My engine rebuild

[Nottswoody]

So it was YOU who changed all the nurofen for anti-psychotic medicine

Now that I contractually can not talk about.. I will text you

[chris]

If I have to kiss a few asses to get 200bhp so be it lol

[Nottswoody]

Right so iv cleaned and iv painted.. Now to strip the oil pump anyone no off there head the tolerances?

[Jonny5]

Right so iv cleaned and iv painted.. Now to strip the oil pump anyone no off there head the tolerances?

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=4730

Some good info in here ^

Edit :- Hmmm looks like the pictures went with the old site

[Nottswoody]

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=4730

Some good info in here ^

Edit :- Hmmm looks like the pictures went with the old site

So I may need to replace the oil pump vein cgb want £91 is there anywhere better? Not sure moke dose these..

[Nottswoody]

So I may need a vernier to dial in the cam.. Who's got one they don't need?

[Nottswoody]

So I may need a vernier to dial in the cam.. Who's got one they don't need?

That would be a no then lol I didn't mean for free it may not matter it's going in for welding today I put the jack through the floor thanks to mike I got new jacking points iv asked him to be ruthless tell me how bad it really is I know it was re silled in 06 but you never know with these old motors. Fingers crossed..

[Nottswoody]

Bit of progress today 4hrs matching the gasket to head today very boring but if it helps it will be worth it.. Took the head to bits so it can go and get a light skim checked cleaned etc etc.. Painted bits and had my new jacking point welded on today.. And now my backs killing me so time for some six nations

Tomorrow bit more painting then finally start building her back up.. Monday order a new vernier off mike and a oil pump from cgb as I don't think mike dose pumps.. Busy busy

[Nottswoody]

Damn it forgot to get a piston clamp. Off to halfords and then it building time.. In the Haynes it says start rebuild by putting bearings in. Surely it's put the liners in then clamp them then flip it over an do the bearings?

[GTphil]

crank first, then pistons and liners, the Haynes is pretty good for what order to do things in, once it's all tourqed, check it rotates freely, then do the same for each piston\liner\bearing that goes in.

have you checked the liner protrusion with a straight edge and feeler blade? They are suppost to be stepped from one end to the other, I found they were all the pretty much the same on my engine to they just went in in any old order, you don't need the seals inplace to check the protrusion.

protrusion is how much they poke out of the top of the block so the gasket can seal round the liners.

[Nottswoody]

Cheers phil I will do that

[R5MJH]

crank first, then pistons and liners, the Haynes is pretty good for what order to do things in, once it's all tourqed, check it rotates freely, then do the same for each piston\liner\bearing that goes in.

have you checked the liner protrusion with a straight edge and feeler blade? They are suppost to be stepped from one end to the other, I found they were all the pretty much the same on my engine to they just went in in any old order, you don't need the seals inplace to check the protrusion.

protrusion is how much they poke out of the top of the block so the gasket can seal round the liners.

also if ya fitting new parts on crank especially check the end float too there needs to have a tiny bit of end to end play boss

[Nottswoody]

Is the Clio 172 oil pump the same as a c1j?

[James5]

Is the Clio 172 oil pump the same as a c1j?

No mate totally different

[Nottswoody]

No mate totally different

Thank you

[Nottswoody]

Taking my new head for some clean up and a light skim and take the seals out an then it's operation build up nipper is at nursery the mrs is having her hair done i should hey a couple of hrs in today

[Trevhib]

More progress pics required in this thread

[Nottswoody]

More progress pics required in this thread

My photobucket won't let me back in mate since updating my iPhone.. Otherwise I would.

Right so having it skimmed £35 valves cut and reseated de coked £25 bargin he's a really nice chap and he also said I did a good job matching the ports top bloke..

[Nottswoody]

So end of play today all new bearings and rings are in cranks polished and fitted all torqued up ep cam is in just waiting for a vernier that I bought today hopefully get here tomorrow the heads in the shop.. It's the timing I'm worried about..

Parts needed now are rods and cam followers as this engine didn't come with any

Not bad so far.. Time for a cupper

[Nottswoody]

More progress pics required in this thread

Pics on profile now but how do I get them on my thread on my iPhone?

[Trevhib]

[Trevhib]

Go to the pics in your RTOC album, right click on one of them, 'copy image URL', come to this thread, click reply, click on the 'insert image' button (fifth from the right), ctrl-v (which is a shortcut for paste), 'submit reply'.

Would be easy to do the lot in one go (i.e. in one post), with a second browser tab open. One on the thread, one on the pics and just switch between them and keep pasting the image links in.

[Nottswoody]

Thanks trev but I only have a iPhone the mrs won't let me have a pc she said I will make myself blind from all the porn

[Nottswoody]

Couldn't get ahold of mike.. So I shopped at cgb piper vernier and oil pump and dissy plus valve stems orderd at 1pm yesterday and at my door at 930 can't complain at that.. And the build moves on

[Jonny5]

Woody has asked me to upload a few pics of him progressing through his strip down and then rebuild

[Trevhib]

Thanks trev but I only have a iPhone the mrs won't let me have a pc she said I will make myself blind from all the porn

Sorry mate, I keep forgetting.

Can you not still do this on an iPhone (albeit one pic at a time)? I guess the right-click part of the process is the only issue?

[hickman]

You can still upload photos on your iphone download the app photo bucket upload ur pics to that and use the URL it gives you for each pic

[Jonny5]

All pics were uploaded on my iphone. Using photobucket app and copying image links into thread.

[Nottswoody]

Well I just had te misfortune of dealing with prima racing.. Went to get a timing disc for £2 that was the good part.. I asked advice on setting up the EP CAM I bought he snapped and said "who? What is EP what's the spec were did you get it from? Basically very rude and uninterested at any questions I had.. I only asked as it said Ian nuttle racing all over the walls and I asked if he would be able to tell me the best way to time this up.. Then he snapped and said have you got a vernier I said yes piper he then said well why have you bought different items.. I said what dose it matter? He then said I haven't got time for this and walked off.. The lady at the counter was nice enough though. But one things for shaw prima can kiss my ass you won't see any of my money.. Pity as its on my doorstep..

Any way Weres this idiots guide to timing lol never done this before..

Oh and he also said Rtoc who?

[Romil Davda]

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=31422

Cam timing - this can take quite a bit of time, so I am told... Let us know how yo get on.

[Big Steve - Raider]

Search for my thread Dummies guide to timing cam.

[Nottswoody]

Search for my thread Dummies guide to timing cam.

just doing that now bud..

My heads still of so should be easy enough for me although I too have never done this

[Big Steve - Raider]

just doing that now bud..

My heads still of so should be easy enough for me although I too have never done this

Yeah do it with the head off. You need a DTI Gauge, Timing Disk and a piece of a wire coathanger to bend into your marker arrow

[Nottswoody]

Bugger no dti gauge just my eyes

[Nottswoody]

Would you friggin believe it I live in a world of plastic coat hangers lol never in my life have I needed one as much as I do now!!

[Nottswoody]

Gave up need to read up more and maybe leave it till the heads back on iv just aligned it to how the Haynes says and go from there I think.. It's too cold and my toes are freezing... Defeated and I hate being defeated..

[R5MJH]

Gave up need to read up more and maybe leave it till the heads back on iv just aligned it to how the Haynes says and go from there I think.. It's too cold and my toes are freezing... Defeated and I hate being defeated..

its easier to dti wiv head off paul it will take time to get it spot on but practice makes perfect, magnetic dti and stand £20 on ebay look in my engine build pics and you can see how to set up

here

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=28420

[Nottswoody]

its easier to dti wiv head off paul it will take time to get it spot on but practice makes perfect, magnetic dti and stand £20 on ebay look in my engine build pics and you can see how to set up

here

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=28420

Top man I can see two things I was doing wrong for a start

[R5MJH]

Top man I can see two things I was doing wrong for a start

no probs mate i got it near with stand cam pulley first then changed for vernier to get spot on my advice find true TDC first before you even start timing cam mate any probs pm me mick

[Logg]

its easier to dti wiv head off paul it will take time to get it spot on but practice makes perfect, magnetic dti and stand £20 on ebay look in my engine build pics and you can see how to set up

here

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=28420

Excatly what I bought last week. to check mine and Dan's timing with.

[R5MJH]

Excatly what I bought last week. to check mine and Dan's timing with.

they are cheap but work perfect andy, you at this meet tom be good to see you and dan

[Nottswoody]

Going to order one tomorrow cheers. God the amount of tools I bought I might start my own garage up thanks guys

[R5MJH]

Going to order one tomorrow cheers. God the amount of tools I bought I might start my own garage up thanks guys

i know we had to buy a few but luckily my mate got a garage so i used alot of his snap on stuff

[Nottswoody]

i know we had to buy a few but luckily my mate got a garage so i used alot of his snap on stuff

I will be building the one that comes out of my car up aswell see were iv gone right or wrong with this newish build.. We will see

[R5MJH]

as long as cam timing is spot on you will be fine i checked ours 3 times before i put back together, get it right while engines out its a pain to do in bay

[Tony Walker]

as long as cam timing is spot on you will be fine i checked ours 3 times before i put back together, get it right while engines out its a pain to do in bay

definetly easier to do before its fitted, once fitted its a right pita.

[Nottswoody]

definetly easier to do before its fitted, once fitted its a right pita.

Easier for someone who's done it I will ask again once I get the tools

[Tony Walker]

may of timed loads of cars but not very often you do it with a DTI gauge so was a reletively new experience for me too

[Nottswoody]

Yeah do it with the head off. You need a DTI Gauge, Timing Disk and a piece of a wire coathanger to bend into your marker arrow

Dti orderd should be here Friday so can some one spell out even show with pics what I do after the tdc is found its the timing of the cam and how to measure that that's blowing my mind as the vernier doesn't have the - mark on their.. I'm sure it's very easy but its not to me lol

[Trevhib]

I see Prima are still a bunch of hairy bags then.

There have been no end of Prima threads on this club over years and I've said the same thing in every one. Stay away.

There should be statement given to all new members.

"Don't bother with Prima unless you absolutely have to. If you do, go prepared, don't let them touch your car and don't take any crap."