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So here goes my first question of many for the project 5 gt turbo. With the various pipes, hoses and wires and the mods people do I am looking to find out what is incorrect in my engine bay so I took some pictures.
The photos are not very good as I get to grips with using an slr. Any help is much appreciated
Firstly Actuator/ bleed valve vacum pipe on incorrect port
Tdc sensor sitting on turbo elbow will melt
Carb pipes on drivers side don't look correct,
Dude Ican see quite a few more errors would be worth ccontactingyour local area rep to pop over and help you out
Wow, what a state. Nothing that can't be sorted out quite simply though by the looks of it.
As James says above, get hold of your local rep.
The turbo water feed inlet looks to be missing and the water outlet looks to be upside-down. Maybe they ditched the coolant circuit as they also removed the coolant loop to the inlet manifold/carb base.
I'm looking at popping out Thursday during day if your about then can pop over and take a look and help sort it out if you want. Won't be free this weekend or possibly next but if still needed can sort something out
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That would be much appreciated, where are you based? Unfortunately I am not available Thursday.
To be honest Ian S is only a few streets away from where the car is stored and I am sure he will enjoy a laugh at what mess I have bought this time.
That is if he doesn't mind.
I'm from Braintree. Try with Ian if feeling up for it else can sort out a day can get there when free
Hi Has,
Yes I could pop over at some mutually convenient time. It's been maybe 7 years since I worked on a 5!
Looks like assessing it and making a list would be the best first thing to do.
That might nice Dale if you could turn up at the same time, that would be the biggest RTOC meeting in these parts since about 2006! I expect you have a more recent familiarity working with them.
No Anti Percolation fan.
Looks like no air pipe to the fuel pressure regulator or to the instrument panel boost gauge. Or the carbs pump diaphragm; on the drivers side.
No water hoses to carb base.
Water pipe is going over the rocker cover (to the turbo?)
The turbo elbow boost compensation metal pipe appears to have been joined to the hose to the fuel pressure regulator.
No safety hose from the carb richness diaphragms on the passenger side of the carb.
Turbo actuator vacuum pipe on rear port instead of front.
TDC sensor cable is sitting on turbo elbow and will melt.
The turbo water feed inlet looks to be missing and the water outlet looks to be upside-down.
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I will have a look under the bonnet this evening. I have a boot full of spares so will see what I have. Does anyone have any pictures they can post of how it should look?
Anti perc fan, didn't people remove these for a reason?
Yeah, the reason was they didn't know what they were doingThe fan does help the carb (prevent float chamber evaporation?) when hot and in traffic. Renault would not waste the cost of a fan, special duct and two temp sensors if it was not a necessity.
Some fans caught fire if they jammed. Renault fitted a fuse to stop that. Don't know if it was a recall. Mine came with the fuse in 1992.
With these cars there can be a compromise between the parts needed for all year daily running and those for a lot more torque and power, which may mean off boost, hot in traffic, hot or winter running may be more difficult.
What time are you likely to be over this way? Give me a call or text so I can be ready then and I'll pop over with you to see it if you like.
Looks like the carb plenum has been modified at an angle to suit a fmic with pipe run the other way ?
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Thanks for coming round Ian, looks like I have plenty to do lol.
If anyone does have any good pictures or exploded diagrams for the piping etc it would really help.
Cheers
Here's one I just lifted from Facebook;
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152599512799043&set=pcb.101526845 22899310&type=1&theater
I think to get it running it's probably best to fit the two turbo water hoses. Get the OE breather hoses on or something that will work.
Sort some wiring, get the rad fan going.
Get a clip on the fuel pipe at the carb top.
Clip(s) on the turbo actuator hose. It that pops off then it's sky high boost until the liners crack.
Bolt into the turbo elbow.
Two bolts through a clips bracket into the cylinder head end plate.
Check water and oil.
See if it starts.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=627603174003919&set=p.6276031740039 19&type=1
Nice one of the turbo water hoses and breather hoses. Also shows that missing clips bracket on the passenger side of the engine:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=628383327259237&set=p.6283833272592 37&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=788171351226900&set=gm.101526552551 19310&type=1&theater
Those links say the content is unavailable?
There are descriptions and diagrams of all the engine bits and piece on RTOC. Just needs a bit of searching out.
I presume that would be because you don't have a Facebook account. They are links from there; basically the page is a list of pictures.
I no longer know where any of the photos are on the RTOC site. It was / is full of them.
It's odd. Sometimes I can see FB pictures on given links and sometimes I can't. When I can't it usually says that I'd need to login. Today is says the content is unavailable, which I've not seen before. Anyway, it's no matter.
As for searching out pics from the RTOC site, that was directed at the OP, not you Ian
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I'm not on FB myself, borrowed a profile but link does not load. I will do some google searches and scan project threads.
I've posted the full links. Does that help now you can copy and paste them?
Edit:
Had another thought, the two Facebook groups are closed groups and you need to request to use them.
He'll need a FB account first!
I guess it's not possible to copy images from FB and post them here?
Copyright issues?
Can't anyone here can simply link to some photos on this RTOC site?
Although there are only 14 members on-line at the moment.
This thread might get more attention in General Chat?
Is these the pics? edit: added other pics
Last edited by Matty; 24-08-2014 at 20:31.
This is mine before i took most of it out for a tidy up.
Yes that orange hoses pic was one
Standard engine bay...
Regards,
Steve
Nice one gents
I'm sure my choke cable is wrong, but I can't work out the correct routing?
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Nice one, those pics are spot on. Helps me out with mine too.
PIC of my current gtt bay
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/album.php...ictureid=10349
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Thanks guys, that will get me started.
Super pics Hoolio
These pics take me back a few years! Straight to the 1990's.
I was in primary school.......
My engine bay
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All very helpful, thanks. Matty, your pictures have disappeared, are you able to get them back.
Had a route around today and found these hanging out of the bottom of the driver side bumper behind the spotlight location.
So these should go over the engine, near the turbo and plug into the carb and a resistor. Firstly what does the resistor do and is it required (one of the spade connectors are broken on mine) and do the wires plug in in some order?
Also does this relay have a proper resting place?
Pic one; that might be the sensor for the anti perc. fan and would slot into the turbo heat shield. The two spades at the end of the cable might go onto the sensor on the passenger side of the carb, also to switch on the anti perc. fan.
Not sure about the other cable. Maybe that's for the solenoid that would clip into that open pair of clips on the bulkhead (behind the green resistor in pic two) and direct cool air from the anti perc. fan through the intercooler and compressor.
Pic two; The purpose of the green resistor appears to have fallen out of my memory and I know longer know.
Pic three; There are several relays around that area. That one could be for the rad fan and would have affixed to a joiner maybe on the missing plastic cowl or somewhere. I've forgotten exactly where.
I always thought the green resistor was part of the perch fan system?
First pic is the sensor that sits on top of the turbo heat shield and the rest below is the wiring that connects to the green resistor, I think.
Yeah my photobucket account has reached it's limit. I'll upload them somewhere else.
Yep that round part is the antiperc fan sensor, the orange and blue wires that come off it, go to the passenger side of carb, onto a sensor, and the other black plug goes into the underside of the black canister on the bulkhead (that yours is missing) just a bracket shown in your pic of where it should be. Purple wire with red spade goes onto bottom of green resistor you have shown. I've just redone all of mine yesterday.
Do some site searching on removal of the anti-perc fan to get rid of all that stuff in the first and second pics.
That relay in your third pic does indeed have a resting place. There is a spade connector type thing sticking out somewhere in that area of the bay that slots into that small, thin slot in the black plastic of the relay cover. Showing on the top, front, left of the relay in your pic.
Yep relay should attach to the same bracket as the horn motor and expansion tank is on...top left rivet....just redone that too.
Not doubting you but this relay is poking out near the driver side headlight by the alternator, a long way off from where it should be. I take the loom has been incorrectly routed.Yep relay should attach to the same bracket as the horn motor and expansion tank is on...top left rivet....just redone that too.
Ah yeah so it is!that'll go on the other inner wing then.
There are already two relays on that side and a hole where the anti perc fan was. I am guessing this should fit the plastic radiator surround apart from mine is incomplete.Ah yeah so it is!
Possibly the most sexual engine bay ever. My hats off to the owner. Simply Superb!
My progress.
No Anti Percolation fan. In the boot and not worried for the sake of getting it back to the road, can be considered later.
Looks like no air pipe to the fuel pressure regulator or to the instrument panel boost gauge. Or the carbs pump diaphragm; on the drivers side. Air pipes to the right oc carb plenum put right.
No water hoses to carb base.The one towards the front runs over the rocker and over to the turbo? I do not have a useable pipe. The other water pipe I am not sure where it leads to and if I have one.
Water pipe is going over the rocker cover (to the turbo?) To water pump outlets joined together, this will be put right with sorting the above.
The turbo elbow boost compensation metal pipe appears to have been joined to the hose to the fuel pressure regulator. Sorted.
No safety hose from the carb richness diaphragms on the passenger side of the carb. Is this the overflow pipe? What course should it run?
Turbo actuator vacuum pipe on rear port instead of front. Sorted.
TDC sensor cable is sitting on turbo elbow and will melt. Bracket found in boot and fitted giving clearance from the turbo.
The turbo water feed inlet looks to be missing and the water outlet looks to be upside-down. As per comments on carb.
The car starts but will not idle, how do I put this right?
Thanks for all the help.
Still not had a chance to look at the idle issue. Where do I need to be investigating?
Perhaps 'fuel pump relay'? Leading to carb emptying.
Or blocked idle jet?
For the idle issue try the idle jet, it's the big brass one to the left of the carb, take it out and make sure it's very clean. Failing that, it's probs a vacuum leak looking at the condition of the pipe work so far, but you will get there
The water port at the back of the carb goes to the back of the inlet manifold if i recall, it's a short section.
The overflow just wants to go down the from of the car between the fan and the engine to the floor.
The waste gate actuator plumbing on your car looks to be done in the style of the "cup mod" and it's also fitted with a bleed valve. The plumbing will be fine but I would remove the bleed valve and throw it in the bin.
Good effort
Maybe post some more pics of your engine bay so we can see if there's anything else that's obviously still wrong?
Bleed valve - I was always ok with the bleed valves I used. If you don't want it though, don't throw it away, either give it away (as there are people who will use it), or sell it.
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