Well i've just been to Kenobi's to have a nose at the volvo B18ft setup. Im liking it
Questions.
What sort of power can you espect to get from one of these engines on stock setup?
ie. T2 running at 14/15 psi with a scoff modified efi box and say and front mount intercooler??
Seriously thinking about doing this conversion as its looks like a piece of cake compaired to my last conversion
120bhp stockOriginally Posted by Tarmac trasher - Nick
Well i've just been to Kenobi's to have a nose at the volvo B18ft setup. Im liking it
Questions.
What sort of power can you espect to get from one of these engines on stock setup?
ie. T2 running at 14/15 psi with a scoff modified efi box and say and front mount intercooler??
Seriously thinking about doing this conversion as its looks like a piece of cake compaired to my last conversion
150bhp mbc
170bhp with a richmod
not sure on the scoff mod but i know the little t2s run out of puff pritty quick
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18 psi on a t2 t25, na cam, thats what im going to be running, have been told should be pushing 180bhp
Re: Volvo Engine - What BHP from stock??
i have a 460 turbo auto which i use as my daily runner.
everything is std, id just like to know...
whats the max psi the t2 turbo can take? id like to run 14psi.
at what point would injectors need to be uprated? and what injectors would be suggested to use?
what does scoffs ecu do? does it remove the boost limit or..?
im basically looking for the cheapest way to make it a little quicker.
From what i have read 15 psi is about the max the injectors can do before they are max'ed out. Scoff box so i understand removes the boost limit's
4 psi 120bhp std, 7psi ?? on latest models
8-10psi limit before ecu needs moddin as it starts to retard ignition til it cuts spark, done once and suitable for over 20psi
14-15 limit on std injectors, approx 170bhp
e or ep cam and t25/t28 std 14psi appox 195bhp
above on green 740t injectors on std reg fuel are ok to bout 20 psi, 740t resistor pack also needed or will blow ecu outputs. requires mods to air intake. approx 210bhp
above on red saab injectors on std fuel reg are fine to above 25psi (my engine dets then, some have at 21psi so always best to check) above 23psi makes no more power due to cam. approx 230bhp
If the 5GTT C1J makes about 230bhp at about 23psi and is a 1.4 litre, then shouldn't the 1.7 litre make about 20% more? = 276bhp.
Plus the 1.7 is injected so doesn't have the 32mm (25mm) restriction in the way.
but it has low comp pistons so dosnt this mean you need to run more boost to get the power? And (im hoping) these engines can run that all day reliably not like (in my experience) the c1j!!!
funk knows ian, just given some figures i'vs seen as a rough guide. the std throttle is 42mm i think, with mine using the 2Ltr 50mm i think. in theory yeah it should, but as far as i'm awar the e and ep cam are equivelant to a 262 cam, nothin near like a 285 used on most high power c1j's. plus the 230bhp estimate was when the std rev limiter was in place operating at 6200. with aftermarket ecu's with a rev limit around 7500 and an improved cam then i'd hope for around that figure. i'd say the budget from scratch is cheaper to do with a volvo conversion, with a more robust engine is a vast improvement
could piper not be interested in making a batch of 285 cams for the rtoc guys who own b18ft engined cars ?
good idea
Thats gunna be a "get ya cash on the table " type of deal.
I'de suggest getting your names down if you would be interested in that cam.
1.Kenobi.
Obtainable power has nothing much to do with CC's Ian, its about what you can squeeze through the cylinder head. The cam in the volvo is god awfull at making HP, the E type cam is a little better but not a lot. Torque at low rpm's is much better than the 1.4 though. The head itself atleast looks OK to me but I don't know of any flow testing that has taken place to back that up. Markey mark has had a custom cam made to a profile that I drempt up once, or maybe he's varied it slightly but it'll be interesting to see how his works over standard.
We are all waiting to see what can actualy be acheived from these engines via markey Mark. Come on mark, we've been waitng ages for you!
i acheived 233.3 bhp from mine
17~18 psi was fluctuating a bit
saab reds
e or ep cam i cnt remember tbh
dta management
rev limit of 6500
ubber sized front mount charge temps at 22 degres
i still think theres more to be had from it, new engine going together soon with forge pistons an 1mm over bore.
head will be opened up a tad but to know where near what marks had done
Scoff - With the head work i've had done i'm going to get it flow tested to see what its like, i also have a standard one here too so can do a comparison of the 2 and see if the work was worth it.
The cam is as you dreamt up mate although i'm having it measured to make sure its been machined to the spec, i'll give it ago with that one for the meantime but then can always have anew one machined if feel the need to improve on it.
Trix - Yes yes, i know!It may be slow progress but its being done, you lot are eager to see it go think how i feel!
At the mo they dont make one but i had my stock cam re-proflied to the 285 and cost me £140+vat
Would the profile of the 285 for the C1J work well with the B18FT? Being a different engine it may not perform exactly the same, be interesting to find out though.
Mine was about the same price to have it reground but obviously a one-off spec.
one-off spec but im sure they would keep a record of the profile to use if needed again
Don't think they did mate, its a spec Scoff come up with not them.
What turbo are you using Dave?
a t28 mate
im not a turbo man but the numbers say
comp housing a/r 60
exh housing .69
duno what any of that means tho
What's peoples opinions on the Volvo engine compared to the c1j?
Don't c1js usually do a better 1/4 mile?
Cool, just wondered what spec items you were running to get that figure. Might have to pop down to have a look at the Volvo setupa t28 mate
im not a turbo man but the numbers say
comp housing a/r 60
exh housing .69
duno what any of that means tho
help yr self mate every 1s welcome to my wrk shop lol
At the moment the C1J's are performing better but only due to the fact the volvo lump hasn't been developed much i:e not had huge time and money spent on it to squeeze power out of it.
Next year all will change though (i hope!)
im agreeing markAt the moment the C1J's are performing better but only due to the fact the volvo lump hasn't been developed much i:e not had huge time and money spent on it to squeeze power out of it.
Next year all will change though (i hope!)
chop chopAt the moment the C1J's are performing better but only due to the fact the volvo lump hasn't been developed much i:e not had huge time and money spent on it to squeeze power out of it.
Next year all will change though (i hope!)
same here guys, if it ever starts up
Nice one mate, I just assumed the Volvo engine would already perform better but like you say things may change!At the moment the C1J's are performing better but only due to the fact the volvo lump hasn't been developed much i:e not had huge time and money spent on it to squeeze power out of it.
Next year all will change though (i hope!)
hi in holland runs a volvo 480 turbo with 325 HP and 435 NM @ 1.8 bar
runs with bigmod ecu , 465 cc injectors, 17 degree ca, bleu printed
will translate the whole text from dutch to english
Engine:
origineel 95 1.8t blok 1100km!!
gebalanceerd vliegwiel/ krukas
gewogen drijfstangen
gewogen zuigers
geharde zuigerkoppen (alucarbonatie +/- 45 hrc meer)
scherper nokkenas 17graden
aangepaste koppakking en kopbouten
aangepaste distributieriem met spanner en omlooprol
geflowde kop
geflowd inlaatspruitstuk
aangepaste gasklep
aangepast uitlaatspruitstuk / geflowd / passend gemakt voor garrett T3 turbo
aangepaste garrett T3 / 7graden compressor wiel / gebalanceerd turbine wiel
interne waste gate geflowd
red-top injectoren 465cc
aangepast inlaat traject 2,5" elbows
Richard Pruen BIG mod ecu modificatie / instelbaar 1,2 - 1,8 bar on the fly
aangepaste luchtmassameter
aangepaste exteren druksensor (3bar map sensor)
originele groep A versnellingsbak (geen type nr / gemaakt 1900?!)
aangepaste drukgroep / 3 pads koppelingsplaat
3 extra motordempers
aangepaste versnellingsbaksteun (oude stijl massief rubberblok)
aangepaste stabilisatie stangen voor en achter
so there is enough power if you tweak a bit here and there
any updates on this peeps?
Hello, ive got a b18ft in my 5 gtx and is fairly stock.
List of mods.
- Scoff mod
- Standard injectors
- 13 psi (standard T2)
- GTX camshaft
- BMC inline filter with ram pipe
- Big FMIC
- 2.5 intercooler pipes
- manual boost controller
- 2" straight through pipe
- ap paddle clutch
Basically just add ons, but had to mess around with fueling to get it running right. Dont know what kind of power its running but i can say its neck and neck with my mates 210bhp cupra and it out runs my cousins 200bhp G60, this is with wheel spin in 1st 2nd and 3rd in the dry. With 15s and good tyres it should be fun
How do you find the GTX cam in the Volvo engine mate, don't think i've seen anyone use one of those beforeHello, ive got a b18ft in my 5 gtx and is fairly stock.
List of mods.
- Scoff mod
- Standard injectors
- 13 psi (standard T2)
- GTX camshaft
- BMC inline filter with ram pipe
- Big FMIC
- 2.5 intercooler pipes
- manual boost controller
- 2" straight through pipe
- ap paddle clutch
Basically just add ons, but had to mess around with fueling to get it running right. Dont know what kind of power its running but i can say its neck and neck with my mates 210bhp cupra and it out runs my cousins 200bhp G60, this is with wheel spin in 1st 2nd and 3rd in the dry. With 15s and good tyres it should be fun
Its made a huge difference compared to the standard b18ft cam. T2 use to die out quite quick through the rev range before, but now with the gtx cam it pulls hard right to the rev limit, i feels likes its got a bigger turbo. I have no clue on how it compares to the b18e and b18ep cam, but its the best mod ive done so far, plus it didnt cost me nothing so its all good
Ever since i put the cam in the gtx dont stop wheel spinning, thats its only flaw
Thats interesting to know, be good to compare the GTX cam with the other Volvo cams commonly used.Its made a huge difference compared to the standard b18ft cam. T2 use to die out quite quick through the rev range before, but now with the gtx cam it pulls hard right to the rev limit, i feels likes its got a bigger turbo. I have no clue on how it compares to the b18e and b18ep cam, but its the best mod ive done so far, plus it didnt cost me nothing so its all good
Ever since i put the cam in the gtx dont stop wheel spinning, thats its only flaw
you still thinking of seeing what those prima turbo conversions can do markey?
If one come up i may have a play with it but to be honest in no rush to get one, i'm more interested in the Volvo lump as a whole at the moment i got a spare engine which i may put in the campus over winteryou still thinking of seeing what those prima turbo conversions can do markey?
is the volvo engine used a turbo'd version of the renault 8v engine found in mk1 lagunas and things??
think they only came with 1.6 1.8 2l etc... but no 1.7 didnt they?
iv been looking at one or two of the volvo lumps and it seems to be the same as the old renault 1.8 engine??
not sure about the internals tho
i no some of the old volvo's used to use that engine but wondered if the volvo turbo bits would fit the renault engines
A friend of mine is building a stroked one of these engines to make it 2 liter. Should be quite interesting once built and mapped.
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Hello Guys
I have one question a few months ago i start my project. R5 gtt with b18ft engine. This what i want to buy for my car is: Garrett t3 or turbo from Mitsubishi evo 4 or evo 6 also 440cc injectors, different camshaft from r19 the 107bhp version, mega squirt v2.2. And the boost to be arround 17psi or 20psi. And maybe custom header exhaust. Do you know how much power i will have?
Thanks a lot
Cheers
im guessing around 200bhp+ compared to the specs of other b18ft r5s on here, dont think anyone has used a t3 on here.
I'll let you know how my one run's hopefully in the next week or so think mine uses a prima spec cam (so thats probly a gtx cam)you still thinking of seeing what those prima turbo conversions can do markey?
i dont mind taking anyone for a spin to see what it feels like at one of the meets or something, that might be early next year though.
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Thank you guys. Okey with this spec on what pressure i can reach arround 250 bhp? Or give me advise what parts to put to reach arround 250 bhp?
Thank you
mine will be going on the rollers early next year, im guessing 180bhp, would love close to 200bhp but turbo will not blow that hard
T2 soon to be running 16psi
Rebuilt bottom end
flywheel lightened and balanced
piper 279 camshaft with reground valves and valve seals
t5 orange injectors
ported and polished head
ported inlet manifold
ported exhaust manifold
Large front mount intercooler 2.5inch pipe work
b18ep throttle body
mocal oil cooler
scorpion exhaust
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