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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    looks awesome, how long till its a crazy hybrid with obscene figures?

    can u not angle grind the hinges off the old door to give u some more room to swing a hammer if the old door is scrap?

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Dint realise you were only after 250bhp matey stick with the b18ft it'll do you proud

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Dint realise you were only after 250bhp matey stick with the b18ft it'll do you proud
    Couldn't agree more

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Markey Mark (BD) View Post
    Couldn't agree more


    I will give the b18ft a chance but i do keep dreaming about std f4rt running a bit more boost

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Dint realise you were only after 250bhp matey stick with the b18ft it'll do you proud
    this is where the funs starts, james will detune the lump, then swap it for a lesser lump, then swap it back and tune it back up to good power, then swap the lump again before putting the car on its roof..



    id leave it as it is now, looks

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous dave View Post
    this is where the funs starts, james will detune the lump, then swap it for a lesser lump, then swap it back and tune it back up to good power, then swap the lump again before putting the car on its roof..



    id leave it as it is now, looks
    You got that spot on dave.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by shaggy View Post
    You got that spot on dave.
    Cheeky feckers

    The b18ft will be staying put for the time being plenty of more work to do on the 5

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    looking good. nice to see its getting a revival. as it doesnt appear to be mentioned, i was under the assumption that there was an issue with the head causing the coolant system to pressurise?

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haz View Post
    looking good. nice to see its getting a revival. as it doesnt appear to be mentioned, i was under the assumption that there was an issue with the head causing the coolant system to pressurise?
    Cheers just want to get it looking better i believe it has had a couple of engines since the original and the others since all went bang due to know one getting it mapped its still in a base map.
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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    remember that anyone could have plugged into the ecu and altered the map themselves so it may not be the base map anymore. at the very least get the files over to scoff to check.
    regards the vents and coolers i'd be tempted to keep the charge cooler setup, if its still on it. i dont think the side vents will suck up much air without scoops over them, or having to modify the bodywork more to get it in.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haz View Post
    remember that anyone could have plugged into the ecu and altered the map themselves so it may not be the base map anymore. at the very least get the files over to scoff to check.
    regards the vents and coolers i'd be tempted to keep the charge cooler setup, if its still on it. i dont think the side vents will suck up much air without scoops over them, or having to modify the bodywork more to get it in.
    Its not the original chargecoolers it a really small.pathetic thing i will get a pic of it tomoz. Chris has already been really helpful with ecu talk and other advices
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz View Post
    remember that anyone could have plugged into the ecu and altered the map themselves so it may not be the base map anymore. at the very least get the files over to scoff to check.
    regards the vents and coolers i'd be tempted to keep the charge cooler setup, if its still on it. i dont think the side vents will suck up much air without scoops over them, or having to modify the bodywork more to get it in.
    carbon scoops..... clio v6 scoops modded on might be possible?

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    i used a torx bit/socket/wratchet and a jack to jack the wratchet up on to the bottom bolt lifting the car up slightly applying alot of pressure and just undid it.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Will try that but one has been snapped within the bracket

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    drill it out. but support the door.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous dave View Post
    this is where the funs starts, james will detune the lump, then swap it for a lesser lump, then swap it back and tune it back up to good power, then swap the lump again before putting the car on its roof..



    id leave it as it is now, looks
    Can we all chip in for Christmas and get James a set of stabilisers so this poor car dosnt end up where we all know it will.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Anyone got a copy of the performance gti feature for this car? Not got a copy and would be nice read

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by JTEC View Post
    Anyone got a copy of the performance gti feature for this car? Not got a copy and would be nice read
    Don't know what mag I have but your car is featured in it a big write up handful of pics and also a picture of scoff and haz in it mate you can have it to keep I'm sure it is performance gti thinking about it now mate

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by philr5t View Post
    Don't know what mag I have but your car is featured in it a big write up handful of pics and also a picture of scoff and haz in it mate you can have it to keep I'm sure it is performance gti thinking about it now mate

    Phil that would be awesome



    Quote Originally Posted by Scoff View Post
    with my old RWD andy I ended up with 0 deg camber at the front and whatever factory standard GTT front camber is at the rear. I also stiffened the standard anti-roll bar at the rear somewhat. I played about with tracking too. A few degrees toe-in at the rear made it feel a lot more stable. Hopefully your tie rods at the rear will be pretty parrallel with the floor too. I used to suffer with bump steer with the standard rack angles until I sorted that out.

    In the end the car was pretty well balanced, to me anyway. You could throw it into corners and you'd get a hint of understeer before the back started to get loose. It was quite controllable in the dry. Totally different matter in the wet. You will need to be SO carefull it's untrue. I could spin 180° at 30mph on a roundabout in the rain on new yoko A539's I think they were. Take every corner super carfull once its damp. I even lost it in a straight line once. damp road, lit the rear wheels up at 60mph and ended up heading down the carriageway at 45° for a moment. thankfully by that point I was getting used to RWD so it didn't phase me much. I think if I had of done that early on I'd have stacked it
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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by JTEC View Post
    Anyone got a copy of the performance gti feature for this car? Not got a copy and would be nice read
    PM Davel485 - i think he might have one ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by andybond View Post
    PM Davel485 - i think he might have one ..
    Gave it to the new owner with the car when it left me.

    Careful walloping door hinges, if you attack them too hard the hinge WILL bend. Well, more specifically the bit its welded to will and your new door either wont fit or will sit funny.
    If you dont need the door, cut it away from around the hinge and then drill the top off and push it out the bottom.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haz View Post
    remember that anyone could have plugged into the ecu and altered the map themselves so it may not be the base map anymore. at the very least get the files over to scoff to check.
    regards the vents and coolers i'd be tempted to keep the charge cooler setup, if its still on it. i dont think the side vents will suck up much air without scoops over them, or having to modify the bodywork more to get it in.
    It is a base map, or what looks like a base map. I already warned him in a PM anything more than normal driving would be a bad move until its sorted out properly.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by JTEC View Post
    Phil that would be awesome
    whats the fuel cap on the side for then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markey b View Post
    whats the fuel cap on the side for then?
    there was @ 10l metal jerry can the other side all plumbed in, i will be removing the old filler hole at somepoint

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haz View Post
    regards the vents and coolers i'd be tempted to keep the charge cooler setup, if its still on it. i dont think the side vents will suck up much air without scoops over them, or having to modify the bodywork more to get it in.




    if you want more airflow then scoops or bigger inward facing scoops are going to be needed, a decent sized charge core will work well, renault droped the intercooler on the turbo2 production racer and used a chargecooler set up+water injection (450bhp). although they used a 4 port intercooler direct feed to crossflow head on the maxi (350bhp) the rear arches area wider profile than the skeete arches for the gtt by aprox 2" per side, so they did stick out and catch a fair bit of air

    you could go more extreme and duct/vent the roof into a scoop and mount the intercooler up above the engine. a certain little blue imp at mallory ppc in the park, had done this conversion,worked really well according to the cars owner,we did speak for quite a while

    or go down the scoop route like the v6 either way keep your oil cooler pipe work as short as possible if your running a seperate oil cooler, this will also help as the 1.8 engine do get warm in the back

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    chargecooler vs' intercooler.... FIGHT!

    if you mount them at the front i'm sure TNT andy will agree there are gains to be had, however at the rear u need an RS200 style roof mount

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)




    what toe in and negative camber have you got on the rear end

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    Here you go mate this is the mag I have featuring your new 5 blimey don't the boys look young not shaw if scoff has a goaty or if it's dirt on the page






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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Can I be the first to congratulate you at linking feck all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous dave View Post
    Can I be the first to congratulate you at linking feck all..
    managed to do that one alright didnt i dog s**t Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by philr5t View Post


    managed to do that one alright didnt i dog s**t Dave
    Took you a while, most likely writing your post out one handed again..

    My car will most likely get painted time that.....2015 perhaps.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by philr5t View Post


    managed to do that one alright didnt i dog s**t Dave


    Cheers phil will need to borrow it so can have a read

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by HAndy View Post



    what toe in and negative camber have you got on the rear end
    I have no idea i will find out though



    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous dave View Post
    carbon scoops..... clio v6 scoops modded on might be possible?


    Ref side scoops I would do something like that but then it will end up looking like the the attached 5 but I want to keep the car looking as Scoff and Haz done it.
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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    According to Chris it was original camber at the rear and a bit toe in.

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    Yes original 'front' camber I think ? It was a long time ago though. I know I ran the front wheels pretty close to 0 degrees, that helped a lot and actually in the dry you could really chuck it about but in the rain you really need to be carefull james, it'll else 'av ya

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Right as promised a pic of the tiny chargecooler I have I will also say the pre rad isn't much bigger 20 x 20cm max.

    Also re-meshed the rear quarter vent grill's aswell this eve also put and secured both the strut braces in place

    Next job is to finish sorting dash wiring out.

    Awaiting some good weather to remove the driver's door
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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Mesh looks good mate!

    You don't hang about! Good progress on this one

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Bl00dy hell - Was that cooler out of a Kinder egg?

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by The new Bill J View Post
    Bl00dy hell - Was that cooler out of a Kinder egg?

    It is tiny single core custom made pace product looks well made I dont mind using it in conjunction with an intercooler but can't see it doing a good enough job on it's own. Apparently good for 250bhp max
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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Quote Originally Posted by JTEC View Post
    It is tiny and that is my concern i dont mind using it in conjunction with and intercooler. These were used on pug 205 turbo conversions and rover turbos apparently good for 250bhp

    http://www.rovertech.net/forum/membe...5f42ea95e77def

    get yourself one of these
    http://www.chargecooler.co.uk/index....d0bee9d156b1bc

    i went with the 6x8 core, but will depend on how much space you've got between the turbo/throttle.

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    I dunno if your interested but I have a pace chargecooler that is no longer being used, it's the same design as yours but a triple pass so 3 times the size of that.
    I also have 2 pumps, a driver and 2 pace swirl pot fillers that I'm no longer using.
    I can take some pics/measurements tonight if you want?
    It would almost be a direct replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu21t View Post
    I dunno if your interested but I have a pace chargecooler that is no longer being used, it's the same design as yours but a triple pass so 3 times the size of that.
    I also have 2 pumps, a driver and 2 pace swirl pot fillers that I'm no longer using.
    I can take some pics/measurements tonight if you want?
    It would almost be a direct replacement.
    Pm for you

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    you've had as many name changes as engine conversions nearly!!

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    Lol! Back to James5 again

    James had the pace unit before on his Tungy so i guess he knows what it's like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutuur View Post
    Lol! Back to James5 again

    James had the pace unit before on his Tungy so i guess he knows what it's like

    Damm was hoping no one would notice

    yeah I have had a couple of pace one's and yeah the tungy had a 2 core version, i wouldn't use that for anything over 250bhp mind but as I am not expecting over that I will go with that unit again :-) as not many options for rear engine'd car's and lack of funds stops me buying a nice big AVT jobbie. I may use the single core inline aswell so it will be 4 core (might get it alloy welded onto the 3 core to make it huge).
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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Looking good matey. I will pop over later this week for a nosey round.. TBH I stay away as I know I will end up wanting another 5 otherwise

    One question though, is that tank baffled ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5teve L View Post
    Looking good matey. I will pop over later this week for a nosey round.. TBH I stay away as I know I will end up wanting another 5 otherwise

    One question though, is that tank baffled ?
    Your welcome over anytime matey, best coming over when i roll it out the shed otherwise it's stuck in there and it's a bit of a squash LOL I would leave out side as working on it but having no windows at rear doesn't help LOL

    Yeah tank is baffled

    Dave's 5 is still for sale could be a good deal to have matey

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    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    Your welcome over anytime matey, best coming over when i roll it out the shed otherwise it's stuck in there and it's a bit of a squash LOL I would leave out side as working on it but having no windows at rear doesn't help LOL

    Yeah tank is baffled

    Dave's 5 is still for sale could be a good deal to have matey
    I'd love it mate, but not got 2k, I wonder if he takes installments

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    Re: B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

    Come on James this thread has gone a bit quiet there must be more progress pics hiding somewhere mate looking good though

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    Quote Originally Posted by philr5t View Post
    Come on James this thread has gone a bit quiet there must be more progress pics hiding somewhere mate looking good though

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    No doubt get bored and another change soon

    No real progress matey weather been to bad I am just waiting some dry weather and I will roll the car out of the shed and angle grind the door of next

    All i have done is removed the Not normal sticker of the windscreen and the rear decal also, car is now stickerless

    Jobs to do




    Interior List
    • Lower driver side plastic trim,
    • Lower passenger side plastic trim,
    • Grab handles
    • Roof lining to be replaced / redone,
    • GTT roof console,
    Exterior list,

    • Spray Side mirror cover's,
    • Windscreen rubber outer seal,
    • Drivers side bodykit plastic black trim,
    • New rear number plate cover's,
    • Replace driver's door,
    Engine to do list

    • New Chargecooler Pre rad,
    • Chargecooler Coolant pipe's,
    • New Chargecooler (thanks stu21t),
    • New Fuel lines,
    • Mount and secure Alloy Fuel cell,
    • Replace fuel level sender unit and obtain gauge for level,
    • Make up Rad fan relay so fan comes on via rad temp switch,
    • Adjust handbrake so not so many click's,
    • Re-do the under car engine coolant piperun and secure better,
    Last edited by James5; 05-12-2012 at 12:31.

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