fiver if you want them at nat day when you grab the lights
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=20707
fiver if you want them at nat day when you grab the lights
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=20707
bring them along mate, i'll put them on see what they look like on the car first if thats ok
still going lean to 17's when pedal pressed to wot from cruising at 3000rpms but it soon drops into 12's then 11.5s at 4500rpm onwards to 6k
think i need to increase the 1st stage jet to 1.1mm or tweak the accel pump a little but its set perfect so i dont want to play with it
I really like this car, looks very clean and the wheels suit the colour. Well done.
New this would look the spuds when done...Beautifull fella feel the pride its a beast..
Normally i would say decals..but to be honest with a paint job like that it would be a shame to hide any of it..It jus looks so right without the decals...I love this 5!!
A credit to all involved..
Rolling road video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLjcU...layer_embedded
Print outs. 13-14psi carb base, stock timing
Flywheel power and torque 133.6bhp and 166.7ftlb
Wheel power and torque 109.5bhp and 136.6ftlb
Want a bit more power so thinking either up the boost and tweek the sensor or megajolt it and remap it completely
Should be much better and less of a spike of power when i've changed to a better boost controller rather than the bleed valve i had kicking about and used in a rush
OK well where do i start since the rolling road
Tappets got really noisy, so aroudn 600 miles on the engine thought a reset tappets and fix the poxy rocker cover leaky fibre washers would be good
So stripped it all down started to adjust and then thinks why is the cylinder 2 rocker shaft bolt moving
The threads stripped out completelywhich i can only think back to when i missed and gear and over rev'd it alot
So i helicoiled and put a new bolt in job done i thought?...... nope turning both cylinder 2 push rods they have a very slightly bend in them
So adjusted it up for now and the engine still idles sweet and drives smooth.
Forward on a few weeks of the car being garaged up not being drive to today..
The day before i go to modified live at brands hatch....thinking i could get a 20 mins session with the 5
So got to work all good no leaks
Drive home was great, driving it quite quickly on the motorway overtaking and listening to radio 1 loudly... slow down for my slip road
WTF is that noise... sounded like a grrrrrrrrr, so change into 4th and noise gonechange back into 5th and grrrrrrrr
Still got drive in 5th so thought maybe the nut had worked loose
Got home jacked it up f1 pit crew styley
Within 10 mins the cover was off and foudn the problem, it soon came clear that I wont be taking the 5 to brands hatch tomorrow or being able to drive through dartford tunnel on the way home
5th gear nut is tight but 5th gear is missing a few teeth
Also what is this part? as it looks pretty battered
it was loose inside this shaft
Now the count down begins as the car is booked for snetterton track day taster on the 24th of july
So i need to get a gearbox in for that as a temp fix or swap 5th gear over and hope the rest of the box is fine or find a good refurbed box to put in
brilliant that bud
Right busy evening for me
Went over to cambridge to collect my win on ebay and i've scored alot more than i thought
won on ebay
head
gearbox
carb
loads of interior switchs
+ got given for free
a set of push rods
inlet manifold
exhaust manifold
water pump + housing
fuel regulator
rocker cover
uprated head bolts which i'll bin as new ones are cheap enough
Manky looking Gearbox
Head + manifolds
Rocker cover + push rods + uprated head bolts
T2 turbo going away to be made into a t25/t2 hybrid = more power :biggrin:
Carb that needs tlc
Stripped the head down to a bare head, valves and springs ready for measuring thickness and straightness then of for a crack test and skimming in the future when money allows
Gearbox stripped down
Cover is good and 5th gear is fine
Taught the bro how to strip a 5 carb and check jet sizes. its all standard jets so i'll be ultrasonic tanking it to make it uber clean through out and treating it to gasket set
cool stuff there dude, you heaving to pod on friday ?
sadly not fella, with the 5 breaking and i dont have the time booked off work either, wish i could of come but going to have to miss this one
been having a go trying to get these gears off with no pullers that fit at home
Screwdrivers + blow torch and hammer = :mrgreen:
5th gear and everything is off :mrgreen:
Now time to order a curry from the local and then take the one off the car in situ, this could get interesting
Might have the car back for the weekend at this rate 8)
Shame i didnt book friday off or i could of come to pod with everyone
Might have an issue
Doner 5th gear's are different sizes, thickness, design and ratio's, to what i have on the car
The doner is jb3 032 and the one in the car is jb3 014, both have the same diff ratios and gear ratios so they should be the same, yet visually there different gears
So did a bit of checking and i think someone has swapped mine over before for maybe a campus gearset at some point as thats the only guess i have as to why they are different and the reason behind me finding bits of needle roller in the casing with the gears
After finding what other bits i need to swap to make it work without grinding the casing it was all put back together with loctite
Broken needle roller casing
Broken 5th gear teeth
Broken vs new
5th gear difference between new and old
5th gear teeth design difference
Difference between other gear of 5th between old and new
Back together
Good vs bad end covers
Might have an issue
Doner 5th gear's are different sizes, thickness, design and ratio's, to what i have on the car
The doner is jb3 032 and the one in the car is jb3 014, both have the same diff ratios and gear ratios so they should be the same, yet visually there different gears
So did a bit of checking and i think someone has swapped mine over before for maybe a campus gearset at some point as thats the only guess i have as to why they are different and the reason behind me finding bits of needle roller in the casing with the gears
After finding what other bits i need to swap to make it work without grinding the casing it was all put back together with loctite
Broken needle roller casing
Broken 5th gear teeth
Broken vs new
5th gear difference between new and old
5th gear teeth design difference
Difference between other gear of 5th between old and new
Back together
Good vs bad end covers
love it m8, can't imagine what it felt like seeing it out of the bodyshop!! i'd love to get on with my resto' but i'm finding it so hard to find time
i think the bit that you found is the spout for 5th gear lubrication. dont think the 5 has it as standard, its a later box feature. i swapped one on to mine for some extra lubenice to see someone getting stuck in. there fiddly to strip further than 5th.
i think the bit that you found is the spout for 5th gear lubrication. dont think the 5 has it as standard, its a later box feature. i swapped one on to mine for some extra lube
both my boxes had thems spouts? strange, the bearing casing did look a bit toasted and going crispy around the edges
checked the ratios and altho the new gears have more teeth they are the same ratio of 0.76
I found a good guide on the stripping so i'll probably make a how to thread soon in english unlike the french version i have found
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
loving your car mate loads of time and effort put into this!
Right been giving him some tweeking over the week while he's been garaged up after a 2 week daily use mission with no problems
Replaced all the blowns dash button bulbs and dial bulbs now i can see what i'm pressing
Strut brace is back on
Fiddled with the carb enrichment pump adjustment
Carried out the "cup" mod now boost is up to around 16-15psi
Then today the track prepping began for snetterton track dayslightly nervous about this.
Took him out today after putting in 200ml of millers extra cool (3.6% mix with renault premix coolant and a bottle of millers octane booster to stop any det that may come with the increased heat from 20 mins of abuise
Coolant temps are now alot more steady than before.
When giving it some abuise the temp moves up a very little but not half as much as before but the temp comes down alot quicker than before so its doing its job well
Adjusted the brake bias as it was majorly to the rear so i could bed the new pads and disc's in. So now its more to the front.
Changed the oil aswell still using 15w40 mineral oil for now as its working fine and i want to make sure its bedded in 100% as i've only done 950 miles since i built the block, will wait till around 1500 miles before i start using semi synth
Got some pictures sent to me of yesterday
The car survived so we was happy
also a video where you can see where i slowed to let the mini overtake me @ about 5 minutes in ( mini looked great overtaking and then the R5 overtaking the mini after it overheated @ around 8 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnjWn...layer_embedded
Braided lines, and full polyrace bush kit
Excuse the manky oily subframe its just what is left from the gearbox overhaul.
Had to shave off a few mm off the wishbone bushes with a grinder to make them fit into the subframe without having to bring out the big hammer.
Wishbone bush was red but after burning out the old bushes it was hard to keep my hands clean
Antiroll bar end bush
Antiroll bar mounting bush
Then the brakes were next as they were pants on track and faded to nothing on the 3rd lap
So an order was placed...
Brembo discs £23 delivered from next day brakes
And
Carbone lorraine rc5+ pads from Ktec, which i will use for track days only and swap over to normal pads for any everyday stuff or driving to static car shows
Pads look so yummy
Baby size brake discs
So with the rear calipers already replaced a while back i felt the need for more shiney bits and since the front calipers are the only ones left on the car which were old, manky and had a slightly sticky piston on the passenger side....
2 new front calipers turned up aswell
Then tonight i have been swapping over the old red dot pads and unknown discs for my new shiney brakes
New stuff fitted
Old brake disc not looking very healthy at all
Now i'm just waiting on some brake hose securing clips from renault as mine will probably fall to bits as soon as i go near them lol and it would look wrong having new hoses and old manky clips.
Then its back to the rear axle in an attempt to raise it up a few mm or so but that will be next week's mission
After begging the boss for time off, i've booked a couple of taster sessions so i can shakedown the car with the new stuff on
30th August at bedford autodrome on the gt circuit
8th september will be the return to the great snetterton 300
If all goes well without any big problems then i'll start doing some full day track days
Fordy, get some new headlights, and some super tourismos (or Clio 172 ph1's). Will transform the car
see what you mean now about the headlights, might have to get a set
wheels tho i'm thinking either speedlines or prorace wheels what design is beyond me atm, i want something really light yet functional but something that will look good aswell
Headlights - you'd be amazed at the difference a new set make, and how cheap it is to do
Wheels - word*
*does anyone say that anymore? Did they ever?
i've seen cgb selling lights for £30 or there abouts but im not sure if they were valeo? i got quoted £80 each for valeo at my local autofactorsOriginally Posted by Trevhib
Headlights - you'd be amazed at the difference a new set make, and how cheap it is to do
Wheels - word*
*does anyone say that anymore? Did they ever?
i kept my eyes peeled on ebay and picked a few now for my car and spares, prices being £9.99, £15, £25 and another at £25they come up so just look out for them, autofactors seem to be out to reem us..
Time to update again
Its taken a while to get the braided lines on,
One front copper pipe twisted with the nut as i undid the old pipe so had to make a new copper pipe from the master cylinder to the braided line,
Then the rears where mega rusted solid lots of release spray and some patience soon showed them who was boss
So had that all done and bled up during the week
Took the car out for a test spin friday to see how the brakes where and i'm glad i brought these pads once there is some heat into them they stop like nothing else.
Gave the car a bath to get the dust off last night.
Took it to work fine
Coming home was a different story...
Yup it brokedown about 2 miles from my housethe first proper 100% immobilised breakdown.
Had to get the bro and old man to bring me some tools as all i had was the worlds smallest screwdriver.
Got it started somehow by luck so didn't turn it off and hot footed it back home...
Let it idle and then i tapped the coil pack main relay and it stalled!
A spare relay got it up and running again then i took to fixing of poor alarm install in the same area and cleaned the earths up again while i was there.
So i'll be running the car a bit incase there is anything else coming out the wood work and going to order a new coil pack, coil pack relay and fuel pump for safety as i dont have spares of these
Any updates, fitted the cage yet?
Yes fella loads of updates just forgot to put them on here aswell, i'll copy n paste the updates
Well yesterday didnt go so well up at snetterton - october 8th
It was a lovely morning
I got me a garage too
All up packed we went in search of food in tyrells.... and it was awesome!
We came back to find another renault friend in the garage next to us
So we then went out on the sighting laps after the briefing and noise testing, the track was wet in places but didn't give a problem
Sighting laps over time for the next car group and then the bike groups to go out
Then it was go time!
First session of the day
We dropped the boost from 18psi to 10psi to save the clutch from slipping
Everything was going swimmingly well, heel and toeing into corners everything was sweet
Was in front of the apt saxo for a few laps but let him go past on a straight as it was rapid when it got going.
Then we came across a 10 plate mini cooper s for 4 laps, I didn't drop below 5000rpm at any point during this and was reving it right round to the end of the rev counter at 7000rpm.
Well the mini with all its track stickers from everywhere in the uk had a renault 5 stuck to it going in, out and through the corners but on the straights it got some space between us but i could out brake the mini due to the awesome carbon lorraine front pads i've got fitted
Well session ends we cruise around in 5th and 4th letting the car cool down.
Pull into our garage and open the bonnet to find an alarming amount of oil sprayed out of the boost bleed valve onto the bonnet
Yet the engine was still idling lovely....
With the engine running i undid the oil cap and the engine was breathing really heavily
So we turned it off and thought nothing more as we know it has been breathing heavy for a while.
Got the call for the 2nd session
We go to start the car and it doesn't fire up just cugged and tried to run but sadly the heart stopped beating time and time again.
Suspecting a fuel problem we stripped the carb but it was all ok and it had spark so we ripped the rocker cover off to check we didn't have any valve or push rod problems from the high rev's abuise but it was all ok
So we had to call it a day as i think the bottom end is toast
Called mr rac and got asked if we had been racing.... noooo as if we be doing such a thing
Then our prestige recovery wagon came to save us
what i will say tho is how different track day stuff is compared to car shows... we had loads of people just randomly making conversation about the car and the day, even had a biker just come say hi and we laughed at someone ruining there caravan legs lol
Oh and the boobies walking around was very yummy indeed :nodyes:
Overall a great end to the 5's short track season, its now a winter project untill next year when it will be back much better and stronger with a new engine, gearbox overhual, bigger turbo and piper 285 high reving cam
Its going to be fecking awesome!
October 17th
Results are in.....
I fooked it
I have 3 cylinders with 8bar and one with 6 bar
Dont dare take it apart cause i think the piston is a mess
October 31st
Found the reason behind my heavy breathing problems...
Glazed the bores and fried/gumed up the cheap piston rings DOH!
I was expecting some heavy detonation marking and maybe a holey piston. But nothing! headgasket's fire ring is untouched and the head and pistons are mint. Considering its never had det cans put near it i think thats a fair result
November 5th
Clock is ticking away and i'm running out of free time
Cracked on it today as much as i can do without all the parts i need.
Heres a shock of a photo its on axle stands again
Lost my head and found i still have pistony things
Found it again
ooo holes
Pistony thingys and liner thingys
Got bitten by something.... ****IN ouch!
Borewash... its not big and its not clever and certainly a pain in the ass
So I went in dry, hard n fast and i honed that bore like no tomorrow!
November 16th
well the running issue was ermmmm...... a faulty coilpack/ecu unit and not the engine altho it wasnt healthy DOH!
But at least now its not breathing heavy and its pulling like a train and this is only at low boost! Canny wait to raise the boost up yet i'm scared the clutch will slip again but i have a new one ready n waiting
November 23rd
Pictures from snetterton 8)
Cause this car is getting serious now!
4 steels with 888's on them
Few pictures nothing special mind
And where back up to date....
Had to give my cousin back his aei/coil pack which was making mine run so it hasnt moved over christmas not a bad thing i guess
So ordered a new coil pack
Then i remembered i need to be quicker down the long straight at snetterton, altho the 888's have giving me at least 10mph extra into and through most corners i feel the back straight a bit boring
So i just ordered a turbo technics stage 3 turbo
Just keeping my eyes peeled for a good front mount kit to come up for sale but till then i'll run low boost to keep the intake temps down to a safe limit with the double cap alloy cooler i have atm
Hopefully i can rob my brothers megajolt kit and buy the rest of the bits i need to fit it so i can make a better timing map, rather than mess about with the original gear moving tdc sensors etc so its a bit more reliable on track
then when the renault headgasket goes pop or the head comes off again i'll change the cam for a 285 like a real man
very nice pics ont the track
Great work Fordy!!
Your car has come on leaps & bounds from where it was when you bought it!!
greeat great project mate.. full repaint and then track actioin get in!!
Great read, nice to see another 5 on track! How do you find the carbon lorraine pads?
thanks for the comments everyone
The pads are awesome but then i've not had the chance to compare anything else in this car other than crusty reddot pads, knackered discs and old flexi hoses
Ive had yellow stuff pads n brembos on my 200sx s14a and they were ok on track for a while till they overheated but then i was going round brands hatch flat out in 280bhp car,
The cl's are epic, everyone that has been in the car round snetterton has commented how great the feel and got me looking for the same pads for their cars the next day
They've never let me down on track heat wise, even going down the snetterton 300 back straight about 100mph into the next bend you can brake pretty late if you dare around the close to the 50 yard marker board.
Only times i come in off track are when i've been out for more than 20mins, been off roading, hungry for food or to swap passengers
Only thing that lets me down on track is the
Breathing system think i need a catch can
Cooling system
And the carb is leaking breather oil mist out around the top lobster sump sealered for now or its coming through the choke spindle bush
Normally i run 1 bar on a new stock t2, i pushed the boost up to about 1.2bar for a few laps.. knowing the fueling is correct at 12-11.8s with the wideband at both boost levels and the coolant got a bit hotter than before.
My only concern is that with the t25 on it the cooling system will be hard pushed to keep stable and i don't wanna be on and off track every 5 mins, compared to 20 mins of pretty much flat out abuise i can do atm
So Im thinking maybe an alloy rad or a new radiator and remove the grill when out on track
You're not supposed to finish a rebuild project and then actually use the car. People don't do that here.
You have three options -
- waste years and years, never complete the project and sell on (in bits or otherwise)
- complete the project but always find new things to do other than use the f'kin thing
- complete the project and sell on as soon as it's done
You don't fall in any of these three categories Fordy. Membership revoked!
Because i know people like to see shiney bits here you go
New turbo is on! and set to 14psi @ carb top using the dash boost gauge as my standalone gauge has gone tits up
Stage 3 hybrid vs an old spare t2 i was gunna use as a surcharge return and then keep my new t2 as a spare
I think my rad is leaking out the bottom so i've invested in a lovely 50mm alloy radiator without built in oil cooler (have external mocal oil cooler fitted) and a new low temp fan switch for good measure
You're not supposed to finish a rebuild project and then actually use the car. People don't do that here.
You have three options -
- waste years and years, never complete the project and sell on (in bits or otherwise)
- complete the project but always find new things to do other than use the f'kin thing
- complete the project and sell on as soon as it's done
You don't fall in any of these three categories Fordy. Membership revoked!
So true
Are these alloy rads any good? The price is great and I'm thinking of getting one. Mine (foolishly) has a copper core rad and is starting to leak.
What's the best oil cooler setup to use (complete kit preferred)?
Great build thread, thanks for writing it.
well ive never had a problem with any alloys rads ive fitted on other cars i've had
Altho i think i may of messed up.... i thought it was the rad leaking (best guess)
then i remembered the snapped off water pump bolt which several machine shops have tried and failed to remove so i sealed the pump on and hoped the rest would hold it leak free....
So whilst it was jacked up today when i was looking for an ac jet i dropped
Now i'm hoping its just from where i bleed the coolant yesterday so cleaned it off and gunna recheck it in a few days
If the head needs to comes off again i'm pulling the engine out with a crane and resealing the sump again, and changing the cam
Well it went pop again, had a mayo issue and was coming back from gsf after buying a new blue hg convinced it was just the hg at fault...
Coming back from gsf i cracked number 1 liner whilst showing a clio 182 who was boss...
needless to say maybe i should of brought that 2mm needle valve sooner
cause the fueling was perfect on the rich side low 11's ready for track so could only be a empty carb bowl to blame and 20psi on the tt stage 3 turbo added in the mix as i was pulling 4th n 5th gears for a long time in front of the clio untill it went
few pictures of the mess
shame to see that dude..
you thought about giving the bay a lick of paint whilst the lumps out.
Could paint the bay fella but tbh unless my brother is going to do it for me i won't be doing it, it looks fine from above and the bonnet is rarely open for public viewing
Spent all evening cleaning the block best as i could, chasing every thread on the block and crank and helicoiling sump threads as 2 had stripped causing a leak and 2 are just falling apart so gunna fix them once ive got another helicoil kit
Also checked the v5 vs the engine block number.... shock it doesn't have its original block in there
Only a couple of pictures not really showing much
Few pictures bit out of date tho, block is prep'd all threads chased and repaired where needed and block painted in satin/radiator ht aerosol paint
Good bye nasty red flakey paint
Goodies from CGB, rods, chain, tensioner, gasket, water pump bolts, uprated fuel pump liners, pistons
Then my order from renault came in, Mostly bolts, nuts, gaskets and a new rocker cover as mine had been crushed and wouldnt seal properly
My rocker cover had been crushed too, i just whacked it back out with a hammer and some shaped wood
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