R5 Evolution

[mattk]

Hey guys,

I've been part of the club for about three years now, and thought I'd start a project thread of my own.

I didn't want to use a GTT as a base car as they are becoming rarer, so found a good solid Prima to use instead of butchering a GTT.



Right the plan, I'm using modified RS Cosworth 4wd running gear and a Mitsubishi Evo 5 engine. The chassis will be modified to suit the running gear, i did think about using a sierra floorpan and shortening it to the length of the bodyshell. Instead I'm going have the floorpan fabricated to fit the engine, gearbox, diffs and suspension setup.





I'm using the cosworth running gear because the evo setup places the engine in front of the fwd axle, but with the cosworth setup, this will allow us set the engine and gearbox behind the front differential and lower in the chassis giving a better weight distribution

Over the past week I've been working on stripping the car ready for the fab work heres a few pics.

















These are the wheels and tyres i'm using. The track of the car will be increased as will the wheelbase but all of this will be worked out at a later date when Dave receives the car.

Rear


Front


Bodywork wise, it'll all be fabricated once the chassis is finished, and will be made of steel instead of fibreglass, and i'm going to attempt to utilise design cues from some of the WRC cars i.e the vw polo and ford fiesta but at the same time use standard GT Turbo front and rear bumpers. I know it sounds a bit nuts but its pictured well in my head lol

Cheers for looking guys, I'll keep it updated as and when i can

[Andyturbo!]

Omg! That's gona be awesome! Defo going to be following this thread

[GTphil]

Awesome!

[B18ftMOJO5]

Wow amazing project. Looking forward to seeing this come to life. Great project mate.

[BluntyR5GTT]

now this is a project ill be following closely. love it

[TNT ANDY]

Interesting

[SCHWARTZ]

Sounds amazing, can't wait to see the results Exactly the sort of thing I would do if I had the funds and talent
That she'll looks spot on suprising how much better the std models seem to be at avoiding the rust.

[mattk]

Cheers for the comments guys The angle i'm going to take with this car is to try and keep it looking as though Renault had built a 4wd wide arch monster

Engine wise it'll be slightly modified using oversized Wiseco pistons, Ridgeway connecting rods, ARP bolts top and bottom, and Kelford cams.









For the turbo I'm going to use a standard Evo X turbo, because of the way the engine will now be orientated in the car and utilise a standard manufacturer part for reliability and early spool up speed.

For the interior It'll be minimalist but functional, so i'll have roof lining, carpet, sparco buckets and harnesses and a full roll cage helping to brace the chassis for the onslaught to come

Dash


I did think about having a full gauge set, but fancied in the end just having a single display unit instead

Going to modify the front and rear bumpers today, so i'll post up later today how i get on, cheers for looking guys

[mattk]

Sounds amazing, can't wait to see the results Exactly the sort of thing I would do if I had the funds and talent
That she'll looks spot on suprising how much better the std models seem to be at avoiding the rust.

Cheers fella, well the chassis will be built by someone who knows what they are doing because my welding resembles bird poop!!

Funds wise this will be built on a "if i can afford it it'll be done" basis

I was the same when i took her apart, was just imagining the brown death but was very suprised with the result

[Bigfoot]

can't wait to see how this turns out

[Big Steve - Raider]

'kin hell?! This is going to be AWESOME!?

Going to take a lot of hard work & commitment to get it finished though , It's certainly not the cup mod!!

[James5]

can't wait to see how this turns out

My thought's exactly going to be alot of work alot of money but end result will be fantastic keep those pictures flowing and updates coming

[Big Supes]

This is freakin awesome.

[Brigsy]

Id be very tempted to make it rwd only this is only after my experience of blowing a mt75 box up at 280hp lol

[Jonny5]

Kudos to you my friend, Wow!
Renault 5 Evolution...

[Trevhib]

Good luck. Looks like an excellent shell/base!

[chris]

what a project ! i am lookin forward to following it

[Os8472]

Holy Fecking ****e Batman, that's gunna be a monster

[hickman]

I'm pretty sure there's another 5 about with a evo conversion can't remember where I saw tho

[Romil Davda]

I'm pretty sure there's another 5 about with a evo conversion can't remember where I saw tho

LOL yeah it was in my dreams... hmmmm R5 4WD Evo... I am drooling just thinking abuot it!

[Jonny5]

I'm pretty sure there's another 5 about with a evo conversion can't remember where I saw tho

Isn't it a Pug 205? White an green?

[BluntyR5GTT]

Thats what he could mean. Its constellas creation if memory serves me right

[Bigfoot]

Or the renault clio with the evo engine

[tubbyG]

absolutley epic project, looking forward to all the updates



There is a red Turbo 1 or 2 that I have seen on youtube with a mitsi evo engine in the back ...... as you would imagine, its a complete weapon!!

[GT Josh]

[SirSamuelOfBuca]

absolutley epic project, looking forward to all the updates



There is a red Turbo 1 or 2 that I have seen on youtube with a mitsi evo engine in the back ...... as you would imagine, its a complete weapon!!

ye weapon of self destruction lol

[mattk]

Wow guys cheers for all the comments really appreciate them Constellas 205 only runs fwd due to the classes that he competes in, but he's packing over 600hp!!! awesome

Heres the turbo with the evo engine in the back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttB40tku1wA mental lol

I did think about rwd Brigsy but due to lack of weight at the rear and i didnt want the engine in the back 4wd was the best option, but don't worry the gearbox you see in the pics is purely for mock up, afterwards it'll be fully stripped down and rebuilt with a straight cut syncro'd large gear set capable of handling the power that'll go through it and the differentials will be getting worked on as well.

This car will be quick but also with reliability built in, so it'll be able to drive to the track, have the s@£t kicked out of it all day, then tootle home at a conservative 65mph

Did a bit more today. Started on the front and rear bumpers.

First the front. Opened it up to allow more air in for intercooler that'll be fitted. Wasn't as easy as i first thought, lots little nooks and crannys to get into and a s@£t load of dust lol

Before


After


Rear bumper was a little easier, just the entire centre section out to maybe allow for a diffuser later on in the build, or not depends on how she handles.

Before


After


The strip on the rear bumper will removed and be filled in, and the slots on the front bumper will be filled in as well at a later date, so they are both smooth, but in the mean i'll leave them be.

Took the spare wheel out and the frame to have gander underneath... not to shabby!!



And then you can't be all work and no play



Cheers for looking guys, i appreciate all the comments, and I'll progress some more next week but for now its back to work BOOOOO!!!

[Big Supes]

You've definitely picked a decent shell for this project mate.

[mattk]

You've definitely picked a decent shell for this project mate.

Thank you kind sir, yea she's in good nik, just a few little faults here and there, but won't be much to rectify

[gtmatt]

Great project great effort ,hope it all goes well , very special car when finished

[Chunk]

Amazing, look forward to this!

[mattk]

Great project great effort ,hope it all goes well , very special car when finished

Cheers buddy, she will be special when finished

[mattk]

Amazing, look forward to this!

Thank you

[Brigsy]

Fair play mate, rwd would be lairy to say the least!

Nice bara sequential box would do the trick, a lad near me has one in his mk3 cossie escort, looks the bollox

One day i might attempt something like this on my van, sierra floorpan & yb. Always fancied doing it

[mattk]

Fair play mate, rwd would be lairy to say the least!

Nice bara sequential box would do the trick, a lad near me has one in his mk3 cossie escort, looks the bollox

One day i might attempt something like this on my van, sierra floorpan & yb. Always fancied doing it

Yea those are the guys i'm going to for the gear kit. i would love to go for a sequential box but don't think my funds will stretch to something like that

Do it mate, that'll be a proper sleeper

[robx1r]

just subscribing,

[Alastair]

Wow!

Good luck mate! Will be awesome...!

Make sure you gusset the chassis as much as possible, watch out for the rear floor pan where it meets the front floor pan under the back seats, I've seen caged 5s split a lot here when used properly!!!! :eek

Also make sure the cage fixes to the front and rear strut tops as the chassis flex a lot and you will get cracks with that HP!!!

[HAndy]

wow !!!! i thought my build was extreme

i do however have a few concerns on this 4wd idea, which if you dont mind i would like to share with you

what bhp are you aiming for? as the initial weight of the transfer box, prop shafts, drive shafts, and steel bodywork is really going to add some weight to this, and thats before you fit the rollcage, which will need front/rear turret pickup points to brace /stop body flex, and additional fabrication works for transmision tunnel, you could end up high weight to bhp ratio, and thats also before you factor in transmission loss even if you pump out 600bhp+ and at that level of boost no engine lasts long, deffo not if its going to be a track animal you would be better of space framing it and plonking a grp shell over the top, if funds allow

as you may well know mine weighs in at 945kg with a f7p block, rollcage (pick up points on front /rear turrets, fairly light grp kit and polly windows in the rear half of car(nacar ducts to fit a later date , to duct cool air to inlet manifold) and 2x super light weight kitcar grp seats,and fook all else, apart from clocks and a steering wheel

stu21's car is space framed and weighs in at 985 ish kg i think , of the top of my head, and his is space framed with the 2.0 cossie lump(lucky sod)

if it where me i would drop the 4wd and go front mounted engine /rwd with prop shaft etc, or mid engined rwd, for which ever lump you drop in

a bearded freind of mine, has a spaced framed reliant kitten with na 2.3 duratec front engined /rwd na 270bhp , weighs in 736kg, its fast !!! and cains a certain red pulsar not to far up the road which ive seen rr at 350bhp, weight really is the key here and you still have to contend with the fuel cell, coolant lines,brakes, which could complicate things further

just my thoughts on this, i will of course watch this awsome project thread unfold , and wish you the very best of luck for the project aka work/graft that lies ahead

[mattk]

Wow!

Good luck mate! Will be awesome...!

Make sure you gusset the chassis as much as possible, watch out for the rear floor pan where it meets the front floor pan under the back seats, I've seen caged 5s split a lot here when used properly!!!! :eek

Also make sure the cage fixes to the front and rear strut tops as the chassis flex a lot and you will get cracks with that HP!!!

Cheers buddy, wow that'll be a brown stain moment, looking down and seeing the road beneath you

The cage itself will brace between all the strut tops and the shell itself will be strengthened at the back to support the rear differential

[philg]

Watching

[mattk]

wow !!!! i thought my build was extreme

i do however have a few concerns on this 4wd idea, which if you dont mind i would like to share with you

what bhp are you aiming for? as the initial weight of the transfer box, prop shafts, drive shafts, and steel bodywork is really going to add some weight to this, and thats before you fit the rollcage, which will need front/rear turret pickup points to brace /stop body flex, and additional fabrication works for transmision tunnel, you could end up high weight to bhp ratio, and thats also before you factor in transmission loss even if you pump out 600bhp+ and at that level of boost no engine lasts long, deffo not if its going to be a track animal you would be better of space framing it and plonking a grp shell over the top, if funds allow

as you may well know mine weighs in at 945kg with a f7p block, rollcage (pick up points on front /rear turrets, fairly light grp kit and polly windows in the rear half of car(nacar ducts to fit a later date , to duct cool air to inlet manifold) and 2x super light weight kitcar grp seats,and fook all else, apart from clocks and a steering wheel

stu21's car is space framed and weighs in at 985 ish kg i think , of the top of my head, and his is space framed with the 2.0 cossie lump(lucky sod)

if it where me i would drop the 4wd and go front mounted engine /rwd with prop shaft etc, or mid engined rwd, for which ever lump you drop in

a bearded freind of mine, has a spaced framed reliant kitten with na 2.3 duratec front engined /rwd na 270bhp , weighs in 736kg, its fast !!! and cains a certain red pulsar not to far up the road which ive seen rr at 350bhp, weight really is the key here and you still have to contend with the fuel cell, coolant lines,brakes, which could complicate things further

just my thoughts on this, i will of course watch this awsome project thread unfold , and wish you the very best of luck for the project aka work/graft that lies ahead

Hey HAndy, your build is extreme mate, and is one of the inspirational threads on this forum that has spurred me on to do this project, so in a way.... your responsible (thats what i'm telling the wife anyway lol)

The target is 450hp with 400lb/ft which should be ok for the engine spec that i have planned. I did think of having the car mid-engined but i wanted the space in the back.

So i discussed this with Dave who's fabricating the chassis for me, and i thought about rear wheel drive and using supercharged honda S2000 engine and running gear, but i really wanted tractable power. So what we have planned is too place the engine as far back as possible in the bulk head and place the front differential in front of the engine.

Also doing this allows us too drop the engine down in the car to lower the C of G and push it more towards the centre. Fuel cell wise I'm using a standard Evo fuel tank which will go in placement of the original just with the mounts modified for placement. The reason for this is the evo tank has the indentation to house the rear prop shaft and exhaust. The only piece that'll be internal to the car will be a small swirl pot and the lift pump and pressure pump will be external.

The arches themselves will be flared using original wings, and in the style of the wrc hatchbacks http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswa...tures/page/1/0

Cheers for the comments though buddy, and i'm looking forward to seeing the results of your RR session

[mattk]

Watching

Cheers Bud

[jesus in the seat of a 5]

awesome.... and I thought 260+ in a 5 would be quick..., keep us updated buddy.. love ideas like these!!!!!!!... very

[Junglist]

Is it finished yet.

[mattk]

Is it finished yet.

Yea finished and sold it lol

[Tony Walker]

lol wow, incredible project... good luck and keep the updates coming

[Chris Beer]

XXR 527's ?

Looking forward to a video

[mattk]

lol wow, incredible project... good luck and keep the updates coming

Cheers Tony will do mate

[mattk]

XXR 527's ?

Looking forward to a video

Certainly are sir

A video maybe a while off yet lol but ill get one done

[Dave Reed]

Going to be a awesome car when finished bud

As already mentioned have you thought about space framing it? Will be a lot easier, stronger not to mention lighter.. The amount of fab work you'll have to do to the chassis will cost a lot, for which you could easily build a rolling space frame for..

I've done the same as you but with a mk6 fiesta and cossie lump. We was going to go done the route of having it all fab'd etc but the cost was the same for a full chassis car.. It'll also make the car much easier to work on.

Anyway food for thought as they say lol.