Just wondering if any of you lads in the know could recomend a good (oil cooled) spec for a Turbo?
The present Turbo is a T3 (Alpine GTA?)Compressor a/r 0.6, 60 trim, 0,36 exhaust housing with a 0.48 as a option??
Estimated BHP is around 270ish The engines 1565cc, headwork inc sodium valves etc, It will be going over to EFI (Adaptronic)next year with chris doing the mapping
Cheers, Steve
Last edited by steveT2; 17-11-2008 at 20:01.
you'll probably want the .48. What are you doing for a cam? How about considering the GT28RS?
I was looking at the GT series Turbos, isnt it a must with the water cooling thoughOriginally Posted by Andrew Cooke
as far as i can gather theres no provision for water cooling on the R5? A bit of a worry with the present T3 is lag
its bad enough now with the smaller housing. maybe some can be dialed out when on efi?
With the .48 do you reckon it will be OK for the estimated bhp?
Not sure with the spec of the cam JP is usingits a maxi spec cam? i think one down from the hotest available? ill try n get the spec
Last edited by steveT2; 17-11-2008 at 18:35.
It wouldn't be to hard to convert the turbo to water cooled.
Just wanting to keep it simple re; water pipe plumbing, Oil cooled only If poss
Just wanting to keep it simple re; water pipe plumbing, Oil cooled only If poss
Kind of limiting the turbo you could use tho. The roller bearings are all out the window. T3 it is then
Hi Steve
The oil-only limits you a bit. I think all of the GT series will want water ? can j.p not route you some water pipes ? GT28rs as Andy says would be real nice. Thats a T25 flange and discharge though, so custom manifold flange and exhaust.
Sticking with T3, I think 270hp is a push for the 60trim wheel and you'd need the 0.48ar to have a chance at that, 0.36 will choke it up good and proper.
I think even with a modern GT unit you'd have to tolerate some lag if you wanted to make 270hp. But, those extra cc's you have and EFI should mean that it isn't as flat off-boost as it was before, or atleast it may be no worse than it was if you swap upto the 0.48ar turbine.
If you can get a better turbo for the sake off adding a couple of water pipes it's probably worth it.I was looking at the GT series Turbos, isnt it a must with the water cooling though
With the .48 do you reckon it will be OK for the estimated bhp?
Not sure with the spec of the cam JP is using
I think I know what that cam is, it'll have a fair bit of overlap so you'll need to be wary of running too small an exhaust housing. What is JP recommending to use with his engine? What's your manifold? T3 flange, single scroll, internal wastegate?
The T3 AdamL built for my GTA spooled up very early, 2.3k ish 60trim with a std gta .36 turbine .I've since put a .48 on and it was about 3.5 , noticeably more grunt but no way near as responsive lower down the revs .
Ime starting to think its stick with the T3
Ive asked JP with the water cooling though and will post when i get a reply together with the cam spec.
Didnt the maxis use a T3/4 Turbo? saying that they were well over 300bhp
Just out of interest a old pic with the manifold trial fitted (before anyone says out i know theres 2 turbos)
Another thought, a TDC close ratio gearbox is going to be pushing it along, which may help with the lag? keeping it on the boil?
P.S. A few more pics of the new engine in my album.
I get really lost with the A/R, Trim, etcin fact all of it
This is a print out from a rolling road session at Motorscope last year with the standard(ish) engine, the three different readouts are because they were playing around with the MF2 controller/Water injection & boost, It was really crap to drive. really on/off, It had the smaller exhaust housing fitted
The 60 trim wheel people have mentioned above is the largest T3 wheel available. To save me typing it out and confusing things, Garrett explain everything on their site...
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...o_tech102.html
The a/r is the flow of the housing, the larger the number the more flow/lag.
you're forgetting the super 60 (~64 trim - 1.9" inducer). I've also seen a trim of over 70.
I wouldn't worry too much about previous results, what was that, about 1.3 bar? Pretty pisspoor result, but then, motorscope... You can see the turbo choking the engine from the shape of the curves.This is a print out from a rolling road session at Motorscope last year with the standard(ish) engine, the three different readouts are because they were playing around with the MF2 controller/Water injection & boost, It was really crap to drive. really on/off, It had the smaller exhaust housing fitted
whats the comp ratio changing too with your new mods? as i know the std engine comp ratio is 7ishnice and quick off boost
whats the comp ratio changing too with your new mods? as i know the std engine comp ratio is 7ish
Havnt a clue Russ, when i asked a while back with the cam spec he just said trust me ill make sure that you have the right cam SteveIme sure he knows what hes doing, so ill trust him
) but ill have a drive down after christmas and try to get some info on the specs.
Andy, The boost was 1 bar not 1.3 as i said on the in a prev postStill a little tempted with the GT28RS, ill see how things go into the new year. skint at the mo
If you're getting a cam that you don't know what it is you'll have to get whatever turbo JP suggests. You need to match them as a pair.
I thought someone might mention that
the turbo 2 water pump has 3 ports blocked off. surely you can use those to get water to a turbo?
Just a thought for maybe next year
Just thought i would post this pic of a T2 maxi exhaust housing, it a big n
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