And that's a good thing for fb if you mention someone they are notified perhaps people miss certain things and questions bud.. So much and so many threads even I loose trackOriginally Posted by casper
And that's a good thing for fb if you mention someone they are notified perhaps people miss certain things and questions bud.. So much and so many threads even I loose track
Thanks, we can do something for him then.
that would be great if you could, like i say i have linked alex to it so he will get a notification to that post
I am happy to pay a higher amount, £5 is not going to hurt.
I have mentioned before, do we not have information on the renault5gtturbo.com site, I'm sure it's free to join, how many members it has etc would that then give the club some idea if its the joining fee is the problem.
Agree on the getting other cars interested, I like most Renault hatches tbh but this site is just seen as a gt turbo site, the cars are dwindling so something needs to give.
Nothing much goes on in the club up and down the country, it needs more meets and get some real buzz about it like scoffs r/r day last year. I would love to look through pictures of meets from all over the country instead of watching the same old restoration threads all the time.
I can say from my own experiance I log on less and less these days.
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I've had my 5 for about 6/7 years now and always thought about joining but never have! prob because i dont think my 5's good enough compaired to the nice straight ones that are on there.
Blunty, PM the chaps user name and email address he used and I'll sort it
ok mate iv just asked him for details just waiting on reply
Scoffs rr day was my second outing and it was quality.
that was the last rr day i organised on rtoc, the other 2 were great successes as well especially the pfc mag featured one
Cool
Could the club get a small advert in some of the French mags offering a discount on the membership.
I'm registered on I think about 10 car web sites and out of them i think there is only a few where there is a joining fee.
Could the club not have a free joining fee and the option for a donation to the site, or maybe charge a fee for using the for sale section, of have restricted areas for full paying members.
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Because you have to pay 25 quid if you've been away for a while! would re-join if it was 10, as have been a member.
well thats our first old member now rejoined after a 5 yr absence (aly b)
It has quite alot of members but it's deader than a dodo on there most of the time apart from the odd newbie & spammer TBH
Not having a dig but I think Andy's facebook page has near killed it as you get the same & more from his page (Facebook is the in thing & everyone is on it), progress & all that
i honestly dont think fb pages can ever kill forums surely? fb is good for certain things which iv mentioned a few times but a forum will always be a much more focused/dedicated place for us.
Why join a forum when facebook is easier, people are always on there, you get notified of things easier, yadda yadda. Like I say not a dig buddy, just saying they get alot of bang for no bucks from the FB site & someone is always on to give advice/abuse
Andy,I don't know you but you strike me as a good lad with plenty of enthusiasm so wether its Facebook or rtoc both will benefit with you on board.
thanks jon
We have a big advert, but haven't offered discount on joining.But what do they offer?We'd lose too much money, more than half our income = no ND.Is it free to register and some some of the site, the rest is restricted. Classifieds is free if anyone new, other than spammers, can find it. I did talk about starting to charge a fee for advertising, like Pistonheads, but it didn't go anywhere as we'd need to change the software.
I think there is a feeling that to rejoin from a lapsed membership £25 would be charged.
So a flat rate would stop that erroneous belief. Provided those people weren't still put off by £15.
I wonder if the site would be more attractive if the articles and classifieds sections were easier to see and use.
It's ok, I don't get on FB that much, but if you could keep us posted on here that would be great
Just seen you've helped an old member re-join. Good darts mate
The mlr site is free to join but you only get 30 free posts a month. It would give people full access to the site to get a bit of a feel for it.
think the fee maintains nd and pod also this site so if we could get the joining fee down as much as possible and not restrict members in any way it would be better, cliqe and all that.
What with parts getting more desirable and expensive I see the shop playing more of a role.
from what i can see there should be another 3 old members rejoining and 2 new members so in total 6 not bad for just a few hours last night on fb
Well done blunty
Well done blunty
Great stuff.
The word needs to go around (everywhere, not just FB), that if you were an RTOC member previously, that it's not going to cost £25 to rejoin.
More meets needs more members. We're too thinly spread. Plenty goes on up and down the country in proportion to how many active members there are.
As for 'the same old restoration threads' Phil, for me they have been the best thing about RTOC in the last couple of years (yours especially). A lot more GTT's saved from the scrap heap, improved quality of work, it's been really exciting to watch as more and more resto threads have appeared. I've learnt a lot and the encouragement from other members to get the job finished has resulted in some great outcomes!
Agree on both points Trev. More members would get more of a buzz on the site and get more meets organised, we can blame a lot on the weather last year, but i have been available for a local meets for a good 3 years now, im even prepared to travel so far and thats saying something in those dam seats of mineI think the guys down south seem to do there bit on meets better than us northern folk
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As for builds i like them to, especially when done to a high standard or a really trick engine conversion. This was not meant as a dig, just we need some really good buzz threads about local meets, r/r days, track days, ring trips and our national day.
I have not been on the site for as long as some, but its regrettable that threads like this keep popping up looking for ways to get numbers up and organize better days out.
Think we are all guilty of the same bug, standard looking cars are whats desirable now, gone are the day of carisma kits and crazy exhausts popping out of tailgates and anyone ever putting a car on like that would get ripped to shreds and never come back.
Ditching the gt turbo label with this site and getting other renault members on board is the way forwards imo
Great that bluntys back on the scene, good stuff.
i haven't read the whole thread so maybe it has been mentioned before but the thing that kept me from joining the club was the lack of access without being a paid member.
i didn't knew the club or forum but been told there's alot of knowledge around here, i was fortunate i had a friend who was a member already so i could have a peek inside.
after that i decided to join up for myself. maybe it's a good idea to give new members full acces for a week or so, or maybe still restricted access but more into the technical discussions. so they can see for themselves how much this club has to offer.
ofcourse there will always be lads who only look for info that week and never join but hey, would they have joined otherwise?
It's not a bad idea, if it's technically possible, to have like a 'x' number of days full pass for free. Could it be controlled by IP address?
I think the idea of letting people have x amount time free is not technically possible with our software...
Unless perhaps Scoff were to find a way to write some more custom hacks which is not likely. There is a timer he created that shows the 30 day notice before account expiry. we're not going to manually keep a list and give every new member a free period, it has to be automatically done by the system.
It's further complicated by us having to fully moderate all new applications. That is we now manually vet every one of them as that seems to be the only way to stop spammers registering at a rate of several per day. Penfold found 550 spammers as registered users! We've been deleting them but it takes time.
A new hobby for me over the last few weeks has been checking each IP address and adding it to a banned list within the RTOC vB forum. I'm now seeing that's not working as banned IP's are being re-used.
I think we have found the very first task we need to look at as a priority.......the website! I agree with all that a free trial would be beneficial in the long run. I also think that we should provide some free memberships to some lucky people of other relative clubs who can hopefully spread the joy and attend national day.
Ian,
the commitee really needs to get together now and discuss the way forward. People are coming up with ideas and are willing to help out but this must be controlled by the club officials as people are now implementing ideas of their own withought discussion from the club hierachy!
Matt, the reason these things are starting to happen ad-hoc is because good ideas in the past haven't had backing from the committee. Not because they weren't good ideas but because there wasn't enough capacity within committee's spare time to discuss and implement them. They've been waiting for a simple flyer update for a year for goodness sake.
A lot of the committee's time is taken up by keeping the website running (which includes the shop), and organising and paying for ND. The technical issues with the website are manifold and the ND a pain in the butt from all perspectives, including financial.
Then you have committee members leaving which makes it yet more difficult for those that remain.
So it's no surprise that there are people who have decided to just get on and do things.
You are right though, ideally it should all be done under the guidance of the committee and the only way to do that is to reform the way people get on and off it, enlarge the number of roles, define roles/responsibilities and then fill the bloody positions with people who can devote enough time to the club.
I'd like to know just how much coherence and communication there is between committee members. Is there even a weekly conference call to chat about club matters for example? Skype works a treat.
Communication.... erm can be limited.... can be very indepth...
Thats why we have the boards for us, so we can access it 24/7....Heres a screenshot
We do hold conference calls when we need to discuss things like ND/POD... but with most things not everyone was able to commit (Myself being one of those as I worked evenings/overnight and weekend)
But I would say communication been us isnt to bad, we also have each other telephone numbers to call/txt, email address and can pm via here...
I do think that we could do with a few new members on board either as Committee or part of the RTOC team...
Ooh, really interesting
Good to see there's some structure. I notice 5 threads have seen action since the turn of the year.
Old events calendar - 0 replies
Filling roles 2013 - 4 replies
PFC advertising - 4 replies
Membership renewals
RTOC festival - 7 replies
I realise that there will be a lot of ongoing work with memberships but are there things going on that aren't reflected in the screenshot? As (ignoring the membership thread), there's less than 1 committee post a day since the New Year. With 8 people on the committee (I think), it means an average of less than 1 post per week, per committee member...
EDIT - I don't mean that to sound like nobody on the committee does anything but it would be good to understand how much is done and by who. Otherwise how can you identify what needs tending to.
Trev, Remember that over the winter its pretty quiet for us...
ND has already been booked and was booked along time ago...
Website is pretty much ticking over, we have been let down so much with professional companies, we cant seem to find anybody willing to do the custom work for RTOC.
The biggest issue recently was Spammers (Notice how recently we havent had the forum spammed)
The Koni suspension kit was more or less 99% arranged by Wallace (think it was him anyway), He and Ian S no doubt exchanged a few emails - committee didnt need to be involved as such...
Now we have this thread all these new ideas/people offering to help I have no doubt the committee boards will get a flurry of action...
Thanks Penfold, and thanks for continuing to answer my questions
It makes sense that it's a quiet period in January but then if that's the case, from a member's perspective you'd hope that with the breathing room this time of year affords, some of the good ideas posted by the membership base in threads over the previous 12 months might have been collated and perhaps looked at. To see what might have potential.
It does seem that there needs to be constant chivvying up of each other within the leadership but then I guess that's natural when folk are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
You're right, here does seem to have been some really good impetus from this thread so I do hope it's picked up on.
Incidentally, from your point of view, is there anyone in the committee that is really leading from the front?
Ian S is the back bone of RTOC/Committee - Love him or Hate him (I am sure he will admit sometimes his Passion for RTOC gets peoples backs up)Thanks Penfold, and thanks for continuing to answer my questions
It makes sense that it's a quiet period in January but then if that's the case, from a member's perspective you'd hope that with the breathing room this time of year affords, some of the good ideas posted by the membership base in threads over the previous 12 months might have been collated and perhaps looked at. To see what might have potential.
It does seem that there needs to be constant chivvying up of each other within the leadership but then I guess that's natural when folk are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
You're right, here does seem to have been some really good impetus from this thread so I do hope it's picked up on.
Incidentally, from your point of view, is there anyone in the committee that is really leading from the front?
Ian does do soooo much work behind the scenes, emails, telephone calls, PM's etc...
I feel the committee dont need to get any bigger... Personally just needs to ask members to help, elect members to be RTOC helpers as such.
Knowing Ian and speaking to him it sounds like you need one more role - Ian's go-getter.
To face inward, to chase round/encourage/assist other committee members where progress appears slow, and to make the group more cohesive, and also to face outward to the membership base to collect/collate all good ideas (and provide insight as to the interim status on matters that seem to have drifted).
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Trev I pretty much agree with your comments above and the rest of your posts in this thread
It's obvious that people are passionate and want to get their ideas heard and implemented. They just want to get on and do it! The problems come when The ideas aren't discussed within the committee thoroughly and limit the possibility of some thing backfiring against the club. I know of one instance on another thread where a member has come up with a great idea for a you tube channel and a committee member has said 'just do it' with i guess no details of what's to be included on the channel or suggested to have the rest of the commitee /club to moderate prior to going live!
IMO that's pretty irresponsible and would certainly not be tolerated in any other organisation with a correct structure in place!
Maybe it's come to the point where the club should look at becoming a business with a paid team to oversee the daily tasks.
I agree with that Matt. Perhaps Steve thought that no-one on the committee would do it.
I think there isn't the income to pay people to run the club. Also we'd need to pay tax, banking fees, and have audited accounts.
It's not the spanish inquisition Matt, were an internet based car club. I don't see the harm in creating an RTOC youtube channel that will help pull all of the various video's taken at various RTOC days/events together in one place, rather than searching youtube looking for them?
I've said before Matt, if someone would like to take over from me they're welcome to it, no hard feelings. I'd be delighted to go back to just attending the events etc.
Neither does anyone else
The point was simply that the content might be better being committee vetted, that all
Who's going to sit & be the censor then Ian? What are the right attributes for that position? You'd dam near have to be a magistrate or maybe Judge Dredd. Why make more work and red tape for the committee to do?Neither does anyone else
The point was simply that the content might be better being committee vetted, that all
Just my view.
That's why we need bigger committee
Leading on from other thread, Robbo is right that there are hardly any committee left. I personally have invested three full days this week into the RTOC. How about you?
Three days that I NEEDED to be doing other stuff, but here the need was greater but I'm not going to carry on putting in the hours like I used to. The load needs to be better shared.
Vet the footage lol, I'm with Steve, is this china are we under censorship? Maybe it's Russia post ww2
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