Re: 5-225 Progress Pics

**Matt Cole** · 13-03-2011, 18:23

Originally Posted by i l k e r

good luck fitting that box in there

even if you manage to get the box in with lots of cutting, you'll have all sorts of trouble with the space for a steering rack

it would be worth to try and find out where ktec supply their solid flywheels from, as we all know what their profit margins are like

good luck with it mate

ilker. Is it the overall diameter of the box that caused you issues in the 11? It's only about 25mm longer than the j series by my measurements so I thought about chopping the chasis rail and reinforcing it. If the rack is an issue I guess there are alternatives to look at?

**i l k e r** · 16-03-2011, 15:09

Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning

ilker. Is it the overall diameter of the box that caused you issues in the 11? It's only about 25mm longer than the j series by my measurements so I thought about chopping the chasis rail and reinforcing it. If the rack is an issue I guess there are alternatives to look at?

hey Matt,

if you're planning on using the megane driveshafts like I did, they will push the wheels outward so much that you can't get decent camber (read less than -5) without relocating the strut towers and this is on the R11.

the box will fit with some mods to the chassis rail but the differential casing is very bulky and it will hit the steering rack, if I can find a remedy for this I can actually get the car to a driveable condition (not finished) in less than 2 weeks time

**Matt Cole** · 16-03-2011, 19:40

Originally Posted by i l k e r

hey Matt,

if you're planning on using the megane driveshafts like I did, they will push the wheels outward so much that you can't get decent camber (read less than -5) without relocating the strut towers and this is on the R11.

the box will fit with some mods to the chassis rail but the differential casing is very bulky and it will hit the steering rack, if I can find a remedy for this I can actually get the car to a driveable condition (not finished) in less than 2 weeks time

Ilker, cheers for the info. I intend to use custom shafts so hopefully i can get the lengths to pretty much stock camber.

The diff casing does concern me a little.

I might be able to get a few mm pulling the engine forwards. Not sure yet untill i measure up. After that i guess its looking at different racks and linkages.

**Scoff** · 16-03-2011, 20:06

With the VW 1.8T into R5 conversion I had to shift the rack back 10 or 15mm on the nearside for the same reason. Dunno how much your megane box will foul but you can run the rack at a slight angle without any detriment.

**Matt Cole** · 16-03-2011, 20:19

Originally Posted by Scoff

With the VW 1.8T into R5 conversion I had to shift the rack back 10 or 15mm on the nearside for the same reason. Dunno how much your megane box will foul but you can run the rack at a slight angle without any detriment.

Aha!! Cheers Scoff, thats good news. Did you take any pics?

**Scoff** · 16-03-2011, 20:36

Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning

Aha!! Cheers Scoff, thats good news. Did you take any pics?

Nah, it was just me lopping the bracket down by 15mm and welding it back up, nothing picture worthy! The rack bolts up to the subframe at 2 points. the n/s end uses a formed metal bracket. I cut that off, chopped a bit out and welded it back up. I had to grind a bit of an angle on to the cast-allu o/s mounting point so that it didin't strain when I bolted it all back up. The rack sat at a slight angle then but the U/J was in about the same place so it didn't matter. It maybe only gains 8 or 10mm in the area of the diff but it was enough for the VW box.

**i l k e r** · 17-03-2011, 17:41

Originally Posted by Scoff

With the VW 1.8T into R5 conversion I had to shift the rack back 10 or 15mm on the nearside for the same reason. Dunno how much your megane box will foul but you can run the rack at a slight angle without any detriment.

thats good to hear chief

in my case it's either a wider rack or ultra long track rods, it seems like a wider rack will be the better option as the diff casing fouls the steering rack boot where it's chunkier than the steering rack itself. On a wider rack the boots will be further apart leaving more room between the diff casing and the rack.

I will know for sure once I get my mitts on a megane steering rack

**Matt Cole** · 17-03-2011, 21:22

Originally Posted by i l k e r

thats good to hear chief

in my case it's either a wider rack or ultra long track rods, it seems like a wider rack will be the better option as the diff casing fouls the steering rack boot where it's chunkier than the steering rack itself. On a wider rack the boots will be further apart leaving more room between the diff casing and the rack.

I will know for sure once I get my mitts on a megane steering rack

Ilker, is the 5 rack the same as the 11's? ie the midle section minus the arms? Will the rack clear if its moved back as Scoff suggested??

Just gauging any issues before i sink!

**Robclio98** · 17-03-2011, 21:27

Just awesome, love this build!

**i l k e r** · 18-03-2011, 05:51

Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning

Ilker, is the 5 rack the same as the 11's? ie the midle section minus the arms? Will the rack clear if its moved back as Scoff suggested??

Just gauging any issues before i sink!

not hundred percent sure but I would say they're the same, I'll check and get back to you.

I don't know how the engine sits in the R5's bay but it would clear in the R11.

**Matt Cole** · 28-03-2011, 13:19

Ok, found a spare 20mins to do a bit of visual / measuring up!

**Duncan Grier** · 28-03-2011, 13:29

If Scoff is refering to the conversion in my old vag 5 I have finished pictures of various stages inc rack but not sure just how much use they would be over what Chris has already explained?

DG

**Matt Cole** · 28-03-2011, 20:23

Dunc . YOur photos may certainly help with ideas etc.

**Matt Cole** · 11-04-2011, 13:17

More parts to work with.....................new small turbo!

**SP33DY** · 11-04-2011, 16:10

what a beast

**Matt Cole** · 12-04-2011, 11:35

Originally Posted by SP33DY

what a beast

Yes it is! I use it as a pillow

**Ashy** · 12-04-2011, 12:39

Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning

Yes it is! I use it as a pillow

Is that when you're in the dog house for spending too much money on the rust bucket

P.S. Fancy a look to Jumbo Jungle on Sat / Sun?

**Matt Cole** · 19-09-2011, 13:47

Ok, been a while so thought i'd update this thread with a little progress of the NDO gearbox fitting. Engine and box are in, mounts are in rough position. Just need to agree with myself that this will be the final resting place before i weld everything together!

I have provision for 5 mounts, front right gearbox lower not shown as i'm not sure if it will be needed.

Some pics:

**R5TURBORON** · 19-09-2011, 15:25

Looking good mate

**philg** · 19-09-2011, 16:03

lets get craking matt

**Matt Cole** · 20-09-2011, 11:21

Originally Posted by philg

lets get craking matt

I'm trying matey, but spare time is like gold dust these days!

**Matt Cole** · 25-09-2012, 13:07

Well its been a while and Scoffs rolling road day has helped a little with enthusiasm, so i thought i would unwrap some bits and make a start with the plans.................

**Duncan Grier** · 25-09-2012, 14:15

I think you need a bigger i/c

Looks good, sure it will be worth all the hard work and you def need a fresh bit of enthusiasm from time to time to get stuff moving again

Enjoy

DG

**Matt Cole** · 09-04-2013, 14:06

Small update pics. I have started the mounts. Engine is now sat where its needed with enough clearence all round. Hope fully me and the Ashman will get cracking this weekend!

**Matt Cole** · 09-04-2013, 14:17

and some more:

**Woznaldo** · 11-04-2013, 11:07

Awesome work Matt, this car is really coming along. Love your work!

**Tutuur** · 11-04-2013, 12:02

looking good mate!

i wonder how the BW is going to perform. they're pretty cheap but are supposed to do a good job!

i want to use one in the future too but if funds allow i'll probably go efr 7670 right away.

good luck with the build!

**Ashy** · 11-04-2013, 13:00

Matt-chew, did you pick up the half shafts yet?

**Matt Cole** · 11-04-2013, 19:53

Originally Posted by Ashy

Matt-chew, did you pick up the half shafts yet?

Nope marrow, are we still on?

**Robbo** · 11-04-2013, 20:41

this is like a never ending story

**Brigsy** · 11-04-2013, 21:55

How much power will the 225 box handle matt? From what i read the lads are upgrading to the vag boxes when looking for big power?

**Matt Cole** · 11-04-2013, 23:03

Originally Posted by Brigsy

How much power will the 225 box handle matt? From what i read the lads are upgrading to the vag boxes when looking for big power?

Seems to be plenty of decent powered meganes. Im led to believe rs tunings r26 had over 500bhp.

Vag boxes pah!

**Matt Cole** · 30-04-2013, 09:37

Steady progress, engine mounts pretty much done and solid. manifold all welded up and trial fitted turbo to start fabricating the exhaust manifold.

**Matt Cole** · 09-07-2013, 12:48

Quick progress shot of the exhaust manifold now tacked up.

**andybond** · 09-07-2013, 13:11

Originally Posted by Matt Cole

to believe rs tunings r26 had over 500bhp.

and had the box rebuilt due to stripping 3rd gear

**Matt Cole** · 09-07-2013, 19:36

Wasting my time then?

**andybond** · 09-07-2013, 21:23

Originally Posted by Matt Cole

Wasting my time then?

I am going to pop into RST this week ( possibly tomorrow ) Ill speak to Paul then

ETA :

I have spoken to paul this morning. His failed when the torque was around 430ibft.

Recommends using a VAG box.

**Matt Cole** · 15-07-2013, 00:12

Ok. Thanks for the info. Which box does he recommend? Is paul suggesting that the vag box is definately stronger than the ndo? I know the o2j strips gears at high torque.

**Matt Cole** · 15-07-2013, 13:10

All seems to fit ok. Im mocking up other stuff in the bay before everything finalised with welding up tight.

**Tutuur** · 15-07-2013, 15:14

Looks great mate!

The 02m sixspeed gearbox handles a lot more! Reports of 800bhp+ without breaking.
Plus you have alot more clutch options.

I currently have a sprung clutchnet organic center with sachs sre pressure plate.

Will hold around 400lb/ft with stocklike clutch feel.

Be warned though, the 02m is known for rattles/chatter with a singe mass flywheel.
Mine does it pretty bad unfortunately....

**Matt Cole** · 15-07-2013, 19:16

Cheers squire. Yeah im sure the O2m would have been the way to go. Hind sight etc. It was a choice I had but decided to go for the ndo as it fits the block as reno intended. Plus I already had the box. 400ftlb is more than enough for me for a start so happy with that. I also like the idea of eventually fitting the lsd from the r26.

See how it goes I guess.

**andybond** · 15-07-2013, 22:27

Originally Posted by Matt Cole

Ok. Thanks for the info. Which box does he recommend? Is paul suggesting that the vag box is definately stronger than the ndo? I know the o2j strips gears at high torque.

o2m, but uprated internals.

**Matt Cole** · 15-10-2013, 12:58

Small update, downpipe tacked up and drive shafts on.

**Nad-5GTT** · 15-10-2013, 13:08

How ironic I have literally just read the whole thread and was thinking it's about time some updates were put up and you just have

epic build. Have you finished the rust issues yet?

**Matt Cole** · 15-10-2013, 13:12

Originally Posted by Nad-5GTT

How ironic I have literally just read the whole thread and was thinking it's about time some updates were put up and you just have

epic build. Have you finished the rust issues yet?

Ha,im a slow worker mate, although things are speeding up again!

This is a different shell matey. I still have the white one and will replace all the panels when i finish this one.

**Trevhib** · 15-10-2013, 13:33

This is like a massive iceberg this car. Glacial progression but beautiful to look at.

**Matt Cole** · 15-10-2013, 19:13

Originally Posted by Trevhib

This is like a massive iceberg this car. Glacial progression but beautiful to look at.

Cheers Trev. I'll take that as a compliment!

**Trevhib** · 16-10-2013, 09:30

**mattk** · 16-10-2013, 18:03

Looking good Matt, I look forward to see what you get from the turbo

**Matt Cole** · 16-10-2013, 19:57

Originally Posted by mattk

Looking good Matt, I look forward to see what you get from the turbo

Cheers matt. Hopefully it will produce some boost!

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