View Poll Results: Who will you be voting for?

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  • Conservatives

    24 43.64%
  • Labour

    6 10.91%
  • Lib-Dem

    10 18.18%
  • Other

    15 27.27%
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    2010 General Election

    Can we have a vote on this topic please ?

    Here's somthing to help you get an idea of who to vote for, A party for it polices not the colour When i was 18 silly me Take a look: http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

    Here are the opition's, all of which will shaft

    Tories

    Labour

    Lib dems

    Green party

    Plaid Cymru

    UKIP

    Other

    OR simpley Can't be arse.


    I know politics isnt everyones cup of tea, just decided it would be fun and worth the effort. Maybe some will go and vote who wouldnt normally as i belive people died getting us our right to vote. Therefore it should be used
    Last edited by dave j gtt; 15-04-2010 at 18:49.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Im Tory boy.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenobi View Post
    Im Tory boy.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    I mean a vote thingy at top so people dont have to say who's voting what publicley

    Have you's clicked on the link ? check it out

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    I don't think we have polls enabled on our forum, I can't find where to do it anyways

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by D4WNO View Post
    I don't think we have polls enabled on our forum, I can't find where to do it anyways
    Dawn see if you can enable free speech aswell.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Oh dear, these are my results which really does not help!
    Lib Dems 25.00%
    BNP 25.00%
    Labour 25.00%
    UKIP 25.00%

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Dawn, we had one on a previous topic for sure, am not saying its easy

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by D4WNO View Post
    Oh dear, these are my results which really does not help!
    Lib Dems 25.00%
    BNP 25.00%
    Labour 25.00%
    UKIP 25.00%
    like me ! you need a new party to vote for ! it's crap aint it

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by D4WNO View Post
    I don't think we have polls enabled on our forum, I can't find where to do it anyways
    Done.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by D4WNO View Post
    Oh dear, these are my results which really does not help!
    Lib Dems 25.00%
    BNP 25.00%
    Labour 25.00%
    UKIP 25.00%

    Ah you should stay in and watch corrie then.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Done.
    Thanks, I couldn't find the option anywhere

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    I must admit to being totally stumped! The Tories have alot right, especially on Immigration, fairer taxes and Health Service (wendy watched a local Tory MP talking about it here and he's actually an NHS doctor so knows his stuff!

    But has kicked themselves in the crotch by jumping on the green bandwagon, The armed services and their OAP policy (lets face it, none of them have that one right). Not to mention the feeling that Cameron just isn't in the real world with his millions and education (Good on him for being a millionaire, wish I was, but that does make you wonder if he's ever struggled to pay a bill, or buy a bottle of vino).

    I hate the current lot and if the Cabinet all internally combusted I wouldn't bat an eye lid.

    The Liberals are just so.....liberal, wishy washy, their Euro policy would have us as one European state and goodbye the pound, they hate the automotive industry and are almost as nuts about the enviroment as the greens!. I like their election reforms however.

    So that leaves me, in this area, with very few options.

    BNP
    UKIP
    Green
    Independant

    None of which will get the current lot out of power.

    Like I said, stuck between a rock and a hard place and unless I see another, my only option will be a protest vote against Labour rather than for the Tories.

    Bugger!

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Can we have a more of a break down in the others vote ?

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    and due to the current lots determination to record everything, this poll and conversation will be monitored. Regardless of anything good or bad over last government term, Labour's record on freedom and civil liberties is bloody awful. Total paranoia and a determination to record every email sent. Utter madness.

    In the words of Sean Lock last night- "Cameron's a ****, Brown is just a **** up and as for Nick Griffin, well let's just say it must of been a difficult birth- hunch back, one shoulder higher than the other and as for his eyes, well ones going to the shops whilst the other is on it's way back....."

    oh and as the swear filter has appeared he also came out with a classic one:

    Talking about The Sun- "You know when they blank out letters for swear words, well it's the closest Sun readers ever get to doing a cross word. The headline the other day was 'Katie calls Peter a F******g C**t - I reckon it was Folding Coat....

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by dave j gtt View Post
    Can we have a more of a break down in the others vote ?
    It'll clog the poll part of the page, so it's best if it's left as is.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Blot View Post
    and due to the current lots determination to record everything, this poll and conversation will be monitored. Regardless of anything good or bad over last government term, Labour's record on freedom and civil liberties is bloody awful. Total paranoia and a determination to record every email sent. Utter madness.

    In the words of Sean Lock last night- "Cameron's a ****, Brown is just a **** up and as for Nick Griffin, well let's just say it must of been a difficult birth- hunch back, one shoulder higher than the other and as for his eyes, well ones going to the shops whilst the other is on it's way back....."
    why thank you sir

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    It'll clog the poll part of the page, so it's best if it's left as is.

    Theres only four votes been made ? get it done so its more accurate ,peoples can vote again

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Get it done?

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    was writing somthing else and was'nt paying enough attention sorry mart

    Please could you do it as i ask with all options so it is more accurate

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    I cannot stand Gordon Brown, I used to support labour but it seems that over the years they have failed to set things in stone and always waste money intoducing new stuff thats not needed, Especially hard for them now after the recent economic downturn everybody is out there like a linch mob, But the thing that makes me sick in the stomach is all the mps and the recent scandals, its just shamefull and although probably blown out proportion by the media when they purchase other houses, claim for second morgages they dont have etc, and now the goverment turns round and says they have to provide reciepts this time, for fact sake next time i put my tax return in i will just say that i have spents thousands on kit for work this tax year and say no need the reciepts! the tax man would be at my door quicker than a rat up a drainpipe!

    PUT THEM ALL UP FOR THE FIRING SQUAD AND START A FRESH!

    My conclusion is they are all as bad as each other! once in power they just put there fingers up there arse!

    or at least the majority do

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    Get it done?

    Its fine how it os, no need to see how many votes bnp get, as i know thats whats wanted.. put it this way vote for bnp you may as well be a nazi..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave j gtt View Post
    was writing somthing else and was'nt paying enough attention sorry mart

    Please could you do it as i ask with all options so it is more accurate
    That's better

    Like I said, it'll clog up the Poll section as there's several other party names that could be listed as well. I'd imagine the main 3 parties will get the majority of votes, but if anyone does vote 'other' they're more than welcome to post in this thread the reasons behind it, if they feel the need to.

    And not only that, it may cause offence to some people if they see the BNP (as a good example) being voted for in the majority.

    I'll leave the Poll as it is.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    Quote Originally Posted by JRP View Post
    Its fine how it os, no need to see how many votes bnp get, as i know thats whats wanted.. put it this way vote for bnp you may as well be a nazi..

    I wont vote BNP and thats for sure.
    Need to have some new people who care and listen to the voters more.
    Last edited by dave j gtt; 15-04-2010 at 19:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    That's better

    Like I said, it'll clog up the Poll section as there's several other party names that could be listed as well. I'd imagine the main 3 parties will get the majority of votes, but if anyone does vote 'other' they're more than welcome to post in this thread the reasons behind it, if they feel the need to.

    And not only that, it may cause offence to some people if they see the BNP (as a good example) being voted for in the majority.

    I'll leave the Poll as it is.
    Add one for me to vote in, am not an Other.

    I want to see if anyone else thinks no ones worth voting for like me.

    Rather than not going to vote, I will vote. but for no one

    read this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilt_vote easy to rig then

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    with stuff like this happening in the uk and the news showing more an more articles like this it will have a big effect on the elections

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...ecome-minority-

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er--halal.html this will put a lot of english butchers out of busniess as all halal butchers have to be certified ie islamic. every shop round my way has halal on there door this is a big thing. what about what the english want doesnt seem to matter anymore, we will just have to eat it. its a whole new system replacing ours bit by bit.

    what were going to see over the coming years is a situation like when christainity entered rome then flourished.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VkIu8TL_I

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lWABGwFJn0

    if anybodys realy in to politics watch this with James George Hargreaves

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BipZ...os=Hx2xT3z0H08 WATCH THIS HARGREAVES IS VERY GOOD

    just my view of the uk and the future

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9atIjykihkc this will happen
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    Re: 2010 General Election

    I have always voted Labour simply for the fact I've grown up with a Labour family! Personally, I'm not really bothered as long as the BNP don't get anywhere tbh think I might go lib dem this time as I think someone else deserves a chance! Plus, although I didn't watch it all, I heard Clegg done really well last night.

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    what we need is some real leaders not these bunch of idiots, wheres the leaders like winston churchill gone, the politicans of today are seriously lacking in oratory skills, mind you all most people 60 odd years ago were better orators.

    blah blah blah
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EjG...ature=featured

    this is more like it
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-W5r...os=VqbK1qMXGzc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl-am...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzD8K...os=DwQal9x2Tl4

    wheres the three main partys questioning what brussels does, seems as though most voters dont even know whats going on nowdays and vote with there head in the sand, when people get more of the same from the three main partys they will still wonder why thing are the same.
    wait for more human rights laws and the rest of the bul****, like how most fisherman in the uk have already met their quotas for this year and their boats are sitting in dock, they cant make the money they need and are having to sell there boats of, the british fishing fleet is declining at a great rate.

    sorry but clegg hasnt got it in him hes a wash out

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    anybody see this panorama the other night quite intresting.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._Britain_Full/

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    I've voted!!

    Where do we vote for the new EO?

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    based on four forums results, as i perdicted four to six months ago. torys will win its not good for car enthuiasts, i should of had the bet, might even still take a bet on the election, somwhere with someone .

    not everyone knows what they are voting for, thats for sure!. nore do people know how to make a difference. not that i do, or know how. Am just saying torys aint good for car owners/drivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave j gtt View Post
    based on four forums results, as i perdicted four to six months ago. torys will win its not good for car enthuiasts, i should of had the bet, might even still take a bet on the election, somwhere with someone .

    not everyone knows what they are voting for, thats for sure!. nore do people know how to make a difference. not that i do, or know how. Am just saying torys aint good for car owners/drivers.

    i still cant see why people are voting liebour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU_fz...ext=1&index=16

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    daily politics debate, BBC2 nw

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    Re: 2010 General Election

    I've been listening to various debates recentley and find myself agreeing with a lot of what Nick Griffin says.

    Now Im not racist at all!!! However I find some of his potential policies refreshing and to be honest common sense.

    I dont know enough about the BNP to make a total statement about them being racist, Im sure they must be though if everyone says so. I wish I had time to study manifestos etc, I simple dont. Conservative party is still getting my vote.

    Does anyone think the Lib dems will have us all disarming our Nuclear arsenal? he seems to think thats what hes going to do.

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    Please dont vote BNP Kenobi. They do identify real problems however their solutions are too simplistic and appeal to our basest primeval tribal emotions. They are not nice people.

    Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.

    GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.

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    can you beleive this what the hell are these people thinking maybe there on crack http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...ed-on-NHS.html

    and cleg backs this allso liberals are going full out to ruin this country
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...-of-drugs.html

    and now this again o dear just when kids need more discipline
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...king-europe-uk

    as you sow so shall you reap

    o and hears another great idear from the lib dems http://www.maxtheboylion.com/2010/04...lowered-to-16/
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussellT View Post
    Please dont vote BNP Kenobi. They do identify real problems however their solutions are too simplistic and appeal to our basest primeval tribal emotions. They are not nice people.

    Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.

    GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.

    the ira blow people up then get into parliment. now thats not nice labour and conservitive kills thousands in iraq and afganistan now thats not nice and what ever liberal gets in next will take us into iran. now who have the bnp killed
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussellT View Post
    Please dont vote BNP Kenobi. They do identify real problems however their solutions are too simplistic and appeal to our basest primeval tribal emotions. They are not nice people.

    Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.

    GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.
    Trident. We have a bigger stick than the scary countries at the moment. I say keep our stick.

    I wouldn't ever vote BNP, I think that just incase im branded a rascist. Seriously though i dont know enough about them.

    Camo is my man. He will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussellT View Post
    Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.

    GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.
    So you would have us sacrifice our role as a permanent member of the UN Security Council? That is effectively what loss of Trident means. Lose our ability to directly veto and influence global law, especially regarding security? All for the price of circa 1bn (that is the projected replacement cost to span the next cycle of about 35 years - post Vanguard Class submarines going out of Service). Current running costs are a fraction of the current defence budget.

    We BORROWED 168bn this financial year to keep a few people employed, and the housing market buoyant. Every time we have had a recession in the past - we recovered. Now we have to suffer the hangover of this borrowing for a decade at the very least - a recession in itself that hasn’t started yet. We owe approximately £15,000 per man woman and child in the UK. The interest served on the debt is £1,800 per household this year in the UK. The cost of a replacement programme is peanuts for what we get in return, and given the fact that we cannot even measure (in £ or lives) the cost savings of wars/conflicts that have been prevented by the UNSC (or by resolutions the UK has vetoed) we should not be so quick to lose it, it may cost an awful lot more in the long run.

    As for suicide bombers you are missing a much wider picture. Soft Power (more recently coined Smart Power) and our ability to prevent conflict comes from our inherent strength, and our allies gained through defence diplomacy via the FCO. Without a nuclear capability - the P5 - and the inherent stability that it affords the UK (and EU-wide trade agreements), places like N Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and Argentina would not take the UK and our diplomats seriously, with consequential impacts on economic growth and sustainability in the medium and long term. It could even be a cost negative!

    If we do not maintain our capability, the replacement costs have been forecast by numerous establishments to increase by a factor of x10 - 15% year on year until the replacement is placed on contract, and their is zero guarantee that the US would then allow us to use their updated warheads. Therefore if the decision is right to axe trident in the future, then the decision is correct today. Would you be comfortable to take the decision to strike down our core defence capability and all that it affords (as above) tomorrow? I certainly would not.

    Anyway, my soap box just collapsed so I’ll have to get back to going fast in cool cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastair View Post
    So you would have us sacrifice our role as a permanent member of the UN Security Council? That is effectively what loss of Trident means. Lose our ability to directly veto and influence global law, especially regarding security? All for the price of circa 1bn (that is the projected replacement cost to span the next cycle of about 35 years - post Vanguard Class submarines going out of Service). Current running costs are a fraction of the current defence budget.

    We BORROWED 168bn this financial year to keep a few people employed, and the housing market buoyant. Every time we have had a recession in the past - we recovered. Now we have to suffer the hangover of this borrowing for a decade at the very least - a recession in itself that hasn’t started yet. We owe approximately £15,000 per man woman and child in the UK. The interest served on the debt is £1,800 per household this year in the UK. The cost of a replacement programme is peanuts for what we get in return, and given the fact that we cannot even measure (in £ or lives) the cost savings of wars/conflicts that have been prevented by the UNSC (or by resolutions the UK has vetoed) we should not be so quick to lose it, it may cost an awful lot more in the long run.

    As for suicide bombers you are missing a much wider picture. Soft Power (more recently coined Smart Power) and our ability to prevent conflict comes from our inherent strength, and our allies gained through defence diplomacy via the FCO. Without a nuclear capability - the P5 - and the inherent stability that it affords the UK (and EU-wide trade agreements), places like N Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and Argentina would not take the UK and our diplomats seriously, with consequential impacts on economic growth and sustainability in the medium and long term. It could even be a cost negative!

    If we do not maintain our capability, the replacement costs have been forecast by numerous establishments to increase by a factor of x10 - 15% year on year until the replacement is placed on contract, and their is zero guarantee that the US would then allow us to use their updated warheads. Therefore if the decision is right to axe trident in the future, then the decision is correct today. Would you be comfortable to take the decision to strike down our core defence capability and all that it affords (as above) tomorrow? I certainly would not.

    Anyway, my soap box just collapsed so I’ll have to get back to going fast in cool cars.
    Very articulate. I, totally voting for you mate.

    Now to lower the tone.

    Nuclear missiles, just as we all hold hands and make daisy chains to celebrate doing away with the best weapon we have ever made, an acient alien race land who say they come in peace much like when colombus discovered Amercica (lol i think he did).

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    Trident. We have a bigger stick than the scary countries at the moment. I say keep our stick.

    I wouldn't ever vote BNP, I think that just incase im branded a rascist. Seriously though i dont know enough about them.

    Camo is my man. He will win.

    camo is far right he just dont talk about it
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...o_bristol.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...nce-questioned
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...h-nationalists


    cons will go into iran following america 2 million will march through london and still they wont listen

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/me...ameron-foreign
    i wonder what will happen when the west stops consuming so much from china With just over 1.3 billion people (1,330,044,605 as of mid-2008), is the world's largest and most populous country.
    As the world's population is approximately 6.7 billion, China represents a full 20% of the world's population so one in every five people on the planet is a resident of China. **** me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenobi View Post
    Very articulate. I, totally voting for you mate.

    Now to lower the tone.

    Nuclear missiles, just as we all hold hands and make daisy chains to celebrate doing away with the best weapon we have ever made, an acient alien race land who say they come in peace much like when colombus discovered Amercica (lol i think he did).

    cortez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hern%C3%A1n_Cort%C3%A9s you have been reading that article by Professor Hawkings lol alien invasion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastair View Post
    So you would have us sacrifice our role as a permanent member of the UN Security Council? That is effectively what loss of Trident means. Lose our ability to directly veto and influence global law, especially regarding security? All for the price of circa 1bn (that is the projected replacement cost to span the next cycle of about 35 years - post Vanguard Class submarines going out of Service). Current running costs are a fraction of the current defence budget.

    We BORROWED 168bn this financial year to keep a few people employed, and the housing market buoyant. Every time we have had a recession in the past - we recovered. Now we have to suffer the hangover of this borrowing for a decade at the very least - a recession in itself that hasn’t started yet. We owe approximately £15,000 per man woman and child in the UK. The interest served on the debt is £1,800 per household this year in the UK. The cost of a replacement programme is peanuts for what we get in return, and given the fact that we cannot even measure (in £ or lives) the cost savings of wars/conflicts that have been prevented by the UNSC (or by resolutions the UK has vetoed) we should not be so quick to lose it, it may cost an awful lot more in the long run.

    As for suicide bombers you are missing a much wider picture. Soft Power (more recently coined Smart Power) and our ability to prevent conflict comes from our inherent strength, and our allies gained through defence diplomacy via the FCO. Without a nuclear capability - the P5 - and the inherent stability that it affords the UK (and EU-wide trade agreements), places like N Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and Argentina would not take the UK and our diplomats seriously, with consequential impacts on economic growth and sustainability in the medium and long term. It could even be a cost negative!

    If we do not maintain our capability, the replacement costs have been forecast by numerous establishments to increase by a factor of x10 - 15% year on year until the replacement is placed on contract, and their is zero guarantee that the US would then allow us to use their updated warheads. Therefore if the decision is right to axe trident in the future, then the decision is correct today. Would you be comfortable to take the decision to strike down our core defence capability and all that it affords (as above) tomorrow? I certainly would not.

    Anyway, my soap box just collapsed so I’ll have to get back to going fast in cool cars.

    and in ten years time there will be a million or more homeless people because homes cant be built fast enough, house prices will go up further due to lack of housing and wages will go down more because of migrant workers and britains lack of traing for our own population

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    cons will go into iran following america 2 million will march through london and still they wont listen
    We won't need to go into Iran, neither will the Americans. (The Guardian have an agenda)

    We are already using Soft/Smart Power to engage in the region - have a look what the response from Iran was when the last US Nimitz class carrier deployed to the region and sailed straight through the Straits of Hormouz…

    We also have the support of the UNSC (not forgetting our seat on the P5 ) to impose trade embargoes which, while fairly benign at present, can and would be swiftly ramped up should they attempt to do anything significant. Just look at the threat, the Shahab 3 and Fajr 3 missiles, and where did they get the technology? They are based on the Nodong missile from N Korea. So how would we influence Korea? By using our kudos as a world nuclear power (Trident) and member of the P5 of course. Am I going round in circles? Man I bite too easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastair View Post
    We won't need to go into Iran, neither will the Americans. (The Guardian have an agenda)

    We are already using Soft/Smart Power to engage in the region - have a look what the response from Iran was when the last US Nimitz class carrier deployed to the region and sailed straight through the Straits of Hormouz…

    We also have the support of the UNSC (not forgetting our seat on the P5 ) to impose trade embargoes which, while fairly benign at present, can and would be swiftly ramped up should they attempt to do anything significant. Just look at the threat, the Shahab 3 and Fajr 3 missiles, and where did they get the technology? They are based on the Nodong missile from N Korea. So how would we influence Korea? By using our kudos as a world nuclear power (Trident) and member of the P5 of course. Am I going round in circles? Man I bite too easily
    i understand its good to know theres people out there reading up taking intrest
    but i think iran and korea are still preparing for somthing korea is proper poor they wouldnt waste so much money for nothing they will be barginging at some point what will they want and what will we give.

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    Whether
    Conservative, Liberal
    or
    Labour , I think
    you'll get
    a kick out of
    this!


    A little boy goes to his
    dad and asks, 'What is Politics?'

    Dad says, 'Well son, let
    me try to explain it this way:

    I am the head of the
    family, so call me The Prime Minister.

    Your mother is the
    administrator of the money, so we call her the Government.


    We are here to take care
    of your needs, so we will call you the People.
    The nanny, we will
    consider her the Working Class.

    And your baby brother,
    we will call him the Future.

    Now think about that and
    see if it makes sense.'

    So the little boy goes
    off to bed thinking about what Dad has said.

    Later that night, he
    hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him.


    He finds that the baby
    has severely soiled his nappy.

    So the little boy goes
    to his parent's room and finds his mother asleep.

    Not wanting to wake her,
    he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks
    in the keyhole and see's his father in bed with the nanny.

    He gives up and goes back to bed.

    The next morning, the
    little boy say's to his father, 'Dad, I think I understand the
    concept of politics now. '

    The father says, 'Good,
    son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all
    about.'

    The little boy replies,
    'The prime Minister is screwing the Working Class while the
    Government is sound asleep. The People are being ignored and
    the Future is in deep
    ****.'
     

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    LOL

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    Re Trident check out the debate this issue does tend to polarise opinion. Its not easy to back away from it and if the saving was "just" £1Bn I agree it woundnt be worth the human misery and cost to the communities that rely on it but in my view the sums involved in the short term are much greater than that although it is hard to pin that crucial number down

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyours..._scrapped.html


    Do you think its possible that Iran and N Korea etc want nucleor wepons because we have them?

    As for ythe invasion of Iraq I totally agree, that was down to Tony Blair and I would like to see him face charges of War Crimes. Parliament let us down big style on that one. A more balanced "hung" parliament might have prevented that disaster.

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    so much of our money is being wasted in this country pakistan for example has a space program and we are giving them aid still and then theres the amount of money being paid to be in europe i could go on, its in the billions, thats why we are all working so hard here longest hours in europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussellT View Post
    Re Trident check out the debate this issue does tend to polarise opinion. Its not easy to back away from it and if the saving was "just" £1Bn I agree it woundnt be worth the human misery and cost to the communities that rely on it but in my view the sums involved in the short term are much greater than that although it is hard to pin that crucial number down

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyours..._scrapped.html


    Do you think its possible that Iran and N Korea etc want nucleor wepons because we have them?

    As for ythe invasion of Iraq I totally agree, that was down to Tony Blair and I would like to see him face charges of War Crimes. Parliament let us down big style on that one. A more balanced "hung" parliament might have prevented that disaster.
    LOL war crimes. As if. Did Maggie face war crimes when we sunk that argi ship as it was retreating, No. We need that "dont **** with us" leadership again.

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