Old Smokey

[DaveAVT]

Upped to 1.9 .Chris thought it might help me to run more boost on the 214 cc .I was getting hesitation at about 10lbs ....It seems to have helped a bit ,12psi and no issues .
I need another 2 A610 jobs .804s ......
Put 3 different idle valves on and they all do nuffink Wired in or not ,though the one on now at least keeps it at about 1200 which is OK .

Your car is certainly strange... What fuel pressure are you running?, and what regulator?

Have you actually checked you're actually getting 12v at the valve? Also, have you deffo deffo deffo checked your using the right wires for the outputs. Also, if you are, tried using different outputs instead of 1 and 2..

[clee]

Your car is certainly strange... What fuel pressure are you running?, and what regulator?

Have you actually checked you're actually getting 12v at the valve? Also, have you deffo deffo deffo checked your using the right wires for the outputs. Also, if you are, tried using different outputs instead of 1 and 2..

Std Reg and I've got 2.85 bar at idle ......


Just checked again again .....12.88 v on one side ,2.45v on the other as it's idling right now .................. weird just now ....Starting with power wires unplugged it revved right up to 3000 and stayed there .....I still have the throttle plate open a bit so I'm thinking the valve was fully open at that point .

[paul b]

Indeed one will not ' Av Itttttttttttttttttttttttt ! '



21 ....Renault
Attachment 94
GTA ....Bosch
Attachment 93

Oh #Bugger#

LOL....ah well, trust you buy a weird 21 Turbo....LOL

[Tiny Tim]

Not wierd, dizzyless phase 3 pixie magic...

They're steppers on the phase 3 arent they?

No biggie, I replaced the one (had been converted to run a ohase 2 lump) on my 21 for one off a clio... they're pretty common.

[DaveAVT]

Std Reg and I've got 2.85 bar at idle ......


Just checked again again .....12.88 v on one side ,2.45v on the other as it's idling right now .................. weird just now ....Starting with power wires unplugged it revved right up to 3000 and stayed there .....I still have the throttle plate open a bit so I'm thinking the valve was fully open at that point .

Ah i didnt mean are the wires correct in the sheet, I mean have *you* actually put the correct wire to the ISCV, or checked there isnt a break in connection somewhere.

Even if you have sticking valves, playing around with the numbers in WARI should still do something to it while you sit there, if its rev max, or stall. But your still getting nothing, am I right?

[clee]

Ah i didnt mean are the wires correct in the sheet, I mean have *you* actually put the correct wire to the ISCV, or checked there isnt a break in connection somewhere.

Even if you have sticking valves, playing around with the numbers in WARI should still do something to it while you sit there, if its rev max, or stall. But your still getting nothing, am I right?

Yep, checked continuity and the plug is the std plug .If I play with it in Wari it does alter but never runs correctly so I don't know .Dave M has some really odd figures that seem to sort it on his setup .......................End of the day ,if it starts and will idle at decent revs I'm happy .I haven't gone through all this grief to get it to idle sweetly

[clee]

The shakedown for Mallory continues .The crank sensor is getting tooooo hot I think .It's only about an inch away from the exhaust and after some spirited driving it starts to miss very badly .I have wrapped the exhaust locally and also the sensor itself .Might have to fab up a heat shield as well I think .

[clee]

Don't you just love it when that box of ****e throws out little gems
Looking to make a heatshield for the crank sensor and looks what I finds on an old 25T-turbo

Bent the plate flat and voila Like it was made for it

[paul b]

BRILLIANT..
top job

[DaveAVT]

Don't you just love it when that box of ****e throws out little gems
Looking to make a heatshield for the crank sensor and looks what I finds on an old 25T-turbo

Bent the plate flat and voila Like it was made for it

25T Actuator heatsheild, I got's one of them

[clee]

Turns out the sensor was too close @ 0.5mm I moved it away a good 2 mil and it doesn't drop out .But it's worse on a hot start .Somewhere in between will be good .
I think it moves and clips the wheel when close and hot .

[Os8472]

Turns out the sensor was too close @ 0.5mm I moved it away a good 2 mil and it doesn't drop out .But it's worse on a hot start .Somewhere in between will be good .
I think it moves and clips the wheel when close and hot .

the crank sensor should sit approx 0.9mm

[clee]

It doesn't seem to like being close at all About 2 mm away seems best ,although it will still struggle to start when very hot .
Got to sort a few oil leaks from the timing cover as well as it's getting covered in oil .......
Not as smokey as this one though
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbq0juIt0QQ

[paul b]

cracking vid......

and look at the crowds back in 1987...when it was a spectator sport for the masses...

good old Murray,soon to Brose's new job

[clee]

Think it's a F1 support race ....Should be getting the whole race on DVD soon .
Old Whizzo seems to be able to handle the rear end pretty well

[paul b]

Whizzo = HERO

[DaveAVT]

Hi quality mode

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbq0juIt0QQ&fmt=18

[DaveAVT]

It doesn't seem to like being close at all About 2 mm away seems best ,although it will still struggle to start when very hot .

Is that definately sensor related or something to do with temperature related cranking fuel enrichment in your map?

[clee]

Yeh it may be cranking fuel ,dunno .I'm gonna get Mr Scoff to fine tune it once the bigger injectors etc are done .It is running the same all the time now ,starts on second turn from stone cold ,doesn't miss .Only had a slight issue at Mallory with it missing coming out of the hairpin with about 5 gals ,put some more fuel in and it went away .

[clee]

I'll take this one thanks Paul

[paul b]

LOL....fiat coupe wins the badge.....LOL

so, that will be one hundred million dollars......

[clee]

Fixed ready for heat soak test .Turned end tank 180 ,extra room for pipework .

Need to run some ducting from the side vents . Found just the jobs at Merlin Motorsport
Small collector @ side vent
25cm x 8 cm at the cooler .

Gonna work out expensive at this rate

[paul b]

top man.....

[paul b]

cheers for popping over Lee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

like its made for the job,well done that man..

[clee]

[paul b]

KINELL,

only just finished my kebab and chips and you have a heatshield and bracket for it....

[clee]

It's meant to be 25T turbo shield and a bit of ali with holes in already at exactly the right pitch
The outlet was getting hot but the core remains cool without any ducting ...

[clee]

All done I will need to fit an air temp gauge so I can compare this to the std .
Would a food temp probe type unit be good enough ?? I can't get the Std Renault unit on the throttle body to read correctly in Adaptronic for some reason .It worked before but seems to have gone wrong .Saying 80c + from stone cold ..

[paul b]

TOP JOB LEE....

hope your happy with it, looks a neat job too....

[clee]

It'll ' PING ' when she's done as well , just set the desired temp
I can compare the two setups .Should really plumb in another boost gauge pre coolers to check drop ...............

[clee]

Had another test day at Bruntingthorpe yesterday .
Big thanks to Scoff for finally getting the Adaptronic sorted

The 2nd test days figures were taken with the car as it is now but running on the std renix with big turbo @ a bars boost ......

There's a lot more to come I feel as I'm only running 12 psi on a std turbo with 214 cc injectors .Next stage is 300bhp capable turbio and 330 cc.
Figures coming out now are very good .These are of course subjective but all the figures were taken on the same equipment at the same venue over three events .
So a level playing field for once .
I've yet to see the official results but old JIL is avin-em-all 1b1
Only thing close to her is a 50 grand supercar with 350 bhp

Yesterday's results JIL
0-60 5.8s
1/4 14.4 @ 98
0-60-0 10.4 Std brakes ds2500 grooved front and rear discs .

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Results from test days 1 & 2

BHP (Corrected) At Flywheel

Alistair Stripp GTA Atmo 158.5
Simon Taylor GTA Turbo 202.6
Justin Black GTA Turbo 170.0
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo 191.8
Tony Law GTA Le Mans 202.0
Joe Salama A610 265.9
Mark Garner Clio V6 227.5
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo 211.8
Paul Rombaut Renault 21 Turbo 188.0
Steve Kentish Renault 21 Quadra 213.6 (225.9 boosted)

PERFORMANCE 0-60 (Best Run)

Alistair Stripp GTA Atmo 7.6s
Simon Taylor GTA Turbo 6.7s
Justin Black GTA Turbo 6.9s
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo DNR*
Tony Law GTA Le Mans 6.2s
Joe Salama A610 6.0s
Mark Garner Clio V6 6.9s
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo 7.3s
Paul Rombaut Renault 21 Turbo 7.5s
Steve Kentish Renault 21 Quadra 7.1s (6.8s boosted)

* 2nd Gear Failure

PERFORMANCE VMAX (Best Run)

Alistair Stripp GTA Atmo 136.2mph
Simon Taylor GTA Turbo 143.6mph
Justin Black GTA Turbo 143.9mph
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo 128.8mph
Tony Law GTA Le Mans 142.5mph
Joe Salama A610 153.1mph
Mark Garner Clio V6 135.4mph
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo 139.1mph
Paul Rombaut Renault 21 Turbo 126.5mph
Steve Kentish Renault 21 Quadra 135.4mph


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RAOC BRUNTINGTHORPE RESULTS 30/11/07 CONDITIONS DAMP

NAME VEHICLE COLOUR 0-60 0-100 VMAX BHP 1/4 Mile

Kevan Slater Clio V6 255 Blue 6.9s 19.5s 125.7mph 240bhp 16.3 @ 91.2
Lee Hodson Megane 225 Red 7.2s 17.7s 133.8mph 229bhp 15.8 @ 94.1
Andy Mackenzie Wintle A310 V6 Yellow 7.6s 23.3s 129.2mph 136bhp 16.3 @ 86.1
Lee Crowston GTA Turbo White 6.8s 15.5s 135.8mph 214bhp 15.1 @ 98.3
Keith Walker Venturi 400 Red 5.3s 11.2s 168.6mph 364bhp 13.8 @ 109.3
Chris Hawes Delorean Silver 9.2s 24.7s 117.2mph 130bhp 17.4 @ 80.3
Mark Garner Clio V6 Silver 6.7s 18.0s 135.8mph 230bhp* 15.6 @ 92.5
Simon Gamblen Renault 21 Turbo Red 8.3s 19.3s 142.0mph 212bhp* 16.3 @ 91.4
Andy Holt Spider Yellow 6.1s 13.8s 145.4mph NT 14.8 @ 102.1
Martin Guard Venturi 300 Silver 6.0s 13.8s 115.9mph NT 15.6 @ 100.0

* Previous Test
NT = Not Tested

I haven't confirmed this with the manufacturers but the figures for the unmodified cars would seem to suggest a correction factor of approx 6% to 7% for the power figures due to the wet surface.

For example that would put the 400GT output closer to 390 bhp

[Scoff]

good results, and for not much boost, well done

[clee]

I'm really pleased .After the last year it's good to actually get out there and use the car .
It even sat in M1 traffic jam for an hour on the way home with just one little burp

I'm sending the big turbo to Adam to repair then I'll be up for you to sort the fine tuning on the bigger set-up .

I also spoke to the guy with the 610 conversion , he's now up for having another go at sorting his I think .You may get a mail ..........

[Scoff]

as ever, no problem, just shout when you need some more mapping done.

looking at those trap speeds you've done well in comparison to the rest, quickest renault by far, besides the yellow spider, assiming thats a renault spider. forget 0-60's, 1/4miles, they're all grip and driver related, the real tell-all is the trap speed.

how heavy is your car with you sat in it ? I could estimate rwhp from that and your 1/4m trap.

[clee]

I meant to get it weighed but didn't get round to it .....I weigh 90k
Kerb weight is 1180 kg for a GTA Turbo.I reckon I've lost about 40/50kg stripping .Tank was about 2 galls off full .
Yellow Spid is not std btw ....It's that Turbo f4rt

[steveT2]

Looking good Lee, its always good to see a GTA going well, and with more to come, hopfully ill get my ass to a meet nxt year (if i have a car running)

[clee]

[raj]

where where them clips filmed..? is it local to us?

[clee]

Bruntingthorpe airfield, Lutterworth , just south of Leicester .You can hire it for test days which means you can time and log
Think the club has to be MSA registered to do events .Insurance cover etc .....
2 mile runway about 65 yards wide + a bit of a track .