B18FT Rear engined RWD 5GTT (Scoff old 5)

[James5]

Well things have taken a turn for the worse, couple of update pics attached. I have not driven the car at all in my ownership and have only started engine once for no more than 3-5 mins max and noted idle was crap put it down to being cold engine.

Today I went to play with the ECU and see if I could get it running nice and sort out idle out but I unfortunatly didn't even get that far.

Car wouldn't start just coughed and spluttered within sec's smoke, had a look and noticed oil coming out of the exhaust manifold between the turbo. I took turbo off as I know this was fine and noticed the oil coming out of exhaust manifold cleaned up the manifold, joined the turbo oil feed with drain and cranked engine again with no fuel pump on and sure enough more oil coming out of the exhaust manifold, removed the sparkies and they are covered in oil Suspected fecked valve guide's can't be bothered to fix the b18ft. I was under the impression this engine was fine ohwell **** happens to me again. Anyway long story short 1.7 is thrown in the shed corner and now doing a 1.8t 20v engine conversion (pic of donor car attached)

Edit
Adding some links for me to read with regards to 20v conversion mounting

Flans williams 20v

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=19479

Scoff vw 5 album

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/album.php?albumid=264

[R5MJH]

thats kin b@llox james you paid good money too, kin b@llox, i suppose the ONLY plus is the new engine setup tc mate mick

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

Crap.... I guess you don't need those bits I set aside for you now then?

[James5]

Crap.... I guess you don't need those bits I set aside for you now then?

I still want the bits matey

[dangerous dave]

It could only happen to you.... Most people would have chuck the tampon in, but I'm sure you'll turn it around again..

[LiamR]

That's pretty friggin annoying that you bought it thinking and being told the engine was fine.

The guy who you bought it from came to mine to pick up the louvred bonnet that you have fitted. He did seem nice enough and knew his stuff. So a shame the engine is boll#xed

[Tutuur]

bollox mate!

however a 20vt swap is pretty reasonable! just buy the package, convert it, map it and off you go!

if i hadn't already have a completely built f7r i would've chosen the 20vt route too i think.

btw, when the engine's out anyway could you make me some detailed pics of the engine cover structure and mods to the car?

i already have some things planned in my head but it's always good to get some inspiration, especially from this one as it was in fully working order!

cheers mate

[James5]

Engine out was much easier than I thought

Gives me a chance to tidy up the boot bay area

[5teve L]

I bet Lauren loves you at the mo best get

[James5]

I bet Lauren loves you at the mo best get

She was painting yet again so I took the opportunity to play with the car it didnt take long at all had it all out within an hour. And then watched Taken 2

[car.crash]

Is this the car that Elcie had?
Does it have a pair of sparco rev buckets fitted in black

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

I still want the bits matey

Ok, I'll keep them to one side.

[DaveL485]

The engine was installed by the guy who had it before me, after the original one gave up. It was sourced from a 340(?) Turbo on eBay bought spares/repairs for the lump which was reportedly good. It was fitted but never went anywhere until I bought it, after I did some work on (other stuff) I drove it to the MOT station and back with no issues including a genuine pass. No oil leaks, no blue smoke and certainly not oil coming out as you pictured.

The only other time I drove it was to put it on the buyers trailer. I guess somewhere between here, and you, its been driven on heavy throttle- thats what killed the last lump too seeing as its not mapped right.

Sorry to hear the news mate!

[Scoff]

Hmn, the last engine wasn't mapped because it was forever pressurising preventing me from doing any kind of real map. So was there another engine in between ? Ah but then I heard the owner before you Dave had not been told that it was not mapped ! And so presumably killed it the first time he tried big throttle. That'll do it

[James5]

I would say the engine was changed as it's not a clean engine like the magazine shoots from back in the day it is a very dirty engine on the outside for the mileage it would have covered which is prob next to nothing , I would agree it was prob on its way out been driven hard on the base map. Wish I could have driven it with the B18ft in place bit never mind lets move on 20v t conversion

[Logg]

Sorry to here this James chin up, 20v lump sounds like a great choice

The engine was installed by the guy who had it before me, after the original one gave up. It was sourced from a 340(?) Turbo on eBay bought spares/repairs for the lump which was reportedly good.

I wonder if it was my mate Iain's old 340 with 440 turbo lump. He built a 2.0 b18ft lump for the new owner of it a few years ago, think he used a Laguna crank as well loads of other stuff.

[DaveL485]

Hmn, the last engine wasn't mapped because it was forever pressurising preventing me from doing any kind of real map. So was there another engine in between ? Ah but then I heard the owner before you Dave had not been told that it was not mapped ! And so presumably killed it the first time he tried big throttle. That'll do it

It was rebuilt from that, and popped again as my buddy didnt know it wasnt mapped, whatsisface told him it was.

[Gttnutter]

Got a complete mk4 1.8t golf on a Y plate. Cable throttle. Big port head. AGU

It's actually a clean inside out good car mot and some tax. Nothing wrong bar a bait of play in wishbone bushes. Engine and box healthy.

[James5]

Got a complete mk4 1.8t golf on a Y plate. Cable throttle. Big port head. AGU

It's actually a clean inside out good car mot and some tax. Nothing wrong bar a bait of play in wishbone bushes. Engine and box healthy.

If thats for me Rich cheers but got all that already from a mk4 golf gti Going to use the complete std setup and run it on the Adaptronic

[philg]

Sorry to here this James. You really are a glass is half full sort of guy .

1.8 20v sounds a great plan though, I will be keeping a close eye on this.

[car.crash]

Having the vag lump in the front will be mental.
Having it in the rear will be deadly.
Rip James

[tom t]

Will be sweet with the vag lump. Glad to see ure still cracking On getting stuck in bud

[James5]

Ok spent Valentines day afternoon with Steve we managed to strip most of the golf down and got the lump out. Needs a good clean and I will service it with new belts etc.. decided I am also going to use the golfs large rad and twin fan setup aswell. Also got the gearstick and linkage out and the gearknob has a nice wood effect lol Couple pics attached. Also invested in a Clarke 130en welder gas and non gas mig.

Plan is to use it in std form with the e420c and possibly fit a k04 turbo, power wise not after big power 200-250bhp . As above really dont want to kill myself.

[car.crash]

Before you fit the fans check they work on both low and high speed. On the passenger side of the rad there will be a 3 pin plug. 1 earth 1 high 1 low
The low speed resistors burn out and they only fun flat out which blows fuses.
Easy fix for around £30 or £450 for new fans.
Very common problem on those fans.

[James5]

Before you fit the fans check they work on both low and high speed. On the passenger side of the rad there will be a 3 pin plug. 1 earth 1 high 1 low
The low speed resistors burn out and they only fun flat out which blows fuses.
Easy fix for around £30 or £450 for new fans.
Very common problem on those fans.

Cheers Mark will check them out

[car.crash]

Mine went on the leon. It's more important for the AC to run but when the car reaches 90 degrees or just over then rotate on low speed. If the resistors have gone then they pulse on high and blow the fuse. You then overheat.

It was a little fiddly soldering the loom when fitted to the car and I had loads of room. You won't have much and will need to pull it out to fix.
Test it with a spare battery and 2 bits of wire to the terminals. Both fans should spin on high and low.

[James5]

Also engine is an ARY trying to find some details about it cant seem to find much info also is there a downloadable workshop manual??

[car.crash]

There may be some on ebay.
Check out ukmk4s forum. Those guys are pretty helpful and plenty of how tos etc.
you will probably want a copy of vagcom too and a lead but I'm sure they will have their recommendations.
I managed to get a workshop manual for the seat off ebay for a few quid but can't remember if it goes into detail on the engine and the laptop is now at Daves house downloading obscenities by his brother so I can't even look.
There's many differant variants of that engine so use your code.

[philr5t]

Also engine is an ARY trying to find some details about it cant seem to find much info also is there a downloadable workshop manual??

let me know what manuals you need mate and ill try and get them from my parts department at work or any info you need let me know

[Tutuur]

gotta love how helpful you guys in the UK are

[Gttnutter]

ARY is generally a 180 1.8t as is an AUQ in a anniversary.

Vw did produce a standard 1.8t golf with 180 but fare And few between. How old is the golf it came out off James? Have you still got the shell? Check the boot sticker/service book to double check the code. Most ARY's are in old tt''s.

A k04 with a good map/flow will see 250-260, rods are weakest point. Anything over 300 and you'll be having to play internal

[car.crash]

Nuggets dead right.
I would also bung a clutch in whilst its out.

[James5]

ARY is generally a 180 1.8t as is an AUQ in a anniversary.

Vw did produce a standard 1.8t golf with 180 but fare And few between. How old is the golf it came out off James? Have you still got the shell? Check the boot sticker/service book to double check the code. Most ARY's are in old tt''s.

A k04 with a good map/flow will see 250-260, rods are weakest point. Anything over 300 and you'll be having to play internal

Cheers Rich defo a ARY the car it was from is a 98 plate S reg mk4 golf. Steve still has the shell so will take Look af the area's you said. I am after 250bhp max


Marc ref clutch got a g60 flywheel to go on and need to source clutch. I also need to get hold of the hydraulic to cable conversion kit aswell. Well the mk1 mechanical bit that bolts ro box

Edit updated with pic of Donor vehicle

[Gttnutter]

The reason I asked was just to find out if it was the original engine to the car. As its an early throttle cable then perhaps..as it matches around the age of the car.

Unless of course the data stickers were changed aswell. One quick way to tell would be if the turbo was a ko3 then likely an oe engine but not 180. Audi used that engine I believe with the ko3s or even the ko4 in around 2000

[car.crash]

I thought the k04 was only on the 2 big engines. I'm sure his would be the 3 or 3s
Rich are we still good to scan my car on Monday, think the MAF has failed.

[Gttnutter]

Audi wouldn't of used a ko3 for the 180 ARY because that wouldn't of been well in the safe zone of there final production. These ary's have 19mm pins not the normal 20mm pins you see in the agu auq etc. so weaker rods which would say to me audi stuck with the ko3s.

James, you'll want to take it easy as k04+torque will work those rods hard.

That's fine still for ace. Txt me and remind me to bring it home on Monday daytime whilst at work marc

[JRP]

K04 turbos were used on the b5 rs4's and ko3 turbos were used on the b5 s4's of the same era.... Typical s4 upgrade was a k04 from k03


James this sounds beastly.

[tom t]

defo K04 sweet! another member from seatcupra.net car.crash hi dude!

[car.crash]

defo K04 sweet! another member from seatcupra.net car.crash hi dude!

[Tutuur]

could you make some pics from inside the weel arch too mate? getting a pretty big collection off pics on this car now

[James5]

could you make some pics from inside the weel arch too mate? getting a pretty big collection off pics on this car now

One 4 u Arthur I will get more

[James5]

Audi wouldn't of used a ko3 for the 180 ARY because that wouldn't of been well in the safe zone of there final production. These ary's have 19mm pins not the normal 20mm pins you see in the agu auq etc. so weaker rods which would say to me audi stuck with the ko3s.

James, you'll want to take it easy as k04+torque will work those rods hard.

That's fine still for ace. Txt me and remind me to bring it home on Monday daytime whilst at work marc

Turbo on engine at mo is a k03 - 052


Found this
http://audittmk1.blogspot.co.uk/2008...4-etc.html?m=1

[5teve L]

KO3s it looks like from those pics anyway as it has that weird compressor outlet.

[andybond]

STOP TALKING START FITTING.

Dont you start laughing Steve - get over to James and tell Lolly that James has to finish the car.

[dangerous dave]

defo K04 sweet! another member from seatcupra.net car.crash hi dude!

Marc's cars a bit of a legend in some circles on seat.net..

[James5]

STOP TALKING START FITTING.

Dont you start laughing Steve - get over to James and tell Lolly that James has to finish the car.

I am hoping to play tonight if Steve drops of my axle stands so I can drop the 5's rear subframe.

[James5]

Ok a slight update I managed to get the following done tonight

New cambelt kit fitted
New water pump fitted
I managed to snap the front block breather pipe
Painted block and gearbox
Ordered a g60 flywheel and clutch
I even managed to squeeze the mk4 golf gti rad into the car aswell tight squeeze but its in I need to make new brackets for the fuel tank support now.

Oh and subframe is ready to come out aswell now for modification

[tom t]

Is that the black plastic bit at the front of the block James? THere crap and get really brittle as you've found out lol. The breather pipes all the way up are the same so whilst its all out could be worthwhile looking for replacements. Creation motorsports on eBay are reasonable. Also the dipstick guide is the same kinda crap brittle plastic.

Hmm haven't seen much of Marc's car on seatcupra.net or do you mean his 5 over there?

[James5]

Is that the black plastic bit at the front of the block James? THere crap and get really brittle as you've found out lol. The breather pipes all the way up are the same so whilst its all out could be worthwhile looking for replacements. Creation motorsports on eBay are reasonable. Also the dipstick guide is the same kinda crap brittle plastic.

Hmm haven't seen much of Marc's car on seatcupra.net or do you mean his 5 over there?

Yeah bloody brittle plastic crap I hardley touched it and it fell apart I will check out that ebay seller you mentioned and see what I can get.
many thanks

[James5]

Slow progress I'm afraid