What's the going rate for a 182 engine these days?
What's the going rate for a 182 engine these days?
Looking at the prices of cars prob cheaper to buy a whole car then remove the bits you want and sell the rest on to claw money backOriginally Posted by car.crash
They are rock bottom. I will message you with my predicament and see what you think
i got a guy i work with who has a whole engine/subframe combo off a clio 182 for £600
Thanks mark.
That's roughly where I thought they were at.
Going to have to try harder to get the car price lower.
You keeping it n/a? If so I'd suggest a phase 1 172 setup, bigger exhaust ports. If its going on track or very fast road then 172 phase 2 gearbox as the overall gearing is shorter than the phase 1 which is better for turbo or comfy n/a road use.
Marc, I have some setups if you don't want the experience of buying a whole car and breaking it just for loom engine and gearbox.... Just give me a shout if you like.
As far as I'm aware there isn't any difference between 172 and 182 engines? Unless somebody knows different? I know as Matt said, ph1 had bigger valves but that's about it? The other difference is just inlet and exhaust manifold and a slightly tweaked map or have I missed something?
I know this is still available, if you're buying a 182 with snapped belts you'll already have the bit you'd need to convert plus I know he'll do a good price
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=31054
Thanks guys I appreciate the help.
Car is described as having a rattle by a friend. I've viewed it and heard nothing but he assures me its their.
It's on 110k and cambelt was done 30k ago. Not sure if dephaser was done along side it or not. He was told its a follower or lifter but he was sceptical about it.
Followers/lifters would be constant, dephasers can be affected by poor oil. Changing oil and filter can solve the intermittent rattle. If it's had it though it's big bucks as I'm sure you're aware as it's new cam belt time, still cheaper than a new engine though
Rattle when hot and goes when revved? Classic dephaser.
Light tapping on load could be a follower, I have a race car in at the moment which is puzzling me re a rattle too....it only happens on full acceleration.
Will more than likely be dephaser on it's way out Marc, had it on 2 I've bought.
The clio's don't seem to be worth a great deal TBH, nobody wanted the black 172 we were selling that had been keyed. Thats had a full service, belts, tensioners, plugs, de phaser... & top end rebuild 5000 miles ago, we only wanted £1300 for it on an 04
Looks like it will be getting broken now for parts as they do break up really well..
Marc, I'm guessing the correct grade and oil type has been used?
If you like, you can borrow one of my dephaser solenoids a to see if that makes any difference. Easy to get to, one 10mm bolt and a connection to change, also check the old/original one for crap lodged in the filter.
It was my friends wife's car so she probs used 2 stroke oil
I'm toying with getting it so I shall keep you posted. I think it rattles under load when warm as I heard nothing when it was cold.
Just spoke to the owner. It rattles constantly when warm and its the top end.
It's not long had a oil change but he doesn't know what oil they used.
Last edited by car.crash; 20-03-2013 at 12:28.
Dephaser......rattle when hot from top end is a classic symptom.
Good bargaining point for buying the car cheaply, do a cambelt and dephaser. Then enjoy 40+ mpg at 85mph (if the timing is set properly).
Give me a shout if you do get it and need the tools for cambelt and dephaser change,I have them all.
2005 in light blue with air con, xenons and leather etc.
clean car nice and tidy with 110k.
Fresh mot and 5 months tax.
At a guess what's it worth?
Last edited by car.crash; 20-03-2013 at 13:08.
Nice!!
All standard?
With the rattle its probably no more than £1800/2000.
Yep it's all standard. I have recovery sorted too.
I will view it this weekend and see if its as good as it looks.
Without the rattle would it be worth £2500 or is that to high?
Tad high for the milage.
You can drive the car (depending on how bad the dephaser rattle is) for a while without too much trouble.
..... But, if your are buying the car for say £1400 it may be worth punting on at an offers only range of that £2500 after fixing it up.
Nice one thanks Matt.
I would say £2500 was a bargain, for some reason they pull a premium in norfolk as there is more demand than supply. Seen 172s on forecourts for £3k+ still, was offered £2k for my 53 plate cup from 3 dealers. Kept it in the end as they're a great all round car, just worth more in bits.
Although that one hasn't got either cup packs and high miles which would put a few people off, not having the cup packs that is, the f4r seems to get better with age.
If dephaser is getting changed you can easily swap lifters while you're there, would eliminate both problems
Would either problem be obvious once I started stripping the engine.
Don't need to strip it to diagnose the dephaser, check you tube for dephaser noise on clio.
Followers are rare to fail unless some trauma has happened in the past, ie valve and piston clash.
I wouldn't know to be honest, hopefully matt can tell you.
Edit, beat me to it.
Mine only does low-mid 30's at 85mph
My cupra R gives me 28 average if I'm steady so the Clio will be better on juice and its a cheap car so I would also track it.
I have recovery sorted and a price agreed with the seller so I will view it this weekend and decide then.
Sounds like your timing is out.....Mine only does low-mid 30's at 85mph
My phase 1 has returned 48mpg on the way home from the brands hatch workshop just now.
It did 19mpg when we did a trackday in it with two racers trying hard
Sounds like your timing is out.....
My phase 1 has returned 48mpg on the way home from the brands hatch workshop just now.
I remember the other year in Rickay's white ph1 getting 53mpg on the way to the 'ring. I couldn't believe how far we got on one tank
I still need to bring the car over to you at some point to listen to my gearbox. Although it hasn't sounded as bad lately. How much grief is it to check the timing?
Its just the two cam end seals to check the timing, a little bit more to adjust it though....
I move into the new/bigger workshop soon, not a problem to check it over for you.
The phase 1 has slightly longer gears so on a steady run its better on fuel than the phase 2's.
I'll have to sort a time out with you at some point
Would it be easier to remove the engine to swap the cambelt if I don't have the specialist tools.
Edit
Sh1t idea as its got aircon
No....
Dephaser pulley! I use to eat them for breakfast at Renault.
The hardest part I found was getting the sodding aux belt on.. cambelt was piss easy
Just been reading up these dephasers and it seems its a nightmare job and it can't be done without specialist tools.
I've seen costs from 300 to 600 quid.
I don't get all the silly prices. 2 belts and a dephaser are around £200 so how are they charging £400 labour. This sh1t puts me right off buying it as I have to use these specialists.
marc, can you not ask matt {code red} for a qoute????????
I'm sure he would be able to help but, there's always a but.
I can't drive the car as I won't be insured and it will be sorn due to no insurance and won't be legal until I sell the leon and swap the policy over but I can't do that if the Clio is not running.
It's got fail all over it right now and I need a rethink.
Found a place on ebay that will hire the correct tools so that may be half the battle.
A £500 repair takes the edge off a cheap car.
I have a trailer, the tools if you wanted to borrow them, or I could do it all for you.... Can't say fairer than that.....
That's quality thanks Matt.
Getting the car to you would be hassle and for you to pick it up and drag it both ways wouldn't be cost efficient but if you have the tools I would be grateful if I could hire them and if lost or damaged they would be fully paid for no questions asked. I understand if that's a no go but thought I would ask.
Right now I still don't know if I'm even on the right song sheet but need to prepare for the worst I guess.
Jumping out of a vag car into a frenchie with a rattle engine. I must be mental
No worries.
The majority of the job is clearing space, front bumper off, headlamp out, aux belt and tensioner.......
If the car is cheap enough, why not do it......you had an R5 in the past and we all have to keep our sense of humour when it comes to French cars.
These things do drive well if looked after, but its every mans choice at the end of the day.
If you do get proper cold feet about the car give me a pm with how much it is going for, as I may be able to 're home it ' so to speak.
I can do all the stripping of the "in the way bits" then just need someone to do the cambelt and that's it, I can refit all the other bits in my garage.
I'm not confident on cambelts and these seem a bad place to learn.
The parts don't seem to bad but its the labour which was killing it but people don't work for free and its clearly a big job. As said I can strip all the other bits ready for the cambelt swap.
You are more than halfway there stripping and fitting the bits so it would work out ok that way.
The cambelt you want is the Gates belt, genuine dephaser from renault and I highly advise a new aux belt and tensioner/rollers kit if you plan on keeping the car.
Get that lot priced up and see how you feel after that.
Come on mark... It's only a cam belt.. I've not done one on a Renault, but it's only a matter of lining all the marks up.. I'm sure Turboted would lend a hand.
It's not that simple Dave from what I've read, no woodruff keys and you need the proper tools. That said it doesn't seem much of a issue with the proper tools but they don't come cheap. Matt has offered me the use of his though so thanks Matt.
I won't sit here and bull****, I'm out of my depth with this one.
When I changed the aux/tensioner and w/pump on the white 172 it took me a most of the morning and that was on the floor at home, access is aided by bumper/headlight out. Everybody will help and chip in. I'm working sat, out sat night for a fam dinner. But i'll be around yours Sunday if you want to use vag 5052 for the leon
I deffo need the leon g85 recaibrated please mate. It takes 30 mins but the light comes on every time. Can't sell it like that.
I'll bring it home Saturday mate.
I'm playing golf then I can Bring it over. I will call you.
a reason in why i got the cupra mate im afraid,seen a 172 but still little things i was like hmmmmmmmmmmm ant to sure bout that.cars been spot on tbh done 4k in it part from a few things its all been good,only thing is i would of liked to get the cupra r,theres still a megan 265 in liquid yellow i drive past every dayThat's quality thanks Matt.
Right now I still don't know if I'm even on the right song sheet but need to prepare for the worst I guess.
Jumping out of a vag car into a frenchie with a rattle engine. I must be mental
That was immense, we still had enough in the tank to get to the Ring and a lap.... All with the same fuel filled up in England
I remember the other year in Rickay's white ph1 getting 53mpg on the way to the 'ring. I couldn't believe how far we got on one tankMart having to fill up the Evo with us having plenty on board.
You can't go far wrong in buying 1, the biggest or most expensive job done on them is the dephaser, belts. If you get the car cheap enough then its worth a punt.
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