I prefer to call it voicing what is wanted by most members yet they don't shout up for being smacked down.
Bury your heads in the sand. Pretend the problem isn't there. Quality.
I prefer to call it voicing what is wanted by most members yet they don't shout up for being smacked down.
Bury your heads in the sand. Pretend the problem isn't there. Quality.
There is no problem, apart from you.
There is an irony in your statement.Originally Posted by car.crash
You are the very thing a club doesn't need. You don't nail your colours to the mast. You hover around arguments waiting to stick the boot in and you are critical of just about everything and everyone.
Grow up and formulate an argument rather than the throw away one liners of abuse that you seem to only be capable of.
Take a look in the mirror son, you're the epitome of the word problem with attitude like that.
What's up now Andy ?
Title of the forum is wrong mate. Its inflammatory , and insulting.
Why couldnt it be called the forum that doesnt display on the live board.
subtext : contentious issues are held in here. Enter at your own risk.
and just to be really , really arguementative , some members DO want to see that threads occupy the live feed
I see... so you're just being a cheeky northerner again.
Or as its known , correct .I see... so you're just being a cheeky northerner again.
In yours & probably dave's 'collective' opinion...Or as its known , correct .
Yawn...
Perhaps it should be renamed andy&dave forum....
Perhaps the Committee should be renamed "Elitist-never-wrong-we-will-silence-you-board"Perhaps it should be renamed andy&dave forum....
At least Andy & Dave get a response from the Committee when they post
I'll post it in here then........
OK, so because I messaged all of the people who showed some interest in Sangliers telling them that my future updates would not be posted on the RTOC but elsewhere I cannot now buy some parts for my car through the classifieds section??
Feels like a little bit of an over reaction to me.
So what exactly does my £15 Membership entitle me to now???
I await your response.
"Acrimonious whinging"
I thought it it showed a rare sense of rather dry humour.
Too dry perhaps.
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
Hi
Just thought I'd pop my head in to the site and see what was happening.
So what 's the problem with you all. I thought we were on-line mates?
I'll quote this because I remember you asking a few days ago.
I thought you were just in a temporary state of "purdah" whilst the situation was pondered. At least you still have a voice on here which is more than can be said for others on the other site.
This is a thread about things going on this site, no need to bring "the other" into it, especially if your facts are incorrect
The more i look Hoolio, the more i discover how myself and the other Two Amigo's have had many membership privileges removed and we are no longer allowed to post in ANY of the car forums.....
This is true. But alas not from PM fromMiller. Ashy has been informative , as have Lee , Slammed66 , Chris and a few others. I have asked stuff from IanS and he has been forthcoming too.At least Andy & Dave get a response from the Committee when they post
And I cant help but noting its the CM and Mods who jump in a shown the yawn faces with a vast majority being in support on the non CM ..
Just an observation like ..
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Can a CM help me out here ? Publicly ?
Over on 21toc , if I create a vote as an admin I can see who voted which way. I cant change it but I can view it.
Can you guys do that ?
Reason being , I really need to see if it is the Dave + Andy show in all this.
If I created a vote asking a generic question of :
Do you think the club is being run in the correct way
with 3 answers.
Yes
No
Dont care
I wouldnt want the members to think they are being spied upon.
Does that seem fair ?
Thing is Andy, how does that help. We already know there is a problem, what we need to know is where the biggest problem lies & try to address it in a manner that suits everyone equally.
He's got a point, the description is badly worded considering whats going on round the club, baiting almost.
Title of the forum is wrong mate. Its inflammatory , and insulting.
Why couldnt it be called the forum that doesnt display on the live board.
subtext : contentious issues are held in here. Enter at your own risk.
and just to be really , really arguementative , some members DO want to see that threads occupy the live feed
Steve. Did you type the first part with your face then mate?
Ok , my plan was as follows. Condensed stuff as not to bore the pants off you just yet.
1st Vote : Issues
Yes/No/Maybe
2nd Vote :
What with?
Multiple vote areas such as
Website / Mobile Access / CM / Democracy of voting in to CM / Classified / Facebook Integration.
Then based on that what you can do is work out what the major issues are , fend them off and fix them , and start working through the issues. Otherwise you are just scatter gun approaching.
That make sense ?
Careful Ash , you will be branded into the Dave and Andy club.
On a serious point at least its not just me ..
( or Dave )
Yep, perfect sense..... be nice if it was as clear cut as that, don't think it will be though.. someone, somewhere is still going to be put out... what will you do if it's you ?Steve. Did you type the first part with your face then mate?
Ok , my plan was as follows. Condensed stuff as not to bore the pants off you just yet.
1st Vote : Issues
Yes/No/Maybe
2nd Vote :
What with?
Multiple vote areas such as
Website / Mobile Access / CM / Democracy of voting in to CM / Classified / Facebook Integration.
Then based on that what you can do is work out what the major issues are , fend them off and fix them , and start working through the issues. Otherwise you are just scatter gun approaching.
That make sense ?
Democracy and majority rules doesn't it ?
Its the way it should be.
Do it that way over on 21TOC and most other boards. Inevitably someone will feel put out , but if its 1 in 100 then unfortunately that's life. You can please everyone all the time.
We were, and still are apart from me and Ian S, he won't be my friend because he thinks i'm DaveL, whereas I am actually DaveL485, an entirely different person.
This is where my particular issues began, and the way I have been reacted to because of this, the repeated attacks and vilification is why I take particular pleasure in pointing out the shortfallings of the way this place is run. And there are many.
It's crazy really, a recognition of error and an apology would have turned me from a bullied and bitter member into a useful resource, but instead i'm now branded as a trouble making conspirator with ambition to take over the whole club. According to the powers that be, I am in cohorts with Andy Bond to achieve global domination, starting with the RTOC.
It's also massively entertaining, watching this lot screw over a car club. Massively. I am truly entranced and intrigued trying to figure out how the collective intelligence of the hierarchy reach their decisions.
I think I might give Jeremy Kyle a ring. It'll be a nice change from DNA tests, Adultery and bottom feeding mouth breathers abusing each other between dole cheques
If this is your sole motivation then you just lost a degree of support.We were, and still are apart from me and Ian S, he won't be my friend because he thinks i'm DaveL, whereas I am actually DaveL485, an entirely different person.
This is where my particular issues began, and the way I have been reacted to because of this, the repeated attacks and vilification is why I take particular pleasure in pointing out the shortfallings of the way this place is run. And there are many.
It's crazy really, a recognition of error and an apology would have turned me from a bullied and bitter member into a useful resource, but instead i'm now branded as a trouble making conspirator with ambition to take over the whole club. According to the powers that be, I am in cohorts with Andy Bond to achieve global domination, starting with the RTOC.
It's also massively entertaining, watching this lot screw over a car club. Massively. I am truly entranced and intrigued trying to figure out how the collective intelligence of the hierarchy reach their decisions.
I think I might give Jeremy Kyle a ring. It'll be a nice change from DNA tests, Adultery and bottom feeding mouth breathers abusing each other between dole cheques
Hoolio,
Dont take that post literally dude.
I think some of it is tongue in cheeky. Especially the world domination thing.
I am going alone for that bit.
If you review my posts, suggestions and so on, I think you'll find there is good material there. I am losing interest in this club though after the treatment of me and my friends recently....so yes sadly for RTOC I shall be diverting my efforts elsewhere, by the looks of it.
Good post though. Kind of shot me down there. You should be on the committee, thats the way it should be done
But but but....you promised.....
Tbh I did take it with a small pinch of salt and I agree things could have been handled a lot better (on all sides) I would really prefer it if nobody left ( I got banned from the RTOF for trying to start that discussion) and you know we really need people with drive and energy to keep this place moving.
Good show. Keep that attitude up and you'll get a ban
[adds pinch of salt]
Baiting actually
I'll change it to something more serious at some point, perhaps when I feel a predominantly amicable vibe
Remember this is a discussion about this site not others. Anyone can come see your posts and it did come across especially when u admitted coming across just to say what you did, as trying to start grief between 2 forums
I could say thats an abuse of power.Baiting actually
I'll change it a some point, perhaps when I feel a predominantly amicable vibe
But I wont.
( was that amicable enough ?
A FAR better question is, "please suggest how you think the club could be managed better".
We don't need votes and polls. Look at that poll Gordon did. 30 responses. That's normal around these parts to that sort of thing.
Tbh I did take it with a small pinch of salt and I agree things could have been handled a lot better (on all sides) I would really prefer it if nobody left ( I got banned from the RTOF for trying to start that discussion) and you know we really need people with drive and energy to keep this place moving.
tell you what here it is
"Brilliant, asking want we want and all the answers so far have been pretty much what is already available elsewhere. Instead of jumping ship why are you guys not staying put and trying to fix it. Ridiculous."
not really a start to a discussion i don't think more a statement.
Too open a question Ian. Too many variables.
Starting with digital answers where there are only two variables and drill down later.
I already stated very clearly that I NEVER thought you are DaveL, and that as far as I know THIS IS NO DAVEL. And that I merely couldn't be bothered to reach over and press 485.
No you're committee bashing started that whole thing off, causing the reaction from the committee. Would scarcely have know you existed otherwise. You made a big splash and a bad name for yourself.
You've worked hard to achieve this status.
I have given you this many times. You just respond with abuse.
Elect a new Chairman, someone with the time and motivation to manage the club, be proactive, reactive, innovative and responsive.
He should redefine roles and redistribute workload according to availability and capability of resource, consulting with those resources in doing so. Roles with more than one volunteer can be elected by club vote if so desired.
The Chairman manages these roles and supports where necessary. Obviously there is a little more to it than that, but thats the core of it. Thats the first step.
My initial response to this was one word. "Resign". In an attempt not to be a complete ****head, I decided to make one last attempt at reason. Do with it what you will. It will benefit everyone, but if I had to select one person it would benefit most, Ian, it would be you.
You don't help yourselfBaiting actually
I'll change it to something more serious at some point, perhaps when I feel a predominantly amicable vibe
A growing number of people will be glad to read that.
In fact we're starting to learn that you're the reason some members are leaving. Not to go to the other site, just to get away from you posts. And Andy's, the two of you bouncing off each other, hence the new phrase, the Andy and Dave show, that's not a compliment.
You are a LIAR. A plain, downright liar. You have outright accused me of being this other bloke twice on an open forum.
You even made point of saying I was banned for this-and-that and I went and asked Bruce Hockley to confirm I was not this guy, which he did.
I can't believe you even dare type that Ian, it's such a blatant lie.
You have some gall. You really do. I wonder if you would be this brave in person. Unlikely.
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