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    Re: Project 172

    Oh and just thought, can you do a guide andy on the procedure to do the belt etc. I bet a few peeps would be interested.

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning View Post
    Oh and just thought, can you do a guide andy on the procedure to do the belt etc. I bet a few peeps would be interested.
    its in the workshop manual marrow... HERE

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    Re: Project 172

    nice one ashy, thatll come in handy

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    its in the workshop manual marrow... HERE
    Ah ok thanks chief!

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning View Post
    iv'e just done the crank seal on the 225. I had to drive the seal in a couple of mm further to miss the deep scoring from the original seal. Seems to be ok.
    you can do the same thing on the c1j

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    Re: Project 172

    reached a bit of a milestone tonight, I assembled the first parts

    Ok, it wasn't much, just fitted the crank seal and refitted the flywheel, clutch and gearbox.

    Ordered some more parts today:

    Wishbones with bushes and bottom ball joints
    trackrods with trackrod ends
    water pump

    none of the bits had failed, but were feeling tired. I bought all OEM stuff rather than noname ebay stuff, cost a bit more, but I want it to last.

    I hope noone expects to see bling under my bonnet

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    Re: Project 172

    Mr Cooke, if you're about one evenin' I may come and have a gange

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    Mr Cooke, if you're about one evenin' I may come and have a gange
    give it a couple of weeks, it's a bit like an explosion in a parts factory at the moment, hopefully it'll look more like a car by then

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    Re: Project 172

    Cool beans, plus it'd give me a chance to pick your brain on a couple of things

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    chance to pick your brain on a couple of things
    the truth always outs eventually

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    Re: Project 172

    oh i plan to take advantage of my time

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    Re: Project 172

    a wee bit of fettling tonight;

    the fuel tank now has a 172 pump in it, a bit of a fiddle, but it'll be OK....

    I made a gizmo for locking the cam pullies in place, worked very well for undoing the nuts. It's too dark out for setting the cam timing, but it should be a doddle now I'll try and take some pics of it in the daylight.

    If DHL is to be believed I'll be getting the wishbones, trackrods, water pump etc delivered tomorrow. It's a pity the weather is looking dodgy for the weekend.

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    Re: Project 172

    I've got 172 Cam Locking tools?

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider View Post
    I've got 172 Cam Locking tools?
    so have I now

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    Re: Project 172

    Less tlaking more building please

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    Re: Project 172

    the cam timing decided to bite me in the bum, the wee allen key thing on the tensioner decided to snap off as I was finishing the job off - time for a deep breath and a coffee..

    The mounts are now fully welded

    I stripped the wishbones off the subframe, they came apart very easily, and as a bonus I can't believe how light the twingo subframe is, I can easily lift it up and over my head with one arm

    I pulled the water pump, I'm glad I ordered a new one as it looks to have been weeping from the lower drain hole. As an aside there seems to be a difference of opinion on whether you should swap the water pump when swapping the cam belt. I think I probably would in future.

    Just need to work out how to get the trackrods off the rack (see https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=8966 )

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    Re: Project 172

    Just remembered that I was going to upload a picture of my home made pulley locking gizmo
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    Re: Project 172

    cripes, not long until national day, I need to get my finger out

    tonight's jobs:

    -refit subframe
    -try and remove trackrods - got bored, gave up
    -set cam timing, fitted covers and bungs
    -fitted new water pump
    -filled front engine mounts with 'tiger seal' to stiffen them up somewhat
    -swapped the top mounts on the coilovers to the Twingo ones - the 172 ones looked similar, but weren't the same
    -had a quick look at the alternator mount, I'm going to make the tensioning stick out of some of the bits I bought to make traction bars out of.
    -got dumped

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    cripes, not long until national day, I need to get my finger out

    -got dumped
    ive got a big tent

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    got dumped
    Sh1tter. Sorry to hear mate

    On the bright side, at least you can now concentrate on getting your motor sorted in time for ND

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    On the bright side, at least you can now concentrate on getting your motor sorted in time for ND
    exactly, the big push is on and I'm looking into guilt free quality shed time

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Sh1tter. Sorry to hear mate

    On the bright side, at least you can now concentrate on getting your motor sorted in time for ND

    Sorry to hear that matey, but as Mart says there is a bright side plenty of more time now to plough into the Twingo. Looking forward to seeing this @ Nat Day matey burning up Mallory Park.

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    Re: Project 172

    Tonights jobs:

    - swapped the trackrods, what an epic, my grips weren't really man enough, so I ended up welding lumps on to give them something to bite into. Done now, but next time I'd remove the rack and get it in a big vice.

    - answered the phone, big mistake, ended up sitting through a post mortem....

    - cracked on with the alternator tensioner. I refitted the loom, engine mount, and alternator to check what goes where. A bit of welding, sawing, drilling and tapping saw the tensioner roughed out. It needs a bit of detailing, but it looks like it'll work well. Finding a L/H 3/8 UNF tap was fun

    tomorrow night depends upon the weather, but hopefully I'll finish the alternator tensioner and paint some stuff.

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    Re: Project 172

    We need photos!!

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning View Post
    We need photos!!
    lol, not much to take pictures of, but I'll take a couple when I get chance.

    Just ordered a pair or Brembo HC disks and DS2500 pads, I wasn't going to bother, but I'd be a bit peeved when the brakes faded after 3 laps of Mallory.

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    Re: Project 172

    Andrew, So looking forward to seeing this going around Mallory, wonder what it will handle like.

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    Re: Project 172

    just on the phone to the insurance co, currently on hold...

    "so, this engine change, roughly how many percent more power than the standard one does it make, 5%, 10%, 15%?"

    "about 300%"

    "I'll go and speak to our underwriter..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    just on the phone to the insurance co, currently on hold...

    "so, this engine change, roughly how many percent more power than the standard one does it make, 5%, 10%, 15%?"

    "about 300%"

    "I'll go and speak to our underwriter..."


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    Re: Project 172

    hmmm, they don't sound interested in insuring it. Oh well, back to Flux, any other suggestions?

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    Re: Project 172

    http://www.graham-sykes.co.uk/

    Try them if you dont have much luck with others, they didn't have any problems with insuring me with all vehicle changes when Flux wouldn't insure me when I got my car at first.

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    Re: Project 172

    who did you ring And ?

    liverpool victoria ?

    hic ?

    i wouldnt know as i dont use either of them at the mo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    who did you ring And ?

    liverpool victoria ?

    hic ?

    i wouldnt know as i dont use either of them at the mo
    that was tesco, just on the phone to flux...

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    hmmm, they don't sound interested in insuring it. Oh well, back to Flux, any other suggestions?
    300%

    Performance Direct insured my 5 with the F4r lump with an agreed valuation. It was cheaper to Insurer than my orginal C1J with all the mods on that delcared.

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    Re: Project 172

    the best way is ring about i suppose

    how far along are you with the car, she running ?

    and what day you coming up ?

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    Re: Project 172

    OK, flux want £658 TPFT since I've only got 12 months no claims on the second car. Think I'll try performance direct, and see what happens

    I hate ringing around insurance companies - last claim 1985 I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    the best way is ring about i suppose

    how far along are you with the car, she running ?

    and what day you coming up ?
    I wasting build time on the phone, it's looking tight to get it finished, engine still on the floor... I plan to drive up on Friday, I think I'll get breakdown cover, never had it before

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    Re: Project 172

    HIC have always been pretty good for me ... also you should get a discount if you mention you're an RTOC member ...

    My insurance is £400 FC, agreed £4K value ... but that is a restricted mileage classic car policy

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    Re: Project 172

    Well, if you can get the car mobile, itll be a good test drive upto Mallory

    If you were going Saturday, I'd meet up with you...with a tow rope and tow bar just in case.

    Join the AA for around 7-8 quid a month for breakdown/recovery.

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    Re: Project 172

    Performance Direct seem the winners to me, they reflect your NC over aswell..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing View Post
    Performance Direct seem the winners to me, they reflect your NC over aswell..
    I've dropped into their pinball machine, I'm current being bounced off cushions and kicked into the thing that goes ding ding ding

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    Re: Project 172

    Leave it to a rainy day Andy, get building, speaking of which i really should get out of bed and hunt around some scrap yards for a z6

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    Re: Project 172

    green light insurance I am with, they beat flux and other companies by 400 on engine conversion car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by r5 rich View Post
    green light insurance I am with, they beat flux and other companies by 400 on engine conversion car!
    Excluded vehicles


    • BMW E36 models - (E30/E46 derivatives are still acceptable)
    • Citroen Saxo models
    • Ford Sierra RS500 model
    • Honda S2000, Integra DC2 & DC5 imports (UK DC2's are acceptable)
    • Lotus Elise/Exige
    • Nissan 200SX/Silvia models (All)
    • Porsche (except Boxster)
    • Renault Clio 172 “Cup” (non-ABS) model - (All other 172 derivatives are acceptable)
    • Skoda Fabia/Octavia models
    • TVR (all models)
    • Vauxhall VX220 Turbo
    • LHD vehicles (except Golf Rallye and Lancia Delta)
    • Vehicles not listed by The Association Of British Insurers (ABI)


    The above have been excluded based upon our historic claims performance with the specific models listed above - Most other Performance model vehicles are currently acceptable. We reserve the right not to offer a quotation. We are unable to offer quotations to existing customers by this method. Greenlight Insurance have been trading within the specialist vehicle Insurance market since our launch in 1996 and our target market has always been that of specialist vehicles for the enthusiast, whether it is a Modified Car, Track Car, Custom, Hot Hatch, Performance Car or Kit Car.


    I guess a LHD car with parts from a non ABS clio 172 would be excluded then...

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    Re: Project 172

    Andy, give Keith Michael Ins' Co. a call, and if possible, speak to a guy called Jeremy (Jez). He used to own a gtt, was a member on here (so mention you're an old timer from rtoc, or something), he gave me a good discount on the Evo's insurance, and might be able to sort something out for you.

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    Re: Project 172

    just for Matt, a picture

    Brembo HC disks and DS2500 pads, heavy stuff
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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    just for Matt, a picture

    Brembo HC disks and DS2500 pads, heavy stuff
    Nice!

    What size are the discs? I could'nt believe the weight difference between standard and 285's!

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning View Post
    Nice!

    What size are the discs? I could'nt believe the weight difference between standard and 285's!
    280mm I think, it's all 172 stuff

    and I'm removing 239x8mm disks, so these are something like 3x the weight (I guess that ties up with having 3x the power )

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    Re: Project 172

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    these are something like 3x the weight
    Get the drill out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymnast View Post
    Get the drill out
    I did think that if I didn't get around to fitting them I could attach them to a length of chain and chuck 'em out the back

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