Rally Project

[Blot]

Ok, some pics in profile

Car picked up and gone to Motoscope for a few bits and bats to get it back on the road in the first instance.

Hoping to do a fair bit myself this time around, but right now need it to have a good check over and a few bits doing in preparation of MOT and getting its MSA log book too

Needs brake servo and system sorting
General spanner check, noted a few bolts here and there missing
Exhaust re attaching

Just had plugs/oil/filters done

Navigator clocks need wiring up, plumbed in extinguisher renewing to AFFF, new harnesses, tank guard and sump guard re fitting and then hopefully good to go

Exterior unlikely to get much attention, though tempted to get spongebob on the roof just to finish it off, concentrating on mechanical reliability and getting ready for 1st rally experience in new year hopefully

[Rob@Backyardracing]

Nice one Blot..

[Blot]

Cheers Rob

Had a good natter with Pock today and got a plan together.

Mechanically, not too much to do.

Good news is agreed to run with no servo. Adding a hydraulic handbrake though (leaving the parking brake too)

Biggest pain is that cars going for a new MSA log book (not renewal) now have to have MSA approved seats and mounts, what a pain.

Biggest expense on the horizon is the race suits, helmets and tyres.

Plan is to enter the Xmas stages and Jack Frost rallies at Croft in the new year

[Andrew Cooke]

It'll be interesting to see how you get on sorting the pedal box to get rid of the servo, also what you think of the brakes unboosted

[rs250nut]

It'll be interesting to see how you get on sorting the pedal box to get rid of the servo, also what you think of the brakes unboosted

What sort of brake set-up do you have? Is it a twin clyinder jobbie with remote adjustment, whats it like on your right/left leg?

[Andrew Cooke]

What sort of brake set-up do you have? Is it a twin clyinder jobbie with remote adjustment, whats it like on your right/left leg?

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[Blot]

It'll be interesting to see how you get on sorting the pedal box to get rid of the servo, also what you think of the brakes unboosted

Indeed

Theory was that with the right choice of pads and on tarmac or gravel stages, no need for a servo as most likely to lock up with one. Will keep you posted on how this goes.

Meanwhile, think I'll start building my thigh/calf muscles up just in case!

Top of pedal box

[Andrew Cooke]

I'm going to be nosey now

what did the pedal box start out as? What diameter master cylinders are you using?

I'm guessing that you might try smaller diameter cylinders without a servo?

I'm trying to remember, but I don't think I've ever driven a car with disk brakes and no servo.

[Blot]

I'm going to be nosey now

what did the pedal box start out as? What diameter master cylinders are you using?

I'm guessing that you might try smaller diameter cylinders without a servo?

I'm trying to remember, but I don't think I've ever driven a car with disk brakes and no servo.

At mo, can't tell you simply as I' don't know and car is away.

What I do know is that there is an original pedal box in the pile of spares in the garage. The current set up is all 'as inherited' and yet to be properly investigated by anyone.

Am away for next week and nowt happening to the car till following week anyway as they are stacked out at the mo. As soon as they get a look and I get chance, I'll let you know all details.

It'll be around for the RTOC rr session there, so if I do forget, hopefully someone on here will remember to check!

Like you, don't recall driving this set up ever, but am assured virtually all the rally cars they maintain don't use a servo.

Could this lead to another cooke weight saving??

[Alastair]

Cheers Rob

Had a good natter with Pock today and got a plan together.

Mechanically, not too much to do.

Good news is agreed to run with no servo. Adding a hydraulic handbrake though (leaving the parking brake too)

Biggest pain is that cars going for a new MSA log book (not renewal) now have to have MSA approved seats and mounts, what a pain.

Biggest expense on the horizon is the race suits, helmets and tyres.

Plan is to enter the Xmas stages and Jack Frost rallies at Croft in the new year

Im entering the Croft Xmas stages too Hope to see you there on the 28th. Do you know when they are opening the entry list for applications, ive emailed and had no reply yet?

I am also log booking my car in the very near future, if you get any good bits of advice / tips then please let me know!

[Andrew Cooke]

Could this lead to another cooke weight saving??

it's obviously something I've thought about, but in the end decided there were better things to spend my time/money on. I think if there had been an off the shelf kit I'd have done it. For rallying there is a clear benefit in that you can use a hydraulic handbrake with the front/rear split.

[Blot]

Im entering the Croft Xmas stages too Hope to see you there on the 28th. Do you know when they are opening the entry list for applications, ive emailed and had no reply yet?

I am also log booking my car in the very near future, if you get any good bits of advice / tips then please let me know!

Have texted mate who does the xmas and jack frost every year to find out.

Have you done any rallying before Alastair? Looking to break my duck. May as well pick one of the busier ones to run at the back.

Experience with the cup car was that getting the log book was far less hassle than getting past the picky scrutineers at some of the sprints (wrong type of petrol cap according to one of them ) . Seems things have tightened up somewhat in regs in the 2 years I've been away and are not exactly helping making it affordable for clubman entry into the sport.

[Alastair]

it's obviously something I've thought about, but in the end decided there were better things to spend my time/money on. I think if there had been an off the shelf kit I'd have done it. For rallying there is a clear benefit in that you can use a hydraulic handbrake with the front/rear split.

I run a hyd handbrake without 2 master cylinders. I joined the two rear lines with a T, it then run through a bias Vv, through Hyd handbrake, and split to rear calipers through another T. Works fine for me, but i can see the advantages of 2 master cylinders. It was a pain to bleed the first time though . Not sure how big your leg is going to have to be without the servo though.

Blot, the rally car looks ace, where did you unearth it from ?

[Blot]

I run a hyd handbrake without 2 master cylinders. I joined the two rear lines with a T, it then run through a bias Vv, through Hyd handbrake, and split to rear calipers through another T. Works fine for me, but i can see the advantages of 2 master cylinders. It was a pain to bleed the first time though . Not sure how big your leg is going to have to be without the servo though.

Blot, the rally car looks ace, where did you unearth it from ?

Twas an absolute ebay fluke Alastair and a ridiculous bargain for once!

Forget left foot or right foot, I may be the 1st to introduce 2 footed braking

I assume it your blue 5 project you are going to be using?

Just looking at http://www.rockinghamstages.co.uk/ thinking it might be a nice place to start before Croft if I manage to sort everything out in time

[Alastair]

Have texted mate who does the xmas and jack frost every year to find out.

Have you done any rallying before Alastair? Looking to break my duck. May as well pick one of the busier ones to run at the back.

Experience with the cup car was that getting the log book was far less hassle than getting past the picky scrutineers at some of the sprints (wrong type of petrol cap according to one of them ) . Seems things have tightened up somewhat in regs in the 2 years I've been away and are not exactly helping making it affordable for clubman entry into the sport.

Thanks, being down in Plymouth makes it difficult to pop to Northallerton high street to say hello and ask when the forms are available at a club meet.

I'm a novice too, and yes in the blue 5, but my brother is racing his Mk II Escort so ill be getting some help from him on the day. I doubt i'll set any records, likely to be at the back too but i am really looking forward to it.

I know what you mean about the regs, ive just purchased 2 new seats as mine were just out of date and have been studying the blue book...

[gtmatt]

your soon cracking on blot , glad you got another french rocket , will be good to see it when its finished ,i am sure it will be all sorted very soon

[Blot]

your soon cracking on blot , glad you got another french rocket , will be good to see it when its finished ,i am sure it will be all sorted very soon

aii cracking on, not much time to get it sorted and have a shakedown to allow for the inevitable disasters that will occur

[gtmatt]

aii cracking on, not much time to get it sorted and have a shakedown to allow for the inevitable disasters that will occur

dnt be so negitive i am sure it will be spot on ,

[Blot]

dnt be so negitive i am sure it will be spot on ,

Cup car- 1st track day ran perfectly- last lap of day- caught fire

Cup car- 1st track day after rebuild after fire- sighting lap- caught fire

T2 - 1st track day ran perfectly- day after- caught fire

New car- has hand held and plumbed in extinguishers- they will catch fire

Law of averages says must be due one that behaves ......surely?!!

[Mart]

No law (except sods) when it comes to gtt's.

Motoscope have fire damage cover I take it?

[Blot]

No law (except sods) when it comes to gtt's.

Motoscope have fire damage cover I take it?

[Andrew Cooke]

I run a hyd handbrake without 2 master cylinders. I joined the two rear lines with a T, it then run through a bias Vv, through Hyd handbrake, and split to rear calipers through another T. Works fine for me, but i can see the advantages of 2 master cylinders. It was a pain to bleed the first time though .

The problem with doing that is you join the split circuit into a single circuit, if you get a leak anywhere you'll lose all braking. If I did that, and a scruitineer spotted it I wouldn't get to run.

[rs250nut]

it's obviously something I've thought about, but in the end decided there were better things to spend my time/money on. I think if there had been an off the shelf kit I'd have done it. For rallying there is a clear benefit in that you can use a hydraulic handbrake with the front/rear split.

Could you not use a floor mounted kit?

[Alastair]

The problem with doing that is you join the split circuit into a single circuit, if you get a leak anywhere you'll lose all braking. If I did that, and a scruitineer spotted it I wouldn't get to run.

Good point Andrew, however I thought that the two piston chamber design of the GTT bendix master cylinder allowes the rear two lines to be joined (so long as they are from the opposite outlets of the master cylinder, NOT opposite corners), so a leak will leave you with two independant front brakes? If not i may need another re-design before Croft?

Blot, any news from your friend about when entry opens for the Christmas Stages?

[Blot]

Nope, no text back yet Alastair, will let you know as soon as tho

[Blot]

Hadn't expected any work on the car but Bobby got some hours in on it yesterday

Pedal box now connected turns out it is from an Escort (which is handy for motoscope!)



The most important part now in place


Brake bias adjuster moved


Hydraulic Handbrake fixed up



MOT this week, ready for the RTOC RR day.

Ordered MSA reg Corbeau seats, 6 point harnesses, Got a good price for 2 x triple layer race suits, 2 sparco helmets plus intercom equipment.

Insurance to sort next, one chance to reap the advantages of being an old git

Alastair- apparently entry forms don't normally come out till a month or so before, will keep any eye out in the local press. T'other place to check which tends to promote all the croft events is Ian Hardy's site www.ianhardy.net

[Andrew Cooke]

why are you adjusting the brake bias by limiting the pressure in the rear line rather than at the pedal box?

[Blot]

It's the way the system was set up before Andy, they just moved it forwards as it was where the hydraulic handbrake now is. Whether it is any good...time will tell (or the 1st corner!)

[Alastair]

Alastair- apparently entry forms don't normally come out till a month or so before, will keep any eye out in the local press. T'other place to check which tends to promote all the croft events is Ian Hardy's site www.ianhardy.net

Blot, many thanks. Your car looks like it i coming together nicely .

[Andrew Cooke]

It's the way the system was set up before Andy, they just moved it forwards as it was where the hydraulic handbrake now is. Whether it is any good...time will tell (or the 1st corner!)

fair enough, not saying it's right or wrong, just not what I expected.

[Woznaldo]

I like this project and i'm especially interested to hear how you get on with the brakes. I'm hoping to do some sprints next year (time/work permitting) and the rules call for a split system where if you lose one half the other half must be on the same axle i.e. front/rear split.

[Matt Cole]

Nice one Blot. looking forward to seeing Tweety go deaf when on full chat!!!

[Blot]

Woznaldo- Hoping to fix up MSA log book scrutineering as soon as seats/harnesses are in, so will let you know of any issues that come up

Matt- Got no idea how it's going to run, it's allegedly got an uprated cam and various other bits, but as the guy who sold it to me said, there isn't any paperwork to back that up so am assuming its standard at best! Still think it will go KABOOM and shower everyone in yellow feathers....

[Blot]

not what I expected.

Which is probably what I'll be thinking first time I hit the brakes lol!

[Blot]

Insurance sorted today for tweetie

Fully comp for road use, sprints, hill climbs and single venue tarmac rallying. No limitations to mileage etc.

£180

http://www.richardeggerinsurance.co.uk/

[Mudslinger]

jeez thats cheap £180 ????

ill need to be giving this place a call in the morning

are all mods declared ?

[Blot]

even the picture of daffy duck on the arse of the car is declared Mud

Think it was himself's missus I spoke with, so refreshing to speak with someone who knew what a turbo 2 was as well as a GTT!!

[Andrew Cooke]

I've been thinking about your brakes....

The way the pedal works is if one side loses pressure the linkage will neck out and allow you to keep braking on the remaining half.

The pressure regulator will lock off the rear brakes at a certain pressure.

To the pedal, the rear circuit will go solid when the regualtor kicks in and any further pressure will require the linkage to pivot, if it pivots far enough to neck out you won't be able to brake any harder. This will get worse if the front brakes get spongy...

Before you go anywhere have a good look at how much that linkage rocks without pressing the pedal, then get someone to press the pedal as hard as possible and check that it all looks sensible.

I hope this makes sense, shout if it doesn't.

Andy

[Mart]

Bet they've never heard of the 1.7L, twin-turbo, Raider model though

Nice insurance quote. I'll be calling them come renewal time

[Blot]

I've been thinking about your brakes....

The way the pedal works is if one side loses pressure the linkage will neck out and allow you to keep braking on the remaining half.

The pressure regulator will lock off the rear brakes at a certain pressure.

To the pedal, the rear circuit will go solid when the regualtor kicks in and any further pressure will require the linkage to pivot, if it pivots far enough to neck out you won't be able to brake any harder. This will get worse if the front brakes get spongy...

Before you go anywhere have a good look at how much that linkage rocks without pressing the pedal, then get someone to press the pedal as hard as possible and check that it all looks sensible.

I hope this makes sense, shout if it doesn't.

Andy

Thanks Andy. Much Appreciated.

One for the RTOC crew to have a look at on Sunday at the RR perhaps

[Blot]

Bet they've never heard of the 1.7L, twin-turbo, Raider model though

Nice insurance quote. I'll be calling them come renewal time

aii. probably go even cheaper if you mention your saga membership number...

[Mart]

[Ashy]

Mart, you visiting Motorscope on Sunday? Fancy a convoy down with the lads?

[Mart]

I am mate, but I probably won't be there till late morning.

Saying that, if I am up the crack of dawn, what time & where are you guys meeting and I'll hook up with yous there.

[Blot]

Passed its MOT apparently, nipping in to pick up cert to get tweetie taxed

[Blot]

Billy bonus the new seats arrived today, still waiting for the harnesses though.




and the braking system has one further addition (as spotted/suspected by Mr Cooke) for adjusting bias at the peddle box


Needed one new wheel bearing and an indicator bulb for its MOT

No need for a turbo restrictor as inlet is within regs size

Nearly ready for MSA log book

Pock hoping to give it a run on the rollers tomorrow. Expecting to see a burnt out shell on sunday morning

[Blot]

Picked up and home just about safely. Had a good play with the bias settings and got somewhere near to ok. Will be a challenge to ever lock up thats for sure.

Predicted smoke was rising from the bonnet once home...just some oil burning off the heat shield thankfully

[Alastair]

No need for a turbo restrictor as inlet is within regs size

Nearly ready for MSA log book

Pock hoping to give it a run on the rollers tomorrow. Expecting to see a burnt out shell on sunday morning

Blot, you sure there is no need for a restrictor? I re-read the regs and thought we do? What section you looking at for the restrictor? I have had one machined up just in case, but obviously would rather not have to run it!

[Blot]

Gave motoscope the brief to get the car through msa log book and rally legal.

Feedback was no need for a restrictor. If any difference, will let you know Alastair.

[Alastair]

Ahhh have just twigged, if your running a t2 turbo the inlet to your compressor will be less than 34mm so no need for a restrictor...