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Threads are only closed if a complaint is made and we often close/move the thread so the mods can tidy the thread & to take further action where required.Originally Posted by dave j gtt
Wait for it topic closed
Or if they language/attititude of members turns aggressive.... a simple debate is fine, we are all allowed to post what we like within club rules & if people want to read/join in they can... simples.
Threads are only closed if a complaint is made and we often close/move the thread so the mods can tidy the thread & to take further action where required.
Or if they language/attititude of members turns aggressive.... a simple debate is fine, we are all allowed to post what we like within club rules & if people want to read/join in they can... simples.
Well said.
Yup it highlights that central government is a tricky one to get right. Devolution and regional governing needs to be considered further. DUP may have only got 170k votes, but look what percentages they got where they got seats, not total votes, it ensures people in areas of NI get representation in the halls of power.
Still say best bit of the election has been the fall of the bnp. Griffin's newsnight appearance exposed him for what he is and they are. The previous election of 2 bnp euro mp's have left them in turmoil as the old National Front members now see Griffin as a liability who has led them into a world where they can't as a party say what they want to and have to accept membership from the people they hate.
Griffin and his party judge people on the way they look. Truly ironic coming from a party led by a fat bloke with a hunch back who has one eye going to the shops whilst the other is on its way back.
Poetic justice
If pr is brought in things could be like this, not my working out just got this from the net
If my understanding is correct then PR is based on the proportion of the votes, though specific PR systems vary in their results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation
calcuations based on the following:
650 seats therefore 650/100=6.5 seats per %
6.5x%of vote achieved
Seats under current first past the post in brackets
The figures that follow give an idea of PR (if I put in the right numbers and got the maths right!!!)
I got the figures from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/
Conservative: 36.1x6.5= 235 seats (305)
Labour: 29.1x6.5= 189 seats (258)
Liberal Democrat: 23.0x6.5= 150 seats (57)
DUP: 0.6x6.5= 4 seats (8)
SNP: 1.7x6.5= 11 seats (6)
Sinn Fein: 0.6x6.5= 4 seats (5)
Plaid Cymru: 0.6x6.5= 4 seats (3)
SDLP: 0.4x6.5= 3 seats (3)
Green: 1x6.5= 7 seats (1)
Alliance Party: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (1)
UKIP: 3.1x6.5= 20 seats (0)
BNP: 1.9x6.5= 12 seats (0)
Ulster Conservatives and Unionists: 0.3x6.5 = 2 seats (0)
English Democrats: 0.2x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Respect: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Traditional Unionist Voice: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Christian Party: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Independent Community and Health Concern: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition 0.0x6.5= 0 Seats (0)
Others: 1.1x6.5= 7 seats (1)
Of course the electoral system used might actually change the way people vote. More people may vote for smaller parties instead of the main 3 if they know that their vote would not be wasted as under first past the post.
they polled 943,598 votes (6.4 per cent of the total) Euro election votes 9 June 2009.
so whats happening to the country i supose people are turning into nazis or do they just want out of europe and illegal wars.
- In 1987, the BNP fought 2 seats and polled 563 votes.
- In 1992, the BNP fought 13 seats and polled 7,000 votes.
- In 1997, the BNP fought 54 seats and polled 35,000 votes.
- In 2001, the BNP fought 33 seats and polled 47,000 votes.
- In 2005, the BNP fought 117 seats and polled 192,746 votes.
- In 2010, the BNP fought 339 seats and polled 563,743 votes.
339 out of 650 seats.
Last edited by mr white; 08-05-2010 at 17:04.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...democracy.html
what do you think the future should be for postal voting if things like this are happening?
also people like this would be building voting blocks
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...-to-stay-in-UK
Last edited by mr white; 08-05-2010 at 21:34.
So in less than 12 months Griffin has managed to halve the number of folk voting for the british nazi party
Makes it even more of a highlight of the election, thanks for pointing that one out bud
think its down to the campaign against . thru out london and in other major citys.So in less than 12 months Griffin has managed to halve the number of folk voting for the british nazi party
Makes it even more of a highlight of the election, thanks for pointing that one out bud
bnp aint good at tall
So in less than 12 months Griffin has managed to halve the number of folk voting for the british nazi party
Makes it even more of a highlight of the election, thanks for pointing that one out bud
looking into it they didnt put their candidates into the same areas as when they put candidates in june, looks like they were trying new areas, ukip looks to have done the same. i think most voters, voted for the next bigest party in there constituency hopeing to get labour out
european elections, barking 2009-think its down to the campaign against . thru out london and in other major citys.
bnp aint good at tall
•The Labour Party = 11,236 votes
•British National Party = 6,941 votes
•United Kingdom Independence Party = 5,285 votes
•Conservative Party = 4,961 votes
•Christian Party = 1,759 votes
•Liberal Democrats = 1,645 votes
1 year on
general elections, barking 2010-
Labour = 24,628
Conservative = 8,073
British National Party = 6,620
Liberal Democrat = 3,719
UK Independence Party = 1,300
Christian Party = 482
Well said.Threads are only closed if a complaint is made and we often close/move the thread so the mods can tidy the thread & to take further action where required.
Or if they language/attititude of members turns aggressive.... a simple debate is fine, we are all allowed to post what we like within club rules & if people want to read/join in they can... simples.
Dave, you can't just let a half decent thread run without trying to stir up or cause aggro. 'Oh look at me, I have a political thread that's been allowed to continue and hasn't been deleted bullies everybody - jibe jibe'.
That's because you picked an appropriate topic and have kept it to a single thread.
Well done, you're slowly learning how to join in.
and have a lot more positive ting's to bring tableget over yaself trev, yet again you look silly
making pointless comment about somone else
i was not off topic, you are , get a grip and dont wind me up cos you got nout to do....
I shan't taint this thread further by helping to fill it with cr@p no-one wants to see or hijacking, as I'd be in danger of calling kettles ethnic. So this is the last post I'll make on it to you that's off topic -
In all the posts I've ever seen you 'bring to the table' on non-car related items, not one has ever, EVER been positive.
well this is pretty relevant i think wether positive or negative
27 voters registered to London flat
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7120760.ece
This is the 115th post of utter bollox just thought id add that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTRXz...eature=relatedThis is the 115th post of utter bollox just thought id add that
Political life looking increasingly interesting. If the happy couple do actually deliver this then great. Pleased to see one of the 1st things stated is stopping monitoring web and emails for no reason. Labour were absolutely obsessed with capturing every last detail of each and every one of us.
Clegg's speech today, check it on May 6 2015 before voting!!
This government is going to be unlike any other.
This government is going to transform our politics so the state has far less control over you, and you have far more control over the state.
This government is going to break up concentrations of power and hand power back to people, because that is quite simply how we can build a society that is fair.
This government is going to persuade you to put your faith in politics once again.
I'm not talking about a few new rules for MPs;
Not the odd gesture or gimmick here or there to make you feel a bit more involved.
I'm talking about the most significant programme of empowerment by a British government since the great reforms of the 19th Century.
The biggest shake up of our democracy since 1832, when the Great Reform Act redrew the boundaries of British democracy, for the first time extending the franchise beyond the landed classes.
Landmark legislation, from politicians who refused to sit back and do nothing while huge swathes of the population remained helpless against vested interests.
Who stood up for the freedom of the many, not the privilege of the few.
And it's that spirit this government will draw on as we deliver our programme for political reform:
A power revolution.
A fundamental resettlement of the relationship between state and citizen that puts you in charge.
Today I want to talk about how we'll get there.
Three major steps, that will begin immediately:
One: we will repeal all of the intrusive and unnecessary laws that inhibit your freedom.
Two: we will reform our politics so it is open, transparent, decent.
Three: we will radically redistribute power away from the centre, into your communities, your homes, your hands.
Big, sweeping change.
Not incremental, not bit by bit.
Our democracy has suffered at the hands of encroaching centralisation and secrecy for decades.
Take citizens' rights: eroded by the quiet proliferation of laws that increase surveillance, quash dissent, limit freedom.
Take executive authority: consistently increased by successive administrations to the point that we now have a neutered parliament and government that enjoys almost untrammelled control - over precisely the people who are meant to keep it in check.
Take the welfare state: one of modern society's greatest liberators - now utterly different to that envisaged by Beveridge because of the sheer degree of centralised control and micromanagement.
Britain was once the cradle of modern democracy.
We are now, on some measures, the most centralised country in Europe, bar Malta.
So, no, incremental change will not do.
It is time for a wholesale, big bang approach to political reform.
That's what this government will deliver.
I'm a liberal.
My starting point is always optimism about people.
The view that most people, most of the time, will make the right decisions for themselves and their families.
That you know better than I do about how to run your life, your community, the services you use.
So this government is going to trust people.
We know that, when people see a real opportunity to shape the world they live in, they take it.
Just think of the election we've just been through.
Thousands of young people rushing to register to vote before they missed the deadline.
When people have power they use it.
And when they are denied it, there is anger and disappointment.
We saw it two weeks ago when across the country hundreds of people were turned away from polling stations on election night.
I am eagerly awaiting the findings of the Electoral Commission's review into this fiasco...
Not least as an MP representing a Sheffield constituency where it happened...
We must make sure this never happens again.
You must be confident that, come polling day, your voice will be heard.
And - more than that - that chance shouldn't only come around once every five years.
You should be able to use your voice, to exercise your power, every single day.
Under this government's plans, you will.
Three steps to new politics.
First, sweeping legislation to restore the hard won liberties that have been taken, one by one, from the British people.
This government will end the culture of spying on its citizens.
It is outrageous that decent, law-abiding people are regularly treated as if they have something to hide.
It has to stop.
So there will be no ID card scheme.
No national identity register, a halt to second generation biometric passports.
We won't hold your internet and email records when there is just no reason to do so.
CCTV will be properly regulated, as will the DNA database, with restrictions on the storage of innocent people's DNA.
Britain must not be a country where our children grow up so used to their liberty being infringed that they accept it without question.
There will be no ContactPoint children's database.
Schools will not take children's fingerprints without even asking their parent's consent.
This will be a government that is proud when British citizens stand up against illegitimate advances of the state.
That values debate, that is unafraid of dissent.
That's why we'll remove limits on the rights to peaceful protest.
It's why we'll review libel laws so that we can better protect freedom of speech.
And as we tear through the statute book, we'll do something no government ever has:
We will ask you which laws you think should go.
Because thousands of criminal offences were created under the previous government...
Taking people's freedom away didn't make our streets safe.
Obsessive lawmaking simply makes criminals out of ordinary people.
So, we'll get rid of the unnecessary laws, and once they're gone, they won't come back.
We will introduce a mechanism to block pointless new criminal offences.
And, we will, of course introduce safeguards to prevent the misuse of anti-terrorism legislation.
There have been too many cases of individuals being denied their rights...
And whole communities being placed under suspicion.
This government will do better by British justice.
Respecting great, British freedoms...
Which is why we'll also defend trial by jury.
Second, reform of our politics.
Reform to reduce the power of political elites...
And to drag Westminster into the 21st century.
Starting with the House of Lords.
Did you know we've been talking about reforming the House of Lords for over a hundred and fifty years?
It's one of the areas where all the parties agree.
The time for talk is over.
This government will replace the House of Lords with an elected second chamber...
Where members are elected by a proportional voting system.
There will be a committee charged specifically with making this happen...
But make no mistake: that committee will not be yet another government talking shop.
This will be a dedicated group devoted to kick-starting real reform.
The same haste will be applied to fixed-term parliaments.
It's just wrong that governments can play politics with something as important as a general election...
Cynically picking the date to maximise their own advantage.
So this government has already set the date we think the next election should be:
May 7th 2015 - no matter who is where in the polls.
That is unless parliament votes to dissolve itself first.
As we legislate to fix parliamentary terms the details will of course need to be worked out...
But we believe that the support of 55% of MPs or more should be required for parliament to opt for an early dissolution.
That is a much lower threshold than the two thirds required in the Scottish Parliament.
But it strikes the right balance for our parliament: maintaining stability, stopping parties from forcing a dissolution to serve their own interests.
Former Labour ministers who were once perfectly happy to ride roughshod over our democracy are now declaring this innovation some sort of outrage are completely missing the point:
This is a new right for Parliament, additional to the existing powers of no confidence.
We're not taking away parliament's right to throw out government; we're taking away government's right to throw out parliament.
Parliament's power will be strengthened as we bring forward the proposals of the Wright Committee, put forward in November.
Starting with provisions to give MPs much more control over Common's business.
And, in addition to strengthening parliament, we will of course make sure we've cleaned it up.
Which is why I have already commissioned work on introducing the power of recall.
If you're MP is corrupt, you will be able to sack them.
You will need the support of 10% of people living in the constituency...
And your MP will have had to have been found guilty of serious wrongdoing...
But it happens in Switzerland, in Canada, in 18 US states...
And it's going to happen here.
We will regulate lobbying in parliament.
Not all lobbying is sleazy.
Much of it serves a hugely important function, allowing different organisations and interests to make representations to politicians.
But let's get real: this is a £2bn industry, where, according to some estimates there are MPs who are approached by lobbyists a hundred times every week....
And that activity needs to be regulated properly and made transparent.
Which we'll do, for example, by introducing a a statutory register of lobbyists.
As long as money plays such a big part in our politics, we are never going to curtail the tyranny of vested interests.
That's why David Cameron and I are determined to reform party funding.
All of the parties have had their problems...
And governments have been stopping and starting on this issue for years.
But so long as big money continues to hollow out our democracy...
Everybody loses.
So we will pursue a detailed agreement on limiting donations and reforming party funding in order to deal with this once and for all.
And we'll act to tackle electoral fraud too;
Speeding up the implementation of individual voter registration.
There is, however, no programme to reform our political system is complete without reform of our voting system.
This government will be putting to you, in a referendum, the choice to introduce a new voting system, called the Alternative Vote.
Under that new system far more MPs will have to secure support from at least half the people who vote in their constituency...
And, hand in hand with that change, there will be new constituency boundaries, reducing the number of MPs overall and creating constituencies that are more equal in size.
David Cameron and I are very relaxed about the fact we may be arguing different cases in that referendum.
But my position is clear: the current voting system, First Past the Post, is a major block to lasting political change.
According to some estimates, over half the seats in the Commons are "safe"... giving hundreds of MPs jobs for life... meaning that millions of people see their votes go to waste.
Is it any surprise that, with a system like that, we end up with politicians who are seen to be out of touch with the people they serve?
New politics needs fairer votes.
This referendum will be our opportunity to start to make that happen.
The third, and final step, is the redistribution of power away from the centre.
It's something the prime minister spoke about yesterday, and it is something we strongly believe. All politicians say they want to give people more control over their lives.
This government is going to make it happen.
In fact, if there is one area, where the differences between Liberal Democrats and Conservatives are almost impossible to spot, it's here.
We don't, unlike Labour, believe that change in our society must be forced from the centre.
Unlike the previous Labour government, we're not insecure about relinquishing control.
So rest assured, you will get more control over the hospitals you use; the schools you send your children too; the homes that are built in your community.
In our legislative programme we will be setting out plans to strip away government's unelected, inefficient quangos, plans to loosen the centralised grip of the Whitehall bureaucracy, plans to disperse power downwards to you instead.
And we are serious about giving councils much more power over the money they use, so they depend less on the whims of Whitehall, and can deliver the services and support their communities need.
We know that devolution of power is meaningless without money.
Our plans to disperse power also include strengthening devolution to other parts of Britain: Working with Holyrood to implement the recommendations of the Calman Commission...
Working with the Welsh Assembly on introducing a referendum on the transfer of further powers to Wales...
Supporting the continued success of the devolved government in Northern Ireland.
And, of course, asking what we can do about the difficult issues surrounding the West Lothian Question.
So, the repeal of illiberal laws, the reform of politics, and the redistribution of power.
Our very own Great Reform Act.
Not everyone will like it.
Not every MP...
Not the vested interests that want government to stay closed, opaque, easily captured.
But this new government, this new kind of government, creates an enormous opportunity for those of us who have spent our lives fighting for political reform..
This is a moment to step back and look at every shortcoming in our democracy...
Before we launch into the most radical programme of reform, empowerment, enfranchisement in over a century.
A programme so important to me personally that I will take full responsibility for seeing it through.
And as I do, I will be open, I will be ambitious, and I will listen.
I'll still be holding my town hall meetings, that I've been holding for the last two years, around the country, where you can come and ask me whatever you like.
The next one is actually in Sheffield on Friday.
As I lead the transformation of our political system, I want you to tell me how you want your politics to be.
Power will be yours.
That is new politics.
Thank you.
What the hell is this ****? i thought its a car forum?
thats 2,345 words that make some good reading and its good to read or i think it is anyway.What the hell is this ****? i thought its a car forum?
nice one blot good input
he's been on the laxatives! what a pile of complete and utter b****hit! if he believes any of what he's wasted the time to type out he's sadly deluded, end of.What the hell is this ****? i thought its a car forum?
This sort of post i have no time for , but i undersatnd your need to post, it's your veiw
Please to do tell what you think will happen? or wont and whygrown up
Put somthing forward for people to think about, not just say it's all ****
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Nick Clegg, would have actually got my vote if i didnt think he was a pussy, scrapping nukes etc, letting illegals stay here etc.
Now hes been put in his place by the boss man im kinda happy hes there. At least he doesnt talk bollox I dont understand. He say this wrong lets change it. good on him.
what i mean is to think that any of our mp's individually or collectively will make our lives as 'ordinary' people any better is something i find almost impossible to believe,
they just don't listen or act on what their hearing from us
I don't have to type it out, I get them sent to me thru work
Thought this was particularly interesting speech given it had a direct impact on rtoc forums
If no one bothered about stuff or hadn't voted the coalition in, we'd now be heading full steam towards ID cards, full internet and email monitoring by gov agencies and a level of state control of personal data and records not seen since pre war russia. They have already scrapped much of this big brother bollox within a couple of days of getting in.
Good postings
But i will tell you RIGHT NOW this will not be a smooth transition.
Also imagine how many polices that there are that have to change.
Think of all the uncertain organisation, charitys and buisness's, Affecting everyone.
It seems thing are going to get much worse before they get better. If they ever do get better. If were not lie to i will eat my hat
One thing for sure 2012 we will see change ,"people will wake up"
My last comment
this song reminds me of cleg and cameron well all politics realy enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EU-Xwm7RY
So our unelected goverment has made some changes to gain some favour with the populace as a whole, just gives them more rope to hang themselves and us with. Give them time and they will soon be sh*tting on us and as usual there will be lots of whining and the odd insignificant protest (fuel protests?) but as usual nothing will change, maybe we should be a bit more like the french or the americans ()
So our unelected goverment has made some changes to gain some favour with the populace as a whole, just gives them more rope to hang themselves and us with. Give them time and they will soon be sh*tting on us and as usual there will be lots of whining and the odd insignificant protest (fuel protests?) but as usual nothing will change, maybe we should be a bit more like the french or the americans (
1 in 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0we7NmojM
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