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hello
im seriousley interested in buying a phase 1
i have only ever owned phase 2's so if there is a kind person out there who can tell me the drifference between them that would be great all i know is that the turbo is not oil cooled i think.
what interior do they have? have they still got the red carpets.
please help
Ph1 normally have slits in the rear arch's, the interior is not red flecked seats... think ther just black, Gear knob is different, different cooland bottle (Square not round)
Some pics of interior can be found here...
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/album.php?albumid=51
I'm not a Phase one oficionado but I'm pretty sure that Phase 1's have:
Grey Carpets
Grey Seats
Non Water Cooled Turbo
AEI Unit mounted engine side of the bulkhead
No Perc Fan
Different wheels & bodykit with fake grilles on rear arches
Square coolant bottle
Different centre console
That's enough to got you started I guees.
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Originally Posted by Penfold
ta fella do they still have the same performance?
thank you i will have to get some red carpets and phase 2 seats then.
whats performance like?
Standard the ph1 is down 5bhp... but can easily be modded and have same ish power... not 100% sure on ph1 myself, but there are plenty in the club and running decent power... but unsure on the mods.
ta fella wait for a message back think im going to take it.
if you hear of a phase 2 interior please let me know seats and red carpet
...its down on bhp but isnt it like 100kg lighter or something though?
It is lighter, but 100Kg thats a fair weight!
How does it manage to shed that much weight.
Or more to the ponit how does a phase 2 gain it?
Phase 2 has leaky windows, central locking, etc, adds weight, but i dont think it's 100kg heavier than a ph1 is it?
p1 has a different aei unit, renix208 rather than 209, so allthou its 5bhp down the performance is about the same, the ph1 is actually 0.1sec quicker to 60mph than the ph2 is standard form.
They have no rear spoiler as standard, some has only oil cooled and some has oil and water cooled turbos, later Phase I has perc fans, gear knobs are the same. Different heat sheild, different grill, under light trim, rear arches, different front bumper and fogs, wheels, centre console, door cards carpets, pumbing, no head light adjusters on early ones, different feul filter & pump, grey back shelf, decals, Bendix 208 infront of the bulk head, exhaust mounts, front shocks & anti roll bar. Some didn't have electric windows. Different grill badge and a GT turbo badge on the grill. No knock sensor, shorter TDC lead.
I think that is all I can remeber without looking again.
Last edited by phase i 16 v turbo; 05-03-2009 at 12:24.
You sure? My ph1 was number 8 to land on uk shores back in '86(according to my VIN plate). It has had a perc fan from new.
thats cool. love this site for info have to go and see it.
nothing makes you smile like a 5 gt.
can any body reccomend a good sprayer in liverpool or near want it resprayed pearl white
My first C reg one had no electric windows, no perc fan and the wiring hadn't been cut about. Also no sunroof. My current d reg one does have a perc fan and loads of other bits.
this is starting to go the same way as the cup mod thread. can't we just make a definitive list and turn it into an article?
Sounds a plan. How do we know what was or wasn't OE?
what's the cup mod?
there was a list, ive just been looking on the old rtoc site for it but cant find it, ill carry on looking, if not ill knock something up and put it in the articles.
my ph1 had electric windows but went back 2 renault 568miles 2 have a perc fan fitted. The only way we can make a proper list is 2 get hold of sales booklet 4 both the ph1 & 2 and compare them, it seems alot of ph2's had stuff as standard that were options on a ph1
This is what I had heard. There there had been a recall. First time to add the perc fan and then to change a fuse from a 15 amp to a 7.5 amp as the 15 amp fuse took to long to pop, so the wiring would melt before the fuse did its job, but could be wrong.
We've had this so many times before. I thought we'd had it since the new site went live in fact.
Sparkie is right, it's about time this was made into an article.
Ph1 were down 5bhp but were quicker to 60 depending on which old school review you read.
Seats are not just black and the gear knobs are not different
i've just had a look at the old site too, and i can't see it either.
where do you wanna start?
differences....
front bumper.
rear bumper.
rubbing strips.
front arches.
rear arches.
side skirts.
rear underlights.
no rear spolier.
manual wing mirrors.
front grille.
front suspension - dampers and strut tops
fuel pump and fuel filter.
glass is clear originally on ph1, green was option.
window winders originally on ph1, electrics were an option.
centre console different
door cards are not corduroy, they are plastic on ph1.
no glove box light on ph1,
no lights on warning buzzer on ph1,
no boot space light on ph1
no cubby hole cover in boot on ph1.
no rubberised rear arch covering on ph1.
grey parcel shelf on ph1.
black/grey chequered seats on ph1.
grey carpet on ph1.
rear window wipe operation is different on ph1.
intercooler has different plastic end caps on ph1.
accelerator cable is swing arm operated on ph1.
boost referencing circuit is slightly different on ph1 - has a large metal one way valve thing, as opposed to small plastic on on ph2.
metal starter motor heatshield on ph1.
metal turbo heatshield on ph1.
head design is different on ph1.- springs sit on pedestal, ph2 sit in bucket.
no valve guide seals on ph1.
AEI is RE208 on ph1, RE209 on ph2.
AEI is in engine bay and sits over turbo on ph1, - ph2 sits in scuttle tray.
top boost hose on ph1 does not have tube for perc fan oily vapour evacuation on it.
fog lights bigger on ph1.
no towing eye cover on ph1.
alloy wheels are different on ph1.
no upper timing sensor connection on ph1.
turbo oil feed is different on ph1 .- where is connects to turbo.
turbo oil return is narrower on ph1.
sump is different on ph1 - narrower oil return connection.
windscreen washer bottle has depth level sensor on ph1.
coolant expansion bottle is flat on ph1.
coolant system totally different on ph1.
windscreen surround on ph1 different to ph2. (maybe?)
no dim dip resistor on ph1 in scuttle stray.
console above rearview mirror has no apperture for plip remote.
any more?
Awesome Mark
Someone please collate this and put it into an article!
- There is a difference in the way the exhaust mounts on a Ph1, Mark can add detail (as I don't know it).
- Passenger wing mirror was optional on Ph1 (with no interior adjuster).
- Colours available were different on Ph1, 690 silver was different to the ph2 shade, no raider blue, no glacier white,
- some early Ph1 sumps were baffled (has this ever been proven absolutely)?
- early Ph1 stereos were an option (not standard)
- early Ph1 alloy wheels were an option (not standard)
confirmed by Paul B in my many converstations with him
- side decals different on Ph1
- believe rear seat belts may have been optional on early Ph1
[quote=Sparkie;49800]i've just had a look at the old site too, and i can't see it either.
where do you wanna start?
differences....
front bumper.
rear bumper.
rubbing strips.
front arches.
rear arches.
side skirts.
rear underlights.
no rear spolier.
manual wing mirrors.
front grille.
front suspension - dampers and strut tops
fuel pump and fuel filter.
glass is clear originally on ph1, green was option.
window winders originally on ph1, electrics were an option.
centre console different
door cards are not corduroy, they are plastic on ph1.
no glove box light on ph1,
no lights on warning buzzer on ph1,
no boot space light on ph1
no cubby hole cover in boot on ph1.
no rubberised rear arch covering on ph1.
grey parcel shelf on ph1.
black/grey chequered seats on ph1.
grey carpet on ph1.
rear window wipe operation is different on ph1.
intercooler has different plastic end caps on ph1.
accelerator cable is swing arm operated on ph1.
boost referencing circuit is slightly different on ph1 - has a large metal one way valve thing, as opposed to small plastic on on ph2.
metal starter motor heatshield on ph1.
metal turbo heatshield on ph1.
head design is different on ph1.- springs sit on pedestal, ph2 sit in bucket.
no valve guide seals on ph1.
AEI is RE208 on ph1, RE209 on ph2.
AEI is in engine bay and sits over turbo on ph1, - ph2 sits in scuttle tray.
top boost hose on ph1 does not have tube for perc fan oily vapour evacuation on it.
fog lights bigger on ph1.
no towing eye cover on ph1.
alloy wheels are different on ph1.
no upper timing sensor connection on ph1.
turbo oil feed is different on ph1 .- where is connects to turbo.
turbo oil return is narrower on ph1.
sump is different on ph1 - narrower oil return connection.
windscreen washer bottle has depth level sensor on ph1.
coolant expansion bottle is flat on ph1.
coolant system totally different on ph1.
windscreen surround on ph1 different to ph2. (maybe?)
no dim dip resistor on ph1 in scuttle stray.
console above rearview mirror has no apperture for plip remote.
any more?[
think that answers everything. ta fella
would people advise a phase one or phase 2 i have had 3 phase 2's but never a phase 1
id advise buying a phase1, imo they look better than the ph2, but thats just me, im sure many people would disagree
if im honest i do prefer the phase 2 but for the interior and this has phase 2
Depends what your into IMO. In stock form, I think the Ph.1 looks better, however modified, I think Ph.2's look better - Mainly because of the colour coding and splitter on the front bumper.. I suppose you could do that to an O.E Ph.1, but it would be sacrilege IMO.
I bet you're glad you asked Robbie!
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I have just brought a phase 1 which in its life has had losts of phase 2 parts added, in fact im not sure what to call it.......
On my ph1 i didnt want to trip the inners out of the OE bumper to fit my cooler so i bought a new plastic ph2 bumper as i also like the splitter and should blend in nicely.. hope it looks nice once done and not gash.... prob get some some stick for having a ph2 front bumper tho...
Im a fan of phase one alloys must admit,anyone got these alloys on a phase 2 gt turbo
my ph1 1986 did have a red carpet and it has the bleeping noise if you take the keys out with lights on
it had electric windows , green tints and both wing mirrors , only the drivers side had manual adjustment .
So were all these optional upgrades?
Sacrilege
My ph1 had plip remote in the consol above the rear view mirror, must have been an option
All options mate, except possibly the bleep, which I also havemy ph1 1986 did have a red carpet and it has the bleeping noise if you take the keys out with lights on
it had electric windows , green tints and both wing mirrors , only the drivers side had manual adjustment .
So were all these optional upgrades?
Indeed. Don't get me wrong - I'm not gonna go around crying because a car has had a Ph.1 bodykit sprayed - I would just feel pretty guilty doing itSacrilege
Tell me about it, I was so scared wen I had mine done that I'd get kicked off here for defiling a classic
All options mate, except possibly the bleep, which I also have
mine didnt, i had to add it after - just plugged a unit in.
maybe mine was missing.
I think your bottom end was blown as an OE option too Markmine didnt, i had to add it after - just plugged a unit in.
maybe mine was missing.
I bet you're glad you asked Robbie!
omg well this has started a good debate.
I have 1.5 version
I think phase 1s look so much better, I've never wanted a phase 2.
my phase 2 has grey carpets
Grey and black carpets were an option on the ph2
Same. I wouldn't mind a Raider though.
Oh, and my ph1 has the blippy bit by the mirror, leccy widows and locks. Am I special? It did have a perc fan too.
Yours is like mine then, specced up as far it'd go
Yours is like mine then, specced up as far it'd go
Oh, and i noticed on the inlett, there's a sensor I i think is for the perc fan. On mine its the opposite side to my friends ph2.
Mine had those options aswell
Oh, and i noticed on the inlett, there's a sensor I i think is for the perc fan. On mine its the opposite side to my friends ph2.
Yeah boi. Go-Team, could do with a high five smiley hereMine had those options aswell
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