Renault 21 turbos

[Ashford]

First post!

Hi just joined the site.

Im just after some views on the 21 turbo, i know a fair amount about the 5 gt turbo but is there any 21 turbo owners here? what is the parts avalibility like? and how reliable are they, with any old car i dont expect great reliability, i expedt this along with little commen faults that can easiy be fixed im more intrested in major things that go wrong and are hard to source parts to fix etc, im handy with spanners and know my way around an engine and i always keep ontop of maintaince.

Do they use a carb or injection? are they as easy to tune as the renault 5 gt turbo, ie if you uprated the head gasket bigger ic and turbo can you wind the boost up much on them?

i know im not a full member and this may evern be the wrong section but as im not a renault owner at this time im just looking for some advice and information prior to buying one, i can assure you if and when i do get a reanault turbo i will be subscribing for the full membership.

i hope i dont come across as another anoying noob with questions you have heard 1000 times, but i will really appriciate any replys i may get and look forward to sticking around here.

thanks

ash.

[Matt Cole]

Get joined up matey, if not just for the crack. As for the 21's, they are va bloody good car, very reliable in standard guise and about 170bhp. Normally have full leather. Full injection setup, which can be messed with, although standalone would see you better. The head is restrictive, but with a little work, better turbo and bigger injectors, nearly 300bhp has been advertised as achievable.

[bye_all_c_ya]

hi ya mate and welcome ive got and had lots of 5's then went evo 6 then mazda rx7 and now a 21 turbo and its great fun deffo recommend one but make sure its a good one!

[Mike Wilson@ PCS]

good cars ,, 175 bhp ,, later ones have coil packs and are 12valve ,, cloth seats is std ,, leather was a ad on ,, strong engines ,, parts arnt cheap ,, make sure gearbox is ok ,, not the best handling cars but that can be sorted ,, quadras are fun

[Lewis]

New poster! (less than 10 posts)

Later cars sometimes known as phase 3's, they had twin coilpacks but were still 8 valve. These were also fitted with catalytic converters. and ran a slightly higher compression ratio.

Black leather was standard but a no cost option was the grey velour seats.

[Mike Wilson@ PCS]

feck some one has stuck 4 more valves in my quadra

[clee]

Good clean straightline fun .Comfortable and with more than enough power .Mines a phase3 with a few mods that should see it around 250 ......Not the best std handling is an understatement though ,they understeer like hell .
We use it as a school run type daily driver ,always starts, apart from the usual problems with the French battery drain option .Gets a good blast down the motorways every now and then and it seems perfectly happy .
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[Mike Wilson@ PCS]

hi clee i all my manifolds have cracks sorry

[clee]

No worries Mike .I'll chase one up on the 21toc site now I can get on it .Still got to prise it away from the missus for a couple days to sort it so no great rush .

[Mike Wilson@ PCS]

i cant get into the bloody 21toc ,,, you couldnt get a email address for me to email them as i have lost my password again lol

[clee]

They have moved hosts and I'd not updated my favorites so I was a bit

You just need to go here ...and request a new password ??
http://21toc.com/forum/login.php?do=login

[Lewis]

New poster! (less than 10 posts)

feck some one has stuck 4 more valves in my quadra

Tell us a bit more about this quaddie?

12valve conversions have been done before but are few and far between. They use the 12 valve head from the txi 2 or 2.2 litre models they would need a custom exhaust manifold.

Got a few pics of the car and engine bay would be nice to see?

[Mike Wilson@ PCS]

cheers ,, ps i have a quadra coming in in 2 weeks if you havent any luck

[Sparkie]

i would try and have a go in one first.

they have a great top end, but always found the acceleration somewhat lacking.

considering how many 21 turbo owners we know about, how many people can hand on heart say, they have SEEN a quick one? - not just heard about....

[clee]

Mine certainly felt quick at 25psi on the way home after buying it I quickly tured it down innit .
I agree they are not the quickest off the line .We've done some head to head tests @ Bruntingthorpe with the RAOC ......I've left my GTA's latest figures there for you ref If you can find another 2k it might be worth a look at one ......

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Yesterday's results JIL 4672
0-60 5.8s
1/4 14.4 @ 98


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Results from test days 1 & 2

BHP (Corrected) At Flywheel

Alistair Stripp GTA Atmo 158.5
Simon Taylor GTA Turbo 202.6
Justin Black GTA Turbo 170.0
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo 191.8
Tony Law GTA Le Mans 202.0
Joe Salama A610 265.9
Mark Garner Clio V6 227.5
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo 211.8
Paul Rombaut Renault 21 Turbo 188.0
Steve Kentish Renault 21 Quadra 213.6 (225.9 boosted)

PERFORMANCE 0-60 (Best Run)

Alistair Stripp GTA Atmo 7.6s
Simon Taylor GTA Turbo 6.7s
Justin Black GTA Turbo 6.9s
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo DNR*
Tony Law GTA Le Mans 6.2s
Joe Salama A610 6.0s
Mark Garner Clio V6 6.9s
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo 7.3s
Paul Rombaut Renault 21 Turbo 7.5s
Steve Kentish Renault 21 Quadra 7.1s (6.8s boosted)

* 2nd Gear Failure

PERFORMANCE VMAX (Best Run)

Alistair Stripp GTA Atmo 136.2mph
Simon Taylor GTA Turbo 143.6mph
Justin Black GTA Turbo 143.9mph
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo 128.8mph
Tony Law GTA Le Mans 142.5mph
Joe Salama A610 153.1mph
Mark Garner Clio V6 135.4mph
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo 139.1mph
Paul Rombaut Renault 21 Turbo 126.5mph
Steve Kentish Renault 21 Quadra 135.4mph


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RAOC BRUNTINGTHORPE RESULTS 30/11/07 CONDITIONS DAMP

NAME VEHICLE COLOUR 0-60 0-100 VMAX BHP 1/4 Mile

Kevan Slater Clio V6 255 Blue 6.9s 19.5s 125.7mph 240bhp 16.3 @ 91.2
Lee Hodson Megane 225 Red 7.2s 17.7s 133.8mph 229bhp 15.8 @ 94.1
Andy Mackenzie Wintle A310 V6 Yellow 7.6s 23.3s 129.2mph 136bhp 16.3 @ 86.1
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo White 6.8s 15.5s 135.8mph 214bhp 15.1 @ 98.3
Keith Walker Venturi 400 Red 5.3s 11.2s 168.6mph 364bhp 13.8 @ 109.3
Chris Hawes Delorean Silver 9.2s 24.7s 117.2mph 130bhp 17.4 @ 80.3
Mark Garner Clio V6 Silver 6.7s 18.0s 135.8mph 230bhp* 15.6 @ 92.5
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo Red 8.3s 19.3s 142.0mph 212bhp* 16.3 @ 91.4
Andy Holt Spider Yellow 6.1s 13.8s 145.4mph NT 14.8 @ 102.1
Martin Guard Venturi 300 Silver 6.0s 13.8s 115.9mph NT 15.6 @ 100.0

* Previous Test
NT = Not Tested

I haven't confirmed this with the manufacturers but the figures for the unmodified cars would seem to suggest a correction factor of approx 6% to 7% for the power figures due to the wet surface.

For example that would put the 400GT output closer to 390 bhp