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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by andybond View Post
    I also dont see what they will gain about finding out who did it ?
    That's been covered at least twice Andy. Or did you mean you don't agree with what was said in regards to it?

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    FFS, The committee probably knows who it was, Mart says he doesn't know and Steve says he will never say. If this remains the same and I can't see it changing, then we are simply not going to move forward.

    Time to put this one to bed, prolonging it any further will only achieve more strife.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Okay,

    It was me.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Hold on Spartacus

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevhib View Post
    That's been covered at least twice Andy. Or did you mean you don't agree with what was said in regards to it?
    I was quite possibly me that mentioned it twice Trev. Difference being as we are going round in circles , I thought I would continue ..

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    No, I meant the CM have responded on that score. They have outlined why they feel they need to know.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoolio View Post
    FFS, The committee probably knows who it was
    We don't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hoolio View Post
    If this remains the same and I can't see it changing, then we are simply not going to move forward.
    It won't drag on past the 8th of Feb

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Your holding both to account though one said he doesn't know?

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    It won't drag on past the 8th of Feb

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    It won't drag on past the 8th of Feb
    As per that thread, I've given an explanation, repeatedly, so why am I still on R.A?

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Mart is one of the most helpfull and knowledgeable people in the club.Time to end the madness.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    As per that thread, I've given an explanation, repeatedly, so why am I still on R.A?
    Maybe they don't believe you?

    You've never given an explanation as to why you removed the Sangliers thread? Care to explain?

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    The CM's know the reason why, and it's already been mentioned (by Steve, in Adey's thread I think) for everyone else to see.

    Apart from the event date, there wasn't that much info/details in the deleted thread anyway; it was mainly just chit chat.

    The event has since been cancelled, so it matters ye not now.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Sending post as pm. And just realised I can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by Hoolio; 02-02-2014 at 09:46.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    What a load of bull 2 of the most important long serving members and this happens ,some car club this is ,been a member for 8 years and rtoc is not the same as it was all the those years ago

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    End of the day the club is an organisation like any other that offers a service and has people in charge. Business , car club it doesn't matter. You wouldnt go to work and start sniffing about your bosses file' o' fax deleting his meetings and ripping out information to put in your own file would you? Unless it was for personal gain or intended direct conflict.
    Motives aside, the brains of the operation has been caught , given a chance to hand themselves in and hopefully remain a respected member of the club.

    I've got the 8th of February highlighted in my fike o fax!

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    So you can't delete threads that you yourself create?

    If that's the case, then why have the option of deleting it?

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    So you can't delete threads that you yourself create?
    Someone else with common sense That was my argument - If someone has started a thread on here, it's surely upto them, as the 'author' of that thread, if they inevitably want it deleted or not.

    In this instance, that's exactly what happened.

    I'm not aware of any club/forum 'rules' that say otherwise...

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Cole View Post
    I've got the 8th of February highlighted in my fike o fax!
    Me too. Put it this way, if I end up getting banned over all this, then that 6 months ban might as well become a lifetime ban, as you won't see me back on here/at any future rtoc events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Me too. Put it this way, if I end up getting banned over all this, then that 6 months ban might as well become a lifetime ban, as you won't see me back on here/at any future rtoc events.
    x2

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    So you can't delete threads that you yourself create?

    If that's the cascommittee scratchve the option of deleting it?
    I was refering mainly to the attempt of pilfering of club articles and the unauthorised access of the comitee boards. The main issue with the deleted thread imo is that it was a thread put up for rtoc members to input to and to follow with progress. Im not sure the reasons why Mart removed it but as you say its an option available for people to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    So you can't delete threads that you yourself create?
    It wasn't just a thread. It was an event. The sites capabilities for handing events is by using an event board.
    Mart deleted an event in order for Rtof to have the exclusivity to discussing us lot going to Sangliers.

    I'm not saying Mart should be banned over it (and any threat of banning hasn't been in relation to this thread/event) , but come on... it's not just a case of deleting a thread.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Gordon, to mention it again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    If someone has started a thread on here, it's surely upto them, as the 'author' of that thread, if they inevitably want it deleted or not.

    In this instance, that's exactly what happened.

    I'm not aware of any club/forum 'rules' that say otherwise...

    Matt, just to clarify, neither Steve or I pilfered any articles (or attempted to), and neither of us had direct access to the CM boards.

    This was mentioned & confirmed a while back.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Gordon, to mention it again...




    Matt, just to clarify, neither Steve or I pilfered any articles (or attempted to), and neither of us had direct access to the CM boards.

    This was mentioned & confirmed a while back.
    Mart, just out of interest, the committee thread that you read, what format was it in?

    I guess it was circulated on e-mail, was it .pdf, .jpg etc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guybrush View Post
    It wasn't just a thread. It was an event. The sites capabilities for handing events is by using an event board.
    Mart deleted an event in order for Rtof to have the exclusivity to discussing us lot going to Sangliers.

    I'm not saying Mart should be banned over it (and any threat of banning hasn't been in relation to this thread/event) , but come on... it's not just a case of deleting a thread.
    RTOC and Sangliers event have no official ties- It was organised as a Jolly boys outing. RTOC didn't have anything to do with it in a financial capacity, so Mart can do what he wants with the thread he posted. If it was a RTOC funded day then yes he would be in the wrong. But it wasn't.

    Mart created a thread, then deleted it. He broke no rules. It might have been flippant or petty in some people's eyes, but he broke no rules.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    Mart, just out of interest, the committee thread that you read, what format was it in?

    I guess it was circulated on e-mail, was it .pdf, .jpg etc!
    jpg I guess (or whatever picture format is common with screen-dumps).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    jpg I guess (or whatever picture format is common with screen-dumps).
    Ok, on those screen dumps can you not see who's login was used, top right hand side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    RTOC and Sangliers event have no official ties- It was organised as a Jolly boys outing. RTOC didn't have anything to do with it in a financial capacity, so Mart can do what he wants with the thread he posted. If it was a RTOC funded day then yes he would be in the wrong. But it wasn't.

    Mart created a thread, then deleted it. He broke no rules. It might have been flippant or petty in some people's eyes, but he broke no rules.
    Please you want to differentiate between events based on rtoc putting club money in? An event is an event.

    So as a member with admin rights, I can go and delete peoples accounts. There's no rule explicitly saying I can't - guess its cool then

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Ashy, I've long since deleted the email/pictures, so have no copies of them now. I mentioned that a few weeks back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Gordon, to mention it again...

    If someone has started a thread on here, it's surely upto them, as the 'author' of that thread, if they inevitably want it deleted or not.
    I don't agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Ashy, I've long since deleted the email/pictures, so have no copies of them now. I mentioned that a few weeks back.
    Are you able to help locate the email/pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Ashy, I've long since deleted the email/pictures, so have no copies of them now. I mentioned that a few weeks back.
    That's a shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post

    Mart created a thread, then deleted it. He broke no rules. It might have been flippant or petty in some people's eyes, but he broke no rules.
    So if you were a member who had a ferry crossing and hotels booked on the back of an event which was organised on the RTOC, regardless of who posted the original thread, you'd think it was OK if that event was then removed from the club and then reposted on a club that you weren't a member of?

    Plus mart didn't create it, Steve did, also It was deleted by a member with admin rights who has been a trusted member and moderator long enough to know not to hard delete threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guybrush View Post
    I don't agree.

    Are you able to help locate the email/pictures?
    Apart from asking Steve, who, as he's already mentioned to you, doesn't want to reveal the source, then no, I have no way of locating the screen-dumps.

    Gord', I don't agree with most things on here, but c'est la vie. We all have our opinions, be it right or wrong. Obviously my definition of what I think is right/wrong is different to yours, hence why I still feel, in the grand scheme of things, this has been blown way out of proportion.

    Ashy, that thread mostly consisted of chit chat, which, again, I've previously mentioned - As I posted above, bar the event date, there wasn't many, if any, other facts/details regarding the weekend.

    The fact that Steve PM'd everyone meant that no-one was gonna be kept in the dark about this event, as I also keep on saying.

    Seriously chaps, please read & digest my posts, as I'm sick & tired keep having to repeat them.

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    This is the post I removed earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    The CM's know the reason why, and it's already been mentioned (by Steve, in Adey's thread I think) for everyone else to see.

    Apart from the event date, there wasn't that much info/details in the deleted thread anyway; it was mainly just chit chat.

    The event has since been cancelled, so it matters ye not now.
    Mart, with the greatest respect as I would like to see you reinstated, that answer does not really cut it. I thought moving all information on the Sangliers event (an event that mostly involved RTOC members) was pretty childish and you must have known that with the atmosphere as highly charged as it was, hard deleting the thread off your own back, was going to wind people up. A simple post closing the thread and letting peeps know where they could find the info may not have been tolerated but would have been seen in a better light. The fact that the event was subsequently cancelled does not alter what went before.
    Like I said no axe to grind here and CM's aside I don't think members think what you did was sinister but are at a loss to understand why.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Julian, to confirm a couple of things...

    It wasn't off my own back per se.

    As the 'author' of a thread, I was (and still am) of the opinion that if said person wants their thread deleted, they're within their member rights to request that/have it carried out.

    As I say, I'm not aware of any club/forum 'rules' that dictate otherwise.

    As an aside, people seem to be forgetting there's 2 sides to this story. Let me assure you that it's certainly not all down to Steve & I for this sh1t storm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post


    As an aside, people seem to be forgetting there's 2 sides to this story. Let me assure you that it's certainly not all down to Steve & I for this sh1t storm...
    I appreciate that and the reason I removed the post earlier was because I didn't want to add more sh*t to the storm but there were ways of gaining the moral high ground and tbh the antics of most involved have left none covered in glory. I was just trying to explain the way some may see your part in this.

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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    Julian, if you had seen the screen-dumps in question, your perception regarding all this may be somewhat different.

    As I say, there's 2 sides to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Julian, to confirm a couple of things...

    It wasn't off my own back per se.

    As the 'author' of a thread, I was (ancommittee am) of the opinion that if said person wants their ththed deleted, they're within their member rights to request that/have it carried out.

    As I say, I'm not aware of any club/forum 'rules' that dictate otherwise.

    As an aside, people seem to be forgetting there's 2 sides to this story. Let me assure you that it's certainly not all down to Steve & I for this sh1t storm...
    Mart so are you suggesting that steve was the author of the thread and he asked you to hard delete it? Also is it not known that as a commitee member you do not hard delete events/threads but move them to a specific area fir review? Fsir enough if steve wanted it deleting but again the question is still 'why was there a need to remove it and for what benefit'? Surely you can see members would question this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Julian, if you had seen the screen-dumps in question, your perception regarding all this may be somewhat different.

    As I say, there's 2 sides to this.
    Believe me mart we have also seen a lot of things that have been written about us, so please don't make out you are hard done buy in that respect. But I have no issue with putting all the name calling behind us. Now taking a thread hard deleting it and putting it on another site do you think that's ok ? Now if you dealt with it how you normally did you would of moved to the bad threads section. But you didn't and that's the facts of the matter. So then a message goes on saying if you want to see updates on the sangliers thread then they will be on RTOF. So can you not see how that could of been seen as trying to pull RTOC members away and it's generally a poor way of dealing with things. And as a moderator you knew it was the wrong way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    So if you were a member who had a ferry crossing and hotels booked on the back of an event which was organised on the RTOC, regardless of who posted the original thread, you'd think it was OK if that event was then removed from the club and then reposted on a club that you weren't a member of?

    Plus mart didn't create it, Steve did, also It was deleted by a member with admin rights who has been a trusted member and moderator long enough to know not to hard delete threads.
    I think you mis interpret what I'm saying. I don't agree that it was the right thing, but he broke no rules- so cannot be punished for it. Morally I don't agree with what he did.

    Why did Mart have CM privileges if he wasn't on the committee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Cole View Post
    Also is it not known that as a commitee member you do not hard delete events/threads but move them to a specific area fir review?
    If they need reviewing. In this instance, it didn't.

    Back in the day, Ian/Rach/Bruce left the board moderation to those doing it & what they thought best. I've been moderating for many years (and on the old gtturbo website too), and no-one's ever questioned my decisions before.

    Yet, a sh1t storm brews over some emailed screen-shots/comments made by a few CM's, the Committee then point the finger at me for deleting a thread (which, hands up, I did), and here we are. Some may argue that that was to deflect some of the sh1t...


    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Cole View Post
    Fsir enough if steve wanted it deleting but again the question is still 'why was there a need to remove it and for what benefit'? Surely you can see members would question this?
    Not really. If anyone (even you ) had contacted me saying they wanted their thread deleted, for whatever reason, I would have done so(*), assuming there was nothing detrimental to the club, or members that had posted in the thread, etc.

    * Who am I, or anyone else on here, to disagree/argue if an O.P wants their thread deleting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    I think you mis interpret what I'm saying. I don't agree that it was the right thing, but he broke no rules- so cannot be punished for it. Morally I don't agree with what he did.

    Why did Mart have CM privileges if he wasn't on the committee?
    Mart was a moderator on RTOC mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    I think you mis interpret what I'm saying. I don't agree that it was the right thing, but he broke no rules- so cannot be punished for it. Morally I don't agree with what he did.
    But as Gordon says above there's no specific rule saying I can't log in to the admin side of the boards and change your name to something derogatory. Sometimes common sense has to prevail!

    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post

    Why did Mart have CM privileges if he wasn't on the committee?
    He doesn't / didn't, he had moderator privileges which is something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris View Post
    But I have no issue with putting all the name calling behind us
    Neither do I. In fact, I have.

    However, the R.A is still current, so it's a bit hard to 'move on & forget'.

    Btw, with the greatest of respect, please don't tell me how I should or shouldn't have moderated the boards. I was a CM/been moderating the boards long before you were on the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Neither do I. In fact, I have.

    However, the R.A is still current, so it's a bit hard to 'move on & forget'.

    Btw, with the greatest of respect, please don't tell me how I should or shouldn't have moderated the boards. I was a CM/been moderating the boards long before you were on the scene.
    And you still managed to make a mess of it mart even with your experience not a very good come back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    But as Gordon says above there's no specific rule saying I can't log in to the admin side of the boards and change your name to something derogatory. Sometimes common sense has to prevail!.
    Lol. I'm waiting for topcnut to be my new name...

    I agree common sense should have prevailed. The big question is why Mart decided to do what he done.

    Mart can you tell us what the reason behind you doing it?

    Can the committee call a meeting at an event (not Sangliers ) and hopefully sort it out once and for all?

    Things get sorted a lot better face to face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris View Post
    We were sent screen shots off a public page not off someones personal page off a group page. So no adey believe it or not the committee have better things to do than "spying" as you put it.
    Not all of the Committee have better things to do Chris....


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    Re: SO... where are we upto?

    And where was the screen shot took from Steve? Was it the RTOC Facebook page?

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    ok.... So what happends on the 8th???

    what/whic 'pics/screen shots' are we talking about? as you'll be amazed how many have done the rounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris View Post
    And you still managed to make a mess of it mart even with your experience not a very good come back
    Sorry, remind me who you are again?

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