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    My engine rebuild

    Right so I have decided to make a start at rebuilding my other fun engine as if I don't do this now I will never learn my plan is too strip a bottom end I baught off dj and fit it with a Motorsport cam I bought off markymark simply strip the engine replace what's needed then rebuild as usuall.. With the head I got a unskimmed good head off my bud nick so I am also going to have a go at match porting the gasket blah blah I know you've all done this before but I personally have never done this.. So I would like your help from the start.. Lets see if I can do this

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Top darts for having a blast yourself

    my number one tip would be to not cut any corners and do the best job your budget can allow, do it right do it once

    I'm sure with help from rtoc you will be fine

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    from my year long experiance buy everything and buy it in the one go,

    so a rough list would be (my thoughts were its over 20 years old and i'f i'm going that far i may as well do it right)

    oil level switch
    oil pressure switch
    sump gasket
    crank oil seal
    half moon seal
    crank bearings
    big end bearings
    piston rings
    piston liners
    liner seals
    head gasket
    high tensile head bolts
    waterpump gasket
    endplate gasket
    rocker cover gasket
    valve seals (if your putting them in)
    new binx nuts for intake and exhaust manifolds x12
    waterpump
    fan switch
    water temp switch
    a can of liquid gasket
    2 boxes of latex gloves
    loctite
    sandwich bags and a black permenant marker
    some beer

    thats all i can remember off the top of my head oh and somewhere clean and well lit that wont be disturbed if you walk away from it

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    That's quite a list it seems my novice ways have shown already I was going to reuse most of the above... Is all this available from mike?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    That's quite a list it seems my novice ways have shown already I was going to reuse most of the above... Is all this available from mike?
    Alot of the things on the list come in bottom/ top end sets

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    yeah all can be got from him. i listed everything seperate but most of it comes in kits like a head set and bottom end set

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    So what's the difference if I leave the valve seals out? I use mine daily will this not kick oil out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    So what's the difference if I leave the valve seals out? I use mine daily will this not kick oil out?
    A puff of blue smoke on start up.

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider View Post
    A puff of blue smoke on start up.
    So not all the time then as in change of gears? Or on run off? Also has anyone seen mike recently I want to order up a list of parts from him

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    The Haynes is in my hand let the reading begin engine parts list ready from the man mike.. Just need time now..
    Last edited by Nottswoody; 11-01-2013 at 21:34.

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Right so I have read the Haynes and now realised I need more tools and measuring gear were would be best to buy a torque wrench feeler gauges? Might aswell buy some as I'm sure I will be building many more engines after this one

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    Right so I have read the Haynes and now realised I need more tools and measuring gear were would be best to buy a torque wrench feeler gauges? Might aswell buy some as I'm sure I will be building many more engines after this one
    Halfords, euro car parts places like that. Probably cheaper from euros

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    Halfords, euro car parts places like that. Probably cheaper from euros
    £80 from halfords think I will search eBay unless I find anyone selling one?? Anyone hanging up there tools?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    Right so I have read the Haynes and now realised I need more tools and measuring gear were would be best to buy a torque wrench feeler gauges? Might aswell buy some as I'm sure I will be building many more engines after this one
    Get a decent torque wrench and look after it cheap don't pay

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    yerp if your working on cars a decent torque wrench will be very usefull

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Finnally get a day to start stripping the block down and it's frezzing all the mrs said as she was leaving was "NOT AGAIN" ha stuffed £50 in her hand and said go and treat your self she soon perked up.. This could get expensive.

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Guys is there another way of getting the crankshaft pully Hun off? Or do I have to get a puller?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    Guys is there another way of getting the crankshaft pully Hun off? Or do I have to get a puller?
    sometimes using 2 chucky srewdrivers work one each side boss

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    have you soaked it in wd40 or the like? i found with other things freshly boiled water can shock it loose if its being a right aunt

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Right the block is in bits everything's off damage wise it looks like 3shells were badly scored but the crank is fine I guess that's what they are designed todo? Iv changed my mind as it would be rude not to get this chemically dipped. Anyone know we're I can get this done in Nottingham? Also looks like the rings in 2-4 were about shot but apart from that it all looks golden so next step is clean parts buy the bits off mike and get cooking
    So far I'm happy.. If I can take one apart anyone can.. The worrying part is putting it togeather I also noticed the standard cam had chunks out of it and the oil pump and sump had a lot of crap in there over the years..

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Well done woody whhat you guna do bout oil pump get new internals or clean up and messure

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Clean up measure really got to buy some gauges tomorrow to have a look. Or I might just refurb it.. Seen them on eBay £129 not paying that lol I can see this costing me more and more already. I guess once you get started its hard to stop. Also got to get the liners homed or honed isit?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    Clean up measure really got to buy some gauges tomorrow to have a look. Or I might just refurb it.. Seen them on eBay £129 not paying that lol I can see this costing me more and more already. I guess once you get started its hard to stop. Also got to get the liners homed or honed isit?
    its worth checking and renew all while its apart mikes had everything new inc new oil vein for the oil pump no it wasnt a cheap rebuild but will be worth every penny in the long run

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Iv just thought would it matter if I get the liners mixed up from the pistons? I'm reusing both but when I get the liners machined who's to say they won't mix em up?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    has anyone dared put the block in the dishwasher lol she would kill me.. Found a place in nottingahm just up the road that will pressure wash the block is this better than a chemical dipper?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    DIY at your local jet-wash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    DIY at your local jet-wash
    Never thought of that great stuff that's why I never thought of washing it myself top banana

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    http://www.prostrip.co.uk/

    But as Mart says jetwash ,elbow grease and care will be fine .Gunk it first before jetting

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    http://www.lindleysautocentres.co.uk/machineshop there is this one in basford clee I will see what price it is.. But I can see me down at morrisons tomorrow first though.. As I'm like a ducks arse

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Piston/liners won't matter ...if it does then one or the other is fecked .They will only be de-glazed not honed as such .
    I use these guys just down the road for all my machining bits
    http://www.sep-kegworth.co.uk/

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Open to suggestions while the engines apart I'm aiming for the best time at pod I can get

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Guys can anyone tell me some info or results on ep Motorsport cams? I'm finding it hard to find any results out there.. Thanks has anyone used one of these before?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    I think you should ask Glenn how he got on with a run of the mill piper 285.....rather well it seems of course timing is all important, others have had good results with a Kent rt 200 also, I'm not saying the europarts one is pants because it will probably do a great job. Just food for thought

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    Going by Phil's latest post, can I assume the cam Paul has is a Kent RT200?

    If so, use the Cam Wizard to work out what you want, if you can understand it that is! Kent RT200 and the piper 285 seem similar

    https://www.rtoc.org/cam/

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    The turbo your planning on using should also be a consideration when it comes to choosing a camshaft

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTphil View Post
    The turbo your planning on using should also be a consideration when it comes to choosing a camshaft
    T25 tomcat bud for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    T25 tomcat bud for now
    Paul, from what I understand (correct me if I am wrong) but your T25 needs a rebuild right?

    Why dont you hold out for a T28? This will give you more power, if you dont mind the lag! If you want decent times for POD, then T28 is the way to go.

    Get a decent blower and build your engine around this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romil Davda View Post
    Paul, from what I understand (correct me if I am wrong) but your T25 needs a rebuild right?

    Why dont you hold out for a T28? This will give you more power, if you dont mind the lag! If you want decent times for POD, then T28 is the way to go.

    Get a decent blower and build your engine around this.
    more lag = slower pod times romil
    you need a t28 with no lag and thats a custom machined t2 exhaust housing

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo ted View Post
    more lag = slower pod times romil
    you need a t28 with no lag and thats a custom machined t2 exhaust housing
    Yeah, i'd listen to the experts!!!

    I know Pauls next question will be how much? and where can he get this done? LOL

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    So let me get this right iv bought a **** cam and a **** turbo lol great... Wasn't someone selling a t28 for £150?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    So let me get this right iv bought a **** cam and a **** turbo lol great... Wasn't someone selling a t28 for £150?


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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Your turbo and cam are probably well matched, it will go well your not after 11 seconds or anything so what you have should give you 200 big ones if set up correctly with reasonable boost

    teds on about almost a t2/t3 hybrid, it's a good size blower and his c1j went like stink with it as did bluntys, but it ain't cheap.

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    If you ever decide to sell your cam woody let me know please. That would complete my EP engine

    Ross

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Pauls cam isn't an KT200, its an EP cam. I finally found out where they were designed and came from in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Walker View Post
    Or wa it £450 lol I'm sure I saw someone selling something not the vnt one it was something else..

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottswoody View Post
    http://www.lindleysautocentres.co.uk/machineshop there is this one in basford clee I will see what price it is.. But I can see me down at morrisons tomorrow first though.. As I'm like a ducks arse
    Taking my block today to get it washed and have the liners honed £45 not to bad really. Pick it up Friday hopefully order parts up off mike Monday want to start matching my head to gasket and have a go at self porting the head a little ant be that hard? Just keep it smooth and free flowing?

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    Leave the head alone ...there is more to it than that and you are more likely to make it worse
    Have a read here
    https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=13635
    Just match inlet to head

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    So I got my block back today it's cleaned and the liners honed.. Question there is now a lip say 5mm from the top is that ok? I'm guessing the piston top won't clear this? Never seen liners done before.. The guy was a **** really trying to tell me to come back Monday as no one was in the office to take my money but I said I'm taking my block its right there infront of you.. Think he was just cold.. So after a heated argument he said its £20 so I took my block got in the car and left.. Didn't bother telling him they quoted me £45

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    Re: My engine rebuild

    I always find it amusing when i first pop into somewhere like a machine shop and they talk to you like your a bit dim, sometimes when your all clean and look like you have never been under a bonnet in your life they just seem to be a bit off with you.

    I'm a patient bloke and always end up on good terms but i can see why some people would get the hump

    You got a generous 50+% off there, always worth keeping them sweet tho, you never know what else you may need them to do, like the inside of the oil pump casing if it's all scored

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    I know bud I got the feeling he was pissed that te office staff had gone home and he was still there with the doors open fixing other people's cars.. To be honest bud it's a big place.. I'm going back to my old guy three generation engineer.. He actually had time to talk to you granted it was about minis but he did talk lol

    So is the lip on the liners normal? They look fine but there is a lip

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