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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    ashy, nice one

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Did you want the phase 2 1 aswell matey to play with??

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    ashy, stick that spare coolant sensor you have in too and I'll make you that converter we talked about.

    james, that might be handy, I will do some more reading yet though because it's the phase 1 that I'm not sure about. If I get to a stage where I've bought a programmer then I'll give you a shout.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Well engine part in just won't mate up with gtt box will try again tomoz as bloody cold.

    (Excuse the state of the rocker cover and the fuel rail cover which will not be staying will clean up rocker once I finally get it running).
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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    Well engine part in just won't mate up with gtt box will try again tomoz as bloody cold
    you have moved the dowels?

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    you have moved the dowels?
    I have removed the rear 1 as the front went on fine will remove the other over the next couple of days and see what happens apart from that it is pretty much in minus the inlet plenium as the bonnet wouldn't close with it on. Need to sort bonnet now
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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    I have removed the rear 1 as the front went on fine will remove the other over th next couple of days and see what happens apart from that it is pretty much in minus the inler manfold as the bonnet wouldn't close with it on. Need to sort bonnet now
    you need to move both dowels, plus they are different to GTT ones, I forget how, but they are.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke View Post
    you need to move both dowels, plus they are different to GTT ones, I forget how, but they are.


    I think this applies to me last night in the cold putting the engine in

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    I think this applies to me last night in the cold putting the engine in
    could have been worse, you could have been where I was; in a pub with an open fire. Actually, scratch that

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

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    Its looking good james. cant wate to see it turbo'd

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Excellent project look forward to seeing it in action.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    to take the engine out and the gearbox and mate the 2 together out of the engine bay
    Best plan, be easier in the long run!

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Can't wait to see this finished, gunna be fantastic, I know Scoff has done it already but his is an out an out drag car where as this will be used on the road, now that will be great

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Os8472 View Post
    Can't wait to see this finished, gunna be fantastic, I know Scoff has done it already but his is an out an out drag car where as this will be used on the road, now that will be great
    Cheers matey, Ashys done it before matey and his is used on the road.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    Cheers matey, Ashys done it before matey and his is used on the road.
    Ah didn't know that, still can't wait to see it up and running and hooning it round mallory at Nat Day next year

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    Best plan, be easier in the long run!
    yeah, because the block is so big it's a pig to get it in and out with the gearbox on. I do it all in one too. even then its a bitch to get in without scraping stuff. leave all brackets off, alternator, manifold, rear engine mount, the lot!!

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Going to go out now and have another go. It's so cold ohwell need it running as it's depressing seeing it sitting their.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    Going to go out now and have another go. It's so cold ohwell need it running as it's depressing seeing it sitting their.
    Yer want to try it with a megane lump!!

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by MATT C Ringworm Tuning View Post
    Yer want to try it with a megane lump!!
    I hope you're on a wireless connection from the garage!! chop chop, is it running yet?

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Got the bar steward on But my engine crane will now not lift the engine high enough to get it back in the car. Ohwell enough for tonight will sort out crane in a couple of days I am fapping freezing now.
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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    can you not just shorten your sling?

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    can you not just shorten your sling?

    I have got the sling so short as it will go but for some reason it will not go as high as it used to when you pump the handle it does nothing it's as though know pressure to force the arm up anymore. Prob need some kind of bleed of lubricate replacement I have found the drain hole just no idea where you fill it up??? Clarke CFC1000 anyone got any idea??

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    I have got the sling so short as it will go but for some reason it will not go as high as it used to when you pump the handle it does nothing it's as though know pressure to force the arm up anymore. Prob need some kind of bleed of lubricate replacement I have found the drain hole just no idea where you fill it up??? Clarke CFC1000 anyone got any idea??
    turn upside down and fill the drain? you'll be low on fluid.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    either low on fluid or the ram is knackered m8 had this with my one ended up getting the ram repaired by a local firm

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    You need to keep the ram vertical and remove the rubber bung. Fill until fluid starts to come out of hole. Replace the bung and with the release valve kept open, pump the ram handle several times. keep pumping and release/close the valve slowly. See if it goes all the way up. When its up force the ram down while opening the release valve. That should bleed and prime the pump.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Got the fecker in @ last just come in as it is now raining, still got the driveshafts to put back in.

    Kind of sorted the engine crane still dogey but managed away around it

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Could you do me a huge favour and while you have the grill off measure the area infront of the rad as i am looking to put a grill mount in. If not thats fine i was planning on doing it at the weekend anyway! Looking really good by the way!

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

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    Picture 2 is of a Volvo T5 throttle Body
    I need to change to the cable type throttle bodie, are there other throttle bodies that fit then? I've seem a couple on ebay one for an 850 and one for a v40 will either of these fit/do?

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    and the v40

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Warren View Post
    I need to change to the cable type throttle bodie, are there other throttle bodies that fit then? I've seem a couple on ebay one for an 850 and one for a v40 will either of these fit/do?

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    and the v40

    pm 4 you matey, the volvo TB will need accelerator linkage modifying / welding scoff uses this on his conversion both me and Ashy use the phase 1 172 TB on the phase 2 plenium

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    What size are valves on the 172 head?

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Did you sort out the sprung bolts on the down pipe? I found one of them in my garage the other day, i could post it to you if you need it? I know it can be tricky without the little cups!! I could get you a second one made up aswell if you want a pair? Lettuce know marrow

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    Did you sort out the sprung bolts on the down pipe? I found one of them in my garage the other day, i could post it to you if you need it? I know it can be tricky without the little cups!! I could get you a second one made up aswell if you want a pair? Lettuce know marrow

    I have got some very chunky bolts with some big washers just awaiting for a fellow RTOC member to post me some gtt ex springs as I have misplaced mine then all should be good exhaust is on at the mo without the ex springs.

    Going to try and start some wiring tomorrow if I get some time

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    Ill get another cup made and send them down to you, got some old springs somewhere too, i'll see what I can dig out. PM me your address again marrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    Ill get another cup made and send them down to you, got some old springs somewhere too, i'll see what I can dig out. PM me your address again marrow.

    pm your way matey

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Couple of update pics,

    172 rad and fan in place (tight fit) looks like a slim line fan will be on the cards.
    Many thanks to Ashy and Scoff for all the advice. Won't be long now as I have started the wiring so she should be started very soon.
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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Looking good matey, bet you cant wait to get it up and running... i loved mine when it was just NA. Went like stink and you could give it full beans without worrying about it blowing up!! Great on the track.

    It is tight that rad, Mat C has one of those to go in with his 225, I bet he'll be interested in those pics!!

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    looking good james..when are you hoping to turn it over?

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    I wish I could fit a rad as big as that. its getting there

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    That is a chunky fan and shroud isn't it, the size of the rad doesn't look far off the size of my 19 16v one i have. I needed a slime line fan even with the volvo lump.

    Scoff, you might be able to fit one in there if the intercooler was pulled slightly forward, thats one of the reason's why mines mount abit further out from the front panel.

    Its looking good mate

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Good work James. Im loving all these projects on here some really good work going on in the club.. keep it up chaps as its good to read....

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    is that a standard bonnet shut on there now mate?

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    Looking good matey, bet you cant wait to get it up and running... i loved mine when it was just NA. Went like stink and you could give it full beans without worrying about it blowing up!! Great on the track.

    It is tight that rad, Mat C has one of those to go in with his 225, I bet he'll be interested in those pics!!
    I can't fit mine. Just not enough room. Alternator in the way. It may go in with some thought. Anyway, that rad does not look like a comfortable fit. If its fouling on anything i would make sure its securely fastened down. The plastic side housings on them rads are quite thin.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashy View Post
    is that a standard bonnet shut on there now mate?
    Yeah but no inlet plenium underneath, that is on the drivers seat awaiting arrival of 16v bonnet
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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

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    Yeah but no inlet plenium underneath, that is on the drivers seat awaiting arrival of 16v bonnet

    Been out and had a look at the bonnet today and to be honest looked at the standard bonnet it catches on 1 side of the inlet plenium with a bit of an angle grind I reckon I could get it to close with the plenium in place but then how much movement will there be from the engine with the standard bonnet angle grinded might be safer to use the 16v bonnet
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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    Been out and had a look at the bonnet today and to be honest looked at the standard bonnet it catches on 1 side of the inlet plenium with a bit of an angle grind I reckon I could get it to close with the plenium in place but then how much movement will there be from the engine with the standard bonnet angle grinded might be safer to use the 16v bonnet
    I was looking at mine today james, I have a solid rear engine mount which sits about 1" lower than the standard mount, it drops the whole plenum by about 0.5". I rekon with a the standard bonnet it would still catch the plenum (just) even with the throttle area machined down (which I guess is the bit you are talking about). with my engine on standard mounts a standard bonnet was a definate no-go. On my new engine mount (different gearbox) I've got it a little lower still, a standard bonnet might go.

    point is, if you can be bothered making a new rear engine mount or modifying the black "V" shaped mount that bolts to the gearbox you might get away with it ?

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoff View Post
    I was looking at mine today james, I have a solid rear engine mount which sits about 1" lower than the standard mount, it drops the whole plenum by about 0.5". I rekon with a the standard bonnet it would still catch the plenum (just) even with the throttle area machined down (which I guess is the bit you are talking about). with my engine on standard mounts a standard bonnet was a definate no-go. On my new engine mount (different gearbox) I've got it a little lower still, a standard bonnet might go.

    point is, if you can be bothered making a new rear engine mount or modifying the black "V" shaped mount that bolts to the gearbox you might get away with it ?

    Cheers chris can't be arsed with any more work got a 16v bonnet on route cheers nayls

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    bah, don't be lazy I dropped mine down to try and keep the driveshafts parrallel with the floor, I had them perfectly level with the old gearbox. they sit a bit higher than I'd like now even after dropping the engine a little more. sump is actually lower than the subframe now, I'll have to be carefull on speed humps

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoff View Post
    bah, don't be lazy I dropped mine down to try and keep the driveshafts parrallel with the floor, I had them perfectly level with the old gearbox. they sit a bit higher than I'd like now even after dropping the engine a little more. sump is actually lower than the subframe now, I'll have to be carefull on speed humps
    Out of interest what front mounts do you use?
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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    totally standard james, gsf ones.

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    Re: R5 GTT 172 Project

    R5 16v Bonnet now on so enough clearance for inlet plenium
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