1st Oct - Saturday Night Special at Santa Pod

Who's up for one last blast at the Pod before the weather gets too bad and Pod close's, Sat Night Special has always seemed to be a good day and if the weather is right some very good times can be had (Stuart Clark set previous record time at this event).

I'm going to go along in eother car and have one last crack before the winter, does anyone else fancy coming along too and make a nice gathering out of it.

Depending on weather could all camp over and enjoy the night antics as usual, camping and evening entertainment is catered for by Pod so shouldn't get too bored.

Lets get list going and if needs be may see if pod could set an area aside for us if numbers are fair size

Sounds good to me! if weather is good ill be up for camping.

1. Brigsy

sounds good to me to.i've been to some of them before,they are good.nothing like going down the strip in the dark :eek:
1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1

Make up your mind!:p EDIT: Missread the date and thought you were on about USC lol.

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT

yes im up for this and hope to be running more boost by then,camping yes and getting :drunk:

I'd be up for this too.

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT
5.Turboted
6.Zlogg

Me too, really enjoyed frog@pod, I'm also looking forward to Brigsy doing an 11sec ;)

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT
5.Turboted
6.Zlogg
7.Bigdur
8.Bigfoot

Ill be up for this as well, do enjoy the late night special events and keep meaning to go up there more often.

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT
5.Turboted
6.Zlogg
7.Bigdur
8.Bigfoot
9.Steve

Will be hoping to pop along, doubt the 19 will be done but got the bug for pod again now & never been to a Sat night special, might bring one of my lads down for a taster, I'll see if John wants to pop along as well :agree:.

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT
5.Turboted
6.Zlogg
7.Bigdur
8.Bigfoot
9.Steve
10. Dave Reed, bigger NOS jets this time :burnrubber:

I've had a double booking fail so can't make this now. :(

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT
5.Turboted
6.Zlogg
7.Bigdur
8.Bigfoot
9.Steve
10. Dave Reed, bigger NOS jets this time :burnrubber:

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11. SCHWARTZ (if the car is sorted;):D)

Is everone still going to this? I'll defo be attending.. I'll be with the Taz racing lot, but you'll be more than welcome to come park up next to us.

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Is everone still going to this? I'll defo be attending.. I'll be with the Taz racing lot, but you'll be more than welcome to come park up next to us.

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Yeah i'l still going mate, will be there in the tungy one again give it one last go :D
That be good i we can all park together, cheers mate.

I've not spoke to anyone else yet, been little rushed off feet but know few people still up for it

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Originally Posted by Markey Mark (BD)

Yeah i'l still going mate, will be there in the tungy one again give it one last go :D
That be good i we can all park together, cheers mate.

I've not spoke to anyone else yet, been little rushed off feet but know few people still up for it

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Come on Mark... where's the red one??? :D Re the parking just pull up fella, we can take over all the V8's haha

Cool I'll see you there Sat morning then, I should be there from about half 8 :agree:

My dyno session last week went to crap so I don't know if it's worth me going. If I do I'll likely spend all day messing with boost controllers and get no good runs in. Maybe if the weathers good it'll be worth a try :)

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT
5.Turboted
6.Zlogg
7.Bigdur
8.Bigfoot
9.Steve
10. Dave Reed, bigger NOS jets this time :burnrubber:
11. SCHWARTZ (if the car is sorted;):D)
12. car.crash

Damn it!! i wanted to go :cry:

I'm booked for a night out in cambridge to celebrate being back in single hood again :beer:

yes i think i will be there if weather is ok bigger nos jets;););) and race fuel lol

I might pop along in my S15 if it's mapped in time, I just bought a GT3082R for it:D

I'll be there in the 5 if I can get my fmic all fitted up in time, shouldn't be a problem though :scared:

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Come on Mark... where's the red one??? :D Re the parking just pull up fella, we can take over all the V8's haha

Cool I'll see you there Sat morning then, I should be there from about half 8 :agree:

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Red ones tucked up having last few bits done to it mate, not rushing that one now going to have full year of racing it next year.
The tungys going up for sale as of sunday so thought have one last play with it before it goes.

I'll keep eye out for you when i get there mate

should be ready for this dropping the engine/gearbox back in tomorrow morning and have the rest of the week off to sort out any problems that usually occurs:D

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Originally Posted by Scoff

My dyno session last week went to crap so I don't know if it's worth me going. If I do I'll likely spend all day messing with boost controllers and get no good runs in. Maybe if the weathers good it'll be worth a try :)

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What happend then Chris? Sounds a bit like an excuse to me haha :D

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Originally Posted by Hi 5

yes i think i will be there if weather is ok bigger nos jets;););) and race fuel lol

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Glenn you may aswell just remove them jets if your going bigger mate ;):D

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Originally Posted by Markey Mark (BD)

Red ones tucked up having last few bits done to it mate, not rushing that one now going to have full year of racing it next year.
The tungys going up for sale as of sunday so thought have one last play with it before it goes.

I'll keep eye out for you when i get there mate

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Fair enuff mate.. Better to get it all sorted and get it right :agree:

Cool see you sat then.

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Originally Posted by turbo ted

should be ready for this dropping the engine/gearbox back in tomorrow morning and have the rest of the week off to sort out any problems that usually occurs:D

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Wicked fella, be good to see you out again :agree:

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Glenn you may aswell just remove them jets if your going bigger mate ;):D

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Boost control was being a pain. Dyno operator needed to call it a day, and my wallet couldn't sustain much more, so gave up trying to resolve it. I'll have to go back to the big wastegate springs and try and set the boost at the track, but then 1st gear is going to be problematic again unless I can work some magic in the ECU. Also new driveshafts and hubs still havn't turned up so I'll be running crappy CV's still. Forecast looks good so we should be on for a goodun in that respect :)

Hey if you think Glenns 100 shot is a lot, there's a guy in York that's putting 600hp in to his V8 !!

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Originally Posted by Scoff

Boost control was being a pain. Dyno operator needed to call it a day, and my wallet couldn't sustain much more, so gave up trying to resolve it. I'll have to go back to the big wastegate springs and try and set the boost at the track, but then 1st gear is going to be problematic again unless I can work some magic in the ECU. Also new driveshafts and hubs still havn't turned up so I'll be running crappy CV's still. Forecast looks good so we should be on for a goodun in that respect :)

Hey if you think Glenns 100 shot is a lot, there's a guy in York that's putting 600hp in to his V8 !!

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haha ye it does get expensive and quick.. Well hopefully you'll be able to sort it at the track, would be nice to see a 9 :D

Mmmm I'm not sure about 100 shot, I think he said he was going up 5 or 10hp steps after every run (when he was close to the 10) he must of been close to 150 then lol.. Yeah them V8's run serious amounts through them, mind is it a hoppy kit? if it is, it would prob be half that if it was a NOS system haha..

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Glenn you may aswell just remove them jets if your going bigger mate ;):D

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O yeah and it's your turn to get the tea's in this time mate haha ;)

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

haha ye it does get expensive and quick.. Well hopefully you'll be able to sort it at the track, would be nice to see a 9 :D

Mmmm I'm not sure about 100 shot, I think he said he was going up 5 or 10hp steps after every run (when he was close to the 10) he must of been close to 150 then lol.. Yeah them V8's run serious amounts through them, mind is it a hoppy kit? if it is, it would prob be half that if it was a NOS system haha..

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150hp, no where near ! It ran 150hp last year on odd occasion. This year with the changes and the new cam it's gone quicker with 100 shot. the 128mph's were at 100 shot. It will do about 126mph with 75shot which he often runs at york. He wants to try a little bigger this time, but the tune is at the limit so we'll need to make some changes before he can.

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Originally Posted by Scoff

150hp, no where near ! It ran 150hp last year on odd occasion. This year with the changes and the new cam it's gone quicker with 100 shot. the 128mph's were at 100 shot. It will do about 126mph with 75shot which he often runs at york. He wants to try a little bigger this time, but the tune is at the limit so we'll need to make some changes before he can.

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I was only assuming by what he was saying last time we was up there.. I must have about the same power then as mine with the 60 shot was running 126 traps :D So when I step it up this weekend I should hopefully see some more MPH.. just need to get of the line better, which is prob down to tyre size now.. :crap:

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

O yeah and it's your turn to get the tea's in this time mate haha ;)

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jets are out lol tea no problem pal just got 2 bottles filled so:burnrubber::burnrubber:

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Originally Posted by Hi 5

jets are out lol tea no problem pal just got 2 bottles filled so:burnrubber::burnrubber:

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What of tea, not so sure that'll give u the ten ;) haha.. Are you guys going with the esc?

wish you all good luck with this and it looks like the weather is going to be hot so hopefully we might see a couple of personal bests on the day

glen get that bloody 10 cracked mate :agree:

Scoff what's the problem with boost control? Have you downsized wastegate springs and now you can't get high boost? Do you use a solenoid to control boost I forget

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

Scoff what's the problem with boost control? Have you downsized wastegate springs and now you can't get high boost? Do you use a solenoid to control boost I forget

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Yes rob, only 10psi springs so that I might be able to control 1st gear.

Yes, MAC valve doing the control via the ECU so that I can have dynamic boost. Basically, it goes t1ts up at about 2 bar, its just too lairy. At one point 1% was making 0.5bar difference !! I nearly shut his dyno down with 2500lb/ft at the hubs when it overboosted to 3bar! The torque curve was close to verticle, it was quite something !!

So now I will return to the 1.2bar springs and I will have to try and set it on the track.

The changes we discussed Rob have helped a little, I managed another 15hp at the same boost and settings (once I'd corrected the fuel map). It responds very well to small boost increases now, which I wasn't expecting, so the turbo has a little more to give :)

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Originally Posted by Dave Reed

What of tea, not so sure that'll give u the ten ;) haha.. Are you guys going with the esc?

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no esc just coming out to play i thought coffee might do better than gas:D

Have you heard of a 4 port MAC valve?
There was a thread about it on HT not long ago, people were running very light springs yet still managing to make 40psi +, and with good control. Seems like the way to go without resorting to CO2

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

Have you heard of a 4 port MAC valve?
There was a thread about it on HT not long ago, people were running very light springs yet still managing to make 40psi +, and with good control. Seems like the way to go without resorting to CO2

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I've seen 6 port ones, essentially just 2x 3 port ones in one body. How are the 4 port configured ? I thought the 3 port should have done it. I just routed the normally closed port to the top of the wastegates and the normally open port to the bottom. There's a slight bleed in each output to allow for some flow. At 0% you get wastegate pressure and at 100% you get no pressure to the bottom but full pressure to the top, IE totally shut. That works to a point, but all the adjustment was in the 88-92% region and it was impossible to make it any less sensitive without loosing the ability to hold enough boost at the top.

Do you have a link to a post about these 4 port MACs ?

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Originally Posted by car.crash

1.Markey Mark
2.Brigsy
3.rat1
4.BabybluGTT
5.Turboted
6.Zlogg
7.Bigdur
8.Bigfoot
9.Steve
10. Dave Reed, bigger NOS jets this time :burnrubber:
11. SCHWARTZ (if the car is sorted;):D)
12. car.crash

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13. Renault 5 GT Turbo

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Originally Posted by Scoff

I've seen 6 port ones, essentially just 2x 3 port ones in one body. How are the 4 port configured ? I thought the 3 port should have done it. I just routed the normally closed port to the top of the wastegates and the normally open port to the bottom. There's a slight bleed in each output to allow for some flow. At 0% you get wastegate pressure and at 100% you get no pressure to the bottom but full pressure to the top, IE totally shut. That works to a point, but all the adjustment was in the 88-92% region and it was impossible to make it any less sensitive without loosing the ability to hold enough boost at the top.

Do you have a link to a post about these 4 port MACs ?

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Here ya go, sound quite good for $36, massive amount of adjustment boost wise

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2777293

Yeah that's the thread John :)

I was going to order one of those ports myself soon as were struggling to get much boost from the 8psi springs

[quote=Renault 5 GT Turbo;235792]13. Renault 5 GT Turbo[/quote
soapymech
girbil jerad
james the welder aka marball

Jon, rob, thanks.

I don't agree with some of their pneumatics though. That "2 port" diagram won't wont because there's no bleeds. You'd get horrible boost creep when applying low duty to the top port, because eventually the line and volume above the diaphram will equalize in pressure. There always has to be some flow in the system. I run that 2 port method but with a small bleed in each pipe after the solenoid. I think I probably just have a lot more back pressure with the little turbo compared to some of those guys who are getting 4x spring pressure.

I'd like to try one of those 4 port MACs though. Or maybe just 2x 3 ports would work better if I could map each of them seperately. It's all too much fukcing about so I'll stick to plan A !

Any news from today ?

Yes OK sort of day for most people steve. Weather was nice, too hot for racing in the morning and by the time it cooled down the que's grew to "usc" spec and there was 2hrs between runs.

Robbie turbo ted did well, 128mph and an 11.2 blowing the boost hose off in 4th so plenty of potential there still. Dave reed going ok but ran in to some problems, Glenn caught an annoying misfire and didn't have any replacement plugs to try and my diff locked itself up (or the drive flange has welded itself in to the diff again). I ran it anyway taking it easy in the morning to get some data from it and set the boost. I gave it large on a couple runs once it had cooled down, wouldn't shift in to 2nd on the first run and 2nd run shifted fine, great 60' but the o/s cv exploded as power came on in 2nd. Would have been a nice run I think. This time just shattered the 3 legged spider bit. Managed 148.7mph trap today so that made the day worthwhile and it means the car should go fine at flame and thunder at the end of the month once I've got the new shafts and hubs in.

Good to catch up with the regulars and meet some new faces.

Chris

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Originally Posted by Scoff

Yes OK sort of day for most people steve. Weather was nice, too hot for racing in the morning and by the time it cooled down the que's grew to "usc" spec and there was 2hrs between runs.

Robbie turbo ted did well, 128mph and an 11.2 blowing the boost hose off in 4th so plenty of potential there still. Dave reed going ok but ran in to some problems, Glenn caught an annoying misfire and didn't have any replacement plugs to try and my diff locked itself up (or the drive flange has welded itself in to the diff again). I ran it anyway taking it easy in the morning to get some data from it and set the boost. I gave it large on a couple runs once it had cooled down, wouldn't shift in to 2nd on the first run and 2nd run shifted fine, great 60' but the o/s cv exploded as power came on in 2nd. Would have been a nice run I think. This time just shattered the 3 legged spider bit. Managed 148.7mph trap today so that made the day worthwhile and it means the car should go fine at flame and thunder at the end of the month once I've got the new shafts and hubs in.

Good to catch up with the regulars and meet some new faces.

Chris

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Sounds like I missed a good day but I had to work in the morning in the end :(
Shame about the various problems for the regulars but hopefully you got some info from the day in some form or another to help for next time :agree:

148mph!! Nicely done :)

Bet that brought a smile to your face ;)

Looks like the id2000 live upto the hype

Rob, yeah that was nice to see, but I can't say it's because of the injectors! I've spent something like 5hrs on the dyno with those injectors now, not seen even the smallest back to back gain compared with the old deka's. It was the other recent alterations that gave it that extra bit. It had really cooled down by the time I was ready for the last run, that might have helped a bit more :crap:

Fair nuff then :)

What was the 60ft then?

Pity about the boost control, 148mph is easy 9's

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

Fair nuff then :)

What was the 60ft then?

Pity about the boost control, 148mph is easy 9's

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Boost control working well rob, I went back to the old 1.1 bar springs and just pulled some timing out of 1st gear instead. I kept the 3 port MAC setup which is working fine with the bigger springs. Just took 3 or 4 runs of logging to get it set right.

I didn't bother collecting that last ticket, just going off seat of the pants and what the other guys said. Might of been a PB, if only the shafts had turned up last week instead of mid week :(

Oh sorry, not paying attention.
So the 148 pass was the one with a slow gear change?
Then you blew the cv after that I take it

yes rob, big lag in 2nd gear because of the duff shift, 10.6 @ 148. Boost was dropping off a little at 7500rpm so I put another bit of duty in at top to flatten it out. The day cooled by the time I had sat in the que so was hoping for good things, but it wasn't to be.

Fingers crossed for good weather at flame and thunder.

Was a cracking day even though i didn't stay till the end, due to the car not making it due to turbo issue i was little disheartened to stay the full day.

Well done to Turbo Ted (Robbie) on beating his personal best and good terminal too :agree:

Cracking terminal Scoff, shame i missed seeing that.

well done scoff for breaking more shafts lol well done to turbo ted car,s getting better each time out :D

glenn just sent me these, thanks

http://www.youtube.com/user/hi5tuning#p/u/0/JeeMK_HzDzk

http://www.youtube.com/user/hi5tuning#p/u/1/OkdnnQT4Jps

another great day at Santa Pod, I wasn't feeling too good myself I have the flu and my reaction times were very bad, however the car was feeling fine!!
Managed two 11.2 runs one at 124.7 mph at 2 o clock, at very high temps, never felt it so hot at pod, not even @ RTOC frog at the pod day.
the second 11.2 run was at 8pm temperatures and track were perfect felt like a much better run, trap speed was up to 128mph even with my boost pipe popping off the throttle body flat out in 4th gear before i went under the line.
Did one more run after that at 8.55pm and snapped the drive shafts see for yourself in the links below.
had a great day with all the RTOCs that turned up.
thanks for all the positive comments from everyone and special thanks to scoff for mapping my car and getting it into the low 11's see you next at flame and thunder!:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b88OaKU4IhY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oic5GUiWsIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOq-xwDW-fw

Massive shame about the drive shaft Scoff, looked like it was going to be a storming run! I see the sparks from the grandstand when the shaft went, also noticed it jumped up on the drivers side :eek: Hopeully the new ones are going to be much better.

My first run was crap, 2.3 60' :cry: Then my next run felt like I had a missfire, so i checked to plugs etc and all seemed fine, but think it was the early signs of what was to come.. So I look some gas out and went for another run, felt nice and strong so i hit the 2nd stage of gas, got to 7k in 4th and felt it loose power :( managed an 11.3 with a 1.96 60' s0 not bad.. By the time i got back to the pits my car looked like a steam train lol.. Not sure what's happend yet, but suspect the standard head gasket has failed, finally :laugh: I'll get it apart tomorrow and check it out.

Glenn thanks for the number too, I didn't get a chance to see you before you went.

Was good to catch up with everyone too.

holy moly! you boys no how to do it big style! wish i would of come to this.

Just wanted to say,, i attended without my 5! :P ,,, and was nice to meet Scoff. Good guy :) well done on your times, also nice meeting a couple of other guys that were with you but ddnt catch their names,, other than Glen... I dno whos that sirrocco was,, but that was awesome! And the jet engined Drag car :eek:!!

Turbo ted... I was looking for you wen your car was parked up but i couldnt find you. Apparently you were stuffing your face lol. Then i thought about it,, and i think half recognised you wen i ran in the cafe but my mind was elsewhere :o

Bit quite i thought tho. I dont really go much, so maybe its js like that lol

oh and Mark,, thanks for the directions lol

slim, good to meet you mate, and the other rtocers that said hello during the day.

robbie, welcome to the "renault just won't do" club !! where did they break ? if they've broke on the groove that the CV boot sits in then this seems to be the weakest spot. Glenn did some like that, so did I, I've welded mine and his around this groove to stop that happening. The next weekest is the outer spline. I weld the outer to the inner at this point too. But I've also broke the lugs out of the CV cup and yesterday it shattered the 3 finger spider bit that houses the bearings.

I'll let you know how much work is involved fitting the 172 hubs and CV's.