The answer to all this is very easy.
Everyone step down. Then the club, all members whom wish to vote, can vote the admin/commitee in.
If at that point, all the same admin get in. Thats it. Discussion over.
This club was ran far far better in the last decade.
Time for change.
Agreed
Time For Change!
There needs to be action now, no more words! stick a poll up to see if the members want change or not.
Agreed, we do.... but we need 'doers' not people that say they will do things & then back out after a few weeks of it.. There aren't many that are willing to give up personal time to keep a car club running..
So the committee steps down how does the club keep goin while the vote goes on ? And then say new members get voted in how do they know what to do or how to do it?Originally Posted by Kenobi
You don't know until you try!
I don't think you can just oust the current committee, I think if people want roles they should be bought into the CM to 'help', see how they get on & then a vote. Or we could end up as Chris says, with a load of new people without a clue what to do.... it won't work.You don't know until you try!
Some roles are easy to do, some are not.
Being a member of a shooting club that has a committee & constitution (of which I am on the committee), trust me it won't work.
Could you dissolve the current people , vote in a "holding" member and form the comittee whilst being overseen by the holding member.
Once the commitee is formed the holding member retires ?
Phil you say time for change can you tell me what you want to change and how you would do it ?
I feel what we need to do is people continue adding to Moggys thread https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=36004.
This way we should start to see a pattern of what people think needs to happen, & maybe some suggestions will come from it that make sense (as they already have) & we can implement them into the club.
Not everyone will be happy, no-one ever is, that's life unfortunately.
I for one would like to do a simple vote, who is happy with the way the club is run, who wants change, who doesn't care as long as the crap stops.
Hey up buddy. I have proposed this but had the answer that people on here dont vote.
I would counter that if you force people to vote they will ...
Add this into Moggys thread please if you have some input though Phil, or it will get lost in this thread.Phil you say time for change can you tell me what you want to change and how you would do it ?
It is true, in the past the voting thing hasn't worked, I feel, like you, we should give this a go to see the outcome. It would need to be worded simply & have 3 options ??
I think you have to phrase the questions positivity.
1) Do you feel change is needed within the running of the club
A) Yes
B) No
etc
I dont think this will come to fruition though unfortunately.
Good idea keeping everything in one thread so that people's views and opinions do not get lost.
However, might I add that if a member does ask a question or come up with an idea, that those who are in the position of oversight of the club and the decision makers answer that question? Even if they think the idea is foolish or completely unrealistic, just a response saying so would show members that their opinions are at least being heard.
Thank you
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Thats a top idea.
Any vote on electoral matters should require a minimum % of the membership to take part in order for the results to stand.
It would maybe make sense not to use the total number of club members as the 100% measure, since a number are totally/virtually inactive. Perhaps those who have logged on to the site at least x times in the last x months should be used to identify the total number of active members.
For example:
total members - 400
total members deemed 'active' - 180
% required for electoral voting to be legitimate - 51%
Minimum votes required - 92
A mailshot to the membership could be done beforehand.
Hold the vote before people step down then.
So the current Gang/Posse stay in place and simply apply for thier roles.
Im sure some of the staff will stay in place even after voting.
You can see who is likely to get voted out as they are the ones least likely to accept this kind of reform.
Seems logical.
There is no need for reforms to achieve the above. Those things are already covered within the existing club rules.
This is just a con.
With all due respect, I have no respect for this nonsense.
The answer will be an overwhelming yes!
Even if a tiny tiny change is needed, then there is only one answer.
There is always some change needed.
So lets our save ourselves a load a time wasting and lets assume the vote has happened and the answer was yes.
• What changes are proposed.
• This is what the club as a whole needs to identify and work on.
The committee are very busy lately making a lot of changes.
Danny, i have a lot of time for you mate.. but you don't half talk someHold the vote before people step down then.
So the current Gang/Posse stay in place and simply apply for thier roles.
Im sure some of the staff will stay in place even after voting.
You can see who is likely to get voted out as they are the ones least likely to accept this kind of reform.
sometimes..
Ian , If I had of posted that you would have come down on me like a ton of bricks. Anyway , work through the next bit with me :
Assume what Trev said was taken up , 51% of all active people need to vote.
If 51% of the active vote , voted that NO they dont think anything needs doing then continue down the path that you are going down.
If it goes the other way , then readdress.
Its not a snipe or a winge at you or the CM , its to find out if there is a problem. I dont get why you are so defensive over this bit ? I appreciate everything in life can be improved on , but there is little point in terms of a club if noone wants it. That is all the first question is establishing.
I know the CM are working on stuff because we have had long PM's about it but the other guys out there will have to read between the lines and the post the Ross has put up. Why not tell them the things that you guys are trying to achieve ? Everyone loves a trier , even if some of the stuff doesnt come off.
When you put it like that, fair enough
There has been so much antagonism and sniping lately with little or no real justification.
We know that some changes are needed, already established that ages ago.
The simple problem is, and has been, lack of man power.
It's good and encouraging that people do make a general offer to help out. The difficult part is matching that to what needs to be done.
One role here probably is someone to do that matching.
Establish what is needed, write some detail and establish what it is that people offering can do.
If I or other people currently managing the cub could easily whip this up then we would have by now.
I was up until nearly 3 am again last night doing general stuff for the RTOC. On Saturday I worked 13 for the RTOC of the 14 hours I was up. Yesterday, today, a lot of days, a lot of hours. Other people have been putting in a lot of time lately too.
It would be good people offered to do some specific task that we could get going. Two people offered to do stuff with the home page a few months ago but that was not so easy to make happen. In time it may be.
Danny, i have a lot of time for you mate.. but you don't half talk some
LOL hi lover.
I think we nearly agreed on something.When you put it like that, fair enough
This could be uncharted territory.
I dont think anyone out there doubts your work and commitment to the club Ian. I never have.
Ok instead of voting on the current committee positions, like some people want, would it not be better to list all the roles that need filling with a brief description of the roll and candidates can put there names down and we can vote all these new people in that can help out. Makes sense to fill these rolls first before we have any major change. Just an idea
I see what you are saying , but some people might not like or want to work alongside the current people plus in whatever short timefram they might have to revote.
I think the idea of a steering group could work , or alternatively a transitional Chairman who does holds the club together for the few weeks that a transition is in place.
Failing that , Scoff is politically uncorrputable so could keep the site running in transient times.
But this is moot until it is ascertained whether a change is wanted.
Hey if it's not the old leader of the call of duty 3 [c][t] clan!!!LOL hi lover.
You still playing? I am although not half as sharp as I used to be
Little punks!!!!
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Agree with that .Maybe also give the positions / roles a length of time a couple of years
They already do.
https://www.rtoc.org/club/?show=committee
the rules currently state, if i read them wrong that the term is a year, and members stand for re election, voted for by the committee and then told to the club at the agm. thats if im reading them right? thing is i think we are all thinking along the lines of the club voting but as far as i read ( again could be wrong) the committee make the decisions on who are in the committee? Is this correct?
arghhhhh dam no edit button! unless i read them wrong not if i read them wrong, also could of deleted it after the link was posted
From my experiance it's more like ...we have a vacancy ...no-one applies for the role or at most only a couple and if we are lucky we manage to get someone that sticks with it for more than a few months ...
Yes the committe make the decision but that's irrelevant if it's a choice of 1 .
Sorry to piss on any parades of a brave new world but really ,honestly, and with zero axe to grind that's what happens Adey .
yeah cool, just double checking that's how it was written. I think the general majority of people are thinking that they some how get to vote members into the committee, and thats just not how it works
OK, so now that this thread has turned toward positive replies, here's my 2p.
Having closely read the club constitution, there is IMO a flaw - one which inevitably leads
to accusations of clique etc. There should be clear demarcations between elected officers
and appointees. The top 4 positions, plus committee members per se should all be elected
by the membership - preferably by postal ballot / online ballot. Terms of office should also
be looked at - maybe eligible for up to 4 years, in place for 2 years without challenge.
The appointed officers should only be appointed by the committee - events organiser,
shopkeeper, publicity officer, etc. They should not be considered as committee members!
All appointed officers can/should attend committee meetings but whether or not they
take part in a committee vote should be in the gift of the chairman.
The whole point is to spread the workload over as many heads as possible so that the
post-holders are able to give it their all. Many hands etc...
The above should go some way toward solving current issues.
Regards,
Steve
People keep moaning and making opinions on about the club ,why don't we just have a vote about the changes etc or this threads will go on and on ,or is the commitee keep going to ban members and restrict them
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You still playing? I am although not half as sharp as I used to be
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Will do.. You playing on ps4?
Come again
Edited it , done on my phone as the website is phone friendlyCome again
The committee has never been the 'clique'. Some members have commented over the years that there have been a group of members who think they ARE the RTOC rather than part of it. This has gone on a lot longer than there's been committee.
The whole point of the committee is to spread the workload so it's not just one person and maybe a couple of friends doing everything.
Thats the best way to achieve the common goal. Fill the roles that are empty and provide any support for the people in roles who are struggling or busy. Sort of like a gym buddy per se. We all know life is busy and sometimes it takes priority over hobbies and intrests so a role helper would make sense.
There is so much energy and abundance in this club im sure it wont crack, fade or splinter. Its how we all channel our efforts. In moggys thread there is the answer to 99% of problems or most issues the club has.
From someone who over the last few weeks who has become sick to death of the acrimonious whinging, perhaps there is some light in the tunnel. Good luck to all who are positively involved and the comittee
The fact some of them are busy on here at 1.38am as I post is a testament to there commitment.
Please Ian, don't take my posts out of context. Now is not the time for CMs to be on the
defensive. The emphasis is that there have been such accusations quite vociferously
made and under your present constitution that perception will continue, regardless of it
being real or not. I'm not making accusations here! I'm simply commenting upon a quite
dreadful situation as I see it. Someone with fresh eyes and dismayed by the negativity.
As for your last sentence, again, isn't that exactly what people have perceived to have
happened? All I've read of late is that too few people are sufficiently active. I agree with
the spirit of what you're saying, wholeheartedly, and the suggestions I'm making are not
attacks, but simply a different, more open, way of looking at things. We all hate change,
but change is inevitable if the club is to move ahead. No organisation stands still and
thrives.
Regards,
Steve
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