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I'm in the process of buying a phase 1, picking her up tomorrow. Is there much different mechanically over the phase 2?? Just from looking around even dampers seem to be different.
Just seems more performance bits for a phase 2
cheers
Dean
Use the search tool Dean, there's a ton of threads that have all the information you could need.
Just off the top of my head there is lots of differences,
Interior.
Central locking Phase 1 was optional
Electric Windows phase 1 was optional
Fuel Pump.
Turbo Early ones were not water cooled.
Engine Water Pipes Plumbing.
Alloy Wheels.
Body Kit.
Front Bumper.
Anti Perc Fan not on early phase 1
Iginition unit (Sorry cannot remeber the exact name early ones were 208 model later 209)
I am sure there is lots more that i can not remeber.
Deficient list.
Try here:
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthrea...ighlight=Phase
Am going to post this in website feedback to see if we can't get the list contained within consolidated and finally put into a bloody article.
Ph1 has different front bumper and front fog light design
Ph1 has slightly different rear bumper design incl. rub strip/piping
Ph1 bodykit and bumpers not painted and therefore not colour coded (all grey fibreglass/resin), except pearl white (uses white fibreglass/resin)
Ph1 rear arch kits slightly different design (incl. fake air dam/grilles, chunky lower section and grooved rear)
Ph1 under rear light plastics grooved not smooth
Ph1 has no rear spoiler
Ph1 has unpainted, differently designed front grille
Ph1 front suspension - dampers and strut tops are different design, affects camber
Ph1 has different fuel pump (higher flow/pressure), and fuel filter
Ph1 glass is clear as standard, green tint was an option
Ph1 has manual window winders as standard, electrics were an option
Ph1 has much smaller centre console, even smaller if electric windows not spec'd
Ph1 door cards are not velour finish, they are plastic
Ph1 has no glove box light
Ph1 has no lights-on warning buzzer as standard, was an option
Ph1 has no boot space light
Ph1 has no cubby hole cover/light in boot
Ph1 has no rubberised rear arch covering
Ph1 has light grey parcel shelf (black on Ph2)
Ph1 has different black/grey seat inner design, Ph2 dark grey with red flecks
Ph1 has lighter grey carpet, Ph2 has grey or red options plus black for Raider
Ph1 rear window wipe operation is different
Ph1 intercooler has different plastic end caps
Ph1 accelerator cable is swing arm operated
Ph1 boost referencing circuit is slightly different - has a large metal one way valve thing, as opposed to small plastic on Ph2
Ph1 has metal starter motor heat shield, Ph2?
Ph1 has metal turbo heat shield, Ph2 moulded fire resistant material
Ph1 has different head design - springs sit on pedestal, Ph2 sit in bucket
Ph1 has no valve stem guide seals
Ph1 gearbox - JB3 014, Ph2 gearbox - JB3 032 (purported to be slightly different ratios)
Ph1 115bhp, Ph2 120bhp
Ph1 has no knock sensor
Ph1 AEI is RE208, Ph2 is RE209 versions A, B, C and D (latest)
Ph1 AEI is in engine bay and sits over turbo, Ph2 sits in scuttle tray
Ph1 top boost hose does not have tube for perc fan oily vapour evacuation on it
Ph1 has no towing eye cover
Ph1 has differently designed and lighter alloy wheels (which were an option over steels).
Ph1 has no upper timing sensor connection
Ph1 turbo oil feed is different in where is connects to turbo
Ph1 turbo oil return is narrower
Ph1 sump is different on ph1 - narrower oil return connection and some were baffled
Ph1 windscreen washer bottle has depth level sensor
Ph1 coolant expansion bottle is flatter, different design
Ph1 coolant system design/piping totally different
Ph1 windscreen surround different to Ph2 (maybe?)
Ph1 has no dim dip resistor on ph1 in scuttle stray
Ph1 console above rearview mirror has no aperture for plip remote (if c/l not spec’d)
Ph1 has a difference in the way the exhaust mounts (Sparkie can add detail)
Ph1 passenger wing mirror was optional (and had no interior adjuster)
Ph1 colours available were different: 690 silver was different to the Ph2 shade, no Raider blue, no Glacier white
Ph1 - Early Ph1 stereos were an option (not standard)
Ph1 side decals different
Ph1 rear seat belts may have been optional early on
Last edited by Trevhib; 11-10-2010 at 15:25.
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Thats great, thanks for posting this info
Trev that is really impressive but my bodykit is dimpled on a J.
Thanks Hoolio, you might be right and the list might be wrong or partly incorrect. Something that needs clarification by someone who knows exactly how the cars came out of the factory.Originally Posted by Hoolio
Trev that is really impressive but my bodykit is dimpled on a J.
You can see here the kit on this OE Ph2 GTT is smooth. Maybe your car has had work done at some point.
http://www.netcarshow.com/renault/19...llpaper_01.htm
Oh no not more work I'm unaware of.
If you look here you can see the bumper and arch although shiney have a slight sheen (ignore the little devil face, he gets everywhere)
http://www.gtturbo.org/boards/album....pictureid=9914
Is that your motor? I didn't realise. Ahem, I don't think it's had much done eh, lol.
I don't have my C plate anymore so can't take a proper close pic of the kit. Maybe it's exactly the same kit on ph1 and ph2's but that with paint it's makes for a smooth (or at least, a fair bit smoother) finish, which in all honesty is noticeable in my experience when side by side.
Well it's in my careIs that your motor? I didn't realise. Ahem, I don't think it's had much done eh, lol.
Might be wrong but as far as i am aware the phase 1 kits were not painted at all but the phase 2 kits were.Is that your motor? I didn't realise. Ahem, I don't think it's had much done eh, lol.
I don't have my C plate anymore so can't take a proper close pic of the kit. Maybe it's exactly the same kit on ph1 and ph2's but that with paint it's makes for a smooth (or at least, a fair bit smoother) finish, which in all honesty is noticeable in my experience when side by side.
Erm...
Excerpt from above - Ph1 bodykit and bumpers not colour coded (left unpainted), except pearl white
To add, even then the painted ph1 pearl white still had a different finish. Such that the Ph1 pearl white kit looked and felt different to the later ph2 version of the same thing.
My Pearl White Renault 5 has an unpainted body kitErm...
Excerpt from above - Ph1 bodykit and bumpers not colour coded (left unpainted), except pearl white
To add, even then the painted ph1 pearl white still had a different finish. Such that the Ph1 pearl white kit looked and felt different to the later ph2 version of the same thing.
apart from all the info trev had written up as well here is a few pic for you as wellphase 1 is the 1st 2nd and 4th pic.phase 2 interor is the 3rd
Are you saying that you had a Ph1 Pearl white with unpainted grey arch kit and bumpers such as the colour of the kit on the C plate in my profile folder?My Pearl White Renault 5 has an unpainted body kit
Or are you saying you had a Ph2 Pearl with unpainted arch kit and bumpers?
Please post a picture for us to see.
If either one is a correct assumption it's simply a matter of it having been done after it's come out of the factory.
Cracking pics old school.
Although for those looking on, the ph1 interior pic (where you can't actually see the difference in the seats compared to a phase 2) does not have a UK specific, standard centre console or dash dials. Looks like a continental car. You can just make out the light grey carpet though
Last edited by Trevhib; 09-10-2010 at 20:01.
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Pic showing dimpled affect from my files.
Ph2 has painted pimpled kit, but back in the day the fashion was to smooth them with sandpaper and highbuild primer/paint.
Ph1 and ph2 side skirts are actually different, as is the rear bumper ( check the shape of the bumper on each corner )
A local old boys standard 5 (even the side graphics were put on by the local dealer
Hi Mark. Thanks.
Please feel free to amend the list in the article thread as you see fit, it needs work
it would of looked better without those graphics
I have a phase 1 which is peral white with a cream colour unpainted body kit, which is orignal.
The picture of the 5 above looks like the same unpainted kit i have?
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Well i've got the trailer hocked up ready for a early start to pick up my new phase 1, its the same as the one above but without the graphics. Although not in quite as good condition.A local old boys standard 5 (even the side graphics were put on by the local dealer
That kit isn't unpainted (or at least if it's not been actually painted, it's certainly been given a colour by some means in order to match the bodywork)! And it's a totally different colour in comparison to the grey kit that appears on all the other Ph1s (that we're classing as unpainted).
Yours is the same as all other OE Pearl Ph1s and is exactly what I've referred to in the bullet point in the list of differences.
I have owned both painted and upainted pearl white phase 1's. The painted versions had a smoothed bodykit and the unpainted used fibreglassed kit which were coloured when moulded as they are coloured all the way through the fibreglass.
If you are sure they came out of the factory two different ways that's really interesting. Pics please.
Wish i had some pics but talking some years ago now. Still have some of the unpainted bodykit in pieces and definetely fibreglassed in the pearl white shade. I think somewhere i have the painted version bumper in the loft and is definetely a smoothed bumper.
FFS. We've used the term 'unpainted' to describe the grey kit, it's just semantics. Both the grey and pearl kits were impregnated with their 'colour' when molded, that much is obvious. The point is, only the kit on the pearl was a different colour. All the other Ph1 GTT body colours had the same grey kit. The list can be amended very simply to kill the bloody conversation.
The smoothed painted Pearl kit that supposedly came from the factory is the one that I'm interested in. Unless there's some evidence that it was manufactured this way via pics, Renault options list or a number of others' experience of the same thing then at present I'd be inclined to believe it's aftermarket/dealer.
I was proved wrong (enlightened rather) regarding the Cup/Coupe version apparently being available in tiny numbers to Joe Public from new in the UK but this is another new one on me and needs substantiation IMO.
Cracking pics old school.
Although for those looking on, the ph1 interior pic (where you can't actually see the difference in the seats compared to a phase 2) does not have a UK specific, standard centre console or dash dials. Looks like a continental car. You can just make out the light grey carpet though
The painted pearl white phase 1 i owned was only two owners before me, the car had never been near a paint shop from new and was a very low mileage model with 69th on the clocks. The body kit was dead smooth but still had all the square up lip that fits under front grill and headlights with no sign of the edges ever been rubbed down. Also from memory there was no colour match issues either. Just wish i had pics, only thing that springs to mind it might of been colour coded at request when purchased from dealer. I think i have registration number written down somewhere if anyone has access to any data bases of renaults.
Will be happy to hear from others to help corroborate. Sounds cool in any case.
Whatever the truth is, it doesn't really make much difference to the general ph1 vs ph2 differences list that we're compiling.
the white mk1 r5's used white glass fibre resin for their bumpers. all other ones used grey. all moulds where the same.
i would imagine renault, being renault, they would do the same for the mk2 ph1 gt turbo.
hence the ph 1 pearl has white resin bumpers.
also, why do ALL ph1 (non pearl whites) have pimply kit, yet a few ph1 pearl whites have smooth kit - what are the chances? eh? eh? eh? that renault would employ some of the workforce to smooth them down on the production line, or that there was an odd mould that was thrown away after a few white smoothies were produced?
Lol.
As I know the gearbox is also different. Phase 2 has a bit longer gear ratios?
Isn't this the difference between R11T and 5 GTT boxes? And isn't that to do with the final drive?
I had thought the Ph1 and Ph2 boxes were the same.
Yes, maybe it is only the final drive. But as I know it differs in phase 1 and 2.
I have both cars and I feel that the phase 2 has a longer 5th.
ph1 box JB3 014
ph2 box JB3 032
maybe that would explain the ph1's faster 0-60 time rather than the usual less weight/different AEI argument....
Why or how is the phase 1 down 5bhp then?
Right. I've updated the list (in both this thread and the article thread), to sort out the following:
- semantics over the word 'unpainted' and clarified use of different coloured fiberglass
- removed the error ref: ph2 kit being smoothed rather than dimpled (my bad)
- added extra info on ph1 rear arches
- added the gearbox information
- added info ref small design differences in rear bumper
- added the differing factory bhp figures
- added that the Ph1 does not come with a knock sensor
Last edited by Trevhib; 11-10-2010 at 15:28.
Brilliant list. Cheers!
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