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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Many thanks Steve, £114 delivered for a pair is pretty good. Do they fit ok, have you
    got them on the 5 yet?

    Regards

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Are they solid or hollow?
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Raider View Post
    £114 delivered for a pair is pretty good.
    That's why I've not let them pass. I've not seen new ones available elsewhere either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Raider View Post
    Do they fit ok, have you got them on the 5 yet?
    Well, SKF are a renown bearings manufacturer, so I guess they'll fit. They won't be
    going on to the 5 until I get the sub-frame back. However, Karl will be doing a good
    comparison check well before that...
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt_S View Post
    Are they solid or hollow?
    From the weight of them, I'd say solid.

    As for the differences in diameter, the guys don't see that as a potential problem, many
    other drive-shaft pairs apparently don't match either. Something to do with torque transfer
    ratio differences, whatever they are. Maybe, finer diameter for shorter length, at a guess

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Surprised there is no surcharge on these items, they are still available from SKF.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot View Post
    Surprised there is no surcharge on these items, they are still available from SKF.
    Dale, are these OEM pieces then? Why would there be a surcharge?

    It looks like they were standard across the range and fitted a few
    early Clio and Megane models too.

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Surcharge normally for refurbs. Which is what I thought these were, especially if they're solid.

    No balance weight on the long shaft though?
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Looking at the SKF automotive catalogue, it looks like there are several parts that
    are still available for the R5, just need to find a distributor with stock, I guess...

    Regards,
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Thanks Steve, I need to get a pair ordered and for that money seem a bargain, SKF has a great reputation in the world of bearings espicially in terms of quality. Do the shafts appear the same thickness of the driveshafts on the car? Need to buy some just know that I wont be fitting them straight away being the only issue as struggling to find time at the moment.

    Regards

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Raider View Post
    SKF has a great reputation in the world of bearings espicially in terms of quality.
    Well, they were fitted to 60 tonne rail wagons as well as many locos, and I never
    saw a failure With their reputation, I don't think I'll be too bothered by
    minor differences, as long as they fit. I've no reason to doubt that they will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Raider View Post
    Do the shafts appear the same thickness of the driveshafts on the car?
    I'll be able to answer that better once I've been in to see how Karl has got on with
    taking the engine out. I'm hoping that we'll get the subframe off to the powder-coaters
    very soon.

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    If the bearings are good enough for 60 tonne wagons and loco's then they'll be just fine on a 5. Reminds me of my time working for an industry specific railway publication and attending Railtex in London a couple of years ago! lol. Ok cool, please let me know.

    Regards

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Raider View Post
    Do the shafts appear the same thickness of the driveshafts on the car?
    Answer = more or less, at least at first sight. Karl will be doing some measuring,
    but like you, we trust the brand...

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    Starter Motor Heat Shield

    Hello Folks,

    Can you guys give an indication of what you're using as heat shields for the
    starter motor? Cheers.

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    I am using a genuine Renault heat shield. Are these no longer available?
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by LiamR View Post
    I am using a genuine Renault heat shield. Are these no longer available?
    Apparently not - a part #, but no part...

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    That is annoying. Fabricate something out of stainless that will bolt to existing mounting points maybe?
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by LiamR View Post
    I am using a genuine Renault heat shield. Are these no longer available?
    I pulled my motor two weeks ago. The starter heat shield looked less healthy than some soggy old cardboard outside for 6 months...

    I googled it. Found them on CGB. £35. Bought and paid for. Refunded 3 days later (bank holiday).
    Mike had one at £95.
    Asked Renault. NLA. Not even the Campus one.
    Googled again. Found one. £35. Bought it. Refunded two days later.
    Decided to bite the bullet with Mikes. He doesn't have them either.
    I have a couple more avenues. But not looking good.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt_S View Post
    I have a couple more avenues. But not looking good.
    We have a few metal fabricators in Lowie; seems like there might be a demand
    for more than one. I'll make a few enquiries...

    Is the HP Starter Shield a viable alternative? It seems very expensive...

    Regards,
    Steve
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Hello Folks,

    Making the best of Thursday's sunshine. Man at work: Karl slowly taking
    the engine bay apart...



    ...all of a sudden, there's bags of room under the bonnet...





    There's some rusting around the subframe bolts which Karl has "lubricated"
    ready for Monday.



    The extent to which the starter motor heat shield has deteriorated





    More plastic pieces collected, ready for a good clean...







    This last series of pictures illustrate the turbo heat shield that I'm hoping
    I can renovate. If anyone has ideas on things like heat-resistant adhesives
    and aluminium tape to use, I'm open to ideas.













    Apparently, aluminium tape shrinks a bit when subjected to heat.

    Regards,
    Steve
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Buy a new turbo heat-shield.

    Your starter heatshield look better than mine!
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Lowiepete View Post
    We have a few metal fabricators in Lowie; seems like there might be a demand
    for more than one. I'll make a few enquiries...

    Is the HP Starter Shield a viable alternative? It seems very expensive...

    Regards,
    Steve
    That link may be my best option. I have a brother who can fab but I don't have a good shield for him to copy and I can't get the engine to him for mocking up.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Do you have the part number for the starter heat shield at all?

    I have it, but want to double check!
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt_S View Post
    Buy a new turbo heat-shield.
    Ouch, but done...
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt_S View Post
    Your starter heatshield look better than mine!
    Do you want me to send it to you as a pattern?

    Eventually, I settled on this from eBay. Tomorrow, I'm going to taking the gearbox
    for a beadblast, and I'll probably be taking the exhaust manifold for wrapping too.

    Regards,
    Steve

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    A Bit of Cleaning Later...

    ...After a Meeting with the Magic Sponge

    Hello Folks,

    It took an age for them to arrive from China, but my bag of magic sponges
    have been invaluable when dealing with very dirty plastics from under the
    car's bonnet. We start with air intake duct and a 50/50 of the warning label.
    I had already attempted one clean before I resorted to the sponge. It was
    barely readable before I started.

    Before...


    50/50...



    After...





    The telephone hose.

    Before...


    After...




    Another air guide...






    The radiator trim. This was very grubby and it took two goes before I was
    happy with it.

    Before...








    The slowly disintegrating magic sponge, and a glimpse of what I was fetching
    off the plastics. The best bit about this? No harsh chemicals, just some warm
    water...


    Another cowling piece, this is the underside...


    ...and the top...


    Those coming to my detailing day will be able to pick up a brand new product
    that I'm trialling. Coming from the ADS stable, it currently goes by the
    acronym of H2O-S. With it being a spray-on coating, I thought I'd give the
    very fine spray head a try on the two of these pieces. I'm not going to buff
    this until it has fully dried.

    This is just after spraying...


    ...and this is about 10 to 15 minutes later...


    Overall, not a bad result for about 20 minutes of cleaning, even if I say so
    myself

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Hello Folks,

    The following morning and a quick further buffing, leaves me with this to take
    back to the workshop...








    There's been a bit more painting done in the hidden places on the car. The
    roof has also had its initial blocking completed...



    An empty engine bay...





    Unlike the new driveshafts, both of the originals have the same shaft diameter
    of 35mm...



    Sorry for the camera-shake on this one...



    There's a fair bit of cleaning work to do on the outside of the engine, before
    the head gets removed...





    The gearbox is now loaded for delivery to the bead-blaster...





    The whole of the water-pump housing is also being treated, so all the aluminium,
    apart from the head, will look refurbished...





    More booty! The replacement turbo heat shield and a new oil-feed pipe
    arrived today, along with a starter heat shield...





    One thing that outwardly looks in a bit of a poor way is the fuel pressure regulator.
    Is it worth spending £50+ on a new one at this stage?

    Regards,
    Steve

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Nice work on the Heat Shields and Plastics. Looking really good. As for the FPR, they can fail, but it's not that common. I'd be very tempted. If you have the cash and you want the OE look, it's probably worth it?
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Good work Steve, so take it the driveshafts you bought from Mister Auto are not right? what were the diameters on the new ones you bought? Was just about to buy some...

    Regards

    Karl.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    I've seen multiple stories of failed fpr's here in the Netherlands so wouldn't say it's uncommon
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Hi Karl,
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Raider View Post
    Good work Steve, so take it the driveshafts you bought from Mister Auto are not right? what were the diameters on the new ones you bought? Was just about to buy some...
    Well, the diameters on the new ones are not the same on each side. Apparently, that's
    not uncommon these days, so I won't say the new ones are "wrong" as such. I'll
    still be fitting them. I trust in the SKF name enough to not be too bothered. There
    won't be any centrifugal force upset, indeed, there'll be a bit of a weight saving.

    As for the FPR, well, I chatted to the guy selling them and there might be a problem.
    The fuel line to the carburettor on the R5GTT is 6mm internal diameter, whereas on
    the replacement FPR the connectors are 8mm. He assures me that he's sold many of
    these in the past and not had one returned because it couldn't be fitted.

    I'm a bit concerned about this because I'm obviously relying on Karl to do the fitting
    for me. I'm not keen on straying from keeping things simple. Bearing in mind the quite
    parlous state of the original, I've ordered one in the hope we can resolve this easily.
    If anyone else has encountered this, I'd be pleased to hear of your solution...

    Regards,
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Can I ask why it is it that you're not just fitting a new water pump?

    Great work on the plastics.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt_S View Post
    Can I ask why it is it that you're not just fitting a new water pump?

    Great work on the plastics.
    Cheers Matt, these magic sponges are amazing. I'm giving a couple to everyone
    who attends my detailing day on Saturday. The water pump is new, it was only
    replaced last April - it's the pump backing plate that mostly needs the bead treatment.

    Regards,
    Steve

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Ah I see.

    Yes I did see the thread about the valet day.

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Cheers Karl,
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Raider View Post
    Found oe heatshield Steve
    I see that it's already at silly money This when you think that I can buy one for
    a 1990 Aston Martin for....














    ...wait for it....






    just 18 of our British Pounds

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Tutuur View Post
    I've seen multiple stories of failed fpr's here in the Netherlands so wouldn't say it's uncommon
    I know that Scoff used run two in parallel on his old C1J as he was paranoid that one might fail. Not sure how much the Malpassi ones are, but they're pretty good quality and a credible alternative to OE.
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    A Bit More Progress and Expense :)

    Hello Folks,

    I took my exhaust manifold and downpipe to Fast Eddys in Naaaaarch, for a bit
    of help to stay hot...









    That web in the casting across to the turbo mount proved to be a bit of a problem...



    ...mostly as witnessed here. Trying to trap a piece across without it fraying to pieces
    proved too difficult



    The new FPR has arrived...





    Thankfully, there was just a shrug of acceptance from Karl; I did say he was a man
    of few words

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Without going too far off topic I thought I would upload some photos of an aftermarket starter motor heatshield. If that is of interest I can find the supplier, looks fairly simple to make one up though. Perhaps a group buy could be arranged and we can stock in the club shop?
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Without going too far off topic I thought I would upload some photos of an aftermarket starter motor heatshield. If that is of interest I can find the supplier, looks fairly simple to make one up though. Perhaps a group buy could be arranged and we can stock in the club shop?
    Fitting one of those looks like you mean it!

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Without going too far off topic I thought I would upload some photos of an aftermarket starter motor heatshield. If that is of interest I can find the supplier, looks fairly simple to make one up though. Perhaps a group buy could be arranged and we can stock in the club shop?
    That looks great, be interested to know if that works still with being metal rather than the material the original one is made from.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot View Post
    That looks great, be interested to know if that works still with being metal rather than the material the original one is made from.
    Well, the thickness of the OE one means that there's little or no air gap below,
    or between it and the starter. With the stainless steel one there is sufficient gap
    to allow an air-flow, so it should be just as effective. It certainly won't disintegrate!

    Regards,
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    Feast your eyes, guys, feast your eyes...

    ...upon some serious detailing results

    Hello Folks,

    Remember this..?



    Well, it now looks like this...



    A bit of camera shake here, I'll re-take this in the morning, before I deliver it
    back to Karl...











    Remember the water-pump backing plate? So, from this...



    to this...







    All the cleaning here done by Darren from Suffolk Blast Clean

    Now, I have a dilemma. I bought a brand new Valeo water-pump last year
    for loadsamoney. It's already looking a bit worse for wear, though that isn't
    surprising, bearing in mind just how mucky the cooling system was. I got a
    'phone call from Darren last Saturday, telling me he was fearful of not getting
    glass beads out of the pump bearings and told me I could replace the pump
    for less than he'd charge me for cleaning the Valeo one

    So, do I go with a new 18 quid CGBMotorsport special, or stick to my Valeo
    one, even if it isn't quite as clean? One will obviously stay as a spare.

    Decisions, decisions!

    Regards,
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    That gearbox looks awesome! Easily mistaken for new if you didn't know.

    Car coming long nicely, keep the pictures coming.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot View Post
    That looks great, be interested to know if that works still with being metal rather than the material the original one is made from.
    https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...-text=&act=url

    Found the supplier for the starter heatshield, listed at €45. A bargain considering the genuine one went for £120.99 on eBay last night!
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...-text=&act=url

    Found the supplier for the starter heatshield, listed at €45. A bargain considering the genuine one went for £120.99 on eBay last night!
    Would members be interested in these if we could obtain for the club shop?

    (doesn't help you Steve, sorry!
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    That gear box is immaculate! Good find on the cleaning firm Steve. Seem to do a brilliant job.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Cole View Post
    Would members be interested in these if we could obtain for the club shop?

    (doesn't help you Steve, sorry!
    Yes, but it is time dependent. Can we obtain them before May 15th?
    Can they be retro-fitted, or is it only when the engine comes out?

    As for someone paying £127 for one from CGB last night, what were they
    thinking? (Don't forget the postage) Their normal price was £95 and that
    was already way too much, despite including the postage!

    I have very mixed feelings about next Sunday's "For the Love of Cars". Whilst it will
    no doubt push up the price of R5GTTs complete (at least OE ones) it'll also embolden
    parts suppliers to ask for even greater sums, even for worn tat! It looks like our
    hobby is turning from happy boosting into a cheque-book sport

    Regards,
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Thanks for the kind comments about the gearbox guys. The next stage is to mask-off
    the steel end-cap and repaint it. Then the whole lot will get a blow over with a
    satin laquer that should slow down any discolouration. Once re-installed, there _will_
    be an undertray fitted, even if we have to fabricate one.



    Another small haul of goodies arrives...



    Now back to the water-pump dilemma. This is theValeo one that was fitted new this
    time last year...



    I couldn't get it blasted because of fears around the beads getting into the bearings
    So, for the same price as a blasting, here comes a potential replacement. No apparent
    outward difference, apart from being clean...



    It's when you turn them over that the real source of the dilemma reveals itself...



    The impeller on the Valeo pump looks like it'll pump twice as much water as the other
    one. Could that be why the water was staying too cool when I was running the car?

    Regards,
    Steve

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    The thermostat controls the water temp, the water pump has not effect on this apart from speed of water running around the hoses.
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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot View Post
    The thermostat controls the water temp, the water pump has not effect on this apart from speed of water running around the hoses.
    I'm not unaware of that, but could it be being pumped around too fast?

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    Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998

    Hello Folks,

    Another parcel arrived today. With my new speakers going in, I thought I'd go
    for some more modern equipment to drive them. Nothing over the top mind,
    but at least a bit easier to use than a tape-deck. Quite apart from all that,
    the original radio has a loose button, so I'm looking to "retire" it before it drops
    out and gets lost. The set will still be kept!

    So, for me with my gammy hands, an early CD player gives me more playing
    options. Then came the fun of finding one. Oh my goodness, the range of
    styles is phenomenal, but I hope I've made the right choice. Here it is...







    Regards,
    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...-text=&act=url

    Found the supplier for the starter heatshield, listed at €45. A bargain considering the genuine one went for £120.99 on eBay last night!
    Did any read the translated description? Awesome!
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