Project 172

I'm almost certainly going to regret this...

It looks like I've bought most of a PH2 172 (anyone want what looks like a straight shell?). It's complete enough to move around under it's own steam, or will be when I slip some wheels under it.

I'm on the look out for something amusing to build the bits into, no rush as I've got plenty to do simplifying the wiring in the 172 so that it's easier to reshell when the time comes.

It'll be a daily driver, so it won't be anything other than standard :sad2:

No pictures yet, but I'll post once I have some.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

I'm almost certainly going to regret this...

It looks like I've bought most of a PH2 172 (anyone want what looks like a straight shell?). It's complete enough to move around under it's own steam, or will be when I slip some wheels under it.

I'm on the look out for something amusing to build the bits into, no rush as I've got plenty to do simplifying the wiring in the 172 so that it's easier to reshell when the time comes.

It'll be a daily driver, so it won't be anything other than standard :sad2:

No pictures yet, but I'll post once I have some.

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Looks like fun.. are you still hillclimbing/sprinting?

I've just sent off for my license and NottinghamSportsCarClub membership, so I'll be doing a few rounds this year all being well :)

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Originally Posted by Andrew Warren

Looks like fun.. are you still hillclimbing/sprinting?

I've just sent off for my license and NottinghamSportsCarClub membership, so I'll be doing a few rounds this year all being well :)

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yes and no, I think this could be another taking it easy year :laugh:

172 lump into a new shape twingo :agree:

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Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok

172 lump into a new shape twingo :agree:

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isn't a new shape twingo just an old clio in a new shape?

A mini?

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

isn't a new shape twingo just an old clio in a new shape?

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yeah, same shape clio as mine, so all the bits wishbones and stuff should drop in

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Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok

yeah, same shape clio as mine, so all the bits wishbones and stuff should drop in

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nah, you build it and I'll take the pictures :laugh:

get me all the bits ill chuck it together with cable ties:agree:

Andy, how much for the shell?

C1J'd stripped clio shell sounds like fun. :D

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Originally Posted by Penfold

Andy, how much for the shell?

C1J'd stripped clio shell sounds like fun. :D

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I've already had some interest, nothing concrete. I won't want much, I certainly wouldn't be offended by any offer. Let me get it on my drive before you start fighting over it. The shell looked good, no sunroof, but it will be little more than a shell once I've finished.

Those of you on Cliosport, is there anything of technical value in the members only bits?

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

Those of you on Cliosport, is there anything of technical value in the members only bits?

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No the place is fully of numptys if they have a problem they take there cars to K-Tec

don't hold back :laugh:

looking at the projects there seem to some clued up than others, although I note an unhealthy interest in 'flocking'.... still, a few years ago it was like that here, but 'mesh' was the word of choice:sad2:

buddy if you need out off there give me a shout no need to pay up for anything, not many people on there can answer any technical questions

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Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok

buddy if you need out off there give me a shout no need to pay up for anything, not many people on there can answer any technical questions

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sweet, can you get me all the info needed to fit a ph2 172 engine into another shell:D

I really need to start pawing over the 172, but how much stuff can I ditch, and it still run normally? How does the security thing work? Am I better ditching it and hacking the ECU, or transplanting it? Actually, what is it?? I guess it'll be easier to ditch the ABS and fit a pressure limiter in the rear brake lines? Or is it, and should I just throw the ABS on too?

I'm at the point, where I don't know how much stuff I don't know:sad:

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

sweet, can you get me all the info needed to fit a ph2 172 engine into another shell:D

I really need to start pawing over the 172, but how much stuff can I ditch, and it still run normally? How does the security thing work? Am I better ditching it and hacking the ECU, or transplanting it? Actually, what is it?? I guess it'll be easier to ditch the ABS and fit a pressure limiter in the rear brake lines? Or is it, and should I just throw the ABS on too?

I'm at the point, where I don't know how much stuff I don't know:sad:

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Ask K-Tec :)

a full set of schematics would tell you a lot :)

if you want to keep the stock ecu you can get it chiped so that it doesnt have the security and stuff on it, you can ditch the abs, has its own loom sorta. you can use volvo 440 belt/alt setups to ditch the pas and ac if you have it too

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Originally Posted by Scoff

a full set of schematics would tell you a lot :)

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sorted - sorta...

Cooke, what the bloody hell you planning to do now?! :coffee: :D

Shouldn't you be concentrating on getting your 5 back on the road...well, hill-climbs?

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Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok

if you want to keep the stock ecu you can get it chiped so that it doesnt have the security and stuff on it, you can ditch the abs, has its own loom sorta. you can use volvo 440 belt/alt setups to ditch the pas and ac if you have it too

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yep, PAS and AC will be going. I'll have to look into the volvo belt setup, sounds a bit simpler than all the ****e hanging off the end of the engine. Smaller too - and boy, do I need to claw back all the space I can ;)

Feel free to post the parts required for the volvo belt setup:cartman:

I had a theory that, if you plipped or turned on the ignition of the donor car in its original state then, cut the wire from the UCH to the injection computer, the injection computer would always be unlocked.....? Worth a try one day if someone is good with a soldering iron to re-join the wires, or, going to 'Chip' a car anyway......

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

yep, PAS and AC will be going. I'll have to look into the volvo belt setup, sounds a bit simpler than all the ****e hanging off the end of the engine. Smaller too - and boy, do I need to claw back all the space I can ;)

Feel free to post the parts required for the volvo belt setup:cartman:

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A C409 or R5 GTX bottom pully, altenator bracket and tensioner is OK....

It may take a few days, but if you want I can print off some wiring diags for the 172 off from VISU and post them to ya...?

Re. the volvo setup (which I think is also similar to the gtx setup ?) you might run into issues with clearance in a small engine bay. the alternator bracket has the alternator sitting forward rarther a lot. I couldn't get it into my engine bay!

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Originally Posted by Mart

Cooke, what the bloody hell you planning to do now?! :coffee: :D

Shouldn't you be concentrating on getting your 5 back on the road...well, hill-climbs?

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it's a surprise, but I'll bet your reaction will be something along the lines of "FFS":scratch:

and you're right, that's what I should be concentrating on, but I'm not.

actually, a big part of me was thinking - why not just buy all the lightweight fibreglass and perspex parts in the catalogue and put the 172 back on the road. But nah, that's just too "cliosport":laugh:

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Originally Posted by Scoff

Re. the volvo setup (which I think is also similar to the gtx setup ?) you might run into issues with clearance in a small engine bay. the alternator bracket has the alternator sitting forward rarther a lot. I couldn't get it into my engine bay!

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I reckon a motorcycle altenator and a diy bracket should sort the problem,and,now you have a proper mill Andy, it should be easy to knock up a bracket....?

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Originally Posted by Scoff

Re. the volvo setup (which I think is also similar to the gtx setup ?) you might run into issues with clearance in a small engine bay. the alternator bracket has the alternator sitting forward rarther a lot. I couldn't get it into my engine bay!

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hmm, might need bit more thought then, still, at least it won't need that to start, I'm sure something can be bodged together.

I have used the GTX setup which is very similair if not the same to the Volvo setup

I had to modify the bracket so it would clear the cross member (Renault part number 77 00 718 613 - £23.50 inc VAT)

The top alt bracket is also off the GTX bracket (Renault part number 82 00 031 832 - £44.17 inc VAT)

Cliosports only a fiver to join isn't it? So its not really a big expense but as Jame5 says they are a bunch of numptys who don't listen to good advice unless its from GDI or Ktec!!

However, if you want a 50 page thread on whos got the best ass, Britney or Christina, then its a fiver well spent :coffee:

There are some nice projects on there tho!!

The UCH thing that reads the key doesn't seem to be any thing fancy, I put a multimeter across it and it just read +5v whin the key was inserted, I guess you could override it fairly easily?

Thanks for the pics James, I'll be looking at them again nearer the time :) I guess it uses a different belt?

Ashy - as a non member I can see the projects. Since I presumably have a UCH (?) in the donor car do I need to bypass it, or can I just use it? This may seem obvious to you, but I've not seen one, got any idea what it is, how it works, or even how you activate/deactivate it...

Matt - I think I'm OK for diagrams, I'll just need to get my head around what's what. I'll be back on touch once I'm totally lost

OK, if you need a hand with understanding the UCH/Decoder give me a shout and I'll dust off my old training manuals....

Yeah the original belt is a 6pk I ended up getting a 5pk827 or was it 5pk 830 belt from a local motor factor.


:pWhere the bits I emailed you any good and did you take a look at the download link? what did you think of it?

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

Thanks for the pics James, I'll be looking at them again nearer the time :) I guess it uses a different belt?

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I managed to get the top alternator bracket from a volvo 440 and there's no shortage of those in the scrappers.. oh and it has the added advantage of having a mounting point for an engine damper, which is nice if you one one. but best of all it cost £5.
I also got the bottom bracket from the same car but that'll need a bit of bashing to get on :)

So whats the plans or base of the engine?

how about a 172 R11 https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=5092

Would be different? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

So whats the plans or base of the engine?

how about a 172 R11 https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=5092

Would be different? :confused:

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is different good? I hope so :popcorn:

Its my cup of tea... :agree: spill the beans whats going on :confused:

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

Its my cup of tea... :agree: spill the beans whats going on :confused:

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I will once I know, I'm almost there, just sold my Micra to make space in my life for another car.

just watched the Micra drive away, it was 'emotional' off for a Guinness to celebrate.

Nothing much to report, although I should be picking the 'clio' up on Sunday. Can rattle off a couple of pics of the hulk then.

woops...

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

woops...

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:laugh: Love the 3 spokes:cooter:

Nuts :eek: this is guna be good i can see it......:)

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Originally Posted by James5

:laugh: Love the 3 spokes:cooter:

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you can't put a price on retro chic like that, still, you're a mate, make me an offer :laugh:

What size are they? look small and light, ideal for drag rears maybe :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

What size are they? look small and light, ideal for drag rears maybe :coffee:

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not sure, but I bet they're not as light as they look. I'll try and weigh one with a tyre on.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke

woops...

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ah so you got it then, nice. is it running yet? :p

Rear engine would be a winner there Andy....go on & do it for a laugh.

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Originally Posted by Penfold

Rear engine would be a winner there Andy....go on & do it for a laugh.

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nooo, it's going to be a nice sensible daily driver, nothing that takes away the original practicality. Besides, the seats fold down to make a double bed - of sorts :D

Ilker - it's running, that's largely because my spanners have been nowhere near it..

2 streams to the project, the first is to strip all the extraneous ****e off the 172 and get it running in minimal mode - ie hotwired. Service the 172 engine - belt swap, and anything obvious or recommended (suggestions please..)

The second is the twingo -
- Wheels and tyres - 195/45/15 - play about with spacers to get the clearance right..
- 172 brakes (and front suspension?)
- there are some rust spots underneath that need looking at - hopefully it's just clean, inhibit and coat, if not I have a MIG..
- suspension - I can see Koni coilover all around.
- engine and gearbox swap.

as you can see the engine is way down the list.

The good thing about having something unusual to start with is you need to do no more than hang fuzzy dice from the interior mirror to make it unique..