First post!
Brought an engine from a RTOC member that has turned out not to be as described. It was supposed to be fitted with "Forged Pistons" as per the advert, After taking off the sump and looking at the part number stamped on the underside of the pistons, they are just standard ones from another Renault. Spoke to seller who has told me to basically do one. Just a warning to all members becuase the guy is still on here selling a lot of stuff!!!!!!!
Name and shame....
Also demand a refund, how long ago did you buy it??
if the deal has gone sour its good to hear from the other party, if his/her reasons are genuine there will be no issues with him/her being named and they can explain the situation
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First thing I did was ask for a refund and basically got told "No Chance", But claims to be an "Honest seller" Got it a few weeks ago but havent been able to confirm the piston part number until now as ive had to move house twice!! and the engine has been in storage with my car. Its a lot of money for me and It took me a while to decide whether to do the conversion. Now im stuck with an engine thats no good and a grand out of pocket... Dont worry though I havent given up yet
Name them.. Could we not set something such as eBay? With a % on a persons sales? And adds this to there main page? Just so people have a fighting chance? Pisses me off when fellow members feel the need to make money falsely. We're all in the same game here or so I thought. Bad members need outing!!
Bad news. I must say it boils my pee when I see stuff like this. The only thing you can do now is name them. He can then put forward his story.
name and shame ! people will know who to look out for then
also if they are on here we can see both sides and maybe get a resolution? 3rd party perspective and all that
I think what penfold and adey are saying is what's the point of "warning" people if you're not going to name them? Either give the guy a chance to explain or at least give the rest of us notice to be careful about buying in the future! I, as I'm sure lots of others on here have dealt in parts from other members and with that you'd like to think that there is an element of trust but also responsibility for others.
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Its R5_Scotty
Would be good to hear what he has to say
The engine was from me, I brought it for glens old five . I brought it as a forged lump. As far as I knew the pistons are forged. Thats how it was sold to me. I brought it put it in the garage and there it stayed . Iv got fed up with the fives and decidedni want something else for a while so hence the sale of my parts. I put the lump up for sale on here as you all probably had seen . I advertised it as I got sold it. Just wanted back what it owed me. I didnt build it and hadnt touched it . When dean came over with his pal to look over it he asked whats been done I told him I was unsure really. I told him what I had been told. He said , so the bottom ends forged I said I dont really know for sure but the fella said the pistons are. I said to dean if your not happy or your unsure about it then leave it. You dont have to buy it. He still said he wanted it. So he took it. I felt I was honest and hadnt lied. What more can I say. Theres loads of people who have met and brought parts from me and know me well.so make your own views of this. I aint a keyboard basher. I tried talkin to the fella but it aint working. I sold it honestly and told him what I knew. Him and his friend looked it over and still took it.he didnt have too as I said I told him I was unsure on it but felt the fella that sold it to me was honest.
I was writting up but everyone had posted befor I could get a message up. Aint great on computers
Be nice to get peoples feedback on this befor everyone starts slagging me off.
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No, I asked about the rods as there was no mention of them in the advert. "YOU" advertised the pistons as forged. If you wasnt sure then you should of left the word "FORGED" out of the advert. Yes we looked over it, cant really inspect pistons from the outside!!
What can you do if goods don't match their description?
If goods don't match their description and you have only had them for a very short time and not used them, you should return them to the seller and claim a refund.
You can do this regardless of where you bought the goods, for example in a shop, on the internet, or from a catalogue. It also doesn't matter whether you bought the goods from a private seller or from a business.
You should say that the goods have been 'misdescribed' and you would like a refund under the Sale of Goods Act.
By law its false/wrong advertising.
By rights you should refund & take it back and look to the previous seller for your money back.
Wasn't sold as seen, but advertised as "Forged".
Well that sounds fare enough n but can something be resolved after all he still has an engine of unknown build which is fare enough but could up not work something out between yourselves so your both happy? R5 Scott sells lots to many an i think this is the first iv seen personally.
But il will give you that Scotty at least you have been decent enough to be polite and not just dismissive..
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Originally Posted by Nottswoody
Polite? id be polite if I wasnt going to give any money back!! he offered £100 is that polite!!!!
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This is exactly what I said
Chat it over the phone guys. Forums are not the place to be trying to sort out a problem like this.
Scotty is a breeze to deal with compared to some of the fools I have been experiencing since owning the 5.
Good luck to you both and let all hope this gets sorted.
No bud that's not fare at all. I sold a good engine new gaskets etc.. Very good runner £250. That's all they are worth.
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Ive tried that believe me, I didnt want to spread it over the forum, but what else can I do??, hes not prepared to refund, even though it should be him having this discussion with the guy he got it from. If he's as decent as hes trying to make out then the first thing he should of done was agree to a refund.
Iv been good in my opinion. I called you. I returned all your messages . You had ago at me for not replying to1 message.If I thought I was doing you over I wouldnt reply at alI .i offered a 100 to help.so fuel costs of collecting. You wanted 600 back. I feel iv been fair. You got 21 turbo injectors, inlet mani, log mani, magnicor leads, dizzy, map sensor, flywheels , gearbox. The lump had piper cams and pulleys etc. It was a good buy still in my opinion. And like I said I told you I was unsure and if you dont feel sure on it yourself dont take it.
Load the advert up.
At the moment people are judging on hear say, when really apart from R5 Scotty and the buyer no one knows what has gone on.
People getting involved with opinions really aren't helping either of these guys sort this out.
I will say that I've bought a heap of stuff from Scott and had no problems at all with him or his parts. He's gone out of his way to help local members with cars and advice.
sounds to me like both people involved in this have been "tucked up" Scott mentioned he bought this as forged- who/where is the chap that claims to have built this engine? Name and shame him.
I m more than happy for it to be posted up as I feel iv done nothing wrong. Like I said I would like to see peoples feedback on this.
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Wouldnt you have a go if you had just spent £1200 on something thats not worth half?????
Yes I have those bits (they were part of the deal) er I paid for the gearbox (1200 all in)
The pistons are no good, there from a 2L 100bhp laguna.
Fair?? Really??????
Take this to pm, and committee deal with... These things get out of hand.
Both have had input, no need to let it escalate further on open boards.
Leave it up but lock it down.
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Ive spoken to guy who Scott had the engine off because he stopped replying to Scott. Says it all really and I doubt he will care either way.
At the end of the day it doesnt matter whether he built it, brought it or found it. He advertised it as "Forged Pistons" we all put our trust in others when buying engines as you cant strip them down before buying, if your unsure, then advertise as unsure or dont list it in the first place.
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FALSE ADVERTISING, SALES GOOD ACT
What can you do if goods don't match their description?
If goods don't match their description and you have only had them for a very short time and not used them, you should return them to the seller and claim a refund.
You can do this regardless of where you bought the goods, for example in a shop, on the internet, or from a catalogue. It also doesn't matter whether you bought the goods from a private seller or from a business.
You should say that the goods have been 'misdescribed' and you would like a refund under the Sale of Goods Act.
f7p turbo lump
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up for grabs as my plans have gone out the window.
f7p turbo engine .
was rebuilt with piper turbo spec cams and pulleys and has mahle forged pistons. arp conrod bolts,knife edged crank,turbo return drilled and tapped into block and not the sump.will come with renault 21 injectors on the rail , and inlet manifold and throttle bodie. new gaskets and new cambelt and pulleys
viewing is fine just give me a shout. i want throttle bodies and f7r i think now. change my mind like the weather i just want somthing minty fresh . so gona save for a while .
£980
For 1100
I will include a.helix padel clutch which is new and a 172 flywheel. Which will be better for standalone.
Also for 260
I have a rebuilt jc5 gearbox which I brought from market mark.
Again I didnt know what pistons they were I belived they were forged as I was told and I told you that. I said I was unsure. So I still feel I v done no wrong.....
Box 240
Injectors 80
Leads 45
Dizzy 30
Map sensor 45
Inlet mani and throttle bodie 30
F7p flywheel 25
F4r flywheel 30
So 675 for the lump. I see the cams and pulleys being worth 400 on there own .so I feel it was a good buy. What does everyone else think on the prices?? Plus I belived it was forged too so thought it was a steal! I felt I sold a bargin.
I aint looking too fall out with people. Just want both views put across.
I like the way your trying to justify it, pricing the parts separate is illrelivant. you threw them in as part of the deal.
Again if you were unsure, dont advertise it as. Would you sell a cam as a piper if you wasnt sure?
If its such a good deal then have it back and sell it again in bits.
With those pistons fitted it will be lucky if it doesnt blow to bits on idle!!!
Plus you only paid £750 for it
Sounds like scott got dry bummed by the previous seller.Refund the money to Dean and then try and get your money back of the other guy.Theres no reason for it to be any other way.
I would be prepared to take a part refund (to cover the cost to replace the pistons with forged items) I will be taking a risk as the pistons fitted are 82.72mm. I will have to either source some of a similar size or have the block rebored to 83mm (more cost) also i will have to get new gaskets and bolts and somone to do it.
I wont price parts individually as they will probably add up to more than i paid, I will be happy with a refund of £675.
Im probably doing myself here but I want this resolving so I can work on my car.
Await your reply
but even if the parts were there and forged they would be second hand? not new forged piston prices? sort it out guys, not on the boards where everyone can see it. feel free to pay your membership and write it in a non public section.
i feel for you mate but if you viewed before buying id take that as sold as seen, id feel differently if i was buying and it was posted.
also on another personal note, if i was buying it and i viewed it i would of had a good look over it, doesnt take much to drop plugs out and check inside. or even whip the head off. this is the things i would be doing without documented proof of the internals. youve done it when home to check anyway and most sellers wouldnt of had an issue with this sort of inspection being done before the sale.
this is also one word against another. got pics of the parts in the block?
Sold as seen doesnt cut it im affraid, its what its advertised as.
Im no engineer so even if I did see i couldnt of confirm either way. Yes I have pictures and an email from Mahle confirming they are cast so theres no problems there.
It was supposed to of been rebuilt and ran for 5 mins, so they were supposed to be "near new" also I cant really replace with second hand items can I? Casically as it is the engine isnt fit for purpose.
I would pay my membership but im a little short on cash at the moment.
Also it was dark
On another note, it should be the sellers responsibilty to confirm that the item he is selling is as described not the buyers.
of course it doesnt cut it, you want money back. some one is going to end up loosing out here. Looks crap to potential members here in the open. if you can spunk 1200 on an engine a few quid for membership shouldnt be an issue
I had to sell my C1J set up, not that it matters. So ive now got a five with no engine and an engine with paper cup holder pistons.
Refund the chap. Get your engine back and sell it now knowing its true identity. You'll still have a buyer eventually.
Totally agree, if it was me i wouldnt be happy with anything less than a full refund and hand the goods back
This is going no where like this
Edit... Lets not all get divided up here and cause issue in the club. There is a fair solution posted earlier about going back to the source of original sale.
All I see here is yet more club division.
Me I have no opinion if that's what's being looked for but I know what's fair, lets hope fair prevails (thought, not opinion)
A refund is all I asked for in the beginning. The engine is ready is ready for collection.
The sales good act states items need to be returned
That's fine if he covers the cost, it's a 3 hour journey each way
I would of thought though in the circumstances, the seller would offer to pick up as a good will gesture
You might of thought but if you using the letter of the law as u have above I'd do the same back, you don't ring tescos and say come pick up my out of date strawberry jam do you.
Who was the original seller? The membership should be made aware to not buy from him.
I'd think that from a legal point of view, the advert stated Mahle forged pistons. Standard Laguna pistons were sold.
Irrespective of the other parts and their collective value on the used market.
I know you don't, but then you don't expect to be ripped off by people with the same interest. I'll leave that to Scott to provide the info for the guy he got it from. He's a member on Clio valver not here I believe
Wow what a whinge, if he was giving me a full refund you shouldn't complain about taking it back. I mean if you bought a shirt from town and it was ripped you would just take it back and that like £50. We're talking about £1200 and your complaining about £50 in fuel??
As mentioned before you should have done more research of your own before handing over the money. Sale of goods act or not you should be more mad at yourself than believe some random stranger. I mean how gulable are you.
Oh on that matter I got an email from the FBI saying they have freezed $100000 of my money and I need to pay a clearance fee. If someone goes half with me to clear the funds ill give you half of the money??
Be thankful the guy is replying.
Oh I see what happening here, all pm each other to back each other up because im not a member. Ill join up then!
Ive made a valid post member or not.
Theres no need for sarcy comments about returning this or that, everyone would be the same if they were in my position.
Ok so how many people have brought an engine from someone and stripped it there and then!, i doubt many. As I said, it was dark and im hardly about to take it apart on his drive.
Its only when ive done more reasearch ive found what I have. Scott should of done this before advertising the engine.
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