Andy, that's awesome
Other than machining another pulley location, what other modifications are required for the f4rt head to seat on the f4r block?
Andy, that's awesome
Other than machining another pulley location, what other modifications are required for the f4rt head to seat on the f4r block?
Originally Posted by Spooky
Andy, that's awesome
Other than machining another pulley location, what other modifications are required for the f4rt head to seat on the f4r block?
Thats a secret
nothing at ALL
Cue 225 heads being bought up and down the country and 5 turbos everywhere running f4r/f4rt hybrid engine and retaining the all important OE bonnet
I did the same as Scoff... toruqe it up and forget! Seems to be OK so far.Is Auto Data tellign me fibs
20nm
20nm
100degrees
100 degrees
renault say
20Nb
then 165degrees...
I think ill start again tommorrow, as i get a headgasket with the full seal kit
Cue 225 heads being bought up and down the country and 5 turbos everywhere running f4r/f4rt hybrid engine and retaining the all important OE bonnet
Keeping the bonnet is a big plus as you may have gathered with what I have said before but the other thing was the level of power the combination of the engines Andy is aiming to achieve.
I am just really intrigued about the driveability of it too. I know you guys are aiming for useable torque and good horsepower, that build will not just be awesome on track but pretty handy on the road, which, ultimately is what I want.
I just can't wait to see the finished article
Spooky it's going to be a beast I'm sure it only weighs around the 850kg mark as well.
831
Obviously without you in it! LOL
much
The only major difference for a GTT would be the exhaust manifold layout. I take it the Clio has the room to keep the turbo in it's oe position?
Looking forward to seeing it plumbed in with all the engines juices in full flow
Yeah, luckily Andy's pervious engine was a F4R so everything lines up no probs, we'll find out next week how much space is between the block and bulkhead but people have been turboing clio williams and valvers using log manifolds where the turbo sits square on the back, with the OE turbo it sits on top of manifold so is even more compact so we can't see any probs in that area.
Wellll.
The engine is built!!! Its ready too drop in
Got a full Gasket Kit today from Renault, so i used that head gasket and its went on how you lads said, so i got some photos for you scoff
The Cam Seals installed
The Special Renault Glue uses
Crank Seals
Cam Bolts
Timed up, rocker fitted and painted
Manifolds fitted,
Awaiting turbo Gasket and then, it will be dropped into the car
Im only 14Clem you checky get
Of the rods? Looking forward to seeing those! Get tehm uploaded lad
so i got some photos for you scoff
Andy what sort of fueling system did you run with the old engine?
Is it the same as clios and megs with the fuel pressure regulator in the tank? or did you have it on the fuel rail the same as mine?
As this could be our first stumbling block
I've never seen a meg 225 fuel rail so i'm not sure if it could be adapted to run an external fuel rail or not. I've had a look at Matts project thread and he's running an external FPR but not sure if it's the original rail.
I wonder if a ph1 fuel rail would fit? that way you could use a stock fpr instead of an external one.
I actually have these left over from my conversion
http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2103
http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2251
Might be some use
By the looks of it Matt is using the standard fuel rail, come on Andy it should be running by now at the speed you work!
Steve.
The OEM Megane Fuel Rail only as a INPUT, controling the pigging fuel pressure from the tank.
The Clio 172 ph1 does fit but the brackets to hold it too the rale dont.
I am going to make a custom fuel rale
I already have a Adjustable FPR so i am good at the moment Cheers Buddy
This will be in the car this weekend and the exhaust started on
Then Scoff will be sending me a shiny ECU and loom
Andy, not sure what your regulator is but if its a 3 port, leave the standard rail, plum the supply to it. Let the regulator return to tank. Job done!
What size injectors are you going for then?
Andy, not sure what your regulator is but if its a 3 port, leave the standard rail, plum the supply to it. Let the regulator return to tank. Job done!
What do you mean?? the rail that comes with the megane engine doesnt have a end to return it too the tank??
Andy
some nice juice 555cc from a Impreza STi that i happaen to have lying about
fit the regulator before the fuel rail
So inline from the fuel pumps??? and then block up the "return " fuel pipe
andy, like this:
imagine your fuel line from the tank via the pump, this goes to a T piece. one oultet of the T piece goes to the rail, the other goes to the 'in' on the regulator. The 'out' of the regulator is your return to the tank. The regulator will pressurise everything before it, including the T piece, including the rail. I think Matt ended up doing his like this since I remember a similar conversation about a year ago
Ah i understand now
Scoff tryed callign you ALL night "welcome to orange"
Well here are a few selected pix as at the min, lots of "tarting upp too do still
The Blue resien from renault £9 robbing *******s
Wouldnt be a project thread with out a pix of me and me mate Tony, who came too help me torque the pullys on
The Turbo sat in place, going too get its ceramicly coated
andy, like this:
imagine your fuel line from the tank via the pump, this goes to a T piece. one oultet of the T piece goes to the rail, the other goes to the 'in' on the regulator. The 'out' of the regulator is your return to the tank. The regulator will pressurise everything before it, including the T piece, including the rail. I think Matt ended up doing his like this since I remember a similar conversation about a year ago
Awesome mate. Youll be chuffed with that engine if its pokey as mine. Is that a new water pump i see??
sorry andy, phone's right next to me ?Ah i understand now
Scoff tryed callign you ALL night "welcome to orange"
Just looked at it, no signal. that'll be one crashed nokia then
replacing every single thing young man
andy
Trial Fitment of the Engine Went well. I knew the Break Servo would be a issue, but sod the brake we need BOOST
Ordering Brake Pedal box tonight so that shoudl sort things out
Sorry for the shocking image quality took my Wilkys Blackberry
Oh and Wilkys Track Car Punto too , nearly sorted too its got a 2.0 16v Turbo from a Fiat Coupe in it
You'll need a custom exhaust regardless of what you do for braking so you might just as well get an exhaust craftsman to work his magic working with what you've got??
You'll need a heatshield to protect brake servo.
i wont need a custom exhaust at all., its a full custom system on there already. and the megane cat pipe that i am using to size up matches my custom front pipe already, we changed teh flange.
Regardless if i did get a custom down pipe it would still touch the servo,
so the servo is being removed and a pedal box fitted
cheers for your input tho
Good progress mate. Bags of room in there im jelouse!!
Maybe if you use a remote resivior from a GTT might you have enough space to squeeze a 2.25" downpipe out.
Thats an all too familiar sight from the weekendThe Blue resien from renault £9 robbing *******s
I hope I don't have to see that for a long time yet!
Looks like you're making good progress Andy, good work.
Steve said you had a night mare mate
All sorted now tho
Scoff please give me more info
andy
I think scoff means instead of the resevoir sitting on the top of the master cylinder, you have a remote resevoir feeding the master cylinder. This might give you a little more room.
Do the R5's run this?? I am not sure TBH, the body of the Hydrolics sticks out as far
Are you using k-tecs de cat pipe or the standard cat?
The de cat pipe comes out quite a bit, shouldn't be too much to get a down pipe made and mated up though should it?
I will be using a decat pipe mate, its a track car so i dont need to pass a MOT, even tho it gets one every year too make sure every thing is safe, it always fails on Emmisions untill i put the sport cat in
Well Well Well.
One of the final parts is on its way from Liverpool thanks too the Scoffmister!!! Our ECU will be here tommorrow good job i have the day off work, Thanks to my good mate and co owner mitch he found the money and got it paid for
Updates tommorrow
OHOHOH its here
Let me know how you get on with the loom, I'm starting mine at the weekend.
Loom is done, pretty much did in one night
Just the TPS to sort out need to speak to Scoof re this but he was in london yesterday so he was busy.
The only other part i need to sort is the wires for the boost solinoid
Well Well.
Intercooler and custom pipe work here tommorrow
Wiring done and sorted with help from the Scoff, , , And Matt for there help on the phone. Doesnt help when i am colour blind LOL
Throtttle Bodie Sorted
ta daaa
Very nice matey, and the TB seems to fit niceley!!All in all very good progress!
Yeah that throttle body looks a lot easier fit than an F7R one, did the inlet need machining to match it ?
yeah slightyly but only took 2 mins
Well Got my Boost Pipes, and my water pipes back today
From turbo too the intercooler pipe work
Nice biscuits......
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