Yet another F7p Turbo conversion

[James5]

Renault 5 F7P Turbo conversion.
Yes it’s me with yet another engine conversion .
As all 5 GTT's started life with the little 1397cc C1J engine, over the years this developed into an MSM High Comp built C1J lump with a Turbo Development's VNT. I soon got bored and decided to do an N/A 172 phase 1 conversion so that was completed and fully road legal (another project thread) but I wasn’t keen on the conversion in N/A form so 200miles or so later I pulled the engine out and went back to another C1J which again developed into pretty much the same spec as the old MSM engine and again with Turbo Development's VNT turbo. Now I have started another conversion this time being another Renault engine utilising the F7p lump out of a Clio 1.8 16v but this time I am going turbo from the of which was my mistake for not doing it with the F4r engine but we all learn from our mistakes (I hope). This is Turbo Ted's and 5tevel's fault for convincing me to go down this route, after seeing Robbie's 5 at the localish Surrey meet one eve I was very impressed, and talking to Steve and seeing his progress with his this got me hooked and I finally bit the bullet and pulled the C1J out whilst she was working at her best
So this thread is pretty much an update on my project as I go along no doubt with the usual conversion problem's (pictures will be added as I go along ).
To date I have pretty much stripped my engine bay and am in the process of posting out all the sold parts to peeps (apologise for any delays they are on there way please bear with me). With regards to changes on the 5 so far I have relocated the battery to driver side scuttle area and placed the oversized green cotton air filter into the passenger side scuttle area as this will be it’s new location (need to think about a way to get a nice cold feed of air to the filter) also the Clio ignition coil and possibly header tank will be located in this side scuttle area aswell.
Present position as of the 16/05/2011 – As above removed clear fog lights and relocated my radtec 13 row external oil cooler to behind drivers side fog light, relocated battery to drivers side scuttle, air filter now located passenger side scuttle area and header tank (back to OE positon). C1J lump is ready to come out with gearbox attached pending me picking up new engine on the 18/05/2011 plan to strip sump of the new engine and make sure shells are all good if looks fine do a cambelt change so I know it's been done then drop it in on the 19/05/2011.

[James5]

I will update with specs of engine once confirmed as you never know the truth until it's apart, so will confirm shortly.

[James5]

Hmm think I may have screwed myself over now on the length of time to do this just realised only got 2/12" wks to do this in, not got time of from work, 4 kids a pregnant Mrs's, and obviously the time it takes for packages to turn up once ordered Ohwell lets see how it goes

[Bigfoot]

Plus collection of the item as well, when you looking at popping up here?

[James5]

Plus collection of the item as well, when you looking at popping up here?

This wednesday matey, leaving work early so going straight up from Horsham @ 3:30 to try and M25 traffic around dartford tunnel way home shouldn;t be to bad as will traffic should have gone by that time. Meeting Johnson18 on route for special delivery service (got the ole post man pat tune in my head now) to drop of intercooler bits and then going over to get engine and all bits straight after.

[markey b]

nice place for oil cooler

put mine there too

when are u gonna keep the same engine for longer than the running in period

[James5]

nice place for oil cooler

put mine there too

when are u gonna keep the same engine for longer than the running in period

Yours looks much better than mine as you have the nice carbon fibre bit around it

Whilst the C1J is running very very well and I fancy a project best time to move on it's Steve and turbo ted's fault seeing there's made me want to do it

[elcie]

Best of luck James

[Gttnutter]

James James James....

Best of luck getting it done in time, remember you've got steve mark and robbie who you'll be able to pick the brains of

[Os8472]

Dude I started mine to weeks ago and its all in the bay but I'm still not confident it'll make Mallory, you've left it bloody late fella

[TNT ANDY]

This wednesday matey, leaving work early so going straight up from Horsham @ 3:30 to try and M25 traffic around dartford tunnel way home shouldn;t be to bad as will traffic should have gone by that time. Meeting Johnson18 on route for special delivery service (got the ole post man pat tune in my head now) to drop of intercooler bits and then going over to get engine and all bits straight after.

Top respect for you James - be organised (with 4 kids you've gotto be) and you'll get it done no worries.
Looking forward to seeing some FP / FR action on track.

[DaveMayGTT]

If anyone can m8 I imagine it would be you. Get cracking

[James5]

Things are starting to come together I finally have my F7P engine many thanks to Dale aka the Bigfoot for finding it.

[Bigfoot]

There is a GTX being broken on eBay, might be worth asking for the mount, but at the cost of what they want for the engine they will more than likely want about £100 just for the mount.

No worries with finding the engine, loved doing a bit of investigating trying to track it down

[Gttnutter]

Things are starting to come together I finally have my F7P engine many thanks to Dale aka the Bigfoot for finding it.

James, this f7P Dale got wind of for you, is it already turbo'd ? Ifso what's the spec or are you keeping that under the hat for the minute?

[Bigfoot]

James, this f7P Dale got wind of for you, is it already turbo'd ? Ifso what's the spec or are you keeping that under the hat for the minute?

Its already turbo'd he did post up the spec but for some reason then removed it hence the post edit.

[James5]

James, this f7P Dale got wind of for you, is it already turbo'd ? Ifso what's the spec or are you keeping that under the hat for the minute?

Its already turbo'd he did post up the spec but for some reason then removed it hence the post edit.

Yeah the lump is already turbo'd and it does have some goodies within I only edited thinking I should really add some pics whilst sump of.


It's a good spec to start with and hopefully go standalone in the future and change a few bits as go along

[Gttnutter]

Nice James let's just hope at the end of the road your otherwise you'll be trying to source yet another msm spec!

[5teve L]

Dibs on the engine if you do sell it

[James5]

Well actually made some progress on the 5 to day, C1J out and F7p lump about to go in this evening need to finish doing the heatshield before I put it in, Clio accelerator cable is in place.

Need to add I need a TDC sensor for the f7r as not got one

[James5]

It's in, still alot of work to do

[Os8472]

It's in, still alot of work to do

Trust me, that's the easy bit done, now the difficult task of getting everything else to fit begins

[James5]

Well progress today has been really slow Mrs's moaned that I spent my day off yesterday playing with the car so today I have been doing things with the kids. I managed to sneak a few mins in here and there and all I managed to do is fit the mocal sandwich plate & new oil filter, drivers side driveshaft is back in place andtorqued up, and I have removed the cam cover and given it clean and a coat of paint nothing special but just to brigten and clean it up a bit needs some laquer still to do but it looks ok to me

[rs250nut]

Wow this car has had more engines in it than a whore has had ..................... At one point I nearly brought this car and wish I had, maybe I would still have a gtt now. Good job though James getting it done

[James5]

Wow this car has had more engines in it than a whore has had ..................... At one point I nearly brought this car and wish I had, maybe I would still have a gtt now. Good job though James getting it done

Hopefully this will be the final engine for the ole girl .

Hopefully won't be long and she will be running Not going for pretty look at the moment just want it working and to get to national day this year then when back will spend the time cleaning things up properly, more important to have it running at the mo.

[elcie]

Can't believe how quick you have done this,

Like the carbon rap scuttle. any more pictures ?

[James5]

Can't believe how quick you have done this,

Like the carbon rap scuttle. any more pictures ?

Short deadline, if the Mrs's would let me out to play more I would have more than likely got about 90 % done and just be waiting parts to turn up

Yeah I had the complete roof and windscreen surround vinyl wrapped a few weeks back now by fellow member on here Keith aka JIB and his brother at Sharp Signs in sidcup it was either that or get it sprayed so opted for the wrap this time

[philr5t]

Come on jimbo pull your finger out only joking mate I know what you mean about the missus on your back im in the same boat good work though mate

[5teve L]

Wow this car has had more engines in it than a whore has had ..................... At one point I nearly brought this car and wish I had, maybe I would still have a gtt now. Good job though James getting it done

James is an engine whore.. either that or he needs the tinkering time to get away from the missus so he has no more kids It's not working though is it matey

[philg]

Good stuff james, whats the plans for this is the turboing easy and what sort of power can you run?

keep the pictures coming

[Os8472]

With a t28 off a 200sx I'd say 270bhp is about right

[5teve L]

With a t28 off a 200sx I'd say 270bhp is about right

I hope so but I think 240-250 is more likely for the 200sx unit on the F7P, I think Coops is making 270 with a 28RS.
Like I say, if they make more than that it's a bonus

[Os8472]

I hope so but I think 240-250 is more likely for the 200sx unit on the F7P, I think Coops is making 270 with a 28RS.
Like I say, if they make more than that it's a bonus

The GT28RS should make 320bhp on a F7P, I think the only reason Coops doesn't is the he's using a chipped ecu, if it was on standalone it should do it no problem.

What ECU you gunna use James5?

[5teve L]

The GT28RS should make 320bhp on a F7P, I think the only reason Coops doesn't is the he's using a chipped ecu, if it was on standalone it should do it no problem.

What ECU you gunna use James5?

Fast chips, the same as coops IIRC

[James5]

Well had some very good progress tonight

Things left to do

1. Brake servo one way valve
2. Sidey mark up and remove for cut and weld,
3. Rear engine mount 17mm bolt tighten,
4. Volvo alternator top and lower bracket,
5. Engine coolant
6. Charge cooler coolant,
7. Mount charge cooler pre rad,
8. Install charge cooler coolant pipes,
9. Mount charge cooler pump,
10. Wire up charge cooler pump,
11. Install Clio loom,
12. Wire Clio loom into the 5 GTT loom,
13. Put boost pipes back on,
14. Tighten up cam cover with M6 x 26mm bolts,
15. Fit Walbro 255 fuel pump,
16. Fit 10mm id fuel line from sender to fuel pump,
17. Fit 8mm id fuel line for front of car for adjustable regulator,
18. Mount malpassi adjustable regulator and fit fuel line + vacuum line,
19. Locate chipped ECU
20. Drill 63mm hole for air filter,
21. Install Clio ignition coil and secure,
22. Install header tank OE bracket new location,
23. Charge battery,
24. See if can get engine to crank on starter,

If still waiting for parts and done some more parts I may remove bits and start to clean them and paint them up

[James5]

Fast chips, the same as coops IIRC

Fastchips for now and when the funds allow I will look for a standalone system

[elcie]

The GT28RS should make 320bhp on a F7P, I think the only reason Coops doesn't is the he's using a chipped ecu, if it was on standalone it should do it no problem.

What ECU you gunna use James5?

what injectors do you think you would need to get to that ?

[Os8472]

what injectors do you think you would need to get to that ?

If you do the math at 3bar 440cc jobs will cover 290bhp, so a set of 480cc jobs will be more than enough

[Os8472]

If you do the math at 3bar 440cc jobs will cover 290bhp, so a set of 480cc jobs will be more than enough

My bad 480cc will cover 307bhp at 80% duty, 500cc will do 320bhp at 80% duty and 550cc will do 352bhp at 80% duty

[elcie]

Awesome, and what formula do you use to work that out ?

[Os8472]

Awesome, and what formula do you use to work that out ?

Injector size x 4 / 5 x 0.8

That'll give you the bhp a set of injectors are capable of fueling for at 80% duty cycle

[SCHWARTZ]

james looking matey well on your way to nat day

[James5]

james looking matey well on your way to nat day

I don't ****ing think so anymore fecking seized piston rings to bore's it's coming apart tomorrow night, can't be arsed to play with it tonight now as I am moody

[5teve L]

I don't ****ing think so anymore fecking seized piston rings to bore's it's coming apart tomorrow night, can't be arsed to play with it tonight now as I am moody

Really, moody
Are you sure it's not something else ?

[James5]

Really, moody
Are you sure it's not something else ?

Could be the fact my left bollock hurts

[Scoff]

Injector size x 4 / 5 x 0.8

That'll give you the bhp a set of injectors are capable of fueling for at 80% duty cycle

What rail pressure are you asuming for that oli ? It looks a bit optimistic for 3 bar.

[DaveMayGTT]

Gutted for you james, thats the last thing you need when trying to get all of it done in 2 weeks! Still it will be even better when you manage to still get it done for N.D
Best of luck tonight m8.

[Matt@CodeRedMotorsports]

James, do u still need bits? I have a gen Renault head gasket, sump bolts and pistons.....
Matt.

[James5]

Gutted for you james, thats the last thing you need when trying to get all of it done in 2 weeks! Still it will be even better when you manage to still get it done for N.D
Best of luck tonight m8.

Last night I was in a proper Strop for not testing the basic's before I put it in , think the rush of doing it before ND11 and running it before made me forget. But I have now calmed down and the plan is still to make national day if funds allo and Mrs's allow me access to more money as I have done so well on the project so far and all pipe runs have been made up already and fitted the only thing left before this occured was fuel pump, fuel lines and splice clio loom to the gtt loom which I had started to do the other eve. Tonight's plan is to pull head of engine to see the damage, obviously new rings will defo be needed I am hoping the bore's will be ok with a hone

[5teve L]

Last night I was in a proper Strop for not testing the basic's before I put it in , think the rush of doing it before ND11 and running it before made me forget. But I have now calmed down and the plan is still to make national day if funds allo and Mrs's allow me access to more money as I have done so well on the project so far and all pipe runs have been made up already and fitted the only thing left before this occured was fuel pump, fuel lines and splice clio loom to the gtt loom which I had started to do the other eve. Tonight's plan is to pull head of engine to see the damage, obviously new rings will defo be needed I am hoping the bore's will be ok with a hone

Be interesting what you find once the head is off.
As you have forged pistons if you need rings you will need to get onto Wossner I assume
Did you check the caps 1st ?
& am assuming the cambelt hasn't slipped