Mark did you get a chance measure them?
I rang Non Standard today to get a price for 108mm length:
It's an extra £60 = £193.30 + vat = £227.13 for 100 bolts = £22.71 a set to the club.
So quite a bit extra. But so were those thicker washers mentioned in an above post at £7 a set.
i measured the depth of the block for the bolt, with the head on (not clamped down but with old gasket) and washer in place and came to a complete depth of 120mm minus the 5mm due to the shape of a drill bit, so there should be 115mm for the bolt (roughly) with thicker washers it should be ok. I have no tools to measure this properly so if someone could do it a bit more accurately that would be ace, the head was not clamped down but i cant see it compressing more than a couple of mm.
I don't know what everyone else wants to do, but I would prefer to pay the extra and get the 108's.
me n all im suer theres some reason for it.
What you could do is leave the washer off and re-fit the bolt to see if it easily turns all the way down or stops just up from the head. Obviously, don't tighten them up hard or anything. That shows there's 2.5mm clear.Originally Posted by SCHWARTZ
You could even leave off the head gasket as well as the washers and fit the bolts. That would show there's perhaps 4.5(?)mm clear.
The bolts might get a bit tight if no bolts have ever been down into those threads though. But I'd guess if you ran out of thread the bolt would pretty much just stop.
with the head on but not tight with an old gasket and no washer the bolt does go all the way in by hand. original washers about 2mm thick
Last edited by SCHWARTZ; 08-06-2010 at 18:25.
Thanks for that,
OK then, there should be 0.5mm to spare if the washers are actually 2.5mm and the new bolts are 2mm longer. Or the same if they are 2mm washers.
I'll order the 110mm bolts tomorrow then.
If they do prove to be a shade too long then we'll have to get some slightly thicker washers.
Jolly good
wernt thicker washers being ordered any way or do you mean even thicker washers.
I've ordered the bolts.
No I wasn't ordering thicker washers. I got the impression that the OE washers were good enough.
The washers would have to be ordered from else where as NSSS Ltd don't sell them.
Getting these ordered has taken well over and hour of my day, maybe two. Multiple phone calls and emails with various quote and reference numbers, order placement email and order confirmation email, order confirmation response email, credit card over the phone. Then there's all the previous calls to this company and their various quotes, etc, for stock items, standard specials and special specials. It's not just a simple matter of phoning and buying something.
If washers are needed then we'll deal with it then.
well thanks for all your hard work ian, if people need washers im sure they can be found a lot easier than bolts and when the bolts are in put me down for 2 sets please ian
good work ian.
where do i put my order
Yep good work on the time consuming effort.
If they are needed im gonna hold you to this
Ill let dave r5 test them out first and see how he goes on
They should be appearing inthe shop in a couple of weeks.where do i put my order
The lead time N-SSS gave was something like 10 days.
They are being sent direct to CLee for the shop, together with 200 head bolts for the 5GTT's C1J engine.
We have to thank Schwartz for sending me an OE bolt to measure and for testing an OE bolt in the head without the washer.
And HAndy for the info about, and link to, link to N-SSS Ltd.
Is that per bolt?
any ideas when these bolts will be in the shop?
We paid for them on the 14 June.
They said about 10 working days.
It's been six so far.
not to long now then ace
Phoned them this morning and got an e-mail response stating that the bolts will be dispatched on 1st July.
So that will probably mean delivery to Clee this Friday.
https://www.rtoc.org/shop/index.php?m...roducts_id=103
You can pre-pay if you like.
I've listed them as not available until next Monday.
These are now in stock .
https://www.rtoc.org/shop/index.php?m...roducts_id=103
Thanks Ian for sorting this out and for the GTA bolts as well
Very good. A day early
Glad I could make a useful difference
In case anyone is wondering why these are so much more that the M10 bolts in the shop, here's the price break down:
With carriage shared with the M10 bolts I bought at the same time, purchase price by the club works out to £16.31 per set of 10.
Some of the costs below are approximate:
£16.31
£2.00 postage extra; see below *
£1.50 envelope, packing, label
=£19.81
£0.87 PayPal 3.4% + 20p
=£20.68
£0.09 3.4% of the RTOC flat rate postage
=£20.77 per set cost to the club
Plus the % for non members to purchase at.
Members get their discount when using the discount code.
* 10 bolts weigh about 1Kg so 1st class post = about £4.50. The RTOC standard flat rate is about £2.50. So I added the extra £2.00 to the bolts price.
good work lads got the bolts a while ago, and have now fitted them. The bolts tightened up nicely to 90nm so dosnt look like there is any problem at all with the bolts maby being to long. so a big thanks goes to ian and whoever else help sort these bolts out.
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