well heres 1 thing that could be a problem. what do you think? will do comp test after bacon sandwich.lol.
well heres 1 thing that could be a problem. what do you think? will do comp test after bacon sandwich.lol.
That just looks like a worn gasket mate, wouldn't cause the smoking at all just a horrible noise if it has gone.
That's only exhaust paste, you shouldn't really use it there though...
what we looking at .Originally Posted by haizyr5gtt
Yeah your right there mate, thought it looked like a gasket (pic's not that big)
Deffinately not recommened using exhaust paste that side of the turbo
i dint put it ther it bin ther since i had it. comp test dint happen. car wouldnt start is too cold so battry is on charge now as i killed it.lol
Have you tried unbolting the exhaust from the turbo elbow and starting the car, may sound like a tractor, but if its smoking from here you will know its definately not oil burning off in the exhaust.
didnt think of that one. will give it a go when i do everything else aswel.lol
I had a rather funny surprise today, started driving along in the 5, suddenly realised i was trailing Huge plooms of smoke behind me !
Got back home, after abit of investigating it turned out that there was condensation in the PMT catch tank which had frozen, this then froze / blocked the breather pipe, the pressure build up forced oil into my exhaust, hence the smoke
I'll second that. Seals have failed in turbo. Pipe disconnected off the breather system is a classic fix to stop the turbo smoking at idle. If you are getting the "james bond smoke screen" also when you back off' turbo again. If the rings were buggered it would smoke all the time, period. hold the rev's at 2000rpm for a minute or so and i bet you get no smoke from it. Drop to idle, give it 10 seconds and it will smoke. Try that before you take it too bits for no reasonI happen to agree. This sounds more like turbo and less like rings. IMO. Compression check first though.
Will be a better result if it's the turbo for sure
Last edited by Nick k; 05-01-2009 at 00:35. Reason: im a muppet.
well i am back after my time away i have some news. the raider was in a bad shape, the compresion test resulted as follows, cylinder 1)100psi 2)150psi 3)130psi 4)40psi.
also done the oil cap test and yes when i removed it the smoke almost completly stopped.
its going off for a bottom end recondition this weekend down cgb motorsport in trelford.
so is it the bottom end thats failed what did the gasket look like have you kept it you got pics. are you sure its not a bad head you have yourself there. im not convinced its bottom end just yet
Sounds to me like the piston/rings are knackered on the piston with 40psi in it, its also giving a slight hint as to why the headgasket could of gone too.
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=2069
after reading this mate i would be inclined to say its top end not bottom
But his original problem was smoking, remember your old engine and what we found with it.
Looking at that thread thats alot of money for another bottom end, is that fitted too or just supplied as i didn't see it on there. Lot of money either way.
i have discussed with him whipping the head of getting that checked and poppin the pistons out and having a look he says it was only rebuild 450 miles ago so we should soon see if this the case
Last edited by RICHIE; 26-01-2009 at 18:34.
well im looking into a few things and prices. have been offered an engine for £150, its been in rear end smash.
few companies offering me diffrent things
evry option i have looked into at the moment has come out under £500
Its best to take it apart and see what has gone wrong, doesn't matter how many miles its done doesn't stop things going wrong especially when the headgasket has gone. Once its apart you might find out it to be something very obvious or simple, if is a piston it isn't to bad to swap over and get it back up and running.
Under £500 mate is alot better, sometimes using an engine you know is good can be the easiest and cheapest way of fixing it but depending what you find with yours first it might be easier to fix yours.
I would get the engine for £150 if its a runner!! Buy a head set/bottom end set. Change the head gasket, manifold gasket, valve seals and re-seat the valves, timing change and tensioner,oil pump refurb kit etc on it why it is out, check the shells out and end float, slap it back all together and jobs a good one. I did mine in little over a week start to finish. Yea its very labour intensive but it will cost about you about £250 max to do yourself and everything thats going to fail in the next few years in the engine department is done. and the main thing is piece of mind.....
You then have yourself a good reliable engine. swap them over and then you can take the other original engine apart in your leisure and see whats up with it.
I did mine a week before national day at mallory last year. battered it around the track for 5 hours, good as gold.
Been down this path before with your type of engine fault. cost alot of money to determine it was knackered anyway.
Last edited by Nick k; 26-01-2009 at 21:24.
hope u get this sorted mate i feel you pain. after headgasket failed on mine, i replaced it along with sticking forged pistons in, all on my drive and frankly i did pikie it a bit, mobile rehone of the bores, jetwashed it out and didnt check any ring gaps or anything as i didnt know i was sposed to. my and mate slung the pistons in using our fingers as ring compressors
well after all that, ****er was smoking on idle straight out the rebuild, was bomber beforehand, no smoke at all. so i was thinkin gotta be rings, i buggered it, doh
everntual diagnosis was the turbo itself, somehow it had died just from being sat for 2 months, i mean it was obviously on its way out but weird how no smoke before rebuild then suddenly loads. i diagnosed by removing turbo from manifold and running engine, no smoke.
so replaced turbo only to then kill 2 clutches and a gearbox since
sorry to ramble but just thought i share my experiences on this annoying smoke tendancy after engine work, chin up man be worth it when its done!
takes the piss a lil dun it.
well the car is now all fixed up and running and has a 12 month ticket.
i will list the problems to start
. piston 1 had half the piston missing were the rings sit
. piston 4 had cracked were the gudgeon pin sits
. piston 3 the gudgeon pin had slid out and scored the liner.
.all the big end bearings were melted due to very low oil pressure
.turbo had seized were it had been starved of oil.
.the head gasket that had been replaced wasnt torqued down correctly due to oil and water being in the thread holes.
.no spark due to the wiring loom being wired up wrong and being melted.
the car needed 3 things to get it through the mot little patch of rust on the subframe to be welded exhaust middle section bracket missing and brake bias valve needed some penetrating to free it up a little.
james keep the oil changes regular
Richie, did you put up a photo of the piston?
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