painting the car white

[philg]

I am starting to get the ball rolling paint wise, questions about paint, me and a mate are painting the inside and also the engine bay, not to fussed on perfect finish, that money will be spent on the outside.

My kid did his whole inside just with rattle cans and clear coat, my pall wants to use cellulose paint to paint it with. Thats what he used to paint his last two cars.

Could someone explain the paint differences, cellulose, water based, two pac etc?

The car is a 91 in glazier white, i think the code is 389?

Can you still buy this colour, or is the a new fresher white to buy, i see alot of people have painted dimond white, or an audi white

Sorry for being a bit thick

phil

[djinuk]

ive always been told that for a garage spec job with no spray booth etc that 2pac paint is the easiest to go for, i believe cellulose is quite difficult to spray and requires a very good finish from the gun.

Im only learning at the moment but thats my initial understanding.

[philg]

does 2 pac not require masks and ventilation etc. I think its harder to buy to.


Where is dave when you need him,

phil

[Scoff]

If you get the breathing gear in order then 2 pack is the easiest option, assuming you wont have an oven to bake it in etc. It'll be nicer to flat and polish up afterward too. It's not hard to buy really.

[philg]

no oven, explain how its easier please.

phil

[Scoff]

no oven, explain how its easier please.

phil

Well, easier because:

1 you don't need an oven
2 it goes off pretty quickly minimising the time dust has to settle in it
3 it's relitively easy to paint compared to other types
4 it's easy to polish up afterward if it's a good brand and not some 5 ltrs for £30 crap.
5 since it's white you can paint it with a solid paint, so no clear cote required

[philg]

been having a look around cellulose is supposed to be easy to paint for beginners, 2 pac requires breathing apps and an oven.

cellulose is better on older cars, 2 pac has a more modern finish

phil

[Schakal]

cellulose is not better , its easy to correct if you fook it up in places .

[Scoff]

been having a look around cellulose is supposed to be easy to paint for beginners, 2 pac requires breathing apps and an oven.

cellulose is better on older cars, 2 pac has a more modern finish

phil

well no, I've just told you the opposite to both and I've been painting for some years

Its true though that a lot of the older boys like cellulose, claiming that 2k gives a plastic-like finish. but really, 2k is what you want, the cellulose fans tend to be have much older cars than the GT .

[Ashy]

Well, easier because:

1 you don't need an oven
2 it goes off pretty quickly minimising the time dust has to settle in it
3 it's relitively easy to paint compared to other types
4 it's easy to polish up afterward if it's a good brand and not some 5 ltrs for £30 crap.
5 since it's white you can paint it with a solid paint, so no clear cote required

2 pac all day long, always used it and had good results... Like has been said it'll be a doddle with a nice flat white blow over too

I've never used full air fed breathing apparatus, just have good ventalation and a good quality double filter mask! I suppose i depends how much you're doing!

[philg]

so with 2 pac do i need to then put on a clear coat, or can i buy 2 pac with that already in the paint, like a sort of one coat?

cheers chaps



phil

[Scoff]

so with 2 pac do i need to then put on a clear coat, or can i buy 2 pac with that already in the paint, like a sort of one coat?

cheers chaps



phil

white can just be a solid, all white, no clear cotes, like I said already

[philg]

top man scoff, so i can buy a glazier white in a 2 pac as a solid, correct?

Do or will i need a paint code.

And would you paint it a different white or keep it oem?


cheers phil

[djinuk]

thats 2k white straight from the gun, pure white that was.

[philg]

thats 2k white straight from the gun, pure white that was.

so 2k is 2 pac.

Is that a solid then?

[djinuk]

yup, my first time painting aswell

remmber though 90% prep 10 % spray time, and any imperfections in filler etc look 10000x worse in paint

[philg]

that does look canny mind


phil

[JRP]

Look to the bottom of the linked page...

Thats what it will look like once sprayed in oem white glac

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=6285&page=3

[djinuk]

that does look canny mind


phil

do you mean canny as in rattle can spec ?

[JRP]

do you mean canny as in rattle can spec ?

Confused also, i know different people in different parts of the country use it for different meanings...

one person canny means he likes somthing

the other says it when he cant do somthing

[clee]

do you mean canny as in rattle can spec ?

http://www.geordie.org.uk/

hadawayan****eman


Looking good Damian

[rs250nut]

thats 2k white straight from the gun, pure white that was.

As in pure white straight off the scheme with no added tinters?

[philg]

do you mean canny as in rattle can spec ?

as in good


cheeky feckers

phil

[philg]

http://www.geordie.org.uk/

hadawayan****eman


Looking good Damian

[djinuk]

haha, cheers man..

yea pure white striaght off the scheme with no tinters

[rs250nut]

haha, cheers man..

yea pure white striaght off the scheme with no tinters

I bet thats bright as ****

[djinuk]

hehe yea man its pretty white, more than anything its cheap and easy to get the paint, and its going on my 205 gti6 track spec, so should i need to repaint anything its going to be cheap and easy

[philg]

do you have a paint code for the glazier white or is it 389?

[raj]

ive just had my bumper repainted in glacier white 389, the guy at the bodyshop told me after that there were 12 variants on the 389 colour

[philg]

right found a local paint supplier, so buying is no problem, i have been looking through his little colour samples, it appears there are 5-6 shades of Renault glazier white.

paint is about £22 per litre mixed or there are loads of off the shelf colours, dimond white etc for about £10 per litre. Should i buy another white, any recommendations?

How many litres should buy, im going to be doing the inside of car including doors and tail gate also engine bay. Would 3 lites be enough?

How many litres of primer to?

I have been told, primer light tac coat, then thick coat, then 2 coats of white.

Its pretty much all rubbed down now, next im treating a few areas with some por 15.

phil

[djinuk]

that off the shelf white sounds real cheap, get pics up

[Trevhib]

Phil, no advice on paint here but I just need to correct you on something for my own sanity.

Glazier - A man who works with glass, like a window manufacturer or fitter
Glacier - Like an ice-shelf, a ginormous iceberg, generally white in colour

GL with the car. I love white GTTs.

Trev

[The new Bill J]

Phil, no advice on paint here but I just need to correct you on something for my own sanity.

Glazier - A man who works with glass, like a window manufacturer or fitter
Glacier - Like an ice-shelf, a ginormous iceberg, generally white in colour

GL with the car. I love white GTTs.

Trev

It's not just me that gets wound up by that then?

[Trevhib]

It's one of many on the boards here

[NayJ]

hijackin for a min, what about red, how many original shades is there and what looks best, is it better in 2pac aswell and which paint type fades quicker cus reds a bitch to look after
thanks

[Scottish9Turbo]

be quick if you want 2pac paint mate, theyre starting the transition to water based most paint suppliers, motor factors up here are only dealing in water based now apart from one place for 2pac and B.C.L as well for "specific" cars from now on....

load of bollocks for this environment crap really as per usual... just finished painting my 5 shell white and it looks amazing in 2pac to be honest. painted my vans for a few years with 2pac and theyve always been fine with it.

dont fancy using that water based much its a pain in the a** to deal with some times!

[Spooky]

On the subject of paint, what are the 'white' colour codes?

I need a few litres as I'll be doing a bareshell spray of the lowrider when the sills are like new again

[Spooky]

Or is the 2pac white paint just white and not glacier, polar white etc ?

[philg]

how does polar white compare to glacier white, is it brighter or cleaner?

phil

[djinuk]

im liking reading this topic, im currently learning all about paints etc , and enjoying it a lot. please keep it updated

[Spooky]

im liking reading this topic, im currently learning all about paints etc , and enjoying it a lot. please keep it updated

[Trevhib]

how does polar white compare to glacier white, is it brighter or cleaner?

phil

You can really only answer questions like this by liasing with your paint supplier and looking at swatches (or whatever they do).

I think Glacier white is one of the brighter/whiter of the available shades and it's Renault OE. If you're not bothered about going OE though, just choose the one you most like the look of off the shelf. If it's bright white you're after, then ask for the brightest they do!

That said, I do seem to remember someone on here painting their GTT in a whiter white than Glacier. I forget who now or what white it was or what car it came from. It did appear to be noticable but then it was a fresh repsray in a bright white, ya know...

[Ross]

im liking reading this topic, im currently learning all about paints etc , and enjoying it a lot. please keep it updated

me to its ironic i was just looking into getting a spray gun to have a few goes myself on smaller bits and this thread started!!

[djinuk]

lol there are a few, take a look at my thread regards bumpers i think.

[philg]

just spoken to someone, im going to have a look at merc alpine white.

[Haz]

generally its mainly 2k thats used at most places, waterbased is tryin to take over but there are alot of problems with it, colour matchin bein the main one. until the manufactures can come up wit a proper solution there will always be 2k, it was supposed to phased out in summer 2008 but still goin strong. ideally you want proper breathing apparatus but a normal charcoal filter face mask will do, sayin that, i have on many occasions not used a mask, purely because condensation builds up in the mask and always seems to drip out while leaning halfway across a bonnet. heat isnt required for 2k but will reduce drying times, as will rocket a speedy hardener, but personally natural dryin is best as the paint levels nicer with time, reducing and orange peel finish.
2k primer is also alot better to use than celli and the likes as its much thicker and sets much harder. ford diamond white looks yellow compared to the others, i tend to use it when touching up white engine bays that have gone yellower with oil over time. polar white is cleaner than glacier, but there are 2 main shades of 389, a few whiter, a few bluer. you can also get commercial paints for wagons etc but generally only come in black,white, red. the paint is alot thicker so requires alot more thinners but goes alot further and with the same results, the main benifit bein priced around £40 for 5 ltrs for churchill, opposed to £32 per litre for brands such as max mayer. also always try to buy the most expensive hardners and thinners esp as a beginner, it makes for a better job to work wit and for finish. regards amounts, it depends how much is bein painted, and repainted but 3ltrs should be plenty, as there's also 1.5ltrs hardner plus up to 30% thinners so there'll be between 5-6 ltrs total. best to get enough and supply paint to the bodyshop so it all matches.

[djinuk]

out of interest i heard to term , solvent basecoat and 2k clear..

is that basically 2k but metallics, so therefore i presume it needs the lacquer.

[philg]

there is some great advice coming guys, keep it up


phil

[rs250nut]

out of interest i heard to term , solvent basecoat and 2k clear..

is that basically 2k but metallics, so therefore i presume it needs the lacquer.

You can get any colour you like in base coat, be it solid or metallic. Solvent base and 2k base coat same thing. With solvent base coat you dont add a hardner only thinners.

[Haz]

2k laquer/clearcoat is just clear 2k paint, but is a bit harder wearing. genrally if its a solid colour then you'd choose not to do it in clear over base mainly because it takes the same time to do colour as it does for laquer, thus savin time than it would to colour in basecoat first. also as a beginner, basecoat can be tricky to get full colour coverage where some areas may appear see through, and laquer is harder to judge on how thick you can apply it before it starts to run.