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    Re: AEI programmable

    The improvement over stock on those graphs is very impressive for the money from my point of view. This is exciting a development as Sid's rock and rollers!

    You could spend as much money on an OE GTT doing other things and not get this sort of power/torque improvement with such a smooth curve. It looks like a fantastic upgrade for OE owners. The only thing is as AFAIK stock pressure is less than the quoted 0.9bar (13psi). Maybe that's where some of the extra oomph is coming from. I assume running this level of boost is ok on standard jetting.

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    Re: AEI programmable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigsy View Post
    This actually sounds very appealing with all these features

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevhib View Post
    It looks like a fantastic upgrade for OE owners. The only thing is as AFAIK stock pressure is less than the quoted 0.9bar (13psi). Maybe that's where some of the extra oomph is coming from. I assume running this level of boost is ok on standard jetting.
    Just about.

    I wasn't going to comment on the graph (#canofworms ), but I would've expected slightly more gain than ~10hp with a ~4psi boost increase & tailored ignition map. However, it's a graph, maybe not even an actual RR graph (not that that would matter either!), so no point raising the bet when there's only a pair of 2's to hand.

    What would be more handy to see, for reference, is a (highly) modified C1J running this aei, with before & after results - This is where, with a tuned map, it should start to show its worth more so.

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Just read all the thread, as said before. Be interesting to see if the advantages would be larger on a modified GT. Do you think it would be worth it Mart??

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    Re: AEI programmable

    It's got the potential to be - It's plug n' play, no welded on trigger wheel & sensor to worry about, the o.e rev counter will still work, it has some nice features, retains the o.e look, little, if any, additional wiring, designed & supported by a GTT enthusiast.

    Only moot points I can see thus far...

    - It's an unknown quantity on a modified engine.
    - The map scaling isn't the greatest, but not the end of the world.
    - We haven't seen the software yet.
    - Would be nice if the internal map sensor read more than 1.5bar, but again, not the end of the world, except it'll cost to upgrade to the 3bar type, then there's extra wiring (albeit only 3 wires), so it then loses its 'all in one box' appeal.
    - The cost.

    As far as I'm concerned though, bar the cost, the pros of this aeiP definitely outweigh the cons

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    Re: AEI programmable

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    Stephane / Sebastien. Has this AEI been fitted to any modified cars running over 200bhp ?

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    Re: AEI programmable

    This exact way of ignition management isn't proven but other forms of management have proved to make a huge difference on a c1j with a turbo attached that doesnt boost till gone 4k, I'm sure it was somewhere along the lines of much better off boost and less lag from the turbo also and some slight top end gain for good measure

    I'm not much of a software buff myself but the fact that a unit has "better" software will this mean you will get better results?

    I like the idea very much but the price does make me think twice about it

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Software's software. As long as it writes the correct data to the ecu, and is reasonably user-friendly/has a good user interface, that's all it needs to do.

    Engine mapping is only as good as the person keying in the data...

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    Re: AEI programmable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post

    Engine mapping is only as good as the person keying in the data...
    Wont be me then...................

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by *Yellow* View Post
    New poster! (less than 10 posts)



    Wont be me then...................
    Hahaha same

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    It's got the potential to be - It's plug n' play, no welded on trigger wheel & sensor to worry about, the o.e rev counter will still work, it has some nice features, retains the o.e look, little, if any, additional wiring, designed & supported by a GTT enthusiast.

    Only moot points I can see thus far...

    - It's an unknown quantity on a modified engine.
    - The map scaling isn't the greatest, but not the end of the world.
    - We haven't seen the software yet.
    - Would be nice if the internal map sensor read more than 1.5bar, but again, not the end of the world, except it'll cost to upgrade to the 3bar type, then there's extra wiring (albeit only 3 wires), so it then loses its 'all in one box' appeal.
    - The cost.

    As far as I'm concerned though, bar the cost, the pros of this aeiP definitely outweigh the cons
    Thanks pal

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Another question, will the software be available in english?

    In theory with a decent ign map it will work well, advance before spoolup, less ign on big boost setups, a proper map after 6k not like the standard aei.

    Id be happy with one with 3 bar map sensor...group buy??

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Lots of mention of benefits for big laggy turbo's, much benefit for us vnt users?

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Hello,

    Sébastien's writing again!

    Hope i don't miss any question, so let's go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    It's got the potential to be - It's plug n' play, no welded on trigger wheel & sensor to worry about, the o.e rev counter will still work, it has some nice features, retains the o.e look, little, if any, additional wiring, designed & supported by a GTT enthusiast. Correct!

    Only moot points I can see thus far...

    - It's an unknown quantity on a modified engine. Right, let's see it in a few days!
    - The map scaling isn't the greatest, but not the end of the world. You can upgrade to a 36x36 scale if i'm not mistaken...
    - We haven't seen the software yet. I'll try to send you a screen copy
    - Would be nice if the internal map sensor read more than 1.5bar, but again, not the end of the world, except it'll cost to upgrade to the 3bar type, then there's extra wiring (albeit only 3 wires), so it then loses its 'all in one box' appeal. No extra wiring: 4 bar map will take place the 2.5. Option will certainely be include with a group buy. i'll tell you soon.
    - The cost. always this f*** problem! Even for us!

    As far as I'm concerned though, bar the cost, the pros of this aeiP definitely outweigh the cons
    Quote Originally Posted by *Yellow* View Post
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    Stephane / Sebastien. Has this AEI been fitted to any modified cars running over 200bhp ?
    Please keep following this tread! We just receive a R11 turbo GrA, with the renault sport 180 bhp kit. This car will receive 1 of our AEI. Advance ignition map will be done on our RR, with WB O² sensor + Thermocouple to perfectly map this C1J engine. This R11 run a GT25RS with all the GrA Renault Sport Kit, + few extra. Boost is about 1.8 bar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brigsy View Post
    Another question, will the software be available in english?

    In theory with a decent ign map it will work well, advance before spoolup, less ign on big boost setups, a proper map after 6k not like the standard aei.

    Id be happy with one with 3 bar map sensor...group buy??

    Hello, English software coming with this unit.

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Salut Seb, tu connais Neotech?

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Great responses to all the questions

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt@CodeRedMotorsports View Post
    Salut Seb, tu connais Neotech?
    Salut Matt,

    Oui je connais de nom comme un peu tout le monde. Mais je ne travail pas avec Lunlun, ni avec McFly.

    Je pense que le produit que nous vendons est bien différent de l'AEIp de l'époque (10 ans environ).

    Merci.

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Software's software. As long as it writes the correct data to the ecu, and is reasonably user-friendly/has a good user interface, that's all it needs to do.

    Engine mapping is only as good as the person keying in the data...
    I think this is exactly the same point of vue we have. User-Friendly software is important, but user has to know what he's doing. Advance is very important for performance and good combustion, but can also blow off an engine (or just a head gasket if you're lucky) in less time than it takes to write it! User has to take care to advance value!

    We will send unit with a RE209 stock ignition table or if request, with the map upgrade we made on the stock GTT we tuned. But this will have to be check and tune to match YOUR Engine!

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveMayGTT View Post
    Lots of mention of benefits for big laggy turbo's, much benefit for us vnt users?

    More benefit for you guys than all of us..... i dont think a 5 was ever meant to have 20+psi at 2000rpm lol thats a lot of load when the revs are low.

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Any more news on this?


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    Re: AEI programmable

    Hello, I'm Sébastien logged with Sephane's account.

    We're working on a R11 Turbo GrA 180bhp RenaultSport competition's kit at this moment.

    Car feel very powerfull, dynocurve will be available very soon.

    What's important on this car, we fitt an AEI of our production, tuned on our RR.

    Let's see the result and speak with you soon!

    See you,
    Seb.

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    Re: AEI programmable

    very interested but I won't be the first to test but I will be waiting for the very interesting results.. Keep up the great work guys..

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by xenon View Post
    Hello, I'm Sébastien logged with Sephane's account.

    We're working on a R11 Turbo GrA 180bhp RenaultSport competition's kit at this moment.

    Car feel very powerfull, dynocurve will be available very soon.

    What's important on this car, we fitt an AEI of our production, tuned on our RR.

    Let's see the result and speak with you soon!

    See you,
    Seb.
    Come on Séb, let the UK guys get their hands on one, and let's see what we can do with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Come on Séb, let the UK guys get their hands on one, and let's see what we can do with it.


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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by *Yellow* View Post

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Got to be a deal here to be struck? How many aei units do we all have between us and mike? Then a group buy to get the quantities and the discounts worth while?

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    Re: AEI programmable

    hello dave.
    here the rate
    (it are drawn with low!!) of the AEI, with the options!

    Without option: 425€
    With Option piloting sural: 510€
    option: -1/+3 BAR: 25€
    Thus AEI full OPTION: 560€

    has to know that as soon as an option is taken, I will have to be specified this for the AEI:
    if you want an option “Entered or, Left”

    these function correspond ace its:
    Entry: One sends information on the AEI (kind a sensor temperature) and one will be able to manage a parameter according to this information. (increase in the advance, the pressure of sural, shifted interrupter, starting strategy,…)

    Exit: One uses a driving parameter (mode or pressure) to control an additional kind: Pulverization water on exchanger, Shift-Light,…

    possibility of delivering it to the meeting of SANGLIER in France ace of the member of the RTOC to avoid the expenses of sendings.

    has to know that you will have to turn over a AEI (208/209, even with membrane HS!)

    I would make my to better answer you in English (lol)



    ace you.



    PS: I have accepted mine the last we!!
    it is only happiness!!!!
    the behavior of the car ace to change radically.

    much more flexible in phase atmo, but radical in turbo phase!!

    more temperature of radically descended exhaust one!!
    it there ace some BMW which still remembers it lol.

    I you it council!! it is extra toys

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by xenon View Post
    Hello, I'm Sébastien logged with Sephane's account.

    We're working on a R11 Turbo GrA 180bhp RenaultSport competition's kit at this moment.

    Car feel very powerfull, dynocurve will be available very soon.

    What's important on this car, we fitt an AEI of our production, tuned on our RR.

    Let's see the result and speak with you soon!

    See you,
    Seb.
    Any news on the results ?

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by *Yellow* View Post
    Any news on the results ?
    Hello Guys,

    This is Sebastien again.

    We finished to work on the R11 Turbo GrA few weeks ago.

    Engine is stock, just low compression.

    RenaultSport old school 180 bhp camshaft

    GT25R turbo on standard housing with 34mm inlet restriction (for competition)

    GrA Carb

    60mm downpipe + 60mm side exhaust

    tubular exhaust manifold

    AEI programmable of course!

    Customer use to run 1.5 bar to 1.8 bar in competition but we look inside the engine with an endoscope (little camera) and the pistons had some knock impact. But head gasket was ok, and no leaks at all! pffffiou!

    We tuned the carb + AEI on the dyno, and push boost at 1.4 bar because the engine is not great.

    We hit 227 bhp (engine) and 300 n.m.

    Here is the dyno test.

    So Stephane told you prices, if you want to get them at the Sanglier's metting, please tell me before 1st may and tell me options you would like.

    You can send me e-mail (ask to Stephane) if you want anyother informations.

    Regards,

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Sorry, i forgot 1 thing.

    Can i youtube link the video of the RR test?

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevhib View Post
    The improvement over stock on those graphs is very impressive for the money from my point of view. This is exciting a development as Sid's rock and rollers!

    You could spend as much money on an OE GTT doing other things and not get this sort of power/torque improvement with such a smooth curve. It looks like a fantastic upgrade for OE owners. The only thing is as AFAIK stock pressure is less than the quoted 0.9bar (13psi). Maybe that's where some of the extra oomph is coming from. I assume running this level of boost is ok on standard jetting.
    That's true,

    GT turbo come with this pressure, but all was stock, and carb too. we didn't plug any AFR or thermocouple to check jets are fine tuned, but looks ok.

    Car has about 120.000 kms, std turbo, some minor bits like 1 manifold's gudgon missing, ... but all parts in stock config.

    130 bhp is a nice power for a GT turbo like this.

    About Stephane's AEI programmable, he observe EGT lower than with std 209 (about 60°C), and car feel very smooth.

    Seems all positive from Steph and Tof08 (Black R11 turbo)

    Seb.

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Given it's still a bit of an unknown quantity, and we haven't seen the software (yet), I'd personally still like to try before I buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Given it's still a bit of an unknown quantity, and we haven't seen the software (yet), I'd personally still like to try before I buy.
    Just a suggestion. All those interested club together and buy 1 unit. This can be used to get some firm data and hands on experience. Once finished it gets raffled off to 1 person who helped fund the initial purchase. Personally I don't mind stumping up 20 quid or so if it helps progress things forward. Just an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Given it's still a bit of an unknown quantity, and we haven't seen the software (yet), I'd personally still like to try before I buy.
    Yes i understand this point of vue.

    We will arrange demonstrations at the meeting Sanglier in Grance this summer.

    I think this can be a great way for you guys to put your hands on this product, and maybe to try on a UK GT turbo, don't you?

    Regards,

    Seb.

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    Re: AEI programmable



    We'll chew the fat over a nice cold Belgian brew

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    Quote Originally Posted by xenon View Post
    Sorry, i forgot 1 thing.

    Can i youtube link the video of the RR test?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8ikvzYU9wE

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    Re: AEI programmable

    to interest :
    Moriarty : sans option
    Mle tigre : FULL OPTION avec entré
    TROLL: 2 aei sans option
    Darkslide : sans option
    Piston : FULL OPTION avec entrée
    le Tof : sans option

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    Re: AEI programmable

    Lots of interest guys, hope something can be sorted on this

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    Re: AEI programmable

    It will be a winter buy if I doit.. That's when overtime season kicks in for me

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    Is this still available and as it been tested on a tuned r5?

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    Re: AEI programmable

    I completely missed this one. It's great to see people are still investing time and money into old school Renaults. I wouldn't be interested in buying one myself as I have MegaSquirt running my ignition and will be going full EFI eventually.....

    Has this completely stalled? Did anyone get to sample a unit on a UK car?

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    Great thread, shame i'm not in a position to purchase this. Hopefully in the near future
    I'm pretty sure Xenon had this in the classifieds again recently??

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