the day started with the nearest thing to cleaning that I'm likely to be caught doing
the day started with the nearest thing to cleaning that I'm likely to be caught doing
I then picked the clio up, and pulled the engine out from underneath it
I then took a quick picture showing the alternator sat on it's modified bracket.
with a bit of grunting I got the engine over to the Twingo, and lifted it roughly into position to get an idea what fitted and what didn't.
it was clear that I'd be lifting the engine in and out a lot, so to save damaging anything I decided to remove the loom, cooling system, exhaust manifold (as this clashed with the rear engine mount), the inlet plenum, and the lifting eye.
First, the obligatory loom shot
stripped engine
I'm going to need to cut a bit out of the cockpit air intake box, the engine is still sat too low, although it is now sat loosely on 2 of the 3 engine mounts
and finally a shot from underneath with the bonnet shut - note that the engine is still sat too low, and slightly too far forwards.
Awesome work, I know the french Performance cars magazine is a bag of poo, but it has a wide arched twingo with a v8 in the back, which I'll scan up later if you'd like. Although its probably not your cup of tea
twingos must be all the rage!
supercharged f7r
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/sh...g=&tabNumber=2
oops, looks like the cheap build has gone out of the window, just ordered a set of H&R coilovers
172 suspension no good then?Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke
oops, looks like the cheap build has gone out of the window, just ordered a set of H&R coilovers
nope, way too long, the bottom balljoints neck out before the dampers can fully extend, Gonna break something doing that. Still hoping to use the 172 uprights, brakes etc.
blimey, bet they wernt cheap... but if its the only major thing you have to changefingers crossed for you anyway.
not too bad, esp considering the poor state of the pound; just over £600. They 'should' have bilstein inserts which means they are rebuildable, and revalveable in the UK. I expect that I'll be cutting off the bottom mounts and welding on brackets to fit the 172 uprights, so they'll need to come apart for that. I was planning on doing something with the suspension, either Koni or Bilstein, so it was likely to get pretty expensive either way. I'll know more when they get here...blimey, bet they wernt cheap... but if its the only major thing you have to change
Cut a wee hole in the cockpit air intake box which allowed the engine to be sat in the right place - not bolted yet as it's still only on 2 of the 3 mounts. Bolted on the 172 uprights and brakes to check the driveshaft plunge, so far it seems OK although the camber is silly with the 172 dampers. I think I'll modify the 172 uprights to fit the Twingo dampers. I also balanced the front panel in place to see if the alternator clears. It's close, so I'll think about whether to leave it, modify the bracket further, or just cut a hole in the front panel.
note the 5 lurking in the background, I think it might be sulking
That looks a bit of a tight squeeze at the front Andy??
Do you think that you're going to have enough room for the OE rad or will you need a smaller custom one??
Great thread BTW, really enjoyable reading about every little step of your new project!
Crazyyyyyyyylooks good mate...
I think the rad will be fine, it's about the same size as the original rad, but the fan is thinner.. 'keep thinking positive thoughts'
Do you think that you're going to have enough room for the OE rad or will you need a smaller custom one??
Great thread BTW, really enjoyable reading about every little step of your new project!
Will you have to modifi your trans shafts or will the wheel base match the 172 with the mounting place of the engine? if running running 172 bones etc? would look crazy that...
track width is about the same as the 172. I plan on using standard 172 shaftsWill you have to modifi your trans shafts or will the wheel base match the 172 with the mounting place of the engine? if running running 172 bones etc? would look crazy that...
my suspension isn't here yet, but I finally found a pic of the kit
uses Bilstein monotubes
good manoops, looks like the cheap build has gone out of the window, just ordered a set of H&R coilovers
Not much change out of a grand
just been into work to pick up my ECU, it's been there since Tuesday. No obvious mods to the inside, so the unlocking is all software. £158 delivered. I'm running out of excuses for not getting on with it
No cocking around here..... should be running sunday
Now whats what i call a conversion!!!
So just out of interest how much does an old shape twingo weigh?
apparently it's 790Kg
Now whats what i call a conversion!!!
So just out of interest how much does an old shape twingo weigh?
790
no idea, it's gaining weight all the time, brakes, wheels, exhaust etc are all heavy. Gotta end up 200Kg lighter than the clio though790
Still be alot lighter over a 172... give you 12months and its on plastic and diet...
hopefully not, I'd like it to look and sound innocuous, but occasionally I think it should sound like thisStill be alot lighter over a 172... give you 12months and its on plastic and diet...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gv3J...eature=related
A friend of mine had a 172 with afew things done to it, some tuning company or others stage whatever, and it sounded amazing, it used to growl when he put his foot down, I hated the look of the car but loved the sound of it!
good info
just took a couple of shots of the inside of the clio.
The first shows the wiring behind the dash that needs picking through for a couple of wires, well, OK, 9 wires.
Second shows some of the useless crap that falls out of a 'stripped' car
For a quick 5 minute job this morning I thought I'd swap the clio fuel collector/pump into the Twingo. The Clio one came out without too much drama, but the Twingo one still has me stumped.
I've finally got around to tackling the engine mount, it's almost done now.
Saw this on the net andy.. perhaps a paint sceme for your sport twingo...
Saw this on the net andy.. perhaps a paint sceme for your sport twingo...
This is gonna be so great, can't wait to see it run...
You good a wiring it up cookie ? Feel free to do my volvo loom
wiring? nothing to it
finished the welding on the mount, think it'll do, need to get some bolts of the right length.
Ha first pic, welding over a can of brake cleaner
That mount looks good mate, i reakon u wanna crank up the amps on your welder and run another bead of weld across the top and bottom of that pole where it joins to the flat plate... Then engine kicks out some power - dont want it falling out at 100 mph lol
oops, a real welder checking out my pigeon strike
That was welded on maximum, it's pretty thick steel for my hobby welder. I was thinking about adding some verticals, not sure, may still do. I have the rear mount to remake tomorrow, I'm going to convert it to underslung so that I can use the 172 manifold unmodified.
Andrew, are you not going for the 182 manifold over the 172 manifold?
Good work, Can't wait to see it finished
172, 2 reasons, 1st, it's what I've got. 2nd, I wasn't sure how much butchering was needed, more pipes will be more butchering, it's hard enough to fit as it is. I'm trying not to get sucked into the clio tuning world of spending £100 to get 3hp.
Good idea, 182 manifolds swap hands for around £250hp!
I think the 182 manifold take up less room than the 172 manifold... hence the idea...
Cant remember tho, i had a 182 manifold but couldn't be arsed to fit to the 172.
I only paid £80 for mine tho, you can get them alot less than £250 that they go for on cliosport...
Is the 182 mani the same as the RS? or the ported jansport?
intake, not sure, mine isn't an RS inlet.
I aint dissing it mate, just saying you wanna run another couple of runs accross either side just keep building it up untill the weld is level with the pole if ya get me...oops, a real welder checking out my pigeon strike
That was welded on maximum, it's pretty thick steel for my hobby welder. I was thinking about adding some verticals, not sure, may still do. I have the rear mount to remake tomorrow, I'm going to convert it to underslung so that I can use the 172 manifold unmodified.
Credit to you thou mate, this is one very interesting topic and cant wait to see your wiring progress, this really is gonna be one pocket rocket...
it's all good, I appreciate the input. Half of the reason for this thread is to provoke commentI aint dissing it mate, just saying you wanna run another couple of runs accross either side just keep building it up untill the weld is level with the pole if ya get me...
Credit to you thou mate, this is one very interesting topic and cant wait to see your wiring progress, this really is gonna be one pocket rocket...
This morning's project... rear mount.
A few days back I noticed that there was a block of ballast hidden inside the subframe, it was built in, and much as it offended me I decided to ignore it. In moving the engine mount to the bottom of the subframe I decided to weld in a thicker plate, this presented the opportunity to open the frame up and remove the offending ballast - NVH be dammed
pictures:
- opening up the subframe
- removing the ballast
- assorted ballast removed so far
- subframe plate welded
- rear mount started, part R5 mount, part 2x1 box
my suspension turned up from Germany today, off to the pub to celebrate
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