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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    As ive previously said turbos generally still produce even when massively screwed, so somthing very obvious will be wrong with it. i'd take the turbo off and check that the shaft turns(inlet hose off first to try to turn it by hand is first easiest step), if it doesnt then maybe part of the washer has jammed the turbo. you'll need to remove the bolts securing the clamps on the turbine housing and remove very carefully. check the turbine for any damage,bent fins from the foreign object.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Take off the exhaust elbow and spin the turbine wheel and make sure the comp wheel is spinning and that the shaft hasn't some how snapped. Comp wheel could be spinning when revved due to the air being sucked in, I guess

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Is the comp housing not bolted to the back plate then the back plate clipped in place? If not don't worry it won't be that then.
    I'm with this suggestion, should there not be 3 funny shaped washer, brackety things on there?

    Also have you checked the pipe going to the standard boost guage for leaks?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Guys thanks for all the ideas but believe me Iv checked everything physical thing four times with r5turborons different hoses and intercooller I took the turbo off completely four times felt the shaf it's fine the rear turbine moves a little but I was told when the oil pressure gets to it it stiffened up so I re connected it and it did. Blunty has agreed for me to send it back to BW turbos for investigation.. I can't tell you how much I checked all hoses with an electric pump and all pipes went up to 40psi with no leaks.. My mrs hasn't spoke to me four a week as Iv been on this car searching.. It must be the turbo because Iv personally checked EVERYWERE lol it's drove me mad till early hrs of the morning all week.. Cheers guys

    No smoke
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    No leaks
    Only about 2psi coming out the turbo it's bonkers as the actuator holds to 35psi

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Cracked exh mani

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    nope had a tata shoved up my pipe no leaks

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    How did you pressurise the system matey? Pump on turbo inlet?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    i did for the actuator but not on the turbo can that be done?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Baked bean can with a tyre valve glued/wedged in there silicone hose it to the turbo inlet. You can block off just before the lobster to check the boost circuit for leaks, or poss block up the down pipe and test everything.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    So there should be a perfect seal back through? You guys know all the tricks something tells me this is a common thing?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    As I say my mate had his foot over the exchaust and sealed it that way and the car stalled out with no air leaks what so ever.. I had done my upmost to seal every part with gaskets and paste didn't think off doing the turbo housings so is the turbo a perfect sealed unit then?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Air may be able to escape in some areas but not a lot, you should still be able to pressurise the system if not you have a big boost leak somewhere.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    I tested all 6mm pipe with electiric pump and a football valve and all went to 40psi so did the actuator so did the fuel reg valve and pipe work and I did all the dash boost hosses they all went to 40psi the carb was fine no leaks the boost hoses and intercooller was all changed with a known working car off r5turborons car so it's none of them.. I really dont want it to be the turbo I hope it comes back good. But Iv sealed Iv checked Iv done everything possible I think :-) not tried pressuring the turbo the bake been can is one I will be trying this weekend at some point.. Crazy idea but if it works

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Put a pic of your bay on. lets see whats going on.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Cant see anything blocking the exhaust elbow that should be there when cup mod is performed. Might just be pic

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    The dude before me had a wheel nut in there so I cut it flat it is there but flushed off.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    I think your problem is you have got aei feed from base of carb and feed from middle of carb to actuator mixed up! Your pics looks like your connecting aei to carb middle outlet and actuator to the outlet at the base of the carb above the breathers.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Cheers bid but Iv tried both ways and makes no difference.. My pal off here has offerd me a recond t2 so I'm going back to reliable.. And get this checked out..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    I did wonder why it is if you take off the pipe from the bottom of the car it runs poorly but if you take the top one off nothing happens? I also thought did I drill to deep when taking the second stage up a notch.. So Sunday I'm changing to a t2 first and see were I am from there.. I have a video of the noise but can't upload it.. As I don't have a pc just an iPhone..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny5 View Post
    I think your problem is you have got aei feed from base of carb and feed from middle of carb to actuator mixed up! .

    yep, that is a one way trip to fails-ville.
    the actuator port needs to goto the carb top. -not under the throttle plate.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Wont doing it the "wrong way" be feeding the aei unit a fuel/air mixture?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Hey guys I only put it that way to try two days ago and Iv left it in the garage since it hasn't been that way.. I was just trying everything.. It's Definatley not that and before I drive it I will change it back..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    is it just me or does it look like the wastegate is open how much preload is on there?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    is it just me or does it look like the wastegate is open how much preload is on there?
    easy way to see. unhook the actuator and use some wire to put tension on the wastegate arm - then take the car for a run - be careful as it comes on boost tho!!!

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    It's well an truly slammed **** mate yesterday Marky mark had me wind it in another cm and it took all my super human strength to get the actuator arm on and still no difference. Well about 1psi it raises to about 3psi on boost then collapses yet the actuator Dosnt start moving until 20psi..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Checked the seal on the compressor housing dv blanking plate?

    Sorry if already said just had a skim read and look at your pics!!

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Yes bud all tight and no difference..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    none of your pics seem to work for me dude?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    I can only do them off my iPhone matey i don't have a pc

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    I can only do them off my iPhone matey i don't have a pc
    When you're posting pics cut and paste the image address into your post then the pics automatically load. I use the Photobucket app for the i phone.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    I wanted to share something on Photobucket with you!
    http://s1170.photobucket.com/albums/...er_media_share
    See the fullsize version at: http://s1170.photobucket.com/albums/...er_media_share


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    they all fail for me dude.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jamie_clioGTT View Post
    they all fail for me dude.

    photobucket links do for me too even when im logged in ??

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    oh bugger it all looks ok to me im whipping the turbo off tomorrow and i will try to pressurise it as described earlier.. going to put a t2 back on now which member r5turbron has kindly sold me im bord of all the hassles iv got a contact now in midland turbo so going to get it checked out when i can afford it. iv realised i need to spend some family time for a while now this 5 has taken over my life and cost me way too much.. im not defeated just going to leave it out for a bit im getting the hints from the mrs its time for number two baby so its time to get in on thanks for all your help guys all of you..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Mate your actuator vacum pipe and the aei line are connected the wrong way around on the carb


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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Already discussed above mate

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny5 View Post
    Already discussed above mate
    to much to go through on phone

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    the last question is why dose nothing happen from the carb top pipe you see in the pick? or dose it just happen when driving? i thought there would be air flow through it or a sucking but nothing happens when the pipe is disconnected from the carb? is that right?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    the turbo will only spin up when top carb elbow is connected the revs make turbo spin.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    the last question is why dose nothing happen from the carb top pipe you see in the pick? or dose it just happen when driving? i thought there would be air flow through it or a sucking but nothing happens when the pipe is disconnected from the carb? is that right?
    It will only suck from below the throttle position and it will only blow up there when on boost. This does not help you.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Walker View Post
    photobucket links do for me too even when im logged in ??

    me too, but..... in the address bar delete everything after 'Walkingboots01', then you can see his whole album.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quick one guys I'm fitting a t2 back on the 5 but the standard oil feed pipe now Dosnt fit is the phase one t2 different to phase two? If so what adapter threads do I need?? Cheers

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    Quick one guys I'm fitting a t2 back on the 5 but the standard oil feed pipe now Dosnt fit is the phase one t2 different to phase two? If so what adapter threads do I need?? Cheers
    Yes. Phase 2 turbos are water cooled but not the phase 1.

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    I have a t2 that's been fully recond it has oil and water feeds just like my old t2 they fit fine but the oil feed threads are different.. Any ideas on the threads? Just so I can go to pirtec and get a fitment for my standard phase 2 oil pipe..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    Anyone I don't even know the size of the standard oil feed threads.. Or should I take it all off again and take it all with me to pirtec..
    7/16 to 24tpi? Or 1/2 to 20?

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    I noticed you said earlier up the thread that you can move the compressor housing on the turbo, this shouldn't move! They have a rubber o ring, its possible that this could have broken...

    Also go over all your main boost pipes, check for splits or of you can change them with known good ones..

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    Re: The 5s down due to knocking help!!

    O n take your air filter off and try that, air filter could well of shat itself inside..

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