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    Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    One of the original Harlow Motorsport cars was dropped off at the workshop today!



    It is Roland Bratts car. Its not the original shell, but very original, 10,000 miles on the clock. Some *******s have stolen a few bits off it, but nothing replaceable. Bent the door back though. It is otherwise VERY straight - not a sign of previous repairs.
    Still owned by Harlow Group.

    Its in for a refurb, not sure on the extent. But it is wanted running and usable.

    I'll get some pictures tomorrow.

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Fantastic Sam!

    Make sure you get some pictures up tomorrow!

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Fish View Post
    One of the original Harlow Motorsport cars was dropped off at the workshop today!



    It is Roland Bratts car. Its not the original shell, but very original, 10,000 miles on the clock. Some *******s have stolen a few bits off it, but nothing replaceable. Bent the door back though. It is otherwise VERY straight - not a sign of previous repairs.
    Still owned by Harlow Group.

    Its in for a refurb, not sure on the extent. But it is wanted running and usable.

    I'll get some pictures tomorrow.

    be good to see this.shame bout the ****s that cudnt keep there hands off the car thefin ba5tards!!!

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Its still covered in finger print dust from the police. I hope they caught them!















    We have 5 complete cup cars here at the moment!

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Nice

    Shame it's not still in it's 'full clothes', as it was in the series. Still, it'll always be a good colour scheme!

    5 Coupe's? Which ones have you got? I'm guessing this one, your one, Eugein's one.....

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    man, i want a coupe badge.... Sam, any knocking around?

    got harlow stickers on my wingmirrors

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonB View Post
    man, i want a coupe badge.... Sam, any knocking around?
    You've got to get a Coupe first

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quote Originally Posted by The new Bill J View Post
    You've got to get a Coupe first
    ...he couldnt resist......

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Im going to suggest we replicate all the stickers. It would look great!


    Mine,
    Eugein's
    Harlow Motorsport
    The mint red one (blew the engine )
    A mint white one (Paul Lomax) - And his old written-off one.

    No lonely coupe badges here, I'm short of one too.

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    That is a Beast...Shame Bout the **** stains who felt it neccessary too hurt her

    Where can i find out more about her spec an history..?

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quote Originally Posted by The new Bill J View Post
    You've got to get a Coupe first

    This ones also been reshelled

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    [quote=Sam Fish;216314]Im going to suggest we replicate all the stickers. It would look great!

    err , hasnt this allready been done............, nice to see more coupe cars on the boards, theyre a real part of the 5`s history to say the least...

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    [QUOTE=jesus in the seat of a 5;216406]
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Fish View Post
    Im going to suggest we replicate all the stickers. It would look great!

    err , hasnt this allready been done............, nice to see more coupe cars on the boards, theyre a real part of the 5`s history to say the least...
    Naaaaaaah matty. Im talking about all the Harlow Motorsport stickers, not just the championship ones.

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus in the seat of a 5 View Post

    Naaaaaaah matty. Im talking about all the Harlow Motorsport stickers, not just the championship ones.
    ahh i see sammy , great idea as my noir coupe was definetely a fish car me thinks..., get on it buddy....

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonB View Post
    This ones also been reshelled
    Not into a raisin though

    Sam, that sounds like quite a collection . Have you any idea of how many coupe's are left?

    Getting the Harlow car back to it's best would be awesome

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quote Originally Posted by The new Bill J View Post
    Not into a raisin though
    A raisin?

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Len Simmons from Harlow group dropped in today to see how the car is going.
    The good news is he wants it looking as it was, and out racing again next year - Not just track days, but racing
    His son Adam Simmons (Raced the GT Turbo's and Clio 16v cup cars, then Porsche Cup and others) is going to be driving it, so it should be fast.
    In standard cup spec with a front running driver these cars where lapping Brands Indy circuit in 56 seconds (on slicks though) - compare that to the timesheets of other championships

    Len said he is also a member on here, so maybe he will add something.

    I'll get some pictures when there is something to show you.

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Great work Sam, will be great to see another 5 back out and racing properly... Never realised that the cups were that quick in original trim... We run 56's round brands Indy in mine and Daves although that's on r888s and a damp track. Id hope on a sunny day low 55s would be very possible and on slicks maybe another second off if not more..

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Fish View Post
    Len Simmons from Harlow group dropped in today to see how the car is going.
    The good news is he wants it looking as it was, and out racing again next year - Not just track days, but racing
    His son Adam Simmons (Raced the GT Turbo's and Clio 16v cup cars, then Porsche Cup and others) is going to be driving it, so it should be fast.
    In standard cup spec with a front running driver these cars where lapping Brands Indy circuit in 56 seconds (on slicks though) - compare that to the timesheets of other championships

    Len said he is also a member on here, so maybe he will add something.

    I'll get some pictures when there is something to show you.

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    I told him about your cars and championship. Hopefully he will join you.
    I have been watching lots of Dave's videos lately, have you got any?
    Your cars must be rapid. Daves seems balistic off the line.

    Yeah, they where surprisingly fast in cup form on slicks. They where getting alot money spent on them though - I heard of a few clutchless gearchanges, and the like. Committed stuff.

    I really need to go through the old video's and get some on-board footage uploaded from VHS.

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Get it into Project 8 racing saloons and join the fun !

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Fish View Post
    I'll get some pictures when there is something to show you.
    Sam, can you grab me a pic of the header tank bracket please mate and/or see how different they are to the normal phase 1 bracket?

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Yeah, I mentioned it to my Dad and he was confused - thinking they are just standard...

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Ah, I'll have to make it fit then.
    Cheers

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    A few of the car finished.... Could do with stickers, but they may have to wait.
    A ph2 bumper was painted (still had the tin in the cupboard!). Look alot better.




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    sam , that looks ace ...soon it will be doing this aye....
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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Sam - looks very nice!

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car


    If I could own any Renault 5 in the world, it would have to be this one, second to owning my Dads of course.

    Here is a picture of my Dads looking exactly the same (after a smash I guess) and taken in the same yard...



    And then one of both of them on track. My Dad likes this one as he is in front of the other team car ...And behind is Jim Edward Jnr who went on to win the 2000 Clio cup in the Mark Fish team.... and behind him is the Radbourne car - probably your exact one Matty



    Silverstone?

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    fantastic sam................ nice pics, amazing mine is as it was raced.....dont forget my friend replicated all the graphics inc the old mark fish logo {inside a fish} if theyre ever needed...., keep us updated buddy...god i love cup cars....

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Fantastic pics, even more fantastic to still have the history in the club

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Awesome pics there Sam . Do you happen to know what happened to your dad's old car?

    There were three of the Radbourne cars painted in that livery. I remember there being a photo of the 3 together on the old site. I think it might have been uploaded by Lomo. The drivers (in 1990 at least) were Rowan Atkinson, and Dave Cox, but I can't remember the 3rd off the top of my head. I'd have to watch the dvd, as I know it's on there.

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Thanks guys.
    Thanks Matty, I'll bear that in mind

    Oh yeah..... there where a few Radbourne ones wherent there....

    How about this for some History:
    ....this is the final results sheet from the race above I believe. I think the Radbourne car behind is Paul Taft (He instructed one of the Mini Race in the team last year!), and Micky Allen behind - not Jim. Jim is in the Black car behind that, with SMC on the front
    Bill, I think you are right, it is 1990, and now 99% sure that is Donnington first coner!

    Results sheet shows a win too!

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    And one of the Truck - it would have been one of the biggest in the paddock back then - how things have changed!



    Harlow Group where sponsoring my dad at the time, while he did his own prep work. Although information was obviously shared both ways.
    In the 90's they became rivals
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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Paul Taft - That's the one

    It's great to see the results sheet Sam. I've got the highlights of that race on dvd, as part of the season review. I haven't watched it for ages - I'll have to dig it out I think

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    Ah cool! We have the VHS's somewhere - hope they haven't decayed! I haven't seen the m since I was 10'ish.

    All change in '91 in the Clio's. Dad now with his own branded team, being chased by Harlow's Steve Waudby (Running UK Sadev now, and pops round sometimes)



    In '92 and '93 Harlow group where investing serious money in the engines to develop every possible advantage - they became the engines to have - Renault noticed the team and let them run the Renault 19 touring cars after

    The presence of 3 children and running other people's cars took its toll and my Dad didn't achieve the same results in the Clio's by '93.

    Here is the pink one after an outing in front of Harlows now-bigger truck:



    That FISHY numberplate is now on my race car

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Oh, and while I am on an upload binge, here is another photo from that Donnington meeting above... the winners parade, along with the Micheline 'Man' or Boy?
    From Autosport, Dated 26.04.1990



    And another showing off the lovely Harlow Group livery, surely the best on a Gt Turbo


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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    Quality pics Sam I believe Dave Cox drove my car "Radbourne 1" As his name is writted in pen behind the bumpers and all the blastic trim !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris M View Post
    Quality pics Sam I believe Dave Cox drove my car "Radbourne 1" As his name is writted in pen behind the bumpers and all the blastic trim !
    gotta love the cup blastic trim.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris M View Post
    Quality pics Sam I believe Dave Cox drove my car "Radbourne 1" As his name is writted in pen behind the bumpers and all the blastic trim !
    That pretty cool to find that! ha.
    I think he was their fastest driver anyway. Won the championship one year didn't he? or was that clio's?

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    Lively livery

    Is that a 1.26 fastest lap around Donington I can see on that print out? Awesome.

    IIRC I saw a spec'd 2006 M3 (that lightweight version) being driven expertly a few years back at a track day there and it was only doing 1.24s!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus in the seat of a 5 View Post
    sam , that looks ace ...soon it will be doing this aye....

    Is that you Jeez? If so mate well proud of you, driving how its supposed to be driven!!!!!

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    This thread is great! I love the history of the cars and teams coming out

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    Quote Originally Posted by g10far View Post
    Is that you Jeez? If so mate well proud of you, driving how its supposed to be driven!!!!!
    its me indeed gee....., car won best in show last national day at mallory...to my surprise...its the best the cars ever driven and "were luvin` it" as we say down this way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus in the seat of a 5 View Post
    its me indeed gee....., car won best in show last national day at mallory...to my surprise...its the best the cars ever driven and "were luvin` it" as we say down this way...
    Good lad, will you be out on track much next year bud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g10far View Post
    Good lad, will you be out on track much next year bud?
    yes my good friend...my present from my wife and child this year cost them nothing.... im allowed as many track days an hillclimbs as i can afford and book..., what a perfect gift....

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    Loving the pics sam, keep them coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus in the seat of a 5 View Post
    im allowed as many track days an hillclimbs as i can afford and book...
    Quoted for future reference

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus in the seat of a 5 View Post
    yes my good friend...my present from my wife and child this year cost them nothing.... im allowed as many track days an hillclimbs as i can afford and book..., what a perfect gift....
    Couldn't ask for more mate! Well hopefully see you at some days next year then!

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    Re: Harlow Motorsport Cup car

    sam ive got some org bonnet stickers you can have

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MASTER View Post
    sam ive got some org bonnet stickers you can have
    Have you? You mean the C.A.T. ones? or number square?
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevhib View Post
    Lively livery

    Is that a 1.26 fastest lap around Donington I can see on that print out? Awesome.

    IIRC I saw a spec'd 2006 M3 (that lightweight version) being driven expertly a few years back at a track day there and it was only doing 1.24s!
    Yeah, that's a 1:26.8. I wish I could be taken for a passenger lap at those speeds in a Gt turbo, I imagine it is 'dramatic'.
    My dad always said that a quickly driven GT Turbo on slicks would usually be the quickest car on a trackday.
    I bet it would be all over that M3 in the corners too!

    Steve Waudby who raced the car Harlow car above said that he much preferred racing the GT turbo to the Clio 16v - even though I think he won the Clio championship..
    He came round to borrow the trailer a few months ago, not realising his old car was here. He walked round the corner and was pretty shocked/happy to see it sat there!

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