is it running yet then... Chop Chop!!
is it running yet then... Chop Chop!!
cripes, that all looks a bit delicateOriginally Posted by James5
well done with the conversion mate
seems you have to have a tungy grey r5 to have the conversion lol, 3rd 1 so far, many more to come im sure.
steves will b bak out this year, decided to get it bk up 2gether now so just the final bits to be done so shudnt b long now
Had a little play with the R5 today as been out replacing brake pads on the Zafira GSI yet again (The thing seems to bloody eat them).
Anyway had the R5 battery on charge over night as I thought it was flat as I tried to start the car last night and nothing. So have given the battery a good few hours charge and to find out that this has made no difference = conclussion battery is fubbard going to try and jump with some leads later when i can be arsed now.
Only things left to do now is tidy up the wiring and connect up some of the dash gauges and obviously get a new battery.
Last edited by James5; 24-03-2009 at 14:07.
Thought I would have another crack at the old girl tonight. Got the Zafira with Jump leads connected up and went for a turnover starter sounded but no fuel pump noise this is a little odd as it was at least sounding before I sent the ECU away going to go over my wiring to make sure all is OKanyday now she will be running
Blimey mate, is she still not going, you have the patience of a saint, i'd have thrown that ecu across the road, jumped in the Zaf & run it over a few times, then got onto Scoff or someone else about standalone
If you need a hand you know where i am matey, i had all this with my old Rover when i stuck her on management, ballache, the map i put into the ex48 in the end only just got me to track n roadNot that i'm offering to map anything like, just stand around drinking your tea
Really getting tempted to get a sneaky project on the go
Keep it up matey
Blimey mate, is she still not going, you have the patience of a saint, i'd have thrown that ecu across the road, jumped in the Zaf & run it over a few times, then got onto Scoff or someone else about standalone
If you need a hand you know where i am matey, i had all this with my old Rover when i stuck her on management, ballache, the map i put into the ex48 in the end only just got me to track n road
Really getting tempted to get a sneaky project on the go
Keep it up matey
Patience has nothing to do with it nowadays its a lack of interest and when I get some interest I have a play then I loose interest again.
I am seriously considering going standalone but not sure if Lauren will let me spend much more on the R5.
Steve you know you want a project matey go on do it
Patience has nothing to do with it nowadays its a lack of interest and when I get some interest I have a play then I loose interest again.
I am seriously considering going standalone but not sure if Lauren will let me spend much more on the R5.
Steve you know you want a project matey go on do it
We'll end up having to rent a place together if i did mate, Lauren will kick you out & Kelly me
I still may try though, just not sure which way to go, GTT with a different engine or clio turbo.. or something completely different..
Keep on with it though matey & if you fancy having a go sometime give me a shout, sometimes a fresh set of eyes can help (i hate wiring as well though)
looks like another nice conversion mate
keep with it defo great conversion to be done, neva had mine n/a as i brought mine with it already turbo charged, drives so smooth tho, mines runnin emerald management and neva had a single prob so mite be a worth while inverstment mate
all the best
bout time you gave that car to me....aint it..looks like another nice conversion mate
keep with it defo great conversion to be done, neva had mine n/a as i brought mine with it already turbo charged, drives so smooth tho, mines runnin emerald management and neva had a single prob so mite be a worth while inverstment mate
all the best
ha ha nice try bud, cudnt sell it in the end, just didnt seem worth while so left it sat in the garage but found the love again so back to pod this year lolbout time you gave that car to me....aint it..
drop me a txt mate ive lost ur number
best not clog up this thread chat on the say hello section just started thread on there bud
Definetely...sorry james , hope your gettin on better with the car today buddy...
Chin up mate.. look on the bright side, I haven't even plugged on my sensors yetThought I would have another crack at the old girl tonight. Got the Zafira with Jump leads connected up and went for a turnover starter sounded but no fuel pump noise this is a little odd as it was at least sounding before I sent the ECU away going to go over my wiring to make sure all is OK
isn't the fuel pump powered by a 4 pin relay with just a signal wire to the fuel pump relay? and then a live feed from the relay..
have you got a multimeter? I'm probably telling you how to suck eggs but get one of your probes on the signal wire and see if you're getting anything when cranking
I have spent last night going around the car and sorting fuel pump problem turned out that the fuel pump live feed had a split in the circuit a bit of solder and heat shrink stuff and all is good took me long enough though to find where it was, I even took the fuel pump of to test that was ok.Chin up mate.. look on the bright side, I haven't even plugged on my sensors yet
isn't the fuel pump powered by a 4 pin relay with just a signal wire to the fuel pump relay? and then a live feed from the relay..
have you got a multimeter? I'm probably telling you how to suck eggs but get one of your probes on the signal wire and see if you're getting anything when cranking
Really need toget another battery as it is really fubbard. I turned the key last night I had fuel to the rail and the starter was sounding (Not enough power to get her to turnover though).
Awsome, glad you sorted it.. so is it just a battery between you and getting the car on the road?
Looks like the original 172 starter was fubbard (solenoid given up) I took it off and it would not work tried another good condition GTT uprated starter and that worked fine so going to use that. Going to put the working starter on tonight going to try cranking with the exisiting battery if not going to nick the battery out of my Zafira to get it hopefully running.
I hate electrics- still got some gauges to wire up once finally running.
Fingers crossed it works if so they may be a video upload tonight (but knowing my luck something else will fail or I have not done correct
Really getting pissed off now.
Fitted the R5 GTT starter to the car tonight and started the car all good fuel pump went starter sounded but it is not turning the fly (You can hear the starter motor spimming) moved the spacer to different places and still no difference even tried without it and it made no difference.
Had a look at it compared to my standard knackered 172 jobby and noticed that it is the same bolt fitment but the starter cog does not stick out as much as the 172 jobby
you sure that the pinion isn't just stuck in, ie it isn't jumping out to meet the flywheel when you crank ? are you able to grab the pinion cog in the starter and pull out outward (it should spring back in when you let go). Or, is it stuck fast ? may just be siezed up.
Pinion is definatly jumping out on the GTT starter when cranking and when I test it out of the engine bay aswell you can see it all working, and as you describe you can pull the pinion out by hand and it will spring back.
Out of interest what starter motor's are you other boys using on your 172 lumps??
mines a volvo jobbie... Used to have a 172 one on but it died!
i rebuilt 1 out of two feked units. Seems to be lasting!
hurry up and get it sorted James, you're scaring me about the magnitude of getting this swap running...
I'm a bit lost, did you get RS Tuner, or ECUclinic to do this? I guess it's the same job for use with a fbw throttle?
LOL it's just me being simple I have bitten the bullet and purchased a brand new 182 starter
It was RStuning who did it all in the end nice bloke called Paul cost about £130 just for the demobilisaton and I ran the RStuner unit for the Group N map from a friends RStuner unit
http://www.rstuning.co.uk/
With ref to the fbw ecu (phase 2) it doesn't need an emulator I believe it is all software changes
sweet, once I get the ECU in my hand (hopefully Sunday) I'll be able to give him a shout.
A 2nd hand 172/182 starter motor has turned up today
Last edited by James5; 02-04-2009 at 13:45.
Do you know what size drive belt you used? I need a 835mm belt but can't seem to find one anywhere
I believe 827Do you know what size drive belt you used? I need a 835mm belt but can't seem to find one anywhere
As Andy says I ended up using an 5pk827 belt which I got from Halfords looked like it had been sitting around for a few years as the packaging was knackered. There isn't much play in my belt for manoverouring the alt about so you probably get away with an 830 matey try some local motor factors to see what they can get hold of.
I am led to believe that and Alfa Romeo 164 2.0 t spark and BMW e46 uses a 5pk830 belt? but I can't be 100%.
Last edited by James5; 03-04-2009 at 13:49.
Does the 5pk relate to the number of teeth on the pulley?
Its the number of ribs / grooves and the numbers after is the length in mm
cool thanks
I found a place that sells just about every length .. http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m28b0s0p0
wierd though I'm sure I counted six peaks on the belt - but I guess that works out as 5 on the pulley.. eek hope I've ordered the right one
The belt should be a 6pk matey but I have not been able to source a 6pk of the correct size but I will take a look at that link you have got and see if I can get a 6pk version
I can find Dayco and Gates do a 6pk825 or Gates do a stretch belt 6pk831
I can find Dayco and Gates do a 6pk825 or Gates do a stretch belt 6pk831
I have already tried an 825 and it is doesn't fit to small
since you're not driving the aircon or the PAS you probably don't need all those grooves.
Well have got the starter motor on and she now fires, but doesn't hold idle see video attached any idea's? She is defo getting fuel to the rail and obviously sparkies are firing aswell.
http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=MVI_4989.flv
how are you setting the fuel pressure?
I have got a Bosch 3bar fpr on the fuel rail, or am I not thinking on the correct lines here
possibly... it sounds like a lack of fuel to me, not sure what pressure the 172 should have?? I think it's normally set in the fuel tank, and only a single pipe goes to the engine - correct me if I'm wrong. What have you done with the reference pipe on the regulator - is there one? Do you have any leaks in the plenum?I have got a Bosch 3bar fpr on the fuel rail, or am I not thinking on the correct lines here
I think the 172 run on 3bar fpr's as you say built into the tank, the reference pipe goes to the inlet plenium (the same way as Scoff & Ashys does). Not sure about plenium leaks all should be good will double check though
Ok, unplug that pipe, and block the hole in the plenum... the standard reg won't be referenced to the plenum.
Fuel pump sounds a little dogey removed the fuel line to the rail and nothing looks like I am sending it back as it's new
just stick your GT pump on for a bit, it'll be Ok to get idlingFuel pump sounds a little dogey removed the fuel line to the rail and nothing looks like I am sending it back as it's new
do you have any fuel in the tank?
GTT pump went ages ago
Last edited by James5; 03-04-2009 at 22:43.
normally dodgy sounding pumps are sounding dodgy because they are dry. you have the fuel pipes (send/return/breather) hooked up right on the tank ?GTT pump went ages ago
and do this, checked the manual and the 172 uses a flat 3 bar reg, connect it like Scoff/Ashy when/if you go standalone.
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