The Red 16v Project..

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Well i have gone and done it again, i have brought a car that has got me thinking of a different project....

The story goes like this...

I wanted to put a 16v engine in the silver ph1, Mr White (nice chap) happened to put his 5 up for sale which happened to have the 16v engine with all the correct bits & at a very good price as it was an mot failure...

The plan was buy the car for the engine, sell the wheels and other nice bits and hopefully have a free engine...

How ever the when i have seen the car in the flesh, it looks to nice to be broken, but does require work ( inner boot both sides needs replacing), not exactly a huge job, but the areas of the paint could do with some saving... But is a honest 5, not mint, perfect for fast road & track once the welding is done...

I also planned on selling the wheels, but there mint, all straight minimal curbing, one has very slight blemish in the gold paint... These wheels would look the nuts on the silver 5...

Charlotte is gonna kill me when she gets home..

Anyway a quick pic of the old girl at home after a nice tow home

[Alastair]

Looks nice mate, you going to finish this one

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Looks nice mate, you going to finish this one

As i said the plan was to use this car as a donor, still might... But keep if to learn how to weld, paint etc... But time will tell..

[Mart]

Looks good mate. Not fancy sticking the F4R in it?

Surprised no-one's yet sniffed out the newer RS (197/200) lump & slotted that into a 5 shell.

Plenty of grunt and no turbo lag. Win.

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Looks good mate. Not fancy sticking the F4R in it?

Surprised no-one's yet sniffed out the newer RS (197/200) lump & slotted that into a 5 shell.

Plenty of grunt and no turbo lag. Win.

Mart i am all about the low cost side of things.... This engine could potentially be free - plus abit of hard work

[Mart]

Same here, but if it's a keeper, and to keep your interest levels topped up whilst driving it I'd have thought the 2L engine would be a better bet? (especially on track).

[mr white]

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Have given it a clean today, the car could easily be back on the road, but wont be winning any show and shine... but f*ck that, I want fast road & track.... and the car is perfect for that.

Am now going to see about how much a friend will charge me to sort out the welding...

But then what to do with the silver ph1, Charlotte wont let me keep both lol....

[michael tierney]

u could always have a raffle!!

[Adey aka Ewok]

I've got a 172 engine going cheap ;-p

[jesus in the seat of a 5]

But then what to do with the silver ph1, Charlotte wont let me keep both lol....[/quote]

sell all the oe parts to me then sell the car..... i could then also offer you a room and refuge from charlotte.....

[elmof1]

I cant keep up! lol. Last i heard you were selling the Ph1, and now you've bought another one, and still have the ph1 My mrs would murder me if I had two 5's, i'm hanging on by my finger nails owning one!!

Nice to have the option of a 16v Ph1 , or as you say get the red one on the road as a road/track day. Any idea would route you'll take?

[Adey aka Ewok]

I really liked my last 16v 5, went really well and I didn't ever worry while ramping the hell out of it

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Well the car is at the garage ready to get welded up

I thought today, f*ck it, get it on the road & then worry about getting the engine in the ph1, at least then I can c1j the red 1 and sell it on if need be, or do that to the ph1 & sell on....

Some pics of the area's that had been cut out due to rust..






some other pics of the car..


Pinkish bonnet, wing going into the door


Wheels up close..


Rear End - the bumper..

[Ashy]

I'm suprised the phase 1 isnt garaged away out of the rain!!

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

I'm suprised the phase 1 isnt garaged away out of the rain!!

Its undercover 90% of the time, not mint enough to warrant a garage... plus I need a garage first... although could well go in the barn if I decide to keep it.

[Ricardo]

I really liked my last 16v 5, went really well and I didn't ever worry while ramping the hell out of it

Was a decent car, did well getting to Germany and back

Shoppers, flog the phase 1 and track the red 5. Leave the paintwork, sort the welding, rag the 5hit out of it!!!

Cmon PMT shlaaaaag

[JRP]

When you break this one can i have the grill?

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

When you break this one can i have the grill?

The black grill actually has some crack on it... Would need some work to repair... But if i break it i will txt you...

[Alistair Gresty]

But then what to do with the silver ph1, Charlotte wont let me keep both lol....


Put a good engine in, get it an mot & I will buy it back!!!

[Ricardo]

Sounds good Alastair, Shoppers you have too many eggs in baskets, in my humble opinion make an executive decision (red trackday car) and we'll get it trackworthy. Then enjoy it

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Sounds good Alastair, Shoppers you have too many eggs in baskets, in my humble opinion make an executive decision (red trackday car) and we'll get it trackworthy. Then enjoy it

I agree, the red car is 90& welded now, just needs finishing off, the large brakes are also fitted, wheels swapped over (so will be selling the gold ones with good tyres), once the welding is done going to sort out a small oil leak & then time for an MOT

Silver one will be for sale, either cheap with out an engine, or a good price with an engine (if i can find somebody to supply & fit for a good price)

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

Sounds like a bit of code red lovin' is on the cards?
Matt@CRM.

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Sounds like a bit of code red lovin' is on the cards?
Matt@CRM.

Matt, you know I want that Bike Carb set up, were gonna have to get speaking to people about getting the set up made... on the cheap were possible... true Code red style.

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

Good news on that front is..... I'm going to try and get a friend to fabricate the manifolds, then your going to have to test them.....
Also looking into trying the same set-up for 172/182.....

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Good news on that front is..... I'm going to try and get a friend to fabricate the manifolds, then your going to have to test them.....
Also looking into trying the same set-up for 172/182.....

I am more than happy to test them

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

Thought you might be.
Matt@CRM

[Trackdayvalver]

First post!

I've got a 172 engine going cheap ;-p

how cheap?

[Adey aka Ewok]

Lol, drop me a pm if your interested

[Chris Beer]

Looks good

Fair play to cutting out the boot/arch sections mate! Any pictures or before and after?

How much are the wheels up for?

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

I cant take credit for cutting the rear arch's out, Mat (Mr White) had done that before i collected it...

& Trackdayvalver is the man who is welding my car up & doing a great job to , its good to have an enthusiastic mechanic local who is happy to work on these cars (he also has a clio 16v which is his track/road car)

[Ricardo]

Shoppers, what wheels are you rolling on now?

Can't wait to see it Friday

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

It will be on the famous orange wheels, need to think of different colour as orange and red dont work...

[dangerous dave]

It will be on the famous orange wheels, need to think of different colour as orange and red dont work...

kawazaki green

[Chris Beer]

Just realised the indicators have been smoothed out of the wings, bet the MOT people liked that lol

You need a rear bumper? Also my 5 had one of those fail turbo badges binned it!

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Just realised the indicators have been smoothed out of the wings, bet the MOT people liked that lol

You need a rear bumper? Also my 5 had one of those fail turbo badges binned it!

Nothing wrong with side indicators being smoothed, the fronts are visable from the sides

Rear bumper will be going back on once ashy's plates have been welded on

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

Alot of replacement wings didn't have the side repeater holes in them, if any MOT tester is worth his salt, the front indicators wrap around the side providing lateral lighting, but if not anything can be plopped in place to fix that.
Are the gold wheels willy replicas shoppers?
Matt@CRM

[Ricardo]

It will be on the famous orange wheels, need to think of different colour as orange and red dont work...

I'd personally keep the willy wheels

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Alot of replacement wings didn't have the side repeater holes in them, if any MOT tester is worth his salt, the front indicators wrap around the side providing lateral lighting, but if not anything can be plopped in place to fix that.
Are the gold wheels willy replicas shoppers?
Matt@CRM

Yeh i believe they are replicas (no speedline markings on them)...

[Ricardo]

Alot of replacement wings didn't have the side repeater holes in them, if any MOT tester is worth his salt, the front indicators wrap around the side providing lateral lighting, but if not anything can be plopped in place to fix that.
Are the gold wheels willy replicas shoppers?
Matt@CRM

Indeed, i've bought new wings and they didn't have the side repeater holes

[dangerous dave]

Yeh i believe they are replicas (no speedline markings on them)...

im pretty sure they are, i had a set a while back, had a set of willys at the time and tried to pop the willys center cap in.....it dont fit

i thought of making something to stick to the silver caps, gold painted ping pong ball cut in half or something

[James5]

I'd personally keep the willy wheels

Agree stick with the Williy wheels Get them done in white or chromed up or in fact anthracite would look nice against the red car

[tubbyG]

The gold willies really suit it

[r5 rich]

the wheels are prima racing wheels which are replica of the williams wheels. They weigh more if im correct. Not sure if they also keep the 7j width that the genuine williams do.

[Trackdayvalver]

New poster! (less than 10 posts)

his new wheels look good on the car. welding is done now. got to put front bumper back on fit bigger brakes then going for MOT tomorrow.

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Actually the orange wheels look ok... (wheels look very pink, but there actually orangey/red)

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

Rollcage time soon then?
Matt@crm

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Rollcage time soon then?
Matt@crm

It wont be long, got to paint that aswell + look for some bucket seats.

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Graham sykes insurance has done me a cracking deal, all mods + future mods, fully comp, 5k miles for £323... No agreed value (not that its worth thousands), if i wanted to go tpft it would be £220....

Win

[Penfold aka The Dealer]

Car failed, but only on

No side indicators... Wernt arsey, just said he couldnt see them at the correct angle (he got the book out to double check... If it had been an earlier model it would have been ok)

And when you put full beam on the passenger headlight turns off????