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    Warning, Photo driving licence

    I’ve just looked and mine expires in 2010 which I had no idea about..

    Read this:

    Unwitting motorists face £1,000 fines as thousands of photocard driving licences expire

    Thousands of motorists are at risk of being fined up to £1,000 because they are unwittingly driving without a valid licence.

    They risk prosecution after failing to spot the extremely small print on their photocard licence which says it automatically expires after 10 years and has to be renewed - even though drivers are licensed to drive until the age of 70.

    The fiasco has come to light a decade after the first batch of photo licences was issued in July 1998, just as the they start to expire.
    Motoring organisations blamed the Government for the fiasco and said 'most' drivers believed their licences were for life.

    A mock-up driving licence from 1998 when the photocards were launched shows the imminent expiry date as item '4b'

    They said officials had failed to publicise sufficiently the fact that new-style licences - unlike the old paper ones - expire after a set period and have to be renewed.

    To rub salt into wounds, drivers will have to a pay £17.50 to renew their card - a charge which critics have condemned as a 'stealth tax' and which will earn the Treasury an estimated £437million over 25 years.

    Official DVLA figures reveal that while 16,136 expired this summer, so far only 11,566 drivers have renewed, leaving 4,570 outstanding.

    With another 300,000 photocard licences due to expire over the coming year, experts fear the number of invalid licences will soar, putting thousands more drivers in breach of the law and at risk of a fine.

    At the heart of the confusion is the small print on the tiny credit-card-size photo licence, which is used in conjunction with the paper version. Just below the driver name on the front of the photocard licence is a series of dates and details - each one numbered. Number 4b features a date in tiny writing, but no explicit explanation as to what it means.

    The date's significance is only explained if the driver turns over the card and reads the key on the back which states that '4b' means 'licence valid to'.

    Even more confusingly, an adjacent table on the rear of the card sets out how long the driver is registered to hold a licence - that is until his or her 70th birthday.

    A total of 25million new-style licences have been issued but - motoring experts say - drivers were never sufficiently warned they would expire after 10 years.

    Motorists who fail to renew their licences in time are allowed to continue driving. But the DVLA says they could be charged with 'failing to surrender their licence', an offence carrying a £1,000 fine.

    AA president, Edmund King said: 'It is not generally known that photocard licences expire: there appears to be a lack of information that people will have to renew these licences. People think they have already paid them for once over and that is it. It will come as a surprise to motorists and a shock that they have to pay an extra £17.50.'

    The AA called on the Government to use the annual £450million from traffic enforcement fines to offset the renewal charge.

    Before photocard licences were introduced, old-style paper licences were valid until the age of 70. Many motorists still believe this to be the case with the new ones.

    Driving instructor Tony Carter, of Canterbury, said: 'It's outrageous; everybody thinks their driving licence is for life. Why - when you have already paid £50 for your photocard licence - should you pay the Government an extra £17.50 every 10 years? It's another stealth tax. Drivers will be very annoyed.'

    Today the DVLA said the date of expiry was carried on the new-style licences, even though the AA says this is 'not clear'.

    The Agency was unable to say whether motorists were told the licences would expire when they were first issued.

    It said it was issuing postal reminders to drivers whose photograph was due to expire, to get the renewal message across. But a spokesman admitted this was the limit of the DVLA's publicity.

    Experts say many drivers will slip through the net because DVLA records are inaccurate and many motorists have changed address, making it impossible to trace them.

    A DVLA spokesman said: 'Previous experience has shown that wide-scale publicity is less effective and can generate enquiries and concerns from those not affected. Instead, DVLA focussed on targeted publicity to ensure that we got the message to the right person at the right time.'

    The Driving Standards Agency is allowing L-test candidates with out-of-date photocard licences to sit their driving tests as long as they provide a valid passport. This concession will end in January next year, raising the prospect that some L-test candidates will be turned away.

    The DVLA said no one had so far been charged with failing to surrender a licence.
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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    I've still got an old style pink tatty one with the wrong address on it No photo .
    Valid till 2035 I'll be 70 or dead by then
    I don't suppose many of you would have ever seen one of those ?
    Must do something about that .....can't keep saying I've just moved house that week
    Last edited by clee; 11-11-2008 at 18:08.

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    Quote Originally Posted by clee View Post
    I've still got an old style pink tatty one with the wrong address on it
    Must do something about that .....can't keep saying I've just moved house that week
    Snap

    I moved house over 8 years ago, but I don't want a photo license. I should really get it changed though, seeing as it's a grand fine for having the wrong address

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    Nah not a grand ...Just dug mine out of the far end of me wallet .....It says it's only £400 .Cost of living just keeps on rising innit

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    Quote Originally Posted by The new Bill J View Post
    Snap

    I moved house over 8 years ago, but I don't want a photo license. I should really get it changed though, seeing as it's a grand fine for having the wrong address
    same here not getting a photo one unless im made to.

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    Quote Originally Posted by tonesGTT View Post
    same here not getting a photo one unless im made to.
    i'll second that doing fine with my paper one and its free for life

    are they not going to be phasing the paper ones out at any point..?

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    Technically all paper licence's are out of date and should be updated for the card type...

    But this is gonna cost millions and takes alot of effort for the DVLA so it hasnt been forced through by law yet.

    But i would get a card licence as it will most likely doble if not triple in price...

    I have a card licence with an upto date address... end of the day the address is there cos if ur involved in a serious accident and find ur licence they will go to that addres...

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    I was forced to swap my old paper licence for a photo one when the paper one fell apart completely. now, the photo counterpart has fallen apart completely. do they make these things from the worst paper on earth for a reason ? I begrudge spending money on a replacement only for it to fall apart again. mine has about 10 layers of selotape on each side, which has long gone yellow.

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    I would rather do the time than fork out 1000 to the DVLA. Bed and breakfast , lunch and tea for 3 months at her majesties will be a point worth making i think.

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    Quote Originally Posted by clee View Post
    I've still got an old style pink tatty one with the wrong address on it. I don't suppose many of you would have ever seen one of those ?
    I can trump that with my green paper one which even less people here would have seen!

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    Quote Originally Posted by ShopBoy View Post
    I have a card licence with an upto date address... end of the day the address is there cos if ur involved in a serious accident and find ur licence they will go to that addres...
    Or, more likely, if you have your pocket picked / drop your wallet / get mugged, they know where you live... And probably also have your keys.

    so I don't carry anything on me or in my car with my address on.

    Your car number plate will give the emergency services an address.

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    ive still got my original paper one from 1990 thats still in my mums address

    Just got it back from court with 6 fresh points on it and they not said anything about the wrong address.

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    Re: Warning, Photo driving licence

    I must say I'd never noticed they ran out every 10 years. I used to have a paper license but I lost that years ago...

    Looks like mine runs out in 2013 although I'm not sure why that would be?

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