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    what car?

    Looking for a rwd or 4wd car with a fair bit of grunt pref small and fun so far its the EVO that's getting the vote. Needs to be practical as an every day car and quite reliable with 4/5 seats.
    Main prob is that I'm looking at around 4k would like something a bit retro but with modern running gear. Any suggestions?

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    Re: what car?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Looking for a rwd or 4wd car with a fair bit of grunt pref small and fun so far its the EVO that's getting the vote. Needs to be practical as an every day car and quite reliable with 4/5 seats.
    Main prob is that I'm looking at around 4k would like something a bit retro but with modern running gear. Any suggestions?
    Capri

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    Re: what car?

    Volvo 740 estate turbo. But I guess that's not small but would be fun and very tuneable.

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    Re: what car?

    Was thinking 340 but I can't be ****ed to do the work so would have to be done up all ready.

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    Re: what car?

    Capri there quite cool don't know about an all right one in my price range thi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Was thinking 340 but I can't be ****ed to do the work so would have to be done up all ready.
    Yeah would need a fair bit of work as a c1j or bf18 would need major manifold mods to make fit plus a custom clutch. I guess a 172 lump would work well but then no boost also no lsd

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    Re: what car?

    Was thinking of 360ing the 5 have the gearbox at the back etc... But want something that I can just drive now and not worry about it so as they come is the best bet.

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    Re: what car?

    You can pick up Evo 5's for little over 4k if you look about now Gary. Or you are looking at Subaru's, good, fun cars but juicy.

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    Re: what car?

    Don't want a poobaru just don't like em. Was looking at EVO 5s as I like the look more than the 6 and thats what's getting the vote so far but was looking at otther options. I really like the Nissan gtir but just worried about reliability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Capri there quite cool don't know about an all right one in my price range thi.
    You'll be surprised mate- Scotty sold a good one and only sold it for 2K ish.


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    Re: what car?

    mazda 6 mps?

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    Re: what car?

    They look like they may be a bit big and boring to drive.

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    Re: what car?

    Beat me to it by ten minutes Adey

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-MAZDA...item3a84bd5a23


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    No bigger than an Evo I'd guess. My mate's MPS is the opposite of boring. The thing is rapid (lightly tuned). Tbh, not sure on the handling but the grip is phenomenal, Clarkson appears to like the way it drives - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbvKv-PofzM ("I have driven £100k coupes that are less fun than this").

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    Re: what car?

    Hmmm Il have a look at them as well then.

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    Re: what car?

    Didn't realise they were 4wd 2.3t defo have a look but they look a bit too sophisticated for me

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    Re: what car?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Don't want a poobaru just don't like em. Was looking at EVO 5s as I like the look more than the 6 and thats what's getting the vote so far but was looking at otther options. I really like the Nissan gtir but just worried about reliability.

    Love my Evo 6 I highly recomend an Evo, not really had any major problems with it starts and runs first and everytime. Have to use V power fuelyou get about 120 -200miles on a tank dependant on driving. Fuel gauges aren't very reliable so just reset your odometer every time you fill up and to be honest I top my tank up everytime I go out in it .

    Other than the AYC and top mounts knocking (coilovers about to be fitted and refurbed AYC pump purchased) all is good and runs really well for a car just under 400bhp.

    If you do go down the Evo route a few things to check on the Evo 4,5,6 and newer models AYC is working make sure bulbs not removed from rear of dash (easy to look 6 screws and dash clocks are out), Rust as not undersealed as made for Japanase weather even ralliart imports were not undersealed so check if it's just surface rust your lucky (like mine easy fix), also suspension knocks although most now run aftermarket the standard suspension and mounts are known to knock. Other than that the usual car check's engine noise's, smoke etc...

    HPI check's
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    Re: what car?

    Audi B5 s4 stretch and get the rs4 so much fun to drive

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    Re: what car?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRP View Post
    Audi B5 s4 stretch and get the rs4 so much fun to drive
    agree with that, had an s4. understeers abit but quick on the flat, very quick above 80 with about 350bhp, ran 12.6sqm. couldnt afford an rs4 though nearly every job in the bay requires major surgery, replacing my manifolds was 3 days and engine out job on my drive

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    Re: what car?

    Try finding an RS4 for £4k, even if looking at old B5's!

    A mate at work is selling an 53 plate S3 Quattro, nice clean car, well looked after (recent clutch, DMF, belts etc) & well within within your budget. Pretty sure you could haggle to sub £3k. Could get some more details if you like??

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    Re: what car?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy M View Post
    Try finding an RS4 for £4k, even if looking at old B5's!

    A mate at work is selling an 53 plate S3 Quattro, nice clean car, well looked after (recent clutch, DMF, belts etc) & well within within your budget. Pretty sure you could haggle to sub £3k. Could get some more details if you like??
    I did say stretch and get... As in double your money

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    Re: what car?

    Just seen a madza 6 mps and they look a bit to executive for me. I do like the a3 but not as much as the EVO. Was looking for something a bit rarer than an s3 like you don't see too many evos

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Just seen a madza 6 mps and they look a bit to executive for me. I do like the a3 but not as much as the EVO. Was looking for something a bit rarer than an s3 like you don't see too many evos
    Evo ... Deep pockets when it goes wrong

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    Re: what car?

    +1 For RS4.

    Old BMW M3
    http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classif...1308208393284/

    I'd say you'd be better going for a 2 seater like a MK2 MR2. Then having another family wagon.

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    Re: what car?

    I thought I would never say go for diesel but the BMW 330D and get it mapped

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot View Post
    I thought I would never say go for diesel but the BMW 330D and get it mapped
    Well if you're talking diesel, then the Skoda Octy/Fabia RS Diesel, with a map. The VAG 2.0 Tdi is a sweet engine.

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    Re: what car?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRP View Post
    Evo ... Deep pockets when it goes wrong

    Same could be said for anything VAG, BMW all depends what needs doing and your capabilities if you can do the work yourself it it's just parts cost if you can't that's when it get's expensive

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    Re: what car?

    Fcuk post 2006 VAG dervs, headaches with DPFs could end up costing over £1500 to resolve. Not worth the hassle imo.

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    Re: what car?

    im with jim my subaru impreza uk turbo ive had 3 years never had a problem, only ever lifted bonnet to check oil/water

    ultra reliable but sh1t on fuel like the evo, but gives a good buzz and a nice burble like your 5 gaz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy M View Post
    Fcuk post 2006 VAG dervs, headaches with DPFs could end up costing over £1500 to resolve. Not worth the hassle imo.
    I got rid of my st tdci mondeo because of problems that were about to happen, it had just got to the 90,000 mile mark and the repairs would have cost me thousands I did get 4 years problem free motoring from it mind before it started mucking about. Got myself a nice M sport E90 325i bmw. I'd never get a diesel again, especially after speaking to a well informed diesel specialist, he put me right off them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James5 View Post
    Same could be said for anything VAG, BMW all depends what needs doing and your capabilities if you can do the work yourself it it's just parts cost if you can't that's when it get's expensive
    Evo parts aren't exactly cheap! As an example: Shocks for my 172 from Renault cost £35 per corner - Made by KYB. Shocks for the Evo from Mitsubishi - Made by KYB - £200 per corner

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    Re: what car?

    Skyline R32 starting to look old skool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy M View Post
    Fcuk post 2006 VAG dervs, headaches with DPFs could end up costing over £1500 to resolve. Not worth the hassle imo.
    i know a few with the later stuff that have problems. my 02 a4 avant 1.9 tdi has 180k on still on and goes like stink still returns over 50mpg with ease mapped up

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    Re: what car?

    Another vote for a fabia VRS.

    Just happens so a mate is selling his red un ..

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    Re: what car?

    e36 m3, coupe not a convertible, mapped and de limited are good for 170+, also never had any trouble seeing off evos subarus etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nad-5GTT View Post
    Skyline R32 starting to look old skool.


    Defo old skool cool. Possibly single turbo 33's could be in price range too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy M View Post


    Defo old skool cool. Possibly single turbo 33's could be in price range too?
    and pay the skyline tax when things go wrong ?

    Like lots of cars out there, it appears buying them is the cheap bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok View Post
    i know a few with the later stuff that have problems. my 02 a4 avant 1.9 tdi has 180k on still on and goes like stink still returns over 50mpg with ease mapped up
    Which company's map mate, REVO? Mine isn't so frugal unless driven ridiculously careful!!

    Fairly sure previous owner had mine remapped (same car) as it goes well but can be a bit thirsty at 36mpg round town driven with lead foot.

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    Re: what car?

    my mate had a r33 gts that was quick matey 350/400 hp, made my subaru look like it was going backwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy M View Post
    Which company's map mate, REVO? Mine isn't so frugal unless driven ridiculously careful!!

    Fairly sure previous owner had mine remapped (same car) as it goes well but can be a bit thirsty at 36mpg round town driven with lead foot.
    black smoke remap on there, a diy one, one above the the off the shelf one as i wanted a bit more poke. i did open the airbox up and smash out the cat which i think helped alot with the mpg

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    Re: what car?

    I like the old skylines they look cool and not that seen but its in the same boat as the EVO and out the two id go for thé EVO. I dont Want a 2seater as I would be needing to throw **** in the back etc...

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    Re: what car?

    I do like the old m3's and you cant argue with their reliability but i think that It would feel slow. I like the look of the new ones but don't like the stigma attached il have a look at those tho.

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    Re: what car?

    Your looking at some pretty epic cars for peanuts.
    Expect problems from anything you buy if your going from the above list on that budget

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    Re: what car?

    Can't afford an rs4 could prob afford an m3 but its not really me. I don't want a big expensive car something small and fun really but 4 or rwd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Can't afford an rs4 could prob afford an m3 but its not really me. I don't want a big expensive car something small and fun really but 4 or rwd.
    You don't want an expensive car, but you want an Evo?

    You don't want a big car, but you want a 4 door saloon?

    Basically, you want an Evo, so go and buy one, if you can find a good one. There's a couple of reasons why you don't see as many these days:

    Because they're relatively cheap to buy, plenty of people buy them and can't afford to fix them when they break. They then get broken as they're worth more in parts.

    They are knocking on a bit now, and they're rotting, BADLY. There's a lot of cars out there that look mint, but they rot from the inside out (the rear chassis rails is a common place - They look fine, until you stick a camera inside them). You think 5's are bad - Some of the Evo's out there now are truly shocking

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ View Post
    Looking for a rwd or 4wd car with a fair bit of grunt pref small and fun so far its the EVO that's getting the vote. Needs to be practical as an every day car and quite reliable with 4/5 seats.
    Main prob is that I'm looking at around 4k would like something a bit retro but with modern running gear. Any suggestions?
    Just throwing it out there as I had one and enjoyed the experience........ 944 turbo...?

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    Re: what car?

    Tbh I like the gtir but that's made of chocolate

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    Re: what car?

    I always fancied a GTiR, been put off by the box tales... but every car has it's problems I suppose.
    Those that say Audi S3/4, yeah, nice cars, but as expensive to fix as an Evo & half as quick.. Haldex is proper ****e as well.
    I've had a fair few cars, S3, Evo 5, Astra Sri Turbo, Subaru's, 5's, Rover turbo's, Uno turbo..
    Still the 2 cars that give me the buzz & I'd have again are the R5 gt turbo & Evo.. Subaru is a bit less harsh to run about in but the Evo just edges it with the rawness IMO.

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    Re: what car?

    EVO is still ticking the most boxes for ke. At the end of the day I don't want to drive a car I don't like I.e m3 even though they are avgreat car there's something about them I don't like.
    I was thinking the gtir may be a little like a mix of an EVO and a 5 withought the looks

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