Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

**Andrew Cooke** · 05-01-2009, 13:08

she's finished, ship her

**James5** · 09-01-2009, 12:57

Some more pics of progress to date some wiring to sort and need another cossie fuel pump

Pic 1 engine where @
Pic 2 Standard cossie pump against a phase 1 GTT pump
Pic 3 Modified T5 fuel rail with cossie injectors

**Matt Cole** · 09-01-2009, 21:51

Nearly done mate. Days work by the looks of it.

**c7borg** · 14-01-2009, 12:56

Originally Posted by James5

R5 GTX front engine mount £26.00,
R5 GTX front engine mount plate £38.00,

I was looking for the GTX engine front mount from GSF but can only find one and it says all models was it a Renault only part? any chance of a part number

and did you say it would be possible to fettle with the GTT mount plate so I could use the exisitng?

cheers
Andy

**Trevhib** · 14-01-2009, 17:30

Car looks well

Those 16v bonnets are

in the fitting and finish dep't though eh.

**James5** · 14-01-2009, 18:03

Originally Posted by Andrew Warren

I was looking for the GTX engine front mount from GSF but can only find one and it says all models was it a Renault only part? any chance of a part number

and did you say it would be possible to fettle with the GTT mount plate so I could use the exisitng?

cheers
Andy

The part was from Renault direct matey or if you have a local scrappy with some volvo F series 1.7 lumps in 440 etc..
7700716912 - Mounting Plate - £19.51 inc VAT

With ref to using the GTT plate not done it myself but you could prob place the engine in the car and place the gtt plate on the mount and drill an extra couple of holes into the plate so you could mount it to the 172 block may need a little more fettling than that. I purchased a new GTX plate from Renault but it was on delay for 2 weeks from france.

Originally Posted by Trevhib

Car looks well

Those 16v bonnets are

in the fitting and finish dep't though eh.

Have to agree do not like the 16v bonnet but it serving a purpose will hopefully look better once sprayed uptungy

**Scoff** · 14-01-2009, 21:25

can you re-drill the GTT mounting, I was doing it so often I made up a drill template for them. from memory one hole lines up. you need to tweek it a bit with a grinder to clear the bottom water pipe.

**James5** · 14-01-2009, 21:49

Prob could have had it running by now but stumped with the wiring and awaiting a brand new 044 fuel pump to turn up I will get their eventually.

**Ashy** · 14-01-2009, 21:59

Originally Posted by Scoff

can you re-drill the GTT mounting, I was doing it so often I made up a drill template for them. from memory one hole lines up. you need to tweek it a bit with a grinder to clear the bottom water pipe.

I did mine but I could only get 2 bolts in it!

**Scoff** · 14-01-2009, 22:38

Originally Posted by Ashy

I did mine but I could only get 2 bolts in it!

if I recall mate one of the bolts (left as you look at it ?) wants to sit on the ridge of the pressed plate. I ground the plate flat so the bolt could seat correctly. I get all 3 in like this.

**c7borg** · 15-01-2009, 09:58

Originally Posted by Scoff

if I recall mate one of the bolts (left as you look at it ?) wants to sit on the ridge of the pressed plate. I ground the plate flat so the bolt could seat correctly. I get all 3 in like this.

I decided to bite the bullet and order the part... for £20 it'll save me a bit of time

He recons the part will be in stock tomorrow.. we'll wait and see..

**James5** · 15-01-2009, 12:20

Originally Posted by Andrew Warren

I decided to bite the bullet and order the part... for £20 it'll save me a bit of time

He recons the part will be in stock tomorrow.. we'll wait and see..

Have to agree that is pretty much why I purchased a load of new bits from Renault to save time.

You should get some pics up matey of your progress would be interesting to see how you are coming, are you doing this as a rear conversion or is it under the bonnet?

**c7borg** · 15-01-2009, 13:26

rear.. it would be too much work to do it normally ..if that makes sense

**James5** · 23-01-2009, 16:30

Still not running yet spent 2 hours with the car sorting incomplete bits out got perm live, ignition live, fuel pump is wired up everything seems to have power but I am unable to crank over as yet given up for now as to cold!

**Scoff** · 23-01-2009, 16:37

you can't get it to crank ? thats the easy bit surely

**James5** · 23-01-2009, 16:50

Originally Posted by Scoff

you can't get it to crank ? thats the easy bit surely

Starters buggered no noise or click going to try another starter I have as a spare that I know works

**James5** · 23-01-2009, 21:20

Well it's not the starter it's me being **** with electrics still can't get it to work

**Scoff** · 23-01-2009, 21:31

Originally Posted by James5

Well it's not the starter it's me being **** with electrics still can't get it to work

you need the battery bolted to the 13mm nut, a good earth to the block and a live to the spade connector when you want it to crank, thats it!

**James5** · 23-01-2009, 21:43

That's what I am going to do put some more earths on the block over the weekend

**James5** · 25-01-2009, 15:52

To wet to play outside with the car

So I have been in the shed and modified the alt bracket so it doesn't catch on the cross member

All left to do know sort engine earths and get some 12mm bore fuel line.

And a quick pic of the engine as she is at the mo

**Scoff** · 25-01-2009, 15:59

12mm bore line ? christ

**James5** · 25-01-2009, 16:31

Originally Posted by Scoff

12mm bore line ? christ

Yeah the cossie fuel pump has a 12mm inlet bore and an 12mm outlet

**Scoff** · 25-01-2009, 20:10

just reduce it down, alot of the bigger pumps are like that. 8mm line will be fine.

**shaggy** · 25-01-2009, 21:09

Keep up the good work james mate. you will get there in the end.

**dave j gtt** · 26-01-2009, 05:28

8 mm copper pipe is cheap , sure its ok to use this, paint it with under seal when done . looks tidy.

**James5** · 31-01-2009, 23:34

Almost there just can't get the bitch to run at the mo

Starter engages, fuel pump sounding but nothing else is happening! oh well will try some more fettliong in a couple of days.

Going to check for spark if no spark looks like it could be my ECU not demobilised

**Scoff** · 01-02-2009, 00:25

does the fuel pump prime when you switch the key on ? does it then fire up again the moment you start cranking ?

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 10:13

Originally Posted by Scoff

does the fuel pump prime when you switch the key on ? does it then fire up again the moment you start cranking ?

Yes
No

I have the following which from what I thought is enough to get her running constant live, ignition live, fuel pump and starter motor the rest will be just gauges.

I have plenty of earths

**Coops** · 01-02-2009, 11:21

i believe that if the ecu hasnt been decoded and u arent using the full 172 ignition system with key and everything then it wont work, the immobiliser will kick in. few people i know run this engine in their clios, i'll go investigate

**Scoff** · 01-02-2009, 11:55

yeah, could be the immo like coops is saying but I wonder if it would even let you prime the pump ? I would have guessed that it wouldn't do anything atall if it was an immo issue. maybe not ?

do you have a wiring diagram for it ? If you can post it up A) I'd find it quite helpfull since I don't have one and B) I'll go through it and tell you what I think you need to connect to what then you can compare with what you've done already

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 12:16

Originally Posted by Scoff

yeah, could be the immo like coops is saying but I wonder if it would even let you prime the pump ? I would have guessed that it wouldn't do anything atall if it was an immo issue. maybe not ?

do you have a wiring diagram for it ? If you can post it up A) I'd find it quite helpfull since I don't have one and B) I'll go through it and tell you what I think you need to connect to what then you can compare with what you've done already

I have thought about the ECU itself but it was supposedly demobilised by RS tuning which I am going to call up and see what they say.

With ref to the wiring the only guide I have got is attached which is an allocationf ECU inouts and outputs most of the work has been done by the use of multimeter, continuity tester.

172 Fuel pump relay -

Red - perm live
Yellow - ign live
white - output to pump
violet - trigger from ecu

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 13:22

According to the cliosport guys it should still crank if the immobiliser is active, just no fuel/spark.

**Scoff** · 01-02-2009, 13:33

Originally Posted by James5

According to the cliosport guys it should still crank if the immobiliser is active, just no fuel/spark.

yes but you said it's priming the fuel pump which tells me that atleast some of the ECU is awake.

**Scoff** · 01-02-2009, 13:35

if there was no immobiliser involved I'd have said look at your crank trigger to make sure it's OK and wired up properly, since if this doesn't work you won't get the pump running while you crank nor will you get a spark.

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 14:09

Originally Posted by Scoff

if there was no immobiliser involved I'd have said look at your crank trigger to make sure it's OK and wired up properly, since if this doesn't work you won't get the pump running while you crank nor will you get a spark.

Going to give RStuning a call on monday and see what they say ref the ECU has they demobilised it.

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 14:13

Just got some info back on cliosport ref the RS tuning ECU's -

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=390305

Apparently this member has heard of 'issues' with RSTuning decodes. They seem to require an emulator in addition to the decode almost as if the ECU will accept any imobiliser code, but it still needs *a* code, if that makes sense? iirc, both geesus and danlp6 had this issue

Beanie and I used www.ecuclinic.com and it came back plug and play if it's any use to you.

I will speak with rstuning ans see what they say if not going to have to get it decoded properly with the ecuclinic

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 15:59

This is not looking good with the ecu

scoff did you ever get to play with ashys phase 1 ecu if so what was the outcome

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 18:51

Well got some news ref the ECU from the bloke @ RS tuning whom done the work who is also a cliosport member. He confirmed that the ECU I have needs to have an emulator to get it demobilised appartently mine was virginilised

.

Anyone on here able to demobilise a phase 1 ECU???

**Ashy** · 01-02-2009, 18:53

does it turn over?

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 19:12

I just get the starter wanting to go and the fuel pump primes that is it.

**Ashy** · 01-02-2009, 19:56

What do you mean by the starter wanting to go?

Does the engine turn over on the starter?

**James5** · 01-02-2009, 20:03

Starter is turning but no fuel or spark which is apparently what the immobilser does.

I am now consdering going standalone as I will have to do this in the future anyway just funds at the mo are a little low

**Ashy** · 01-02-2009, 22:33

Fancy a nice DTA E38 all mapped up with loom to suit a 172

**Scoff** · 01-02-2009, 22:35

Originally Posted by Ashy

Fancy a nice DTA E38 all mapped up with loom to suit a 172

I might, since there is a hammer with my ecu's name on it currently

**c7borg** · 02-02-2009, 10:59

Originally Posted by James5

Well got some news ref the ECU from the bloke @ RS tuning whom done the work who is also a cliosport member. He confirmed that the ECU I have needs to have an emulator to get it demobilised appartently mine was virginilised

.

Anyone on here able to demobilise a phase 1 ECU???

That's a bit frustrating mate

**Matt Cole** · 02-02-2009, 12:53

Originally Posted by Scoff

I might, since there is a hammer with my ecu's name on it currently

There might be an E420b for sale if the 420c is going cheap?

**James5** · 02-02-2009, 17:02

Originally Posted by Andrew Warren

That's a bit frustrating mate

Its a fecking pain in the arse it cost me over £100.00 to get that ECU and now to get it demobilised it's going to cost me over that

. Should have gone standalone in the 1st place at this rate. Going to stick with the standard ECU for now and get it demobilised and when I go turbo hopefully go adaptronic.

**Andrew Cooke** · 02-02-2009, 17:38

Originally Posted by James5

Its a fecking pain in the arse it cost me over £100.00 to get that ECU and now to get it demobilised it's going to cost me over that

. Should have gone standalone in the 1st place at this rate. Going to stick with the standard ECU for now and get it demobilised and when I go turbo hopefully go adaptronic.

when you do that I might be interested in your ECU

**Scoff** · 02-02-2009, 19:43

Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning

There might be an E420b for sale if the 420c is going cheap?

it'll have had a hammer through it before I'm finnished with it

to be fair, I'm probably just asking a bit too much of it with what I'm trying to do with it and I'd need a top of the range DTA or better before I got anywhere near the features I want. I think I've found a solution to my issue anyway

**James5** · 26-02-2009, 10:53

Phase 1 172 ECU Demobilised (emulator) & group N map

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