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R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Well, I've finally got round to it. Lurking in my garage for the past 15 years,
almost to the day is my old R5GTT. It had served me well for several years
before I bought myself a brand new Megane Alizé in September 1998.
Of course, the intention of keeping it on the road was always there, but I got
overtaken by events, not least with my health, progress of my disability, etc.
Anyway, after a very long while of not even setting eyes on the car, simply
because the path was overgrown on the garden side and an old tree stump
blocking the outside garage entrance, I finally regained access.
What I found was relatively surprising! The car was in far better shape than I
had imagined it might be. The restoration will be done by the guy who looked
after this car for me when it was on the road. He came round to give the car
a quick survey today and he even got the engine turning over.
The oil was still remarkably clean and the coolant was still bright green! It
seems that I've been hugely lucky that the car hasn't just disintegrated. I
guess that was partly because it was well looked after when it was road
worthy. It looks like that's paid-off handsomely for me!
Now that the thread has grown to such a size, you might prefer to watch
these compilation videos of the restoration progress. They should look quite
good full-screen..
This is part #1. So pour yourself a suitable libation and enjoy...
http://youtu.be/CgcfNB-OVHs
This is part 2 which takes us up to 20 January 2014
R5GTT Restoration Part 2
...and this is part 3 which brings us to 24 April 2014
R5GTT Restoration Part 3
... Part 4 sees the engine started for the first time, the revamp of the car's home
and its triumphant return complete with brand new MOT :niceone:
R5GTT Restoration Part 4
Part 5 sees the car get a basic detail, visit Snetterton Racecourse and get taken
back into the workshop to get its glass and body-trims removed...
R5GTT Restoration Part 5
Otherwise, I'll let the photos take up the story...
http://s5.postimg.cc/lvz5vtwzb/r5gt1301.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/n61komg53/r5gt1302.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/z6n0pcnjr/r5gt1303.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/9y26voilz/r5gt1304.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/yjo3ztqnr/r5gt1305.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/g09tm671z/r5gt1306.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bn6oq08xj/r5gt1307.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nqc0dkjzr/r5gt1308.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wwywelelz/r5gt1309.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vfdg319vb/r5gt1310.jpg
So, that's the body not looking in too bad shape. The main worry was the
scuttle below the windscreen, but that only seems to be showing light
surface rust. We'll be taking the screen out to have a better look in due
course, but there's no cause for concern :thumb:
The wheels will want a refurb...
http://s5.postimg.cc/tz1xkw6yf/r5gt1311.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pwfhzk27r/r5gt1312.jpg
The biggest surprise was under the bonnet! That completely belies 15years
of neglect. I suppose that betrays me as a long-term detailer :)
http://s5.postimg.cc/cobisvfav/r5gt1313.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/60ex69vsn/r5gt1314.jpg
I could not believe how clean the battery terminals were! I was expecting
them to be furred-up completely...
http://s5.postimg.cc/thbdis6rb/r5gt1315.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/i7innu1pz/r5gt1317.jpg
Something decided to nest in the sound dampening pad below the bonnet,
though not much damage caused...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5jyaxkxfb/r5gt1318.jpg
Here's the scuttle close-up! That's probably the most expensive bit to get
repaired if the tin-worm gets its way - phew!!
http://s5.postimg.cc/g5i69l3qv/r5gt1319.jpg
It looks like a cat has been after the nest-building mice...
http://s5.postimg.cc/dx8l5zm0n/r5gt1320.jpg
So, now to the clean-up. The following photos are showing nothing more than
a very quick clean, using ONR from the QD bottle, some Serious Performance
cleaning QD and a half-bucket of water with 2 capfuls of CG Hose-Free Eco
in it. A noodle mitt and a small selection of MF cloths for wiping and drying.
http://s5.postimg.cc/ckmaqcz7b/r5gt1321.jpg
The door window cleaned for a first glimpse of the interior in I don't know
how long...
http://s5.postimg.cc/8hv9ra52v/r5gt1322.jpg
Then 4 views of the interior. Not bad, bar the few cobwebs :thumb:
http://s5.postimg.cc/yav4nn393/r5gt1323.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/64dc09qnr/r5gt1316.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3og405xyv/r5gt1324.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/me83gwqpj/r5gt1325.jpg
Now 3 views of the passenger side door-shut. Some minor tin-worm evidence!
http://s5.postimg.cc/hbm68ds1j/r5gt1326.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d55x6shtj/r5gt1327.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/h6n0cga47/r5gt1328.jpg
The bit that I'm still very cross about. I parked the car in a council car park
and when I reversed out caught part of the footing of an ancient ice-cream
stall. WDC denied all knowledge!:wall:
http://s5.postimg.cc/43rdt6jw7/r5gt1329.jpg
So, I've got the door clean...
http://s5.postimg.cc/yazq1dsmv/r5gt1331.jpg
Now the front wing. Thats just an ONR / HFE combination clean - honest!
http://s5.postimg.cc/fu5bakcon/r5gt1330.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/f8gceghmf/r5gt1332.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/c0bv1evcn/r5gt1333.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/h1nugis6v/r5gt1334.jpg
A cheeky 50/50 :lol:
http://s5.postimg.cc/achb0i6uv/r5gt1335.jpg
...and now the bits I was really dreading. Of course, the exhaust system is
going to need replacing, but otherwise, things under there don't look too bad.
Nothing was falling off when the door got closed. The floorpan is remarkably
solid, so it's not going to be an horrendously expensive restoration.
http://s5.postimg.cc/adr8tx8on/r5gt1336.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/prkxhd9o7/r5gt1337.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6jxskrrcn/r5gt1338.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/k24ox23hz/r5gt1339.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lemdyy0xj/r5gt1340.jpg
I'll be updating this thread over the coming weeks. The next stage is to put
in a new battery, plugs, some new petrol etc., and get the engine started.
It'll then be moved to a new location for work to begin.
If anyone can help, I'm looking for a genuine front air-dam to replace the
broken one and a driver's side door...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
jammy git! i can hadly get away with a car layin up 1 year! this will be another one to watch! :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Excellent thread. So original.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That's pretty cool seeing the car as it was after being stood after 15 years as you say doesn't look bad at all the underside looks very good especially. love the 50/50 shots where you have cleaned parts of the bodywork..Nice to see the engine bay looking tidy and original and complete.will check out your progress nice to see another original GT uncovered and brought back to life :) cheeky little red pin stripes as well ;) best of luck looks a nice project especially as you owned the car beforehand sure that will be very rewarding for you when she's all done and you are boosting along on a summers evening....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Flight666
That's pretty cool seeing the car as it was after being stood after 15 years as you say doesn't look bad at all the underside looks very good especially. love the 50/50 shots where you have cleaned parts of the bodywork..Nice to see the engine bay looking tidy and original and complete.will check out your progress nice to see another original GT uncovered and brought back to life :) cheeky little red pin stripes as well ;) best of luck looks a nice project especially as you owned the car beforehand sure that will be very rewarding for you when she's all done and you are boosting along on a summers evening....
totally agree with nic.... love the stereo tooo...:cool:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jesus in the seat of a 5
...love the stereo tooo...:cool:
It's a pure 1980's Philips tape deck and I still have the tape box that jams twixt the
front seats, with its fold-down flap...
http://s5.postimg.cc/64dc09qnr/r5gt1316.jpg
You might guess I have a Bose sound system in the 205GTT Coupe :yeah:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
How jealous am I!!!! It really wouldn't take much to make this such a lovely crispy oe minter! I hope it gives you as much joy as it did the first time round!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I dream of finding something like this one day and getting hold of it ...
Yours has aged remarkably well :smokin:
Look forward to seeing it live again, whats it's mileage?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Love this thread.:agree:.Looking forward to keeping an eye on this project.:agree:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
45_CB
Look forward to seeing it live again, whats it's mileage?
69K in 8 years. I only took it off the road because I fancied the Megane
and its much smoother ride. Being disabled, the R5 was jarring on longer
runs. I do feel very lucky though; None of the rubber pipes look to have
perished, though that might become a different story once the engine
starts and things warm up again.
I'll be replacing the braking system. New lines, disks and pads, etc. I've
been looking at various options, as I guess the Renault originals are long
gone, or hugely expensive. The EBC brakes with greenstuff pads work out
at about £166 with the RTOC discount. As the car won't be tracked, are
the GS pads overkill? Should I go for Brembo's instead or are they overkill + ?:scratch:
I'm guessing that I'm gonna have loads of questions like this. Has anyone
else done a similar resto? If so, do please point me toward your thread.
Cheers :study:
Regards,
Steve
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New poster! (less than 10 posts)
Excellent project. Looking forward to seeing this progress :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve - I popped some EBC yellows up front and Exeleiums at the rear and both grip well. If you're not tracking her I'd go with the exceliums all round, cheap and effective stopping (too effective in my case :sad2:)
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Hi Andy,
Cheers for your reply. :agree:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT ANDY
Steve - I popped some EBC yellows up front and Exeleiums at the rear and both grip well. If you're not tracking her I'd go with the exceliums all round, cheap and effective stopping (too effective in my case :sad2:)
Do you have a link?
Someone on the Detailing World Forum suggested that I get _all_ my spares from Mike
at GTTS, including the brake parts. Sounds like a simple solution. It would certainly save
me hours and hours of chasing my tail on t'interweb...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good to see you and the project on here Steve :yeah:
I can't wait to see how it unfolds.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
scratcher
Good to see you and the project on here Steve :yeah:
I can't wait to see how it unfolds.
Well, it's gonna be expensive! :eek:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Watching this closely. Great project,
Link to my thread here if its any help
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthrea...ghlight=Johnny
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great thread Steve, looks in good shape after a 15 year rest! :)
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Parts Gathering...
Hello Folks,
As November 1st approaches, the day the car gets moved, I'm quite quickly
building quite a cache of parts. So, my first haul was a carb kit and a couple
of OEM oil filters...
http://s5.postimg.cc/t5tgmn9dj/gttspares01.jpg
The next challenge was an exhaust system at a reasonable price. For a mild
steel OEM I was quoted £450 :dearme: - so I set to and scoured t'interweb
to find this in stainless steel for just £175 delivered...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5u5cxjv3r/gttspares02.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/orkzasyt3/gttspares03.jpg
Yeah, you _can_ laugh! 3.5" bore, while not OEM it _was_ all the rage in the
early 1990s - that's my excuse anyway!
Then it was a trip to an Alladin's Cave down south to purchase lots of little
niggly bits, various cables, OEM fuel filter, dizzy cap, rotor arm etc. The
braided cables were a group buy on RTOC for £35 delivered.
http://s5.postimg.cc/6yzf2xhkn/gttspares04.jpg
What's not pictured is the replacement front bumper, in tungsten, and a
complete set of brake disks with new rear bearings. That lot came to £370.
The remaining brake parts will be ordered once we remove what's presently
there.
As the suspension is being fiddled with, I've decided to replace the shocks.
No point in doing a similar job in two parts if the existing bits decide to fail.
Finding front shock absorbers at an affordable price was quite a task. Found
these for £52 delivered...
http://s5.postimg.cc/iclye4s3b/gttspares05.jpg
There will be another instalment later in the week. I've now assembled most
of the replacement bits that are needed. Including the bits ordered today,
the parts bill so far comes to over £870 :doublesho
A bit more to add to the haul...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4bek6bdx3/gttspares06.jpg
took that picture and remembered that I should have added the wipers. I
got some proper retro ones, as I'm not counting on using them too often...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3vyozk2lz/gttspares07.jpg
With the cost of the battery, I've now got no more than a few pence change
out of a grand :doublesho With luck, the car should be getting moved this
time next week. I can't wait!
Even though I've spent so much so far, I've got some bargains. I have some
Bougicord HT leads coming from France, £18 instead of £87! I can barely
believe I paid the same price for the front suspension bearings as I did on the
surplus stock front shock absorbers - all de Carbon products.
The other savings have been in sourcing a front bumper. I remember my local
Renault dealer quoting me the best part of £400 +vat, unpainted. The 2nd
hand one, painted in tungy grey, cost me £150 :thumb:
Regards,
Steve
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Wagons Roll...
Hello Folks,
So, for the first time in 15 years, the car has moved. Most pleasing of all was
to see all 4 wheels turning within inches of its first movement by the winch.
So, at least the handbrake hasn't siezed.
http://s5.postimg.cc/ynvplb0af/r5gt1341.jpg
How about this for security? That stump came from a huge eucalyptus tree
that got brought down in the 2001 storm and was pulled out of the ground
earlier this year...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4kh6tcx13/r5gt1342.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vwcfup1rr/r5gt1343.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/uwqqcqbzr/r5gt1344.jpg
The pattern of rust left off the exhaust...
http://s5.postimg.cc/lhauzityv/r5gt1345.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ns8x3p4qf/r5gt1346.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/grkxax2yf/r5gt1347.jpg
Once cleaned, this car looks like it'll come up a treat. This photo is almost a
bit of a cheat...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5ujlm5g6v/r5gt1348.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/tx0fh0wtz/r5gt1349.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3tt21bk1j/r5gt1350.jpg
With the front tyres almost flat, the front bumper took a bit of a beating.
Luckily, there's a new one to fit in its place. Indeed, most of the parts are
now to hand, other than fiddly bits for the brake calipers.
http://s5.postimg.cc/knyrdthdj/r5gt1351.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/p60jz03zr/r5gt1352.jpg
As you can probably imagine, the excitement is growing! :buffer:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
This is such a good post. Well done mate.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
that has aged very looks solid underneath to :agree:
look forward to the progress :cool:
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Hi Folks,
Here's an image of my expenses so far. Have tried exporting this
to a .csv file but it still looks untidy :(
http://s5.postimg.cc/3jx2lv9dj/r5gt1353.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Before the front bumpers became obsolete they were around £120 from Renault. If costs like £400 were out there for 1 body part then there must of been a fair few gt turbo's scrapped/not worth the repair after having an prang.
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Epic thread love it , good work all round
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Great thread mate, nice stash of all the essential replacement parts for the project jigsaw. Car originally from Norwich with 'PW' on the reg :) :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
A great read. Keep this thread flowing! :)
Judging by some of your posts, it looks like you're doing the same thread on another forum?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Trev,
Thanks for your kind words.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
Judging by some of your posts, it looks like you're doing the same thread on another forum?
I've been a member on the other forum a long time and spend much more
time there than I do here. Is there a problem with that?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Got to love the 80's design on the tape slot flap. :laugh:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
I've been a member on the other forum a long time and spend much more
time there than I do here. Is there a problem with that?
Not at all! I was just curious to know which one it was. :) Always good to see RTOC being mentioned in other places. :agree:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Goobie
Got to love the 80's design on the tape slot flap. :laugh:
Reminds me of Mastertronic from the 80's :D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...stertronic.jpg
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
Not at all! I was just curious to know which one it was. :) Always good to see RTOC being mentioned in other places. :agree:
Second line of the first post, massive give away :laugh:
Nice to see another 'local' car pop up, good luck with the restoration :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good to see it coming on Pete! :agree:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT Tricky Nicky
Second line of the first post, massive give away :laugh:
Grace without truth is foolishness, truth without grace is cruelty. Thanks :laugh:
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great project and an awesome base to work from, will watch with interest :)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gttnutter
Before the front bumpers became obsolete they were around £120 from Renault.
Wow, if I had been quoted that price, I'd have got it replaced. That of course was
their unpainted price; t'was the prep and painting that hit hardest. I think plastic
primers have probably come a long way since.
Mind you, the £400 quoted was cheap compared to £78 for a couple
of 4Control badges that go on the Laguna Coupé.
http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...69_6.jpg?v=920
If anyone knows of a cheaper source, do please let me know. Apparently,
my GT missed the application of these badges by just a few weeks :(
Regards,
Steve
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Hello Folks,
The car hoisted in its temporary new home...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cb8otvi2f/r5gt1354.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/59ar7oegn/r5gt1355.jpg
Under driver's side rear arch. Any patches that look like oil leaks are just
where some WD40 has been sprayed. I cannot believe how good and solid
the fuel tank is.
http://s5.postimg.cc/5uzq3s9iv/r5gt1356.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3k1nzlyrb/r5gt1357.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4wernr6t3/r5gt1364.jpg
It's still a bit of a job for me to get photos of the underside, but the
omens look good...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ylwjtufcn/r5gt1363.jpg
Under front wheel arch...
http://s5.postimg.cc/lryi0i1x3/r5gt1358.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/dimmm386v/r5gt1359.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/f7r4geyif/r5gt1360.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/j9csztg6v/r5gt1362.jpg
I think that the rather rusty pulley wheel will need a visit to the powder
coaters too.
I can't wait to see this all cleaned up and painted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/fbpjaetdj/r5gt1361.jpg
The carburettor has been removed and dunked into a soak bath to help it
release. The coolant pipes to and from the carb are also in soak as they're
blocked by dried-up coolant.
Regards,
Steve
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Good work mate, paint work looks in great order after a wash! gtt's have plastic fuel tanks ;) :agree:
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Good project!
Im also restoring a G reg tungy on a budget thats been sitting a while.Check out my project.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Lurking in my garage for the past 15 years,
almost to the day is my old R5GTT.
Good luck man :)
If I can restore this
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/21t.jpg
You can restore your five LOL
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Wow, how have I missed this thread? This is fantastic! :popcorn:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great thread love it ,makes me want to restore another one
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Hello Folks,
I went round to see Karl today, mostly to pay him some money for the work
he's done so far. We also discussed strategies for how the ongoing work
would be done. Earlier in the week, he'd taken the tyres off and brought the
bare wheels round for me to do some cleaning.
The upshot of that is that 2 wheels definitely need a refurb, so all 4 are going
off to AeroCoat, early next week. I've also placed an order for 4 ZIEX Falken
tyres. Unbeknown to me, Karl had made some further progress. The tell-tale
sign being this...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ez8phu4on/r5gt1373.jpg
Oh, what joy! For weeks, ever since that new exhaust arrived, I've wondered
what that tailpipe would look like in its bumper slot. I was a bit concerned
that it might be overkill, a tad "penile-extension" - thankfully not! To my
mind that looks the part. The remaining bits are not yet attached, hence it
being a tad off-centre.
Then came the bigger surprise. Being a man of few words, all I got from Karl
was: "You might like to look round here..."
...where I found this
http://s5.postimg.cc/69bmgzn7b/r5gt1365.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4vjzlonxz/r5gt1366.jpg
...and this
http://s5.postimg.cc/dt045ar07/r5gt1367.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/j5tjx64af/r5gt1369.jpg
The almost total absence of rust is just astonishing! One of the guys round
there said that if it had been a Ford Escort of that vintage, it would have
needed fully stripping back to bare metal, and he spoke from experience.
If anyone reading this has doubts about French cars...
A few more pictures...
http://s5.postimg.cc/gfk7zz7lj/r5gt1368.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5iiwb7ktz/r5gt1370.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/87iaezfp3/r5gt1371.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6jj50c1tj/r5gt1372.jpg
Old versus new flexible brake pipes...
http://s5.postimg.cc/fwajcyqt3/r5gt1374.jpg
I'm just thrilled to bits. There's no question that Karl is putting a lot his own
personality into his work. I feel very privileged to have access to his craft :niceone:
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Exhaust looks fantastic. Hope it sounds as well as it looks :agree:
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It was a pleasure to meet you tonight lowie Pete Steve!
Thanks for the lift home.
If you have any question or need a hand with your build, feel free to drop me a pm and I'll try my best to help out :)
Nick
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Hi Nick,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT Tricky Nicky
It was a pleasure to meet you tonight lowie Pete Steve!
Thanks for the lift home.
If you have any question or need a hand with your build, feel free to drop me a pm and I'll try my best to help out :)
T'was good to meet you too:agree:
Once I get the wee beastie back home, there'll no doubt be the occasional question.
I enjoyed meeting the EA crowd too - it's been a long while since I curried the innards :D
Regards,
Steve
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Wow wow ,great work again , where did yoy get rear shocks from ?? Thanks matt
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
gtmatt
Wow wow ,great work again , where did yoy get rear shocks from ?? Thanks matt
From this Mr-Auto site - great service and reasonable prices.
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Falken ZIEX or Yokohama?
Hello Folks,
The speedlines are going in for refurb at Aerocoat this week. So, there's
a decision to be made over new tyres. I have quotes for Falkens @ £200
for 4 or Yokohamas for £268. I presently have Falkens on the Laguna
Coupé and they're much better than the Bridgestone Potenzas that they
replaced.
The 5GTT will be driven to shows and stuff, so I'm thinking Falkens. It
had Yokos on there until now, but my vague recollection was that they
were possibly not as good as the hype suggested.
Has anyone here some experience of Falkens on their R5?
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
What size are you gong for? 185/60/13? If you go for the original size 195/55/13 your probably limited to uniroyal.
I would pick yokohama over falken. What about toyo r888?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brigsy
I would pick yokohama over falken.
I'm looking for reasons to choose one over the other. I'm quite taken by the Falkens
on my coupé...
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Firstly, can I just thank everyone for their very supportive messages here
so far. I've now settled upon the Falken tyres.
The Speedline wheels went off for refurb at Aerocoat today. The original satin
finish on the silver will make way for "titanium chrome" - more of a really bright
silver. Hopefully, they'll be back by the end of the week...
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
:agree: So what size are they?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
:agree: So what size are they?
185/60/13 80H
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
A little ahead of schedule, this part was meant to happen when I got the car
back into my garage, it has been off with the tyres and down to getting the
wheels treated. Then came the agonising decision, if they needed to go to the
powder coater's what colour should I choose? However, I'm ahead of myself.
Karl brought the wheels round along with the centre caps. Here's one getting
a test bath of BH Autowheel...
http://s5.postimg.cc/gmimyfzg7/r5gt1375.jpg
When it came to examining the wheels themselves, it came to the need for 2
of then to go for refurb. So, who gets just two wheels done? The next pics
show two of the better wheels.
http://s5.postimg.cc/3jrlswylz/r5gt1376.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ppbpj7ol3/r5gt1377.jpg
Certainly some crud to remove from inside! One thing about my coating colour
decision was that there was no way I was going to repeat the OEM semi-matt
finish.
A little diversion while the wheels were away. Just a few more parts gathered
together...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3ovd2l5x3/r5gt1378.jpg
Having discussed this with Karl, in the absence of getting Red Stuff pads for
both front and back because they're unavailable, we've plumped for some
Green Stuff pads for the front, and standard pads for the rear. At least there
should be a lot less dust on the front wheels :niceone:
Especially as they now look like this...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mddepwwtz/r5gt1379.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/jxblc2erb/r5gt1380.jpg
They appear to be very difficult to photograph indoors with the flash, even
though I had another go...
http://s5.postimg.cc/uy6qh3707/r5gt1381.jpg
The finish, called Titatium Chrome, is just superb and out in the sunlight they
have just enough bling, without being overpowering. The guys at Aerocoat
in St Olaves have done me proud :niceone:
The next stage is get them coated with the ADS ArtDeWheel that came in my
Octagon Formula box. I'll be posting pictures up in due course.
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looking great Steve with seasonal greetings. Aero-coat do a mint job, they are the one's down near the Haddiscoe bends right?
you won't be dissapointed with the EBC's fella, they have given me a much improved braking performance over standard. Even on track with yellow up front and ultimax on the rear, they never faded and kept on biting. Why Red?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Andy,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT ANDY
Aero-coat do a mint job, they are the one's down near the Haddiscoe bends right?
Yeah, just before the bridge on the left as you head toward Great Yarmouth. They did
the Shadow Chrome on the Coupé GT wheels and I get nothing but complimentary
remarks about how well they suit the car :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/4tb4vtut3/r1334coupe.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT ANDY
you won't be dissapointed with the EBC's fella, they have given me a much improved braking performance over standard. Even on track with yellow up front and ultimax on the rear, they never faded and kept on biting. Why Red?
I have Red Stuff on the Laguna Coupé, which are excellent. I changed mainly to reduce
the OE pad dusting. It was horrendous! The R5 might visit a track or two, but I have little
intention of doing any circuits at speed. My disability would probably preclude me anyway :(
These Speedlines are notoriously difficult to photograph, but here's another go...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wkvy2bj1z/r5gt1382.jpg
and again...
http://s5.postimg.cc/o1ck4kapj/r5gt1383.jpg
I did have another two or three goes with the caps, but I've given up. Hopefully,
they'll look good once they're back on the car. Wheels now put away...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6msbwadkn/r5gt1384.jpg
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Wheels look great. :agree:
Greenstuff - wait! Haven't EBC Greenstuff been given the absolute thumbs down over many years on RTOC?? Isn't DS2500's the tried and trusted upgrade on standard discs!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
Greenstuff - wait! Haven't EBC Greenstuff been given the absolute thumbs down over many years on RTOC??
Oh, I think they have outlasted that debacle! The EBC pads on the Laguna are A1 :niceone:
I've discussed this topic with Karl who is doing the resto work and he's fine with them.
I don't think that I'll be putting them through the same stresses that pads encounter
on track days anyway...
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
Wheels look great. :agree:
Greenstuff - wait! Haven't EBC Greenstuff been given the absolute thumbs down over many years on RTOC?? Isn't DS2500's the tried and trusted upgrade on standard discs!
Trev - I did this whole DS2500 / EBC thing about a year back. I went on the EBC website and had a good look around. It seems that they have changed there compounds / materials since anyone on here last used them. I have absolutely nothing but praise for them. for fast road and track days they haver never let me down or faded. I might not be using them as intensely as a hardened track beast, but imo - they are the tits. I can't compare them against the DS2500's as I've never used those pads.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good work Steve, coming on nicely - standard speedlines looking very minty fresh! more goodies for the resto too, bought a full set of EBC Green Stuff pads around 2006 I think, had the rears on for a few years and the front set are still in the box! :ashamed:
Seasons Greetings
Karlos :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I bought Red Stuff for a 5GTT (to go on the Fuego) in July for the National Day so they are still available I believe.
I hammered the living crap out of them and they held up well, I must say....enough to make me go for reds in the 172 and yellows in the 4-pots for the 21 (which is going to be >400hp).
However....they dont last long if you drive like I do. Greens in general are worn out for me in 2500-3000 miles, Reds seem to fair better and don't need changing yet after 2000 miles and a 20min session at Mallory.
Greens do NOT like track abuse. I put a new set on (172) for 2012 ND, bedded them in on the way there and then the next 500 miles after ND the brakes were not good and I binned them at 50% wear. Changed up for reds.
Summary:
Greens: Normal to medium fast road, good at all temps.
Reds: Fast road to Track for lighter cars, Not great until warm, but not dangerous when cold.
Yellows: Hard track, Heavy cars on track, good performance pad but be aware when they are cold because they're rubbish. Coming off the motorway after a blat, on to the slip road be ready to brake EARLY.
Blues: Not used.
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More Cleaning, Starting With the Seats...
Hello Folks,
When I first had this car on the road, it could have been called "Nell's Taxi",
and she travelled on the back seat. Oh, and she didn't appreciate having to
share it with a back seat passenger, oh no!
Anyway, Karl brought the seats round yesterday and seeing them out of the
car showed that they were going to take a little more than a wipe-down with
a damp cloth. With all the dog hair, it presented quite a cleaning challenge.
Having managed to gather a few worthwhile Nectar points over the past 8 to
10 years, I did some research, looking for a cheap steam cleaner.
I ended up buying a 1,300 watt Bush appliance, complete with all the tools,
for just £2.50 in cash - still a bargain at its 25 quid asking price. I had a look
for a review of cheap steam cleaners on here, but couldn't find one. I guess
that's my cue to write one about this little machine.
So, to the task in hand - here's some pictures to show how much of a
challenge this was going to be. No light task!
http://s5.postimg.cc/sv1tpwugn/r5gtt14001.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cdo0qi8tz/r5gtt14002.jpg
Some "during" pictures...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ks3nel9vb/r5gtt14003.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6kdypxx6f/r5gtt14004.jpg
These pictures show just how quickly the steam cleaner was working. Hardly
more than two quick strokes, working north to south. The steamer leaves
the surface rather wet, so I went straight in with a microfibre cloth, though
this wasn't hard work!
http://s5.postimg.cc/cvj66cyev/r5gtt14005.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3l722tnp3/r5gtt14006.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ukawxza5z/r5gtt14007.jpg
The bonnet on the steamer head was certainly picking up the grime!
http://s5.postimg.cc/6e09muo1j/r5gtt14008.jpg
One of the worst areas was those that are normally hidden from view...
http://s5.postimg.cc/udx7uw113/r5gtt14009.jpg
dealt with...
http://s5.postimg.cc/yuu67b4mv/r5gtt14010.jpg
The flash on the camera is highlighting even the smallest flaw. The seats
were being photographed between cleaning bouts, where the fabric hasn't
fully dried. This next photo shows the bits that were difficult to reach with
the steam pad...
http://s5.postimg.cc/egyfy68mv/r5gtt14011.jpg
Moving on to the smaller part of the split-seat. No less minging, with a lot
more fungal evidence. It looks like my choice of using steam is the right one.
The steamer has about a teaspoonful of ONR mixed with its water, so that
has limited the possibility of a dank smell filling my kitchen...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ua7zsdkxj/r5gtt14012.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/8ip81of1z/r5gtt14013.jpg
Now to the cleaning...
http://s5.postimg.cc/c8ouukqwn/r5gtt14014.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/e9fefen1z/r5gtt14016.jpg
...and cleaned
http://s5.postimg.cc/p9574r2uv/r5gtt14017.jpg
Another hidden edge...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6ab1kc7xz/r5gtt14018.jpg
...and cleaned
http://s5.postimg.cc/4nltz3vw7/r5gtt14019.jpg
Now the seat back, with its built-in 60/40 split, quite a job to manipulate.
http://s5.postimg.cc/f41y1fuwn/r5gtt14020.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/tr2wj3tiv/r5gtt14021.jpg
...and cleaned
http://s5.postimg.cc/ufbr21s8n/r5gtt14022.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/hrvzpjdbr/r5gtt14023.jpg
Well, that was a very productive hour! I had to refill the steam jug just once
and I'm very happy with the results. The seats have since fully dried and
they look really tidy. I'll be giving them a good hoovering to remove all traces
of fine dog hair before they go back into the car.
http://s5.postimg.cc/p07metq2f/r5gtt14024.jpg
The tiny circles are flash reflections from the wheels... grrrrr!
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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...and now the Front Seats
While I'm happy with the way that the back seats have cleaned up, it'll be
the front ones that will throw up the biggest challenge, especially the driver's
seat! However, let's start with the passenger seat. At first sight, it doesn't
seem too bad...
http://s5.postimg.cc/g7qnr54xj/r5gtt14025.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/h3rqkc3zr/r5gtt14028.jpg
OK, so the back seems fairly clean, but the squab is going to need some
attention.
http://s5.postimg.cc/5wiwc82lz/r5gtt14026.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pi2ruofnb/r5gtt14027.jpg
So, the cleaning begins. This picture shows one of the drawbacks of the
steamer. To get into those vertical crannies, it's going to be necessary to
turn the seat on its side. Giving a good blast of steam is going to help deal
with any nasties in the crevices.
http://s5.postimg.cc/ywdas7l87/r5gtt14029.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ybtobs2lz/r5gtt14030.jpg
Seat completed. The steamer doesn't leave an even pattern of dampness
across the surface, so drying isn't even either. I was quite surprised at how
much dirt the separate microfibre towel was collecting as I tried absorbing as
much of the liquid as I could.
http://s5.postimg.cc/v7nlsqb7b/r5gtt14031.jpg
So, now we come to the driver's seat. When I first used the car, I found that
the seat wasn't properly supporting my legs below the lower thigh. I took the
car to a local upholsterers who specialised in boat outfitting. He was able to
pad out the front of the seat squab by about an inch without having to tear
or damage the fabric.
With my massive frame getting into and out of the car, the wings of the seat
squabs took a fair of stick and the "tide mark" of shininess gives this away.
I reckon that I'll be pleased if I can reduce this, I doubt very much if I'll get
rid of it altogether...
http://s5.postimg.cc/jjtjy6m2f/r5gtt14032.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wqizxphrr/r5gtt14033.jpg
Compared to the passenger seat, this one is not in good condition, so it looks
like it will be quite a challenge!
http://s5.postimg.cc/nlan3ued3/r5gtt14034.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qup2ab2gn/r5gtt14035.jpg
So, down to the clean. The steamer made short work of most of the base
areas. The raised area at the front had some shiny areas, where I have used
my hands to support myself getting in and out.
http://s5.postimg.cc/ju12hj0on/r5gtt14036.jpg
All clean, as this close-up shows...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cja5j59o7/r5gtt14037.jpg
The completed seat...
http://s5.postimg.cc/akyw7ersn/r5gtt14038.jpg
Now, more close-ups of the seat wings.
Before...
http://s5.postimg.cc/j5wtcbrcn/r5gtt14039.jpg
After...
http://s5.postimg.cc/z99ac4svr/r5gtt14040.jpg
There is still the vestige of a tide-mark. However, I'm delighted with this
cleaning result..!
http://s5.postimg.cc/64b4mh2yf/r5gtt14041.jpg
The seat squab on completion...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9mn4iv3uf/r5gtt14042.jpg
So, that's my first outing with a steam cleaner. I was quietly dreading the
prospect of dealing with whatever might be lurking in that fabric. However,
around 3 hours of work in total has produced results that really delight me!
One thing I don't regret is that I added half a capful of ONR to the 350 ml of
water the steamer took. I would not normally advocate doing this, in fact I
was reticent, but I didn't want my home smelling like a musty chinese laundry.
The seats, and indoors, now have that pleasant odour that comes from ONR
Wash and Shine :thumb:
I'm so pleased with the way the seats have come up, I've asked Karl to take
out the carpet, so I can give it a once-over with my floor-cleaning steamer.
Once that happens, I'll go round and take some photos of the car's floor. That
should be very revealing!
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Now Some Protection for the Wheels
Hello Folks,
Now that the wheels have been beautifully refurbished, I'm intent on keeping
them looking nice. So, the first coat of protection is ADS ArtDeWheel and it
needs a bit of preparation, not just for the surface, but for the operator too!
There are two vital pieces of kit to don before you open the bottle. Oh, and
it's _not_ a good idea to sniff it to check for perfume! Some protective gloves
and a face mask are basic PPE requirements. This is especially important if,
like me, you're working indoors.
Working with these things makes this not the most pleasant of tasks. What
makes it even more difficult is that you can barely see the coating on the
already very reflective silver. However, I'm ahead of myself, as usual.
The most vital aspect is that the surface is spotlessly clean! So, a proper
wipe over with the ArtDeParadise panel wipe ensured this. In common with
all the ADS products, less is definitely more, so while it took several drops
to prime the pad for the first wheel, it took no more than 6 to 8 drops more
when replenishing.
http://s5.postimg.cc/aqbu8kdvb/r5gtt14043.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/uie07upfb/r5gtt14044.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/r020bgojb/r5gtt14045.jpg
Out of the 20ml bottle, I ended up using just half. Yes, all four wheels coated
inside and out by just 10ml of product! Again, just as with the other coatings,
you can get in there almost straight away with the buffing cloth. The sudden
feeling of slickness is noticable.
Once you have finished, and put your disposable gloves and mask in the bin,
make a point to _go and wash your hands_!
As I write this, in another room, the wheels are drying. This will need a couple
of hours minimum. I'll probably follow this coating up with some ADS Obsidian
wax, as a belt and braces approach to the protection. That will be the
sacrificial layer.
The seats have now dried and it's probable that I'll have a second go with
the steamer on the 40% size seat squab. Otherwise, I'm thrilled with the way
that they have cleaned up :thumb:
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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It's Back to the Seats...
...and Enter the Sonic Brush!
Although the steamer has done some excellent cleaning work, it looks like my
gammy hands have let me down a bit. This was particularly noticeable on the
squab of the smaller rear seat, as seen in these two pictures...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6vhmxh9h3/r5gtt14046.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/b5wat2ek7/r5gtt14047.jpg
A friend of mine came round today to look at the progress, and I was able to
tap into his better knowledge of modern cleaning methods for cloth and
alcantra seats. Professionally, he'd be using G101, but in the absence of that
we tried some Flash All Purpose Cleaner, diluted at about 20:1 from a spray
bottle.
Initially, we just sprayed a little on and gave it a good scrub with a high
denier weave microfibre cloth. His biggest tip was to use short strokes in
just one direction, with a slight hand rotation, so that he used as many
clean fibres as he could. Sadly, his application force was one that I don't
have the strength to replicate :(
So, To A New Tool
Last weekend, Aldi offered a sonic brush set for a tenner, and I saw this as
an ideal tool for cleaning things like the outside of the carburettor and other
aluminium based parts. However, the biggest of the three brushes looked like
they might suit the purpose, showed it to my mate and got a nod of approval!
So, I got the seat squab in position, gave a small section a few sprays of
APC and set to with the brush. Like the cloth, straight strokes in just one
direction was doing the business. A quick follow-up with the MF cloth and
it was amazing just how much dirt had been left!
Here's a quick 50/50, though we need to see the seat dry before pronouncing
on how clean it actually is. The dirt on the cloth was giving good indicators
of dirt removal...
http://s5.postimg.cc/tvoa9t7av/r5gtt14048.jpg
...and here's the completed seat sqab
http://s5.postimg.cc/ee0s640tz/r5gtt14049.jpg
Before concluding that the steamer might not have worked as well as hoped,
we need to remember how these seats started out. Here's a quick reminder...
http://s5.postimg.cc/8ip81of1z/r5gtt14013.jpg
What pleases me about the steamer is that the heat will have killed off the
fungal spores without them being distributed far and wide. All this second
clean is really doing is helping to compensate for my lack of scrubbing ability.
Either way, the seats will come up like new by the time I've finished!
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Wheel Caps Get Some Attention
Hello Folks,
Having seen these graphics, it set an idea in motion. I was not having the
wheels refurbed in the boring original satin finish, so how about a bit of
a 21stC touch? Having secured some correctly coloured graphics, it's time to
apply them. Obviously, I wanted them all to match, so a bit of preparation
work was needed. Here's the start...
http://s5.postimg.cc/tj6jehkqf/r5gtt14050.jpg
What I've done is to draw the cap outline onto two pieces of coloured paper.
The second is a spare, just in case. Fold the circle into half and ensure you
have a very sharp folded edge. This helps when you come to fold it in half
once more.
http://s5.postimg.cc/3l7im74mv/r5gtt14051.jpg
Draw a line along the entire way along one fold. Note that this is absent in
this photo! Cut out a quadrant and test out the position on the disc. Remove
and set aside.
Next comes the preparation of the decals. You need to decide on your centre
line. Note that I have lined up with the T edge, rather than guess where the
middle of the two letters comes. I'm working with a chunky biro, because my
hands cannot cope with a fine pencil...
http://s5.postimg.cc/8h6k05fef/r5gtt14052.jpg
Then underline each piece leaving about one millimetre gap below the letters.
Number 2 in this sequence is too close, so will become my spare if it all goes
wrong. The vertical line will be used to match up with the centre line on the
blue template, and the horizontal will be placed over another line on the
template, which is our next stage. First, measure the exact height of the
larger letters. Just 1cm.
Now carefully measure and draw a black line 6.5mm from one of the quadrant
edges. Cut away 6mm so that your black line is still visible on the template.
That will give you your base line.
http://s5.postimg.cc/f2j9zwv93/r5gtt14053.jpg
Remove about 10mm from the other quadrant edge, don't overdo this or you
will lose some of your centering that the tempate provides. Then cut away
in the centre so that the lettering can be placed freely, as this mock-up
shows. On the cap, the baseline of the decal will go over the line on the
template.
http://s5.postimg.cc/rsnid037b/r5gtt14054.jpg
Apply tiny dots of blu-tack to the template and place into position. The
height of the access curve on the cap is 2cm, so I'm placing the baseline of
the template about 4mm above the bottom of the curve.
http://s5.postimg.cc/fgklzifcn/r5gtt14055.jpg
Now, it's time to remove the backing paper. The trick here is to curve the
backing paper away from the decal paper, keeping that as flat as you can.
Hold the complete decal gently twixt thumb and forefinger in the vertical,
while bending the backing paper over the forefinger as you progressively feed
the decal. Take your time here!
Now place the decal into position, so that the vertical lines match and that
the drawn line on the decal paper rests over that on the template. Once in
position, give the decal a gentle but firm press into position with a microfibre
cloth stretched over the end of your forefinger.
http://s5.postimg.cc/gk4qbgzzr/r5gtt14056.jpg
Now, carefully remove the decal covering paper. You need to keep the lifted
edge at an open angle of greater than 140 degrees if you can. Once you
have peeled back, remove the template and gently firm the lettering with
the MF cloth.
http://s5.postimg.cc/vu4linvhz/r5gtt14057.jpg
The first cap completed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ux2rnj9dj/r5gtt14058.jpg
For the subsequent caps, I found it easier to remove the template first. With
the slight overlap of the backing paper, I took my time so nothing moved out
of position.
http://s5.postimg.cc/xom1e57w7/r5gtt14059.jpg
All four caps completed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/hhfqy30vr/r5gtt14060.jpg
...and in position on the wheel
http://s5.postimg.cc/jainmem2f/r5gtt14061.jpg
Considering my gammy hands, I thoroughly enjoyed myself doing this! Who
cares if it divides opinion..?
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
wow!!! thats it just wow!!!!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Nice work as per Pete ,have you link for steam cleaner
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Matt,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
gtmatt
Nice work as per Pete ,have you link for steam cleaner
In the absence of which, I have done a review on Detailing World
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work its cleaning up nicely
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Nice one.ill have some seats just as bad to do eventually:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work on the seats.
Thanks to those guys who brought us all up to date with the EBC pad range, very useful guys :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
A great bit of progress over the festive period! Good to see the seats have cleaned up well, I guess they haven't had THAT much use anyway.
I really like the the colour and finish of the Speedlines, not sure on the graphics mind. Different though :agree:
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Another picture update
Hello Folks,
After the Xmas break, and time to think through a forthcoming stategy, I
went to talk to Karl today. There was some more progress, with the front
bumper removed to reveal this...
http://s5.postimg.cc/co7zghp9z/r5gtt14065.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vhtsdhnhz/r5gtt14066.jpg
So, part of the discussions for future work involved the hub carriers which
will be powder-coated in black. I've also ordered new front bearings and wish
bones. The springs, not seen here, will be powdercoated in red.
http://s5.postimg.cc/fi6jg722f/r5gtt14067.jpg
The front sub-frame is in excellent condition, with just odd patches of surface
rust. There is no steering play. Anyway, the plan of action is to restore all the
front suspension. Then we'll concentrate on getting the engine started to
have a listen. Once done, it's engine out with surface maintenance and clutch
and gearbox inspection.
http://s5.postimg.cc/gzrzrr6t3/r5gtt14068.jpg
The next 3 pictures show the restored rear suspension on the driver's side,
with views under the wing...
http://s5.postimg.cc/w0ua90piv/r5gtt14069.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nxw3xp4xj/r5gtt14070.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/q3qes78dz/r5gtt14071.jpg
Now we come to the interior. Probably the biggest surprise of the whole resto
project. Basically, as the last three pictures show, there's only a small amount
of surface rust on the passenger side. Otherwise, it's all as sound as a bell!
On a scale of 1 to 10 of luck - guess where?
http://s5.postimg.cc/qdxxbjn07/r5gtt14072.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lbl6ui33r/r5gtt14073.jpg
In the early pictures, the steering wheel looked like it had seen better days.
As this photo shows, that's been spared a replacement...
http://s5.postimg.cc/h16iywy0n/r5gtt14074.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/aftsz5i5z/r5gtt14077.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/tid6m2t6f/r5gtt14075.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mvqiswbhz/r5gtt14078.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/7kgpsae5z/r5gtt14076.jpg
One other thing has been resolved. The bent driver's door is going to be
replaced with a brand new one - coming from France - the very last one?
By the time I pay a ton for second hand one, 60 quid plus for van hire and
80 quid or more in fuel, it works out at the same price.
Also arrived are new floor mats, matching the carpet grey, with red banding.
Tia has also had a new travel pod ordered so she can travel in similar style
to that to which she has become accustomed in the Coupé. That'll also help
protect my beautifully cleaned seats.
Talking of the seats, the Scotch-Gard treatment tins arrived today and I'm
already half way through giving the seats a good coating. It looks like a wise
move because I may have dispersed the ghosting left behind by the mould.
Oh, and one last thing to report. I've managed to secure a full set of body
decals, so when we get to the point of re-spraying, the biggest onward cost
hurdle will have been jumped :thumb:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Coming along really well, the shell is certainly in good shape, even still got the renault headlight protectors on :cool: :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Godd progress, and a good base for Resto. Careful though the GT might get jealous!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DaveL485
Careful though the GT might get jealous!
No No! The Coupé will be used as support car for the first few trips - just in case :cooter:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Loving this thread, always loads going on.:agree:.
Really coming along nicely.:)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
It's getting to look a lot like... it's my birthday - all over again :)
http://s5.postimg.cc/4q4u6qe5z/r5gtt14079.jpg
More parts have arrived and a load more spending done too. The brand new
driver's door has arrived, with hinge kits and is all paid for. The brake calipers
have come back from blast-cleaning looking brand new and ready for primer.
I'm dead pleased with the wishbones purchase. It worked out that just the
two main bushes on their own would cost £24 a side, that's without the third
one that joins to the hub. Yet, for £65 I could purchase complete wishbones,
and these are the OE TRW ones to boot! Much appreciation from Karl too as
getting the old bits out requires much obscene language; allegedly...
I've also taken delivery of OE side panel graphics at slightly less than cost of
copies. This means that when the time comes, I'll be ensuring that the paint
will be getting some special attention.
I'm almost done with cleaning the carpet. Will give it another go before a final
clean with the Scotch-Gard foam. Speaking of which, the seats have now had
their SG treatment and have come up like new. All the ghosting marks from
the mould have totally disappeared :niceone:
For my next pics I'll be doing a mockup of the interior with seats in position
and the new floor mats in place. I just need to source some locating buttons
for the new mats. (Anyone?) There is a single set supplied with the mats I
bought, but they don't look too sturdy, especially considering how I'm likely
to shuffle about with my unsteady gait.
I'm really getting quite cheesed-off with the flash on my camera! No matter
what I do, it either makes the seats look completely filthy when they are
really clean and sweet-smelling, or the pictures get covered in various size
reflection dots of indeterminate cause, or of course, both! Grrrrrrrrrr...
My lounge faces North so it's impossible to take photos in there without the
flash. If the weather is fine enough tomorrow, I might try again in the garden.
So, here's some pics, despite my cussin'...
http://s5.postimg.cc/f412m89iv/r5gtt14080.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6j7qv1zcn/r5gtt14081.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wg1f7o307/r5gtt14082.jpg
Even the new mats look blue when they are very definitely grey!!
Passenger side of the carpet has yet to be finished with the steamer and
then all of it will be treated with Scotch-Gard... The 1980's style Renault
diamonds will go over the carpet locating clips.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great job there fella.
Love the finish you done on the wheels. Very nice touch.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
More awesome work there Steve, and I can vouch for the seats, those pictures do not do them justice. Can't wait for the final assembly and looking forward to taking a peak if I may on Saturday.
The restored wheels are epic also - this will be one very nice example once done - not bad for a Grandad ;)
Can't wait for the 4 day exterior detailing on this beasty
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve, you're like an obsessive 'cleaning pervert' :laugh:
I honestly don't know how you have the patience for it but it certainly seems to pay off :agree:
I'm more of a 'bucket of soapy water' kind of guy which shows really.
Great work on ressurecting this car. It'll be something special when it's completed.
I may have just missed it but what size and brand tyres did you opt for in the end? And as for the stickers on the centre caps, they look great. A real nice touch I think.
Top work dude
Ross
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Many thanks for the generous comments guys :niceone:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT ANDY
More awesome work there Steve,...looking forward to taking a peak if I may on Saturday.
Hi Andy.
Yeah, that's if Karl or Jason are working on Saturday - car isn't on my premises atm.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT ANDY
Can't wait for the 4 day exterior detailing on this beasty
+1 - but that probably won't be until after I take it off the road again next September.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Slammed 66
Steve, you're like an obsessive 'cleaning pervert' :laugh:
I honestly don't know how you have the patience for it but it certainly seems to pay off :agree:
Hi Ross,
Don't knock it - it's a combination of that and a dry, but well ventilated, garage that
means I have the car in such fantastic base condition. I've no doubt that you have some
similar patience - I reckon that's a given with these cars :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Slammed 66
I'm more of a 'bucket of soapy water' kind of guy which shows really.
Believe it or not, that's where I started too. Only thing is that I've always tended to go
for that "looked-after" look. If people didn't utter words like immaculate when I'd done,
then I'd not done the job properly. Old habits really do die hard, even when you have
disabled hands...
In its day this was a top of the range motor, so it isn't too difficult to restore it to its
former glory. At least, it defies all the nay-saying badge-snobs... :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Slammed 66
Great work on ressurecting this car. It'll be something special when it's completed.
I may have just missed it but what size and brand tyres did you opt for in the end?
Thanks. I wish I could take a much more hands-on approach, but Karl is doing me proud!
I settled on Falkens size 185/60/13 which loses 10mm of overall tyre width, but only
about 6mm of tread from the standard tyres. I'm hoping that they'll be as good as those
I've fitted to my Coupé; I'm so glad to see the back of the Bridgestone Potenzas. :dearme:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
"Steve, you're like an obsessive 'cleaning pervert' "
You're not wrong there Ross LOL, he tries to clean Fluffy when I popped over to sort an electrical problem out for him. I ran away.
Just to say - I had a quick butchers at Steve's 5 and I have got to say, this is a work of art, he's sparing no expense and it's coming along nicely.
You're a credit to the Club Steve.
Please don't park your car anywhere near mine when it's done please. ;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Loving the dedication mate, great work :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Awesome awesome car.
Are the red stripes original?
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You Know You've Had A Good Day When...
...it eventually turns out like this :niceone:
Actually, it has been a fascinating afternoon! After a few false starts, thinking
that I might need to send my carburettor away somewhere for cleaning, I
eventually landed upon Suffolk Blast Services, or better put, Darren. After an
initial enquiry when I had intimated that I'd rather like to witness the process,
an appointment was made for this afternoon.
Remember this..?
http://s5.postimg.cc/tgkv9oxtj/r5gtt14062.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/apixzj393/r5gtt14064.jpg
Well, that won't pass muster will it?
Having chatted to Darren, with me not really understanding the processes
involved, I had imagined that he was going to blast the outside clean first
and then take it apart for treatment in the ultrasonic machine. I did get a bit
confuzzled, but then that easily achieved by me just lately :)
Actually, no. We would need to completely disassemble the carb because he
needed to ensure that the water would flow freely through every tiny orifice
once he got it into the vapour blaster. Curiouser and curiouser...
So, the dismantling began
http://s5.postimg.cc/fmf24f9kn/r5gtt14083.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4vrfiqvxz/r5gtt14084.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/o78dvljqv/r5gtt14085.jpg
All a tad grotty, both inside and out n'est ce pas?
Then came something that was a complete revelation to me. Looking a like
a green robot with a glass screen, complete withwiper blade, the key machine
hove into view. I've managed to get one picture of the process...
http://s5.postimg.cc/me5h79yk7/r5gtt14086.jpg
That's the underside of the main body, which came out looking like this, once
it had been thoroughly dried...
http://s5.postimg.cc/c6mxuvcc7/r5gtt14087.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6894kmtdj/r5gtt14088.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/uapyfia0n/r5gtt14089.jpg
This is the accelerator jet assembly now cleaned...
http://s5.postimg.cc/g6u3742t3/r5gtt14090.jpg
Top and bottom now reunited...
http://s5.postimg.cc/yoyfrckl3/r5gtt14091.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qbxcafarb/r5gtt14092.jpg
From that point, we both got a bit confused over which spring went where,
so all the remaining pieces were packed securely in the box I'd taken for the
purpose. The last thing I wanted was either a bit left over, or worse a
completely missing piece.
The remaining pictures show the fully reassembled carburettor. I'm completely
thrilled with the result. My thanks to Darren for his forebearance. Allowing me
to be involved meant a great deal to me :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/uh3nilj5j/r5gtt14093.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/uz3ec6y47/r5gtt14094.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4a720dq9j/r5gtt14095.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vm2b1pv07/r5gtt14096.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/in0hypa9j/r5gtt14097.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/9qppurjnb/r5gtt14098.jpg
OK, am I allowed to get excited yet? You know that I am already, don't you? :burnrubber:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Just water? Pretty amazing that, though the zincs now deserve to be re-plated.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Excellent that is. So how much was that process Steve?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Excellent that is. So how much was that process Steve?
Extraordinary good value really - just £40 :niceone:
If you have it already stripped down and can ensure that there are no blockages for the
beads to gather in, then it'll be cheaper. Prices start @£25 in that case.
It's water, high-pressure air and tiny glass beads. I might enquire about the zinc replating...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Extraordinary good value really - just £40 :niceone:
If you have it already stripped down and can ensure that there are no blockages for the
beads to gather in, then it'll be cheaper.
Prices start @£25 in that case.
It's water, high-pressure air and tiny glass beads. I might enquire about the zinc replating...
Regards,
Steve
Steve it's attention to detail like this, that has made me re read this thread time and time again. That carb looks a million bucks again! The only thing I might suggest to you is use a high pressure air gun (from an air compressor) over each piece before you reassemble, just in case there might be any small foreign bodies of glass.
What's the next step?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TopCat
I might suggest to you is use a high pressure air gun (from an air compressor) over each piece before you reassemble, just in case there might be any small foreign bodies of glass.
Absolutely, that's why I was happy to pay Darren for his work. His attention to detail
was very self-evident! All the parts were blown through twice, once before a spell in
the drying oven, and again afterward.
What I've found is that it's the bike restorers who go with the specialist services.
Aerocoat I believe are #1 for them and Darren is well into 1950s scooters, as original
as possible!
What's next? Well, it's a refurb of the front suspension and brakes. Last time I went
round to see the car, the brake calipers were hanging out to dry in all their bright red
repainted glory. :niceone:
There are bits off to Aerocoat, pulley wheel, springs and rocker box cover to do in red.
Tops off the suspension mounts are going too, to be done in black.
There's plenty yet to keep me poor - resto cost comes out at £3K so far...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great carb refurb, good resto price so far to considering the amount of effort and detail on everything that has been touched to date. :cool: Your going to feel like your missing a limb once this is finished as be nothing left to clean. Your have to go off roading in mud just so you can get back on the OCD watch list at the local hospital. :laugh:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Goobie
You'll have to go off roading in mud just so you can get back on the OCD watch list at the local hospital. :laugh:
Heheheheh, I did laugh out loud, but...
:confused: You've given yourself away... do you only do your own restorations half-ar5ed?
Shall I start a book? :D
As for the mud, I have my own source - the track to and from my garage. Puddles and mud
on wet days and a good'ol dust-bowl on dry ones. I was only thinking the other day... :coffee:
Oh, Tia's transport arrangements arrived today. She's already commandeered it...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ibj1lxttj/r5gtt14099.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That's awesome Steve. :yeah:
Another awesome restoration! You'll be scared to drive the old girl at this rate.
Did you know if that red stripe was original from the car showroom?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TopCat
Did you know if that red stripe was original from the car showroom?
No. What happened was that the car was keyed - like no panel inc roof, back door and
bonnet left untouched, just weeks after I bought it. The car was resprayed at insurer's
cost, and they asked me if I'd like a coachline. Seemed to be all the rage of the day. The
red was selected to pick up the red motif from the colour combo of the seats. It'll be
replaced when I get the car repainted this coming October. I've already bought the tape :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
No. What happened was that the car was keyed - like no panel inc roof, back door and
bonnet left untouched, just weeks after I bought it. The car was resprayed at insurer's
cost, and they asked me if I'd like a coachline. Seemed to be all the rage of the day. The
red was selected to pick up the red motif from the colour combo of the seats. It'll be
replaced when I get the car repainted this coming October. I've already bought the tape :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
:agree: it really suits it mate
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I reckon this will be one nice 5 when finished.:agree:Look forward to seeing it in the flesh.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work m8. Great thread. :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT ANDY
LOL, he tries to clean Fluffy when I popped over to sort an electrical problem out for him. I ran away.
Tsk... I was only going to show you how easy it is to use a clay cloth on the roof. Whatever
you do, don't go anywhere near that paint with a machine until I've shown you how easy
it is. Machining paint is darned hard work and if you don't know how much clearcoat you
have, you could do more harm than good.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TNT ANDY
Just to say - I had a quick butchers at Steve's 5 and I have got to say, this is a work of art, he's sparing no expense and it's coming along nicely.
You're a credit to the Club Steve.
Cheers, kind words indeed :niceone: With the car being in such good original metal, I
believe that it's well worthwhile spending some hard-earned on it. However, it's not
going to look like the finished article until after I've had my summer fun it...
Once the weather warms up, and you've rewired the garage for me, we can have a
detailing meet for the East Coast massive. Starting with a certain black R5 as the test
mule... :laugh::wasntme:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Sounds like a plan.
Put it in the event section and call it 'TNT Turd polishing'
I'll be there.
And Steve I honestly value your opinion where paintwork comes in, I'll be speaking to you before attacking any paintwork with a machine. :agree:
Obviously, the nearside will need re-spraying before any of that milarky.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
With it being wet and windy, I've been playing with MS Movie Maker and
compiled what will become a series of movies covering this restoration.
This is part #1. So pour yourself a suitable libation and enjoy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgcfNB-OVHs
It looks quite good at full screen :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
great video, its fascinating to watch the transformation and i must say you are doing the car proud!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great video and a cracking car :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great video Steve, not seen many of them on resto threads! Nice work, caught a glimpse of a new heater matrix in the video, wise move getting that replaced :agree: ;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
A good little video. Quite enjoyed watching that!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Great video Steve, not seen many of them on resto threads!
Thanks Karl. It helped while away a drizzly afternoon. I've got the bug now,
so here's Part 2, which brings us up to date...
Renault 5GT Turbo Restoration Part 2 - YouTube
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Loving the effort that's gone into centering the badge on the centre cap.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Another small update...
More parts gathered. The new bodywork graphics in store for when the car
gets repainted later this year...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ste5et0zb/r5gtt14101.jpg
...and more goodies, including locking wheel bolts and expansion tank.
http://s5.postimg.cc/dtlsqyk3b/r5gtt14100.jpg
The bolts come at the right time because the back wheels can now go back
on the car...
http://s5.postimg.cc/tqkknochj/r5gtt14103.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4ffv763w7/r5gtt14104.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/b76aa0svr/r5gtt14105.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lva18v2uv/r5gtt14106.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/jmvurivqv/r5gtt14107.jpg
I'll be returning the wheels for refitting tomorrow.
There's a question mark hanging over the radiator. Should I be looking
to replace it..?
http://s5.postimg.cc/egkpghgzb/r5gtt14102.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
There's a question mark hanging over the radiator. Should I be looking
to replace it..?
For the time, effort and money put into this so far why risk it?? Bosh a new rad on it :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Not that you would but don't get a cooper core rad, more trouble than they're worth. A new rad would make sense :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Bottom right hand corner looks shot, id change it.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Jonny5
Bottom right hand corner looks shot, id change it.
The fins perish over time mate. They rot on coils all the time on condensers (which are a lot like rads) I'm forever changing condensers because of age. For the sake of a radiator I'd just change it, your car is too good not to :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Definitely worth getting a new rad on there Steve as can get rather hot in summer. Not sure if oe valeo rads are still available, have seen a few people buy some recently or a really good second hand one with no signs of corrosion. I see theres a new heater matrix to go on so worth it for piece of mind. What was hiding under the new parts, see a fair few wires? :scratch:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That needs changing for sure. Valeo don't make them anymore so you may need to find an aftermarket item. NOS are pricey if you can find one.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
:agree:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TopCat
The fins perish over time mate. They rot on coils all the time on condensers (which are a lot like rads) I'm forever changing condensers because of age. For the sake of a radiator I'd just change it, your car is too good not to :)
:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Alex
That needs changing for sure. Valeo don't make them anymore so you may need to find an aftermarket item. NOS are pricey if you can find one.
Cheers Alex,
There's a Valeo NOS one on ebay for £75 - so that's a goer :niceone:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
What was hiding under the new parts, see a fair few wires? :scratch:
You're far too observant Karl :eek: I'm hoping to fit some DRLs. Don't worry, I'm insisting
on making them as stealthy as I can. I just want to be seen...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Lol attention to detail Steve ;) you're certainly on it :D
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
There's a Valeo NOS one on ebay for £75 - so that's a goer :niceone:
Seems not - it doesn't have the oil cooling :(
Looks like I'll have to scour Mr. Auto once more...
There's a few sur le continong - anyone going to Calais?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Where did you get your Renault 5 gt turbo badge stickers from?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
That hasn't got an oil cooler either. You are after :eek:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/VALEO-SERVIC.../dp/B00D0DBQWK
Though can get from work place under half that price.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bigfoot
That hasn't got an oil cooler either. You are after :eek:
...but this one has :niceone:
Referenced on that page is the NRF alternative...
...which is available from Mr. Auto for £129 delivered. Pricier,
but better than Valeo?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
martynp
Where did you get your Renault 5 gt turbo badge stickers from?
They came from eBay France - same guy supplied my R5GTT Fruit of the Loom Tshirt
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
They came
from eBay France - same guy supplied my R5GTT Fruit of the Loom Tshirt
Regards,
Steve
Cool thanks
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Yet more supplies...
http://s28.postimg.cc/pouvkvrb1/r5gtt14108.jpg
The rear wheels temporarily in place...
http://s28.postimg.cc/qd3q3tq0t/r5gtt14109.jpg
http://s28.postimg.cc/sk7yrqvb1/r5gtt14110.jpg
http://s28.postimg.cc/bz0cc3471/r5gtt14111.jpg
...and more dismantling, getting parts ready to take for powder coating
http://s28.postimg.cc/slhwl5x4t/r5gtt14112.jpg
http://s28.postimg.cc/orogc0fst/r5gtt14113.jpg
It looks like I have sourced a replacement radiator - should be here at the
end of next week. It's sometimes useful to have relatives abroad :niceone:
I cannot believe Mr-Auto.co.uk!! Most of the (expensive) parts I have bought
from them have been despatched from, wait for it, France. Mr-Auto.com
(same company, but in France), who also sell on ebay France, steadfastly
refuse to despatch to the UK from there. Indeed, their ebay listing insists
that this is impossible!
Considering my previous purchase history, I think it's astonishing, especially as
they could offer me no proper reason for their decision. It's making me think
twice about buying more stuff from them :(
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
More goodies Steve, keep buying stuff myself although most of it hasnt made its way onto the car yet! :ashamed:
See you've got a headgasket set, are you planning on running standard boost only? ;)
Cant wait to see this in the metal :) :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
See you've got a headgasket set, are you planning on running standard boost only? ;)
Well, the seller had a rocker box gasket @ £9 or complete set @ £35 - spoke to
Karl about it and although we'll need to change the rbg this time round - the
box is going for powder coating in signal red - it should come off once more
without gasket replacement if we need to delve deeper. The car is staying as
standard. I'm looking for similar reliability as I had when it was first on the road.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Love the updates Steve. Keep them coming.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
The very last brand new R5GTT door in the world...
http://s17.postimg.cc/4bdjmsf67/r5gtt14114.jpg
Curious though that it has a 2013 stocking code...
http://s17.postimg.cc/n69ad7f7z/r5gtt14115.jpg
With some of the wrapping peeled back...
http://s17.postimg.cc/4cnhg7gzz/r5gtt14116.jpg
Preparation for the Powder Coaters
This is the spare wheel carrier. It's amazing that it's so solid! I'm looking at
getting this coated in signal red...
http://s17.postimg.cc/z9em0rqa7/r5gtt14117.jpg
More bits that will be coated black, except for the springs which will also be
coated signal red. Missing from here are the rocker box cover and the bottom
pulley wheel, both of which will also end up red...
http://s17.postimg.cc/4zme5qdvz/r5gtt14118.jpg
The garage is also getting some love. Pics to follow later today.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Are you powder coating the topmounts allover? Only say that as be handy to know which is which when refitting :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Are you powder coating the topmounts allover? Only say that as be handy to know which is which when refitting :)
Heheheh, I suspect that Karl could pick out which is which blindfolded. The man, and his
knowledge, are full of surprises...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Are you powder coating the topmounts allover? Only say that as be handy to know which is which when refitting :)
The top mounts are handed so should be able to tell which is which
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Epic thread!
Btw, where did you get the side decals from?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
How is your spread sheet looking now in terms of expenditure lol.
I started one and a week later realised is was not a good idea :eek:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
mingblus3
How is your spread sheet looking now in terms of expenditure lol.
I started one and a week later realised is was not a good idea :eek:
Lol I went through all my receipts and added up, was a big shock to tell the truth :eek:
Keep up the good work 5 is looking great :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
[quote=Dre5gtt;365612]Lol I went through all my receipts and added up, was a big shock to tell the truth :eek:
Dont mate, I just get a folder and chuck all receipts in there, never bothered adding them up for my raider after 10 years, the 11's pile of receipts has got considerably thicker too :scared:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
I can't believe the replacement cost of the rear number plate light
inserts - no less than £19.99 each plus delivery! So, when this 2nd
hand one came up for a fiver delivered...
...it was in fairly good order, but not fit for muster
http://s5.postimg.cc/cnwi04xtj/r5gtt14120.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3u5lj1auv/r5gtt14119.jpg
So, some APC and a sonic brush cleaning, followed by a couple of goes with
Xerapol, aided the first time by the sonic brush, here we have something now
awaiting its new bulb...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ugi280f1z/r5gtt14121.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/du53cobhz/r5gtt14122.jpg
The ones on the car looked a bit delicate, so if we break one, it can be
replaced, else I will have a spare :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
£19.99 where did you get quoted that???
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I just paid 26 inc vat for a brand new Renault pair ?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
phase i 16 v turbo
£19.99 where did you get quoted that???
CGB has been the only online seller I've seen have them.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
Which, when you add postage is more or less similar price...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Which, when you add postage is more or less similar price...
Regards,
Steve
For RTOC members I did a group buy for always worth sending me an email.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
phase i 16 v turbo
For RTOC members I did a group buy for always worth sending me an email.
Yeah, I realise that Mike. However, the existing ones are not broken, so I had only noticed
the prices in passing, compared to the front indicators which I bought from you. When we
looked at removing the number plate lights, they looked a tad delicate. However, for a fiver
delivered, I do now have a spare...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Which, when you add postage is more or less similar price...
Regards,
Steve
Yeah but you said CGB were the only online retailer you'd seen who stocked these, it's just info.
The point being here though that if you haven't checked Mike's site then you haven't looked very hard for online retailers for GTT bits. It might help you in the future.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
The point being here though that if you haven't checked Mike's site then you haven't looked very hard for online retailers for GTT bits. It might help you in the future.
Oh really, that's the point is it? Is everyone here so darned argumentative? If you read my
intitial post properly, you'll see that the replacement I bought was presently a spare. I
repeat, I wasn't actively looking to replace these unless there was a problem removing the
existing ones. Whether they are £17 or £20, they don't present themselves as cheap!
Sometimes I can barely believe this site. Someone else claims they bought some cheaply,
and very helpfully supplied a link so others could too. Oh no, scrub that, they didn't! What
is the point of a post like that?
I don't think I'll bother updating this thread further...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Well I hope you update this thread as I have really enjoyed reading it and seeing your project move forward:) (unlike mine ha) you have also helped me out finding parts for my project and saved me money!:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Trev, do you own a 5?
Are you currently having to buy parts?
Here is the truth not everyone agrees with paying rip off prices.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
mingblus3
Trev, do you own a 5?
Are you currently having to buy parts?
Here is the truth not everyone agrees with paying rip off prices.
Parts price comparison you say?
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=34916 :smokin:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Ming and Steve. My post (and my point) was in reference to availability, I never made any assertion about value or price. In this case though, what price constitutes a 'rip-off' or cheap when it comes to new parts that have low supply and low demand? The price is much more likely to be high, what can the consumer expect suppliers to do? Of course, I can see that if £35 for two new numberplate lights turned out to be the cheapest available then it's a lot of money for a small detail but it's the buyer's prerogative based on what's available. Additionally, it's this kind of market action that contributes to second hand prices of classic cars increasing. If the value of GTTs does not improve then we'll see the remainder disappear very quickly as the cost of keeping them maintained far outstrips their re-sale value.
Steve. Please don't let my posts put you off updating the thread for the benefit of everyone else. :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Def keep posting. I love reading other people's project threads! Gives me inspiration and ideas for mine.
Re other people's posts- you need a bit of a thick skin on here. Some people post, not meaning to be offensive but come across as rude. Others post just meaning to be rude so ignore them. Others try to be helpful and it gets misinterpreted. Just ignore the posts you don't like :)
I am not incinuating by the way that Trev is any of the above :p
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I'm probably all of the above at one stage or another Liam ;)
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A Bit More Cleaning
Hello Folks,
So, while I await the return of the powder coated items, I asked Karl to
remove a few more items from the car. So, the rear light clusters, boot vent
covers and boot carpet came home with me. Some APC in hot water in the
sink, agitated well with the sonic scrubber removed a fair bit of dirt. I had to
replenish after doing just the vents!
Some befores...
http://s5.postimg.cc/vmr43x9o7/r5gtt14129.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/l6b01lanr/r5gtt14130.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ulqvesson/r5gtt14131.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/feavug0tz/r5gtt14132.jpg
...and afters. These black plastic covers treated with ADS Nano Gloss Paint
Sealant, also applied with the sonic scrubber.
http://s5.postimg.cc/jast46b7b/r5gtt14133.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ppn8n3sjb/r5gtt14134.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/b6kozfos7/r5gtt14135.jpg
This is a poor attempt at a 50/50. The cleaning done with some Xerapol also
applied with the sonic scrubbing tool. Getting into the deeper crevices was
with a paint brush, part of a recent Aldi offer. I'm quite impressed with the
latest synthetic bristles, which made cleaning a breeze!
The nearest aperture has yet to be treated...
http://s5.postimg.cc/v2c318gfr/r5gtt14136.jpg
Some afters...
http://s5.postimg.cc/rla0y9hdj/r5gtt14137.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4vfhj0njr/r5gtt14138.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/y9b7ylq9j/r5gtt14139.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3vkl9kj07/r5gtt14140.jpg
The lenses were finally waxed with ADS Obsidian Wax applied by fingers.
Apart from the indicators, all the replacement bulbs will be LED based.
The carpet I have yet to tackle. For some reason it presently stinks! So, it
will go for a good soak before I put it into the washing machine.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
When you say sonic scrubber do you mean Oral B electronic tooth brush?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Ah, just googled it, and it is! Was kinda tongue in cheek comment but that is what I used my GTT mats, badges etc etc.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
They have come up really nice. Good job:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
i find cleaning car parts quite therapeutic, you must be thoroughly satisfied with your efforts. Great job :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Those side grills look brand new. :cool:
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Rear Lights Revisited
Hello Folks,
Well, I guess that I'm being led by photos as I have decided to have a second
go at those rear light clusters. The one on the left of the last photo didn't
quite hit the mark. In the meantime, I've replenished my stock of Xerapol
which comes with 2 small sheets of 1,500 grit wet & dry paper.
Trying to get a decent shot during the process, without the camera flash
getting in the way, proved quite difficult. So, this is one of the units having
been gently rubbed back using some ADS Nano Gloss Paint Sealant (diluted
5:1 with water) as the lubricant.
http://s5.postimg.cc/tms4tjltj/r5gtt14141.jpg
This is a different kind of 50/50 - only one of these units has been through
the wet sanding process...
http://s5.postimg.cc/u3dcfz9kn/r5gtt14142.jpg
This is both units now completed and rewaxed with ADS Obsidian...
http://s5.postimg.cc/7sphg0caf/r5gtt14143.jpg
Now to the Boot Carpet
After 15 years of standing, this carpet was in quite a state! The biggest of
the problems being that it stunk - the pong was was going to be a bit of a
challenge to nullify. This is the first task for my £19.99 wet/dry vac that had
arrived in time for the weekend...
http://s5.postimg.cc/s1hwyuhx3/r5gtt14144.jpg
This is another casualty of the camera flash, with it highlighting the pile with
a false impression of the dirt. While there are some stains, they are nowhere
near as bad as indicated!
http://s5.postimg.cc/udkuzbo6v/r5gtt14145.jpg
These two photos show the results. What I did was to use the wet/dry vac,
then my normal machine with a beating action just to see what else could be
removed - more or less nothing - then I sprayed it with Scotch Gard. I then
worked that in well, then used the wet vac to remove the foam...
http://s5.postimg.cc/gl6g3oxfb/r5gtt14146.jpg
The colour differences are where the carpet follows the currugation of the
boot floor...
http://s5.postimg.cc/v72ip20jb/r5gtt14147.jpg
Only a few more days to go before the powder coated parts come back. Time
for a little more excitement. Everything will be in place for reassembling a
rolling vehicle, so we can then concentrate on the engine and getting it
started. :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Ace project! Your very own barn stash (sort of) :D
Is the engine seized or does it turn over?
I wouldn't be surprised if you can get it moving and some fresh fuel/oil in if it started up:smokin:
Looking at the rest of the project I'm guessing your going to re-build it?
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It's Here! Valeo 810926 Radiator
Hello Folks,
Guess who's a happy, but poor, bunny? Thanks to Phil & Ann "sur le continong",
this arrived at lunchtime today...
http://s5.postimg.cc/g64tlj77b/r5gtt14149.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4iarqzi2f/r5gtt14148.jpg
I'm rather amazed at its small size. It's no wonder that people avoid copper
varieties of this rad, 'coz it gets too warm...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Mmmm that's nice :)
Where did you find that?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good effort, keep it up. :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Wow must be Christmas again! lol Rad looks great, where did you source it from? hope there wasnt too much 'wallet damage' :agree: :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I will def be borrowing some of these techniques when I give mine the pre summer clean :agree:
Top job.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Wow must be Christmas again! lol Rad looks great, where did you source it from? hope there wasnt too much 'wallet damage' :agree: :)
I had to be bought in France, it was then brought over to the UK for me. That bit
is priceless because while I could find plenty of stockists, even one in Calais(!),
no-one would ship one to the UK. The rad was actually made in Spain!
Bits should be back from the powder coaters early next week.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
I had to be bought in France, it was then brought over to the UK for me. That bit
is priceless because while I could find plenty of stockists, even one in Calais(!),
no-one would ship one to the UK. The rad was actually made in Spain!
Bits should be back from the powder coaters early next week. I'll update this post
in a few minutes as I have pics of under the driver's side front wing...
Regards,
Steve
Out of interest what was the cost of it all in the end?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bigfoot
Out of interest what was the cost of it all in the end?
About £150...
More Work Done
So, in preparation for the front suspension and hubs to be rebuilt, Karl has
been busy tidying up under the front wings...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4awblylvb/r5gtt14150.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/rnud4h1yv/r5gtt14151.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3u6ils8qf/r5gtt14152.jpg
The strap in which is looking a bit iffy is going to get sorted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/dg0322zw7/r5gtt14153.jpg
Hopefully, the car should be back on its wheels next week. Two jobs will get
priority - getting the engine started, just temporarily for a listen. We'll then
decide from there what the next stage will be. The other job will be very
much scarier!
While there are lots of small and annoying spots of rust all over the place,
most are just surface rust. However, we've taken a sneaky peek behind the
rubber holding in the windscreen and the news there might not be quite so
good. It's by no means clean, so the screen is going to come out so we can
properly assess what's going on.
This might be a time needing a sharp intake of breath...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good work Steve finding the rad, new oe valeo aswell! not cheap but piece of mind that the cooling system will be in good order! fingers crossed for when the screen comes out that its not too bad :) :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
If you're not seeing a lot of bubbly rust poking out beyond the windscreen rubber currently, then I'd imagine the damage lying behind it wont be too severe. That is, it will most likely only need zapping off/protecting/repainting, rather than having to chop new bits of surround/scuttle in, or worse, replacing it fully.
I would have the rear screen out and have a proper look there too (much easier than the front). They can often hide a fair a bit of rot. Same goes for the side windows, along the bottom towards the front is a typical place for rust.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
From another thread (not wanting to hi-jack it...)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Jonny5
I've been meaning to ask you if you can get me a more modern and more efficient version of the o.e fan?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TopCat
Yes mate. Im best mates with the uk dealer of Comex. They're the rival of spal, better quality and cheaper. Proven better airflow on tests we made last year.
This interests me too, please Davo, details of supplier, costs, linky perhaps?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
So, a trip to Aerocoat today and some more superb work from them.
First the red bits...
http://s5.postimg.cc/plbyqmref/r5gtt14154.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6vjz9vynr/r5gtt14155.jpg
Karl was a bit surprised at my choice of red for the rocker box cover, which
should be black, but with all that pipework under the bonnet, the engine
does get a bit lost :)
http://s5.postimg.cc/i6mmy95iv/r5gtt14156.jpg
...and then to the black bits.
http://s5.postimg.cc/avr4m4p4n/r5gtt14157.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/42qrpuybb/r5gtt14158.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ri8ov7i2f/r5gtt14159.jpg
I'll be taking some photos of the re-assembled suspension units before they go
back on. We're now all systems go with getting the car back onto its wheels :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Wow, they really do look the business in black and red! Are you keeping oe black hoses in the bay? Nice work again Steve :) :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Are you keeping oe black hoses in the bay? Nice work again Steve :) :agree:
Cheers Karl, everything else under the bonnet is remaining as close to standard as
I can possibly get it. Another reason for going for a red rocker box is that it'll show
its cleanliness, or not. Same principle as having lights that show up every mark...
I'm thrilled with the finish that Aerocoat have given these bits. They even gave the
inside of the rocker box a bead blast. Can't recommend their work highly enough :niceone:
I'm making good progress with the internal works of the garage. It should all be
tidy ready for the electrics re-install in about 10days time...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Excellent this. Sometimes powder coating can be hit and miss but the finish looks awesome.:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
So, back to getting the garage ready for the car's return. I was quite surprised
by just how many coats of paint it would take to make it look like I meant it...
http://s5.postimg.cc/67u0gtmwn/r5gtt14160.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/efvy1tet3/r5gtt14165.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/549w4v29j/r5gtt14161.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/v4xdxqbef/r5gtt14162.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pqylq6lo7/r5gtt14163.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/k6m4fjmt3/r5gtt14164.jpg
There's a small hint of green into the white. It's possible that I'll need to put
yet another coat on the ceiling. Nevertheless, I'm now looking forward to
seeing the replacement lights in place. :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looks a good size garage. Is this the same garage the 5 was stored in for all those years?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Looks a good size garage. Is this the same garage the 5 was stored in for all those years?
18' by 9' - Yeah - this is its "reward" :)
I've been looking at possible solutions for protecting the doors, and after having
a good look on eBay, I suddenly had a bit of a brain-wave. These are the surplus
pieces from the floor mats threaded together, so I have 12 strips to glue to the walls...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ewlr1zrxz/r5gtt14166.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
My mate affixed some carpet to his garage side walls in order to protect his VX220 door edges. Cheap and fluffy.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trevhib
My mate affixed some carpet to his garage side walls in order to protect his VX220 door edges. Cheap and fluffy.
I decided to avoid carpet as it can be a source of damp and mustiness. That's why
the original surplus Axminster that was under the car was dumped, otherwise it
would have stayed in place, with a good clean...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
My mate's garage is attached to a new-build house and is very dry and so the carpet has been there for years and is perfect. Some garages can be really damp though so I could see it being a smelly problem used in the wrong situation. :agree:
I think having something damp underneath the car is the biggest issue as it can accelerate chassis rot. I once parked my old GTT on open ground for a year and was advised to cover it over with plastic sheeting first in order to stop the damp getting up into the car's bodywork. I also jacked it up to stop the tyres getting flat spots. When it came to putting the car back on the road I realised how valuable that advice had been.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
So, the front suspension is re-assembled. I'm really pleased that I've been
able to source some de Carbon shock absorbers, even if I haven't stayed
standard with the spring colour. They do look good :thumb:
http://s5.postimg.cc/6rr4jx3jr/r5gtt14167.jpg
The car should be back on its wheels this week. I cannot wait!
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Renault still sell the OE shocks. Not cheap but I guess these were cheaper than Renault?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
mingblus3
Renault still sell the OE shocks. Not cheap but I guess these were cheaper than Renault?
Like £52 the pair - delivered... :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Its all coming together really well and I'm looking forward to seeing the finished car now :) keep up the good work Steve as we will get some more local meets together so you can show it off ;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Like £52 the pair - delivered... :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
Steve,
I could be wrong but looking at the pictures they may be for a Ph1 or possibly a campus? The mounting hole centres (attach to hub) appear to be in line and not off centre as standard Ph2.
Hope im wrong though.;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Front struts looking fresh Steve. Where did you get the shock absorber boots/covers from? or did you re-use the existing ones :) :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Steve,
I could be wrong but looking at the pictures they may be for a Ph1 or possibly a campus? The mounting hole centres (attach to hub) appear to be in line and not off centre as standard Ph2.
Hope im wrong though.;)
Agreed the shockers in the pic are ph1. You need ph1 top mounts if your using them, or the camber will be miles out.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Steve,
I could be wrong but looking at the pictures they may be for a Ph1 or possibly a campus? The mounting hole centres (attach to hub) appear to be in line and not off centre as standard Ph2.
Hope im wrong though.;)
Great spot. They are either Ph1 GTT or non-GTT struts. With the Ph2 top mounts, the geometry will be messed up! :(
Edit - Brigsy's msg came in just as I posted. :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Steve,
I could be wrong but looking at the pictures they may be for a Ph1 or possibly a campus? The mounting hole centres (attach to hub) appear to be in line and not off centre as standard Ph2.
Hope im wrong though.;)
I think you could be right. :crap:
http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/...43d4d40717.jpg
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Hope im wrong though.;)
Sadly, you aren't, but good spot though :niceone:
I've managed to source a pair of de Carbon DG5848 from France for £82 delivered.
The existing ones seem OK so are going back on so we can get the car back on its
wheels for the time being. The existing ones were made by Allinquant. Not much
response from searches in France :(
Renault Part # 7701478479 - £108 each + delivery + VAT from Endon
Anyone interested in the DG1159 pair gimme a shout.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
After many false starts in getting photos transferred, here are a selection
taken by Karl during the restoration.
This is the remains of the exhaust as collected from the trailer...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4ih8xrfp3/r5gtt14k01.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ebygakhtj/r5gtt14k04.jpg
The car given a quick wash...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mlex2q0xj/r5gtt14k02.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/enfwnby9j/r5gtt14k03.jpg
The remainder at various stages of the rebuild...
http://s5.postimg.cc/c8o12wi0n/r5gtt14k05.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/m78zpdrg7/r5gtt14k06.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ewi2r00fr/r5gtt14k07.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4wikxczsn/r5gtt14k08.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ge3j2k56f/r5gtt14k10.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6cu3fi2pj/r5gtt14k09.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cgg9d5id3/r5gtt14k11.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/burah1nav/r5gtt14k12.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/glr5z2g53/r5gtt14k13.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5fs9kdgl3/r5gtt14k14.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6kmbpr31z/r5gtt14k15.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bxb63vqyf/r5gtt14k16.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/s4m1xoncn/r5gtt14k17.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bsc07y913/r5gtt14k18.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/f7zj3rgvr/r5gtt14k19.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/c2jirannb/r5gtt14k20.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/62vrnn2uv/r5gtt14k21.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/yani4fh9z/r5gtt14k22.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/r3lt8k6d3/r5gtt14k23.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/p457h5c1j/r5gtt14k24.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5v84r4rw7/r5gtt14k25.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/b7wz59fsn/r5gtt14k26.jpg
The correct replacement shock absorbers have arrived today and been
delivered.
http://s5.postimg.cc/sy3941irb/r5gtt14168.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/c6hxlaiif/r5gtt14169.jpg
With us not knowing how long these would take to arrive from France, and
the release of the ramp getting more urgent, we decided to re-install the
originals on the basis that it would not be too much of a job to replace them
later. So, on that basis, these pictures are a bit of a cheat, in that they
show the original, rather than the new shocks in place...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ffwcrr6lz/r5gtt14170.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/da21x935j/r5gtt14171.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pkv0hbp6f/r5gtt14172.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/s3gpi0awn/r5gtt14173.jpg
Luckily, only one side had been done. The other strut will have "new wrong"
replaced with "new correct" shock absorber. Car will, come what may, be
back on its wheels by the end of the week.
When I visited yesterday, Karl was balancing the wheels and it was quite
surprising just how much weight he was having to add. The problem was
that being placed out of plain sight meant they were fouling the calipers.
Once the car is running, I think this will be revisited with a view of taking the
tyres off and adding balance weights inside the wheel. It looks like the
blasting part of the refurb process may have upset their balance more than
what was first apparent.
Regards,
Steve
P.S. Davo, if you're reading this, can you possibly reply to post #177 above? Cheers :niceone:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
So, after a lot of work, the electrics are all installed with some snazzy LED
lights, though still one missing. The cut-out in the first picture awaits the
arrival of a 21W warm white LED working light...
http://s5.postimg.cc/qh1lr0bhz/r5gtt14174.jpg
The main reason for revamping the electrics, the originals were chewed to
heck by my kitchen extension builders, is so that I can trickle-charge the
car battery. These modern devices make that very much less risky than
hitherto. So that I don't have a tripping hazard, the unit is screwed to the
ceiling...
http://s5.postimg.cc/p5tuijfw7/r5gtt14176.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/s7kmsht13/r5gtt14177.jpg
There are just 6 downlights that are concentrated upon the area that the
car will occupy. I still have to erect the work bench which will have its own
lighting, probably on flexible arms.
http://s5.postimg.cc/sa4ifbwon/r5gtt14178.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/klc9hclkn/r5gtt14179.jpg
There's still one thing missing though - the car - won't be long though :)
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
This is a big picture update, though not too much progress on the car. There's been
a bit of an unexpected delay, which means that it'll probably be in May that I tax it.
This first picture is a continuation of the progress of decorating the garage. I'm
looking at ways that I might back-light this sign...
http://s5.postimg.cc/z08l5nuif/r5gtt14183.jpg
What I hadn't realised was that I'd not taken any more pictures of the garage since
the 21W LED light has been installed. It's on the list.
Having been moved out of the workshop, the car is presently in a lock-up on site.
Here's some first pictures of it back on its wheels....
http://s5.postimg.cc/g47hzki0n/r5gtt14184.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/elc3ulbg7/r5gtt14185.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/i3o3qzcc7/r5gtt14186.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3ujvv68fr/r5gtt14187.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/fkxtck187/r5gtt14188.jpg
Then the bonnet got removed to reveal this muddle...
http://s5.postimg.cc/yh83a4shj/r5gtt14189.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mgmn9el2v/r5gtt14190.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xvj4e0xfb/r5gtt14191.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/v3zuneywn/r5gtt14192.jpg
Although not pictured, it was a good job that I managed to source a replacement
radiator. The existing one was in far worse condition than originally thought. While
the header tank was still fairly full, the remainder of the system was entirely dry,
with a lot powdery flakes inside the pipes. I'm currently giving these a tidy up.
Some More Cleaning
Two pieces for my attention, the air box cover and the carb lobster cover. At first
sight, not looking too filthy. Not what the Surfex APC dunking revealed! The colour
of the wash water was pretty grotty.
http://s5.postimg.cc/uh0xxw20n/r5gtt14193.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ftzzg83ef/r5gtt14194.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/frkp74p4n/r5gtt14195.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/p70kkc75j/r5gtt14196.jpg
A rather poor attempt to show the difference diameter holes in the lobster vents. One being
4.2mm interference fit, the other being just 2mm.
http://s5.postimg.cc/idvmabqyf/r5gtt14197.jpg
...and cleaned. Both parts were given a coating of high-temp wax, applied by finger tips.
http://s5.postimg.cc/8kj0b9e7r/r5gtt14198.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/r1df22u5z/r5gtt14199.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cm03gx6if/r5gtt14200.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/rfer1oe9j/r5gtt14201.jpg
The air-box cap is pencilled-in for further treatment at a later date to deal with
the light coating of rust. The next job is flushing out all the muck from the myriad
pipes that Karl has brought round. Once cleaned, they'll be treated with some Finish
Kare #350 which should help keep them supple for a while.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
There's been a bit of an haitus in the progress of this resto of late. It has been
slowed up because of the state of the cooling system. The existing rad was
totally knackered, way beyond its initial presentation.
Then it came to removing the water pump. After a bit of a clean on the outside,
it didn't look too bad...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wwm9lsyt3/r5gtt14202.jpg
However, it was a bit of a fight to get it off without breaking bolts, and in the end
just one broke. That was simply down to Karl's patience, there should have been
more than one. Anyway, here's the reason...
http://s5.postimg.cc/489bikwmv/r5gtt14203.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/oib8bgn5j/r5gtt14204.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/h120w8xmf/r5gtt14205.jpg
So, it has come down to seeing just how much residue can be removed from the
rest of the cooling system. I ordered some Bars powder, which can be mixed up
with boiling water once the crystals have been dissolved. One other benefit being
that you can regulate the strength of the mixture.
Otherwise, all the pipework has been cleaned, the carb has been refitted and some
progress made toward getting the car started. Hopefully, that should happen by
the end of next week.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Nice update, I'd forgotten about this one :cool:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good progress, quality work. Im looking forward to you getting it started:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
More bits gathered. The 2 dishwasher tablets were also a bit of a surprise
to Karl when I took them round. They nevertheless got an instant seal of
approval...
http://s5.postimg.cc/g4dz6cfnb/r5gtt14206.jpg
Some other good news. One of my previous lodgers came to visit at the
weekend, saw the rear door badges and said: "You know that I've got
the originals off your car, don't you?". Well, seeing as I had hunted high
and low in every possible corner, knowing that I had not thrown them
away, this reminder came as a welcome surprise. They will get returned
to their rightful place :niceone:
I did mention that I'd post more pics of the garage lighting in operation.
Here they are, but first, a couple of pics showing the door bump strips
in place....
http://s5.postimg.cc/6ikeq1ohj/r5gtt14207.jpg
Loking into the garage with the lights off...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mczazxd87/r5gtt14208.jpg
...and then on
http://s5.postimg.cc/beo1hqomv/r5gtt14209.jpg
...and a close-up of the 21W LED
http://s5.postimg.cc/j8on34wfr/r5gtt14210.jpg
I had my mate Steve's black Honda under the "lights of doom" and they found
something that he wasn't aware of. So mixed feelings about finding the paint
looking a tad fragile along behind the top of the windscreen rubber :(
However, the clay cloth and some ADS Obsidian Wax on the rest of the roof
was very pleasing!
Just a quick reprise, how the garage used to look...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9rytwicl3/r5gtt14211.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Nice 1 Steve, like the old style Renault banners :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great update steve. Loving the garage. Wish I had that amount of space! :crap:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Love the garage Steve, dishwasher tablets FTW ;) :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
So, another quick consultation with Karl today. Car should be ready for MOT by the
end of next week. That's the aim anyway. Bits under the bonnet are slowly being
reassembled. The water pump facing is next on the list. One stubborn bolt now
removed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/rq2e2nm7r/r5gtt14212.jpg
Note the use of the original style pipe clips... :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/9yqro76t3/r5gtt14213.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d856unuwn/r5gtt14214.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5tfv2a913/r5gtt14215.jpg
A while back I bought a set of Bougicord leads from France. Turns out that
the king lead is 6 inches too short and missing its bung that goes through
the forward bulkhead. So, not quite the initial bargain :(
Following a long discussion, we've decided that the car won't be going back
on the road until 2015. Once we have heard the engine running and know it'll
pass an MOT, the car will be stripped down, everything above axle level.
We'll be taking engine and gearbox out, removing all the glass and returning
everything to mint.
Body will receive a complete repaint. Engine will be overhauled and new
clutch installed. Being as we have restored everything that's mostly hidden
underneath back to mint, there's no point stopping half way.
The painting will be done by Jason on the same site. He's just completed a
Mk.2 Cortina with a finish that looks like it has been enamelled. If he gets a
similar finish on the R5, I'll be a very happy bunny!
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Excellent thread. Another year isn't going to make much difference. Looking forward to the updates :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
For those who enjoy these things, I've placed links to 3 of my youtube videos
about this restoration into the OP of this thread
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Before I upload a movie of the car coming home, with an MOT(!), I think
I need to bring things up to date.
There were a couple of reasons why it has taken this long to get to the
MOT. Mostly it was down to the cooling system being in quite a state,
though that was exacerbated by the carburettor flooding, meaning that
we could not get it running for long enough to properly flush the system.
I managed to secure another carb, though despite more cleaning out with
dishwasher tablets and rad cleaner, the system is still pretty murky. The
replacement carb was actually in better condition than my existing one,
although not quite as shiny.
Anyway, I've been pondering making a few further small modifications to the
car. Somehow, the existing parcel shelf got thrown out. However, I've
decided that I'm not going to replace it with one out a GTT. Thinking laterally,
when the car is out on parade in the future, it'll be standing in full sun on a
show field, with very little to shade the rear window. Being as it isn't fitted
with air-conditioning, the black shelf will act like a fantastic heater, when it's
least needed.
So, what's my solution? Well, many R5GTTs have a red carpet, mine has grey,
so there's room for a little more red inside the car. So, I bought a standard
R5 parcel shelf and I'm going to get it upholstered. However, quite by chance
there was an interesting sample in the swatch.
As you know, the red in the seats is not solid. The fabric I'll be using is almost
identical, so the red will be mottled with grey, an effect which tends to make
the overall colour lighter still. Even better!
So, here's the replacement parcel shelf. It's interesting that it is built much
more strongly than the GTT one. As you can see, it needs a bit of treating...
http://s5.postimg.cc/f7jjkqp13/r5gtt14228.jpg
during...
http://s5.postimg.cc/g79ugg46v/r5gtt14229.jpg
...and after
http://s5.postimg.cc/tpgqsqgc7/r5gtt14230.jpg
I'm not stopping with the parcel shelf. I'm intending to do the front door cards
too. Before all the purists start screaming. I'll have standard door cards on
standby, just in case that day arrives.
Another Rare Find
Rummaging through eBay one evening, I came across a seller offering some
pieces that I've not seen before. Being as there isn't a made-up road twixt
my garage and the highway, whether or not these were fitted to the GTT is
quite frankly immaterial - they are going to serve a purpose.
What made this sale a little different was that the seller wasn't just offering
splash-guards for the front, he had some for the back as well. Anyway,
here's the goods (seller did warn that they were in a bit of a state)...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cwibchg6v/r5gtt14231.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/494lrk8xj/r5gtt14232.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3kw9fj3nb/r5gtt14233.jpg
However, the real value of the deal was in these...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ea9y7sfg7/r5gtt14234.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/u4ouho46v/r5gtt14235.jpg
If the track to the garage happens to be a bit muddy at either end of a trip
out, it's going to be the work of moments to give these a wipe over, and
all that beautifully clean underneath will stay that way too.
Apart from the video (coming soon, I promise) I took 2 other photos today.
Just as we got the car home, we found a loose clip on one of the hoses.
That's Karl's hand in there, pushing it back on...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mei2cj1vb/r5gtt14236.jpg
Then, if the day couldn't get any better, my mate turned up with my original
rear door badges. Yay!!
http://s5.postimg.cc/pcf1689iv/r5gtt14237.jpg
Anyway, that's enough excitement for one day. Oh, I also got a reasonably
good result from the quack today, as my own MOT results came through. Looks
like there's a reasonable risk that I'll be around for a bit longer.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Absolutely love this thread
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Niceone Steve, great it has an Mot. Must be time for a catch up soon, love to see the car too :) :agree::agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
A while back I bought a set of Bougicord leads from France. Turns out that
the king lead is 6 inches too short and missing its bung that goes through
the forward bulkhead. So, not quite the initial bargain :(
Sounds like they are for the phase 1 rather than the phase 2, which has the ignition pack inside the engine bay, hence the kingpin lead is 6 inches shorter than the one which goes in the scuttle pannel and no bungl.
Excellent progress though, most of what you are doing is exactly the same as I am doing to mine, which has been off the road for about 11 years. Although, rather than replace bits with OEM parts, im replacing most of the bits with performance parts, so my build costs are about 3 times the price. Still be worth it when its all finished!!!
My next job is the cooling system and i dreading getting that water pump off. :(
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Part 4 of my video series now uploaded
Hello Folks,
Part 4 sees the engine started for the first time, the revamp of the car's home
and its triumphant return complete with brand new MOT:niceone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJO3ocqXP7g
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Brilliant work as usual you I always enjoy seeing your progress
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Well, it has been an interesting and not uneventful day! Karl came round at
lunchtime to fit the new clip over the leaky coolant pipe. The other objective
for the day being to sort out the dreaded yellow bung in the fuel tank. So,
it would be back to the workshop for it to be filled with some Milliput.
I just get about 100 yards from my garage, just round the corner and run out
of fuel. Got that replenished, and the wee beastie would not start. It plain
refused to respond to any throttle. So much for my first drive in it for nigh on
16 years! :(
So, we decide to push it back along the lane, getting my foot run over in the
process. Once back in my garage, it would be a case of checking over the
carburettor. Maybe I'd dragged up some muck from the empty tank. Half
way back, we decide to take a rest - remember I'm not too nimble on my
pegs - so Karl tries the starter again. Well, I be damned, the thing fires up
first time - what a relief..!
So, back to the workshop, filled the problematic bung, which was looking
quite sound, so any future problem averted. Got some proper coolant
added to the system too. Apart from one, possibly two, slightly loose
tappets the engine sounds sweet. The temperature guage is registering a
well cooled engine, though at this point the fuel and oil pressure guages are
not responding. That's a job for another day.
Off to the filling station for a tad more fuel, just in case. The car turns heads;
just that burble giving its approach away as something unusual. I get home
and decide that I'm going to do some cleaning. Considering the length of time
since the car was last waxed, I'm amazed at the condition of the paint. There
is hardly any swirling, and no more than about 4 fairly serious water spot
etches. Here's some before photos...
http://s5.postimg.cc/kmu5eqotz/r5gtt14238.jpg
The bucket contains a clay cloth soaking in a mix of ONR and car shampoo.
http://s5.postimg.cc/cmfuq97w7/r5gtt14239.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/7rhke8k6v/r5gtt14240.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/uvmmkkcvr/r5gtt14241.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/o17qh4uuv/r5gtt14242.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3q52mbh9z/r5gtt14243.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ql7yoz7sn/r5gtt14244.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/52mro7epj/r5gtt14245.jpg
The door shuts are seriously filthy. I'll be having a good go at them tomorrow!
http://s5.postimg.cc/49er9by2f/r5gtt14246.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/666w05zcn/r5gtt14247.jpg
This photo was taken to try and pick up the two water spot etches on the
bonnet. Looks like that wasn't successful. :(
With the car going back in October, I'm not going to be treating this paint to
any long-lasting potions. The last thing I want is for Jason, the painter, to
encounter bonding problems. So, my work today was to get the paint as clean
as I can and to really inspect the bodywork. Some of the rust spots are just
surface, though some look potentially more serious.
Now to some after photos. I gave the door glass a really good clay cloth
and polish clean, just to make life easier for the electric motors, which are
working fairly well.
http://s5.postimg.cc/etk3e6d6f/r5gtt14249.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/96nqgpanr/r5gtt14250.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/itvu45t13/r5gtt14251.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/i6wxemw53/r5gtt14252.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qnwfpk0tz/r5gtt14253.jpg
I'm still blown away by how well the ADS clay cloth works. The smoothness
of the fnish just has to be felt to be believed.
http://s5.postimg.cc/gixrzzi9j/r5gtt14254.jpg
Now we come to a couple of areas where there's going to be some serious
restoration work to do, by comparison with what's gone before, anyway.
http://s5.postimg.cc/dz255vupj/r5gtt14255.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ghnu6kgfr/r5gtt14256.jpg
When I first got into the car, I found myself banging my head against the
edge of the sunroof surround, being a 6 footer doesn't help. Managed to
adjust the seat back a tad, then after a little while realised that I had
forgotten just how comfortable those seats actually are, but then I
should not be surprised, Renault have always known how to craft a
very comfy seat!
If the weather behaves, there will be more fun to be had tomorrow. I may
well take a ride out to Beccles and back. So far, I've not got it up into 5th
gear on my short travels. Oh dear, all this excitement!! :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Do you know, I'd quite forgotten just how much fun it is to drive a Renault
5 GTT - I'm now quite cross with myself for letting this car lie low for such
a long time!
This post is a mixed bag of bits. First off a bit of cleaning...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9pk3hv48n/r5gtt14257.jpg
New 10w H3 LEDs are now fitted, and given back to Karl for testing out. I'm
guessing they should be bright enough for the show ring, which is about the
only use they will get.
More LEDs fitted into the number plate lights...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4x5osok6v/r5gtt14258.jpg
The car has now been almost entirely clay clothed, still a bit more to do. It'll
be the engine bay next. Not until later in the week though, I've got a Ford
Granny to revisit for the next couple of days.
http://s5.postimg.cc/qiargagxj/r5gtt14259.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/h49fa8q47/r5gtt14260.jpg
Don't You Just Love Careless Couriers? NOT!
http://s5.postimg.cc/jj1auo6d3/r5gtt14261.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/texsgkmrb/r5gtt14262.jpg
Pressed plates came from Elite Car Care. Alex was soon on their case and I now
have nice flat ones still wrapped up, ready to apply at some point.
Another, "I Just Knew It" moment...
If you've been following this thread, you'll know that I spent loadsamoney on
a replacement front bumper. When the car came back from Karl, there was
this lower hole in that bumper...
http://s5.postimg.cc/bin066pfb/r5gtt14263.jpg
Boy, has that been jarring me..! However, in the back of mind I had this nagging
suspicion that I didn't need to purchase another. We've had some problems with
the engine idling when it gets warm, so I've been scouring my premises and both
cars to find the carburettor kit I bought, in the hope it contains a new idling screw.
Lo and behold, at the back of the R5's glove box, what do I find...?
http://s5.postimg.cc/8xhfio01j/r5gtt14264.jpg
:smokin:
Regards,
Steve
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First proper trip out since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Well, 95 miles covered today, almost faultlessly. :niceone:
However, one or two little jobs to complete first. Like the hot air feed pipe
which had disintegrated...
http://s5.postimg.cc/l964v3fav/r5gtt14270.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mqw6ke9fb/r5gtt14271.jpg
...and replaced with a silicone re-inforced one. It'll be trimmed to proper
length once the engine is replaced after the re-spray...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3n2v41wl3/r5gtt14272.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/77yqna14n/r5gtt14273.jpg
The anti-percolation fan also replaced. I had hoped to repair the one that
came out, but it looks like it has been knackered for a very long time :(
Making enquiries about buying new, only available "sur le continong", with
prices starting at Euro: 210 :eek::eek:
http://s5.postimg.cc/mmxrqeek7/r5gtt14274.jpg
Two other jobs done. The fog lights have been temporarily replaced, looking
better than blank holes :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/h1fy03393/r5gtt14275.jpg
...and the towing-eye blanking plate also re-inserted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/7yrgt23hz/r5gtt14276.jpg
So, now we come to its first proper trip out in 16 years! A 46 mile run up to
Snetterton for the Novice Track Night. Here's my proof that the car made it...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6kztxr48n/r5gtt14277.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ibdrf4x13/snett01.jpg
It's amazing how other drivers react to the car, especially people who don't
know what it is. The number of drivers on my way home who saw an old car
and thought: I better get in front of that else he'll be holding me up. Would
have loved to see the expressions on their faces as I not only chased them
down, but left them for dead...
I laughed out loud today as I did one of my traffic light party tricks. The
BMW driver didn't know quite what to do :confused: Anyway, it has been an
eventful and exciting day all rolled into one. I've just got to get the exhaust
rattle sorted and give the cooling system another flush out. This trip has
blown out more than just a few cobwebs...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I bought a brand new perc fan back in the day and that was like 200 odd notes, doesn't surprise me they are that price.
I think I've still got it too if you want me to look?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dave Reed
I bought a brand new perc fan back in the day and that was like 200 odd notes, doesn't surprise me they are that price.
I think I've still got it too if you want me to look?
Oh my, for the size of the thing, how did they ever justify it? Did you buy one
and never fit it? It would be good to have a spare, though I'm wary of any
big outlays before the car goes back in October for the engine and glass out.
I'm a bit fearful of what we'll find when the windscreen comes out...
Regards,
Steve
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Autoglass - Quite a nice surprise!
Well, doesn't time fly when you're enjoying yourself? Seems a while since I last
posted, but the car isn't forgotten! It's had a few outings since passing its
MOT. On Friday this week it goes back to being SORNed and into the workshop.
First on the agenda is to remove the glass. So far, I've been very lucky with
so little tin-worm activity. I'm hoping to be present when the guy comes to
remove the windscreen. The scuttle panel below does have some surface rot,
but it'll be interesting to see what's below. Sharp intake of breath time??
Has anyone here replaced an R5 windscreen? Will I need to replace _all_ the
surrounding rubbers? If so, then November is going to be an horrendously
expensive month...
After Some Research
With the windscreen to come out any day, I've been exploring the cost of its
replacement. With the rubbers, I costed them at about £260, not counting
either fetching the glass from Southampton, or the cost of fitting, which I
gather takes about 2 hours, allowing for adhesives to set.
So, being that it's chilly out, I went to the Autoglass web site to take a bit
of a look-see. In the hope of getting a quote, I found the only way was to
pretend to book an appointment. Having very carefully read the screen before
"proceeding" I eventually gave in. Well, almost...
I spotted an on-line chat button and gave that a go. Chatting to a guy called
Andrew, very personable chap with a sense of humour, his initial quote, after
discount was around £140 inc VAT, fitting and car lifetime guarantee. That
was about £70 off "list price".
It gets better. I then enquired about which replacement rubbers were to be
included, and the price if not... Back came the list price (sharp breath intake)
quote of £347, which after a bit of haggling came down to £244, depending
upon price of the rubbers (suppliers' prices dependent) at the time of ordering.
So, that's the trip to So'ton put on hold for a bit...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Steve, remember my windscreen was about £100 from Direct Windscreens on Vulcan Road Norwich, they put one in my raider, then in 2012 a new one in my 11 turbo ;)
Regards
Karl. :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Karl,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Hi Steve, remember my windscreen was about £100 from Direct Windscreens on Vulcan Road Norwich, they put one in my raider, then in 2012 a new one in my 11 turbo ;)
We've got a Windscreens Direct in Lowie...
Did those prices include any / all replacement rubbers?
Update
Just given them a call...
£150 for the screen replacement
+£55 if outer seal needs replacing
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
On the raider price included newer style rubber & fitting, on 11 re-used existing rubber as they supplied screen only. Let us know how you get on :)
Regards
Karl.
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I Got Very Emotional!
Hello Folks,
Well, the screen is out. It also came out in one piece! However, that's not the news...
The good news is that apart from a few patches of surface rust, the metal behind is
just as sound as a bell. Even the two drain holes at the base of the screen, although
surrounded by surface rust, were not blocked!
To say that I'm ecstatic does not come close. I even warned Karl to keep his distance
lest I kiss him :eek: Yeah, I know, the post is useless without pictures. I will go armed
tomorrow afternoon. It means that funds can be spent in places elsewhere. I'm not
going to be spoiling this ship for a ha'porth now...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great to hear Steve, looking out for those all important pictures! Did you find a replacement windwscreen and rubber ok? :)
Regards
Karl.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Excellent. Another good bit of news. Goid luck steve.;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
that's all light rust. Looking good. Have you taken the skirts off yet?
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Warning! Some of the pictures in this post might make you, erm, emotional...
Hello Folks,
I went round to the workshop today to drop off a door card for strengthening
before it goes to the upholsterers. What I found was a hive of activity around
the R5 with Karl preparing the front bumper for its primer.
http://s5.postimg.cc/v1mv959dj/r5gtt14294.jpg
That's not all! We've removed the near side side-skirt and most of the wing
trims as well, came the triumphant call. There was no echo of this being bad
news, so I dared to ask the question: "What's it like?"
I'll let the pictures do the talking. Here's the car in its new home...
http://s5.postimg.cc/l31wmnzxz/r5gtt14302.jpg
...and closer inspection revealed this...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6nol1icaf/r5gtt14295.jpg
The car started first time and was driven out for me to take these pictures...
http://s5.postimg.cc/woc2udlfb/r5gtt14296.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/rfh1wi307/r5gtt14297.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lngxpct6f/r5gtt14298.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/sghalmjzr/r5gtt14299.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wyezzzanr/r5gtt14300.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6otxh6oqf/r5gtt14301.jpg
I got the impression that the guys were pretty impressed with what they
found, leaving out the car's age and history! Of course, I'm beyond thrilled!
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
what a great example of an un molested 5 you have. well done for bringing it back to its former glory, its certainly worth it!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
This is the fantasy/dream that 99% of 5 gt turbo owners are hoping for on removal of the kit! Very solid indeed and good for another 25 years, keep the the good work Steve :agree: :cool:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good going.
I need to pop my skirts off over the winter. I'm dreading it. :rolleyes:
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Some steady progress...
Hello Folks,
With Karl coming round with a stack of internal plastics yesterday, came a
suggestion that I go round today with my camera. On arrival, the car is out
of the storage garage and moved into the studio. As ever, I'll let the pictures
do their bit...
http://s5.postimg.cc/z94bw1nlj/r5gtt14303.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6i7i5zhrr/r5gtt14304.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/dk5fs6ldj/r5gtt14305.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/hkcl4fbuf/r5gtt14306.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/exx2nhkmv/r5gtt14307.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/anierwfjr/r5gtt14308.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ypun916t3/r5gtt14309.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/m9xxfadh3/r5gtt14310.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/whggrozp3/r5gtt14311.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/swkl8gv5j/r5gtt14312.jpg
Apparently, the driver's side front wing has had some work done to it and
there's some filler around the rear wing too. Quite why hasn't been determined
and there's no clue in any paperwork I hold.
http://s5.postimg.cc/jm8h4xkfr/r5gtt14313.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/y6pjzrfef/r5gtt14314.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/x896xh22f/r5gtt14315.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ez2f35x2v/r5gtt14316.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/clfvyet9z/r5gtt14321.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ggja0zcfr/r5gtt14322.jpg
...and with most of the interior now stripped, here's some inside views
http://s5.postimg.cc/klys0mzlj/r5gtt14317.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/z3vz8mqwn/r5gtt14318.jpg
Sorry, a bit of camera shake on this next one...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3visxkbsn/r5gtt14319.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/od3r97nw7/r5gtt14320.jpg
There was also a bit of a surprise, with Jason saying I might like to follow him
into the painting booth, where some priming has started...
http://s5.postimg.cc/w0qnrimk7/r5gtt14323.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/g1807yqif/r5gtt14324.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d5ux13mif/r5gtt14325.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/s0jif9w3b/r5gtt14326.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/w89paa853/r5gtt14327.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/us2s5vulz/r5gtt14328.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d1wi73rnb/r5gtt14329.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/i87ni56ev/r5gtt14330.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/czcmk9nzr/r5gtt14331.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4skmsoxx3/r5gtt14332.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ajat6f5x3/r5gtt14333.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/msttx2q47/r5gtt14334.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/fgsz59x9z/r5gtt14335.jpg
You might notice that the front bumper isn't pictured. That's been held back
for the DRLs to be set in place. Before I get heckled, the idea is to install
these as stealthily as possible, where their presence will only be felt when
they're illuminated...
All of this is getting far too exciting for an old man - I need to lie down in a
darkened room for a while :rolleyes:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Its hard to believe how good that shell is after all that time in storage!:D
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Yep looks mint another great read, just got mine checked all original sills still mint apart from the lip that meets the inner were thesissor jack goes 👻
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Very solid shell, all that time in the garage has preserved it well. Looking forward to the next installment as this has come such a long way :agree::agree: :cool:
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Front Window Seals
Hello Folks,
How have you guys resolved the swelling problems associated with the seals around
the front windows? Mike only has one, not sure which side. Seems I need to replace
both of them...
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: Front Window Seals
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Hello Folks,
How have you guys resolved the swelling problems associated with the seals around
the front windows? Mike only has one, not sure which side. Seems I need to replace
both of them...
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
You talking about where water has got caught in there and swelled them up? I don't know of a way apart from trying to find a replacement set. Are they not available from Renault anymore then?
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Re: Front Window Seals
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bigfoot
Are they not available from Renault anymore then?
I had assumed not, but that is an avenue I'll explore in the New Year...
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
They should be available, they corrode & swell up. Got part no.s if thats a help? Fitted my new ones earlier this year ;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Got part no.s if thats a help?
Yes please :niceone:
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
77 00 758 100 - LH Outer window door seal
77 00 758 101 - RH Outer window door seal
Roughly £80 the pair when I got mine from Holden Renault Norwich last year.
Seasons Greetings
Karl.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Karl,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Roughly £80 the pair when I got mine from Holden Renault Norwich last year.
Job, jobbed. £83 the pair. Many thanks! :niceone:
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Hi Karl,
Job, jobbed. £83 the pair. Many thanks! :niceone:
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
Make all the difference these when new!;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Hi Karl,
Job, jobbed. £83 the pair. Many thanks! :niceone:
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
Something I need to buy soon. Great thread m8
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
No worries Steve, I wasnt far out! ;) where did you get them from in the end? Some dealers say they can not get them and the reason for that is they got fed up ordering them, upon delivery found they got bent in transit and had to return them to get some more!. They do make alot of difference and once lubed up with a little silicon grease, make it slightly lighter work for the window motors.
Season Greetings
Regards
Karl. :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Ta for the kind comments guys. It'll be details like this which will properly make the
finished product complete.
I got them from Mitchells, just around the corner from me. They reckoned there was
little or no trouble getting them; there was even UK stock. :niceone: These came in
flat boxes with not a mark on them.
With Season's Greetings,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
What an interesting read it has come far in such a short ish time frame cant wait to see the finished product :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve thats brill . Just what im trying to do with my 5 keep it standard and so far so good
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve, keep us updated in 2015. It would be a shame not to see this complete.:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Steve, keep us updated in 2015. It would be a shame not to see this complete.:agree:
OK Matt, here's the first 2015 instalment...
I received a phone call just before lunchtime today, from Karl, saying they had
been busy since coming back to work this week, and it's only Wednesday! The
car is now mostly in bare metal and it might be time to take some pictures.
On my arrival, it immediately became apparent that stripping back the paint
was the best idea. It highlighted a few places that could become future
problem areas, and possibly defeat the object of doing the job properly, just
once. I'll let the pictures take up the story...
Screen drain hole, passenger side
http://s5.postimg.cc/xfu2lqjef/r5gt15001.jpg
Passenger side front wing
http://s5.postimg.cc/etrb7i6rb/r5gt15002.jpg
Driver's side front wing. Not original and not for a GTT. The mounting
holes are drilled rather than pressed, as is the indicator repeater socket,
just out of shot...
http://s5.postimg.cc/uj2g7po6v/r5gt15003.jpg
Still some paint to remove on the pillar, but a clear candidate
for a bit of repair...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mrlq95k1j/r5gt15004.jpg
...though the drain hole this side isn't quite as bad
http://s5.postimg.cc/9sjx64zav/r5gt15005.jpg
This is possibly the most serious area of rust, part of which is
hidden within the door shut. The door isn't stripped as it will be replaced.
http://s5.postimg.cc/7k5qoss6v/r5gt15006.jpg
At first sight, this rear wing seems okay. However, below the
cheat line, it's a different story. It seems the car has been bumped on its
right side, with this wing repaired and the front one replaced. No sign of which
appears in the documentation!
http://s5.postimg.cc/5gvbh4sdz/r5gt15007.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6kfft3d13/r5gt15008.jpg
The rear door and remainder of the car are just in superb condition!
http://s5.postimg.cc/6mzbfxgon/r5gt15009.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/k6g5lmunr/r5gt15010.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/dhe7jcypj/r5gt15011.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/oi9codqyf/r5gt15012.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lcoqy68c7/r5gt15013.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/9dd8qv2rb/r5gt15014.jpg
Now some close-ups of some of the trouble spots...
http://s5.postimg.cc/qrxgz4zw7/r5gt15015.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qgg0mdjg7/r5gt15016.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ddke33t87/r5gt15017.jpg
That's the choke cable hanging out, and broken...
http://s5.postimg.cc/dsvnw4f5j/r5gt15018.jpg
Now, two pictures of items that are normally hidden from view...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wjxl6a9pz/r5gt15019.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/61jjbb0dz/r5gt15020.jpg
So, nothing too horrendous found, (looks for "sigh of relief" icon). I'm going to
see if the wrong front wing can be replaced with a new correct one. Most of
this work is Lee's and I cannot imagine the amount of dust he created! The
place was spic and span when I arrived.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That looks really solid! Hardly any rust on it at all. I dare not take mine back to bare metal as I think id struggle to find much with all the rot on it.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Thanks Steve. I had no idea you were going for bare metal!
That car is unbelievable a condition for its age. :D
Is this now a nut and bolt restoration?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve really does look in amazing condition in the bare metal with not too much to do other than drain hole around the screen and the wing. Definitely the way to go, will it still be tungy grey? :agree: :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Thanks for the kind comments guys. Having chatted with Jason and Lee, before
Xmas, we came to the conclusion that bare metal would be the way to go,
simply to find any potential problems. Seems that this approach has been
justified. I'm certainly not up for ever repeating this exercise, but don't want
any nasty surprises later either! As for nut and bolt restoration, well maybe
not quite to that level.
I certainly won't be doing any part replacements that aren't needed. Looks
like the driver's side wing is staying, for example, though a guy in France
has 5 wings for sale, which was tempting. Although the hole stamps for
the trims are in place, they don't have an indicator repeater socket. :confused:
Once the car is in primer, the engine will be coming out. This to re-grind the
valve seats and to powder coat the subframe, along with clutch renewal etc.
With there being so little welding work to be done, it means that money can
be spent on bringing the car back to mint.
It won't become a garage queen, as I'm intending on having some fun with it.
The car will be staying in tungy grey, though that'll be brought really close to
concours standard. I already have the car booked for a wet-sand and special
coatings to be applied in April.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Steve, The new wings, as supplied by Renault, do not have the side repeater holes pre-cut. Seems a bit silly but that's how they come.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
markg
Hi Steve, The new wings, as supplied by Renault, do not have the side repeater holes pre-cut. Seems a bit silly but that's how they come.
Agreed. I bought a new wing many moons ago and it had no side repeater hole. I recall quizzing the renault parts guy and he said that's how they came. Weird but true!
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So, Remedial Bodywork Begins...
Hello Folks,
I've just realised that I've not posted pictures of my work at home on the
car's interior plastics, some of them having been used to illustrate my review
of the ADS plastic restorer. So here's two close-ups of the finished article.
These are seen from differing viewpoints to try and overcome the nonsense
that the camera's flash presents...
http://s5.postimg.cc/vshfkf7hz/adsplastr05.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vbw7xzjqv/adsplastr06.jpg
This is the interior trim from the driver's side, now cleaned and protected...
http://s5.postimg.cc/b62d9yjsn/adsplastr10.jpg
The rear window levers on the car needed to be replaced, and having bought
2 second-hand, but grubby, replacements, here they are before and after,
again from 2 viewpoints...
http://s5.postimage.org/7ryfif9h3/r5gt15021.jpg
http://s5.postimage.org/mg9bti9x3/r5gt15022.jpg
So, the car has been moved back into the workshop for work on the sills to
continue. These have been rubbed-back, rust treated, primed, stone-chipped
and are ready for another primer coat...
http://s5.postimage.org/s5pkdtg3b/r5gt15023.jpg
http://s5.postimage.org/uob9ei1tj/r5gt15024.jpg
http://s5.postimage.org/9366qw52v/r5gt15025.jpg
http://s5.postimage.org/akrn2g9tj/r5gt15026.jpg
Both sides have been treated...
http://s5.postimage.org/e721su5kn/r5gt15027.jpg
One area looked to be really suspect; remember this?
http://s5.postimg.cc/ghnu6kgfr/r5gtt14256.jpg
Seems that there's no hole in the metal after all! Here it is now...
http://s5.postimage.org/5xll0omgn/r5gt15028.jpg
http://s5.postimage.org/vcopb6px3/r5gt15029.jpg
http://s5.postimage.org/gqxomxt4n/r5gt15030.jpg
http://s5.postimage.org/e8bzm97ef/r5gt15031.jpg
The last picture shows the front wing now correctly rivetted in place at the
bottom...
http://s5.postimage.org/b41bpgqlz/r5gt15032.jpg
All the discussions about this car are about how solid it is for its age. As it's
in the main shop now, it is proving to become a bit of a distraction, with any
visitors tending to drool, even in its undressed state :)
Next step is for the new driver's door to be trial fitted, just to make sure that
seams match etc. I'll also be ordering the new windscreen for delivery before
the end of the month.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Going back to the windscreen...
...and it's Mitchells Renault to the rescue, again. 2 in stock at Renault UK - £120+VAT.
That's cheaper than Autoglass, who incidentally didn't want to honour their written
quote, £147 all in, and preferred to try extracting another 20 quid. That behaviour
adds them to my list of companies I'll avoid at all costs.
So, win win, with a genuine Renault screen :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good news that Steve. Is your screen tinted? Some fives had different tinted glass, either a green or slight yellow if I remember correctly? Have you managed to obtain any new seals?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Good news that Steve. Is your screen tinted? Some fives had different tinted glass, either a green or slight yellow if I remember correctly? Have you managed to obtain any new seals?
Happily, I'm going to be able to re-use the originals. The guy who took out the
existing screen was keen to preserve the originals because they're much better
at waterproofing. Seems he was right, considering the screen was original and
there was only surface rust behind them. The screen is green tinted. The only
other piece I need is the clip that covers the seal ends, which I've ordered from
Mike.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That's a big bonus as the seals are non existent!:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
This box arrived in the post today...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cz153wwjb/r5gt15033.jpg
I was amazed by this demo video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1P4L7TwV9Q
...where I've seen others cover entire areas, it seems that's a waste. Inside
the front doors, what we'll do is place two mats centrally over one aperture,
with one mat overlapping the other by two or three inches. In the bigger
spaces, we'll place mats side by side with another across the centre of both.
That'll probably become clearer once we get some pictures.
We discussed this round at the workshop and reckoned that by covering the
entire area there was a possibility of creating another "membrane". These
sheets are only meant to take the resonance out of the sheet metal.
So, onto the car, where much work has taken place. The roof is now stripped
of paint and there's been some minor welding work done. Also, a lot more
rubbing down. I'll let the pictures take up the story...
http://s5.postimg.cc/i1dvkygfr/r5gt15034.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/yy2yddnzr/r5gt15035.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/455n92k6v/r5gt15036.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/e6ahidx9z/r5gt15037.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xcs9zb35j/r5gt15038.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6wowzoipj/r5gt15039.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5hrxop707/r5gt15040.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pg37dc2bb/r5gt15041.jpg
This inside the driver's side door shut, that troublesome area all tidy! The
door has been removed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wojfgd4fr/r5gt15042.jpg
Some remedial strengthening was done to this rear bumper mount...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6u9mql4fr/r5gt15043.jpg
Now the tailgate. This is mid rust-treatment process, using the Bilt-Hamber
protection pair. I asked Jason for his thoughts, as its his first use of these
and both he and Lee are impressed with it.
One point of mirth came when I asked Lee if he was enjoying the task. Back
came a forthright: No! - which gave him away, instantly :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/kx0m2og53/r5gt15044.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/tk8rjknnb/r5gt15045.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/l5t4vhmlz/r5gt15046.jpg
Now to the windscreen surround, all tidied-up and ready for its blanking panel.
These guys prefer card to plastic sheets.
http://s5.postimg.cc/70nbtodkn/r5gt15047.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ohwhlwkon/r5gt15048.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xgr5coeyf/r5gt15049.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/9j90uczav/r5gt15050.jpg
This is the roof, with the aerial removed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6dof45gon/r5gt15051.jpg
My first call into the workshop was on my way to Mitchells Renault to pay for
my new windscreen, where I got a bit of a surprise. It was there, behind the
desk so I took this picture while Paul was preparing the paperwork.
http://s5.postimg.cc/3ma7anohj/r5gt15052.jpg
Did you notice that ring? Well, the screen came complete with both the main
fitting seals. Autoglass wanted another £100 for these if added! Even Mike at
GT Turbo Spares charges £50 for each piece.
So, called into the workshop on my way back to share the good news and in
that time, the screen had received its blanking plate...
http://s5.postimg.cc/xfh7j9d4n/r5gt15053.jpg
So far, there have been a couple of occasions where going to the main
Renault dealers has paid off, handsomely! There's a tangible buzz around this
restoration now :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I love reading this thread! The car is coming along well. The sheeting you linked a video on, is impressive. Very impressive actually. Makes your car heavier though;)
Great result on the windscreen with it having the two main seals included! Am tempted to buy the other one and get it popped in my parts stash.
So what's the guesstimate for getting some paint on your car?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
how much did the genuine screen cost?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That's great news on the screen! Also the sound deadening sheets. I probably need to do this to mine :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
You still need middle seal as only two come with screen but your old one should be ok.
Progress looks great.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Coming along nicely. I can't beieve how little rot there is on it!
Interior plastics have come up well, I'll have to have a look into that ADS plastic restorer you used, looks like it does a good job. :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Coming along very nicely Steve, great work! :agree: :).
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Cars looking very good by the way Steve! Loving the progress pics and looking forward to seeing it in primer next!!
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Many thanks for the kind comments guys :niceone:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LiamR
I love reading this thread! The car is coming along well. The sheeting you linked a video on, is impressive. Very impressive actually. Makes your car heavier though;)
Yes, if you add it wall to wall, but by taking the selective approach and doing a
controlled double-up, I doubt that we'll add more than 3 kilos overall. I've seen
others "carpet" their metal and wondered if it was worth it. I was very, very
surprised when that second shelf was turned in that video. However, when
you think about the physics of percussion, it makes sense.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LiamR
So what's the guesstimate for getting some paint on your car?
Well, it's in primer next week, then it's engine out, but we're ahead of schedule.
Completion date is intended to be 1st April and I cannot wait!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
robx1r
how much did the genuine screen cost?
See Post # 261
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Jimmy5
You still need middle seal as only two come with screen but your old one should be ok.
In fact, I think I was in the happy position of being able to re-use all the original
seals. The guy who took the screen out has cautioned against using any seals
that aren't Renault original because it's a one-way ticket to the surround rusting!
So, finding these seals provided was just a lucky bonus!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matty
I'll have to have a look into that ADS plastic restorer you used, looks like it does a good job
Sadly, it looks like the review I did on DW has caused a rush and Matt the EU
distributor is now awaiting new stock from the Far East.
Regards,
Steve
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A Few More Pictures
Hello Folks,
So, the car has been moved back to #1 Studio...
http://s5.postimg.cc/pgcuo6y0n/r5gt15054.jpg
The passenger side door being prepared...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9817sgek7/r5gt15055.jpg
Now, round the rest of the car...
http://s5.postimg.cc/sohc18kaf/r5gt15056.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/j1dtrirav/r5gt15057.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mjptnws6v/r5gt15058.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bf5ggdjuf/r5gt15059.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d5ohhv1dj/r5gt15060.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/7k22dt0on/r5gt15061.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d9iay46uv/r5gt15062.jpg
Next stage is some Bilt Hamber anti-rust primer, then an etch primer, then
stage after stage until it has been blocked and primed once more. Sounds
like a week or three more of painstaking work...
...then it's back over to Karl for him to work his magic. I think he's already
aware of how high his brother and Jason have set the bar. His biggest task
will be the 1980's Renault electrics, starting with the "connector of doom"!
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looks like a delorean with all that bare metal showing. Maybe you should just lacquer it and keep it like that! :)
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R5GTT Restoration Part 5 - YouTube
Hello Folks,
Part 5 sees the car get a basic detail, visit Snetterton Racecourse and get taken
back into the workshop to get its glass and body-trims removed...
http://youtu.be/F5UhiSyMfFM
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great film again Steve, Dont think id would know where to start to make one on my car lol. Looking ofrward to the next installment :agree: :).
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
I've not set eyes on the car in nearly 3 weeks. However, I'm told that it
will probably be in primer by the end of next week, with the engine coming
out the week after. That doesn't mean that there's been no progress though.
Detachable parts like the doors and front bumper have been fettled...
Front bumper...
http://s5.postimg.cc/l47r995tj/r5gt15077.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qr446q8c7/r5gt15081.jpg
Passenger door...
http://s5.postimg.cc/qbsudpmev/r5gt15078.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/g844hk5o7/r5gt15082.jpg
Rear door...
http://s5.postimg.cc/jmmaxp12v/r5gt15079.jpg
Some inner seam treatment...
http://s5.postimg.cc/bky2fsibb/r5gt15080.jpg
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there's more plastics cleaning to do. This time
its the rear speaker pods and parcel shelf bracket...
This won't pass muster!
http://s5.postimg.cc/855y68l2v/r5gt15083.jpg
Much better...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cyuaou6yf/r5gt15084.jpg
...and a kinda 50/50
http://s5.postimg.cc/g9e2az7hz/r5gt15085.jpg
This led to another train of thought. With new door trims, and indeed a new driver's
door, I'm thinking about the paper speaker bellows. Time for an upgrade? Well, with
some sound deadening in the body panels, there should be the opportunity of better
sounds, so maybe time to invest in some nice speakers.
A few days later...
http://s5.postimg.cc/anw8knw6v/r5gt15086.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nzpftuz7b/r5gt15087.jpg
Now it came to fitting the pesky things! Much, much easier said than done.
I didn't want it to necessarily show that there are new speakers installed, so
it meant that the loose bracket and its 4 keeper plates had to be lined-up.
Then it was a question of lining everything up with the existing holes in the
pods. The only way to do that successfully was to insert three of the four
securing screws the wrong way round.
Then I found that my self-tappers were about 2mm too short! Grrrrrr...
What I also found was that it was harder to place the keeper plates with the
keeper thread at the back, and that they stay in place during assembly.
When you have gammy hands, things like this can become quite a challenge!
Twice, I had to start from scratch because one or more keeper slipped off.
Definitely a job for blu-tack!
After much blue language, especially when I lost grip of the screwdriver, here
are the assemblies...
http://s5.postimg.cc/7844b3yyf/r5gt15088.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/75k8o9vav/r5gt15089.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6hbe5bwl3/r5gt15090.jpg
The speakers are entirely secure, with the screws making sure that the back
of the keeper plates don't go anywhere. What I'll do is cover the screw ends,
and with them not projecting too far, that'll be a simpler job.
http://s5.postimg.cc/ag8lo5l87/r5gt15091.jpg
The Philips radio cassette already in the car was a decent unit for its day,
so I'm looking forward to hearing the sound from these speakers. For the
front speakers, I went round to see Jason today because there was a fear
of the replacements being too deep.
Looking at the speaker still in the scrap door, it looks the 46mm depth of the
new speakers will be okay. The existing speakers sit in a cradle that stand it
proud for at least 25mm. I'll be going back tomorrow to confirm this after the
existing securing rivets have been drilled out.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Attention to detail is staggering Steve as always!;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looks great. Double check the screen seals. They come with the rear seal and inner. Not the outer seal. You will need to buy that separately.
Si
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Si,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
mingblus3
Double check the screen seals. They come with the rear seal and inner. Not the outer seal. You will need to buy that separately.
It looks like I have quite a choice of seals. The guy who took out the screen was
careful enough to preserve everything and made a point of saying the originals be
kept. So, when he comes back to re-fit the screen, he'll take his choice. The point
he was emphasising was that many after-market seals tend to block the drain holes
and should be avoided. To see seals included with the pack from the Renault dealer
was just an unexpected, but welcome, surprise.
Oh, and if anyone wants the little plastic cover that goes over the seal joint, pop
down to your dealer, he'll charge you the princely sum of: just fifty-eight Pence!!
http://s5.postimg.cc/7g1eih5mf/r5gt15092.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I really can't wait to see the results from this project. :agree:
Attention to detail is amazing :eek:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
What I don't understand is why the holes are there. When I removed my screen there were 2 small plastic lugs filling the holes. When I discussed this with the body shop it was decided they were pointless. The inner seal and also the rubber glue blocks the holes anyway..
The screen was factory and the plugs the same, I would say these were to seal rather than to drain.
The other seal is still avail from Renault pic attached better to have a new one rather than the old and the correct style
Si
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That's some luck with the windscreen fittings. :agree: Bare mental body work was a wise move to. :cool: If you put two same cars painted by same person next to each other with one being bare mental job, the differences is night and day! :agree::cool:
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Hello Folks,
Remember this..?
http://s5.postimg.cc/g79ugg46v/r5gtt14229.jpg
...and this..?
http://s5.postimg.cc/gni27qw8n/r5gtt14281.jpg
...and my plans for using this?
http://s5.postimg.cc/bbxd3d7w7/r5gtt14266.jpg
Well, a trip to Aylsham today and I brought back these...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6zgse10af/r5gt15093.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/e6n2nn0l3/r5gt15094.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/c0o6fe7qv/r5gt15095.jpg
With a small mod made...
http://s5.postimg.cc/553xwad9z/r5gt15096.jpg
One of the rear door cards...
http://s5.postimg.cc/pgb74ug8n/r5gt15097.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ahssaf16f/r5gt15098.jpg
...with a close-up of the rather smart stitching :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/fzpzbylrr/r5gt15099.jpg
The driver's side door card...
http://s5.postimg.cc/40eh4ng6v/r5gt15100.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4onbnlewn/r5gt15101.jpg
...with more exquisite stitching
http://s5.postimg.cc/pclz2c053/r5gt15102.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cjxv2eojb/r5gt15103.jpg
Two views with the top panel attached but the passenger side door pocket
laid on to give an idea of the finished article.
http://s5.postimg.cc/k2h0b1fw7/r5gt15104.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qu7fdw4vr/r5gt15105.jpg
When I first mentioned doing this to Karl and Jason all those weeks ago, the
response I got was a bit muted. I'm fairly sure they thought I'd go over the
top, with too much red! We did play a little today, to see what the top panels
might look like if also covered but that was very soon dropped. We couldn't
continue it into the rear anyway, even if it did suit the front. Anyway, on my
return I popped round to show them, and got an instant seal of approval.
The trimming was done by Paul Moore in Aylsham and he's done me proud! As
you can expect, it wasn't cheap, but it was money in fair words. Needless to
say, I'm totally thrilled and my thanks go to him for completing the job on time
and on budget :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
The red trim sections work really well. :agree: :cool:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I think that's stunning and the design really suits the period of the car! In fact, if Renault wanted to improve the gt at design I would imagine something like this!;)
Really well done Steve. Excellent :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Cheers guys - these red touches, in a car with grey carpet are just what I was
looking for. Matt, that's praise indeed! Thanks.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
They look really good. Nice work on the stitching.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Having fetched the correct door pocket and given it a good clean, here's a
proper mock up of the finished door card. I cannot attach it as the torx screws
go directly into the door...
http://s5.postimg.cc/awq9y7iyf/r5gt15106.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/al8tlg2if/r5gt15107.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/dtdayhos7/r5gt15108.jpg
One thing that is amazing with proper leather, it's an absolute nightmare to
cut into. You don't just need a very sharp knife! There are a few more small
holes to cut yet...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
More work on the doors.
This is the new driver's side door, given the once over after coming out of
its factory wrapper. A quick primer coat and then much blocking work later
reveals a number of high points and some pin-prick dings.
http://s5.postimg.cc/4a87irqnr/r5gt15109.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vm3gk3vef/r5gt15110.jpg
Here it is next in line for its second blocking...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3pt6g2xfb/r5gt15114.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5t3lnqx87/r5gt15111.jpg
This is the passenger side, mid-way through its second blocking. With some
"blacking" applied, the process of checking and re-checking for low points
goes on. The methodical and meticulous approach toward getting a perfect
surface is just astonishing!
http://s5.postimg.cc/4cs35lubb/r5gt15112.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pdi4qixtj/r5gt15113.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
The doors are a particular pain on these cars as the metal is so thin. :eek: I've just had a door painted to perfection and being black it had to be perfect. It took the body shop 1.5 days to get it straight prior to paint.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That will explain why I still have ripples in my doors! Obviously the body shop couldn't be arsed with them:(
Looking good Pete! Can't wait to see the finished article:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Love that interior mate . Nice job
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
While I'm complaining about parts replacement costs, occasionally you do
get a relative bargain, like these from mister-auto, delivered from Belgium...
http://s5.postimg.cc/vq7udyugn/r5gt15115.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/tmxf6aunr/r5gt15116.jpg
Interesting that one is made in Italy, the other in China :dearme:
Karl has assured me that the existing drive shafts are okay, so I've bought
these boots to refurb them and sell them on...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4i6esvv7b/r5gt15117.jpg
I'm assured that the engine is due for removal in the coming week. So,
maybe there will be a better flow of pictures than recently.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Never seen new shafts for years!:(
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Steve
Projects looking good, can't wait to see the finished pics!
The passenger side shaft doesn't look as thick as it possibly should? Drivers side looks right!? Might be worth comparing before you sell the original passenger side shaft?
Keep up the good work!
Cheers
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Nice work Steve, out of interest how much were the new driveshafts from Mister Auto? Need a pair for the raider as keep knocking on corners and roundabouts. :agree: :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Driver's side
Pax Side
£57 each...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Many thanks Steve, £114 delivered for a pair is pretty good. Do they fit ok, have you
got them on the 5 yet? :agree: :)
Regards
Karl.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Are they solid or hollow?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
£114 delivered for a pair is pretty good.
That's why I've not let them pass. I've not seen new ones available elsewhere either.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Do they fit ok, have you got them on the 5 yet?
Well, SKF are a renown bearings manufacturer, so I guess they'll fit. They won't be
going on to the 5 until I get the sub-frame back. However, Karl will be doing a good
comparison check well before that...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt_S
Are they solid or hollow?
From the weight of them, I'd say solid.
As for the differences in diameter, the guys don't see that as a potential problem, many
other drive-shaft pairs apparently don't match either. Something to do with torque transfer
ratio differences, whatever they are. Maybe, finer diameter for shorter length, at a guess ;)
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Surprised there is no surcharge on these items, they are still available from SKF.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bigfoot
Surprised there is no surcharge on these items, they are still available from SKF.
Dale, are these OEM pieces then? Why would there be a surcharge?
It looks like they were standard across the range and fitted a few
early Clio and Megane models too.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Surcharge normally for refurbs. Which is what I thought these were, especially if they're solid.
No balance weight on the long shaft though?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looking at the SKF automotive catalogue, it looks like there are several parts that
are still available for the R5, just need to find a distributor with stock, I guess...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Thanks Steve, I need to get a pair ordered and for that money seem a bargain, SKF has a great reputation in the world of bearings espicially in terms of quality. Do the shafts appear the same thickness of the driveshafts on the car? Need to buy some just know that I wont be fitting them straight away being the only issue as struggling to find time at the moment.
Regards
Karl. :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
SKF has a great reputation in the world of bearings espicially in terms of quality.
Well, they were fitted to 60 tonne rail wagons as well as many locos, and I never
saw a failure :niceone: With their reputation, I don't think I'll be too bothered by
minor differences, as long as they fit. I've no reason to doubt that they will.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Do the shafts appear the same thickness of the driveshafts on the car?
I'll be able to answer that better once I've been in to see how Karl has got on with
taking the engine out. I'm hoping that we'll get the subframe off to the powder-coaters
very soon.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
If the bearings are good enough for 60 tonne wagons and loco's then they'll be just fine on a 5. Reminds me of my time working for an industry specific railway publication and attending Railtex in London a couple of years ago! lol. Ok cool, please let me know.
Regards
Karl. :agree: :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Do the shafts appear the same thickness of the driveshafts on the car?
Answer = more or less, at least at first sight. Karl will be doing some measuring,
but like you, we trust the brand...
Regards,
Steve
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Starter Motor Heat Shield
Hello Folks,
Can you guys give an indication of what you're using as heat shields for the
starter motor? Cheers.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I am using a genuine Renault heat shield. Are these no longer available?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LiamR
I am using a genuine Renault heat shield. Are these no longer available?
Apparently not - a part #, but no part... :(
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That is annoying. Fabricate something out of stainless that will bolt to existing mounting points maybe?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LiamR
I am using a genuine Renault heat shield. Are these no longer available?
I pulled my motor two weeks ago. The starter heat shield looked less healthy than some soggy old cardboard outside for 6 months...
I googled it. Found them on CGB. £35. Bought and paid for. Refunded 3 days later (bank holiday).
Mike had one at £95.
Asked Renault. NLA. Not even the Campus one.
Googled again. Found one. £35. Bought it. Refunded two days later.
Decided to bite the bullet with Mikes. He doesn't have them either.
I have a couple more avenues. But not looking good. :dearme::eek::cry:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt_S
I have a couple more avenues. But not looking good.
We have a few metal fabricators in Lowie; seems like there might be a demand
for more than one. I'll make a few enquiries...
Is the HP Starter Shield a viable alternative? It seems very expensive...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Making the best of Thursday's sunshine. Man at work: Karl slowly taking
the engine bay apart...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9177rja5z/r5gt15118.jpg
...all of a sudden, there's bags of room under the bonnet...
http://s5.postimg.cc/806z2et6f/r5gt15119.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/x7hv2nwaf/r5gt15120.jpg
There's some rusting around the subframe bolts which Karl has "lubricated"
ready for Monday.
http://s5.postimg.cc/5t2qehnw7/r5gt15121.jpg
The extent to which the starter motor heat shield has deteriorated :(
http://s5.postimg.cc/vtq87cx13/r5gt15122.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/e4yhfql9z/r5gt15123.jpg
More plastic pieces collected, ready for a good clean...
http://s5.postimg.cc/uxtqrwncn/r5gt15124.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ao10qiblj/r5gt15125.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/z8d018htj/r5gt15126.jpg
This last series of pictures illustrate the turbo heat shield that I'm hoping
I can renovate. If anyone has ideas on things like heat-resistant adhesives
and aluminium tape to use, I'm open to ideas.
http://s5.postimg.cc/svxureerb/r5gt15127.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/dgpmwsmk7/r5gt15128.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/gjuydwqwn/r5gt15129.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/t4vfhbrjr/r5gt15130.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5rxdytbg7/r5gt15131.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/iadzfe8fr/r5gt15132.jpg
Apparently, aluminium tape shrinks a bit when subjected to heat.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Buy a new turbo heat-shield.
Your starter heatshield look better than mine!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
We have a few metal fabricators in Lowie; seems like there might be a demand
for more than one. I'll make a few enquiries...
Is the
HP Starter Shield a viable alternative? It seems very expensive...
Regards,
Steve
That link may be my best option. I have a brother who can fab but I don't have a good shield for him to copy and I can't get the engine to him for mocking up.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Do you have the part number for the starter heat shield at all?
I have it, but want to double check!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt_S
Buy a new turbo heat-shield.
Ouch, but done...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt_S
Your starter heatshield look better than mine!
Do you want me to send it to you as a pattern?
Eventually, I settled on this from eBay. Tomorrow, I'm going to taking the gearbox
for a beadblast, and I'll probably be taking the exhaust manifold for wrapping too.
Regards,
Steve
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A Bit of Cleaning Later...
...After a Meeting with the Magic Sponge
Hello Folks,
It took an age for them to arrive from China, but my bag of magic sponges
have been invaluable when dealing with very dirty plastics from under the
car's bonnet. We start with air intake duct and a 50/50 of the warning label.
I had already attempted one clean before I resorted to the sponge. It was
barely readable before I started.
Before...
http://s5.postimg.cc/z8d018htj/r5gt15126.jpg
50/50...
http://s5.postimg.cc/61dsr2ypj/r5gt15133.jpg
After...
http://s5.postimg.cc/jwc39jt4n/r5gt15134.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/52xfosldj/r5gt15135.jpg
The telephone hose.
Before...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ivbukfc53/r5gt15136.jpg
After...
http://s5.postimg.cc/xh2v8o8xj/r5gt15137.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6xaa6j8dz/r5gt15138.jpg
Another air guide...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6blbafdbr/r5gt15139.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/dp0p9dxdj/r5gt15140.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qug7fhr93/r5gt15141.jpg
The radiator trim. This was very grubby and it took two goes before I was
happy with it.
Before...
http://s5.postimg.cc/p5747fbjr/r5gt15142.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/jot1qs7jr/r5gt15143.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/o4bgw1jxz/r5gt15144.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pxedkd54n/r5gt15145.jpg
The slowly disintegrating magic sponge, and a glimpse of what I was fetching
off the plastics. The best bit about this? No harsh chemicals, just some warm
water...
http://s5.postimg.cc/88mmsqtdj/r5gt15146.jpg
Another cowling piece, this is the underside...
http://s5.postimg.cc/yak2f14c7/r5gt15147.jpg
...and the top...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5sktewbav/r5gt15148.jpg
Those coming to my detailing day will be able to pick up a brand new product
that I'm trialling. Coming from the ADS stable, it currently goes by the
acronym of H2O-S. With it being a spray-on coating, I thought I'd give the
very fine spray head a try on the two of these pieces. I'm not going to buff
this until it has fully dried.
This is just after spraying...
http://s5.postimg.cc/k0ai3jnzr/r5gt15149.jpg
...and this is about 10 to 15 minutes later...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mk64xnbjr/r5gt15150.jpg
Overall, not a bad result for about 20 minutes of cleaning, even if I say so
myself :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
The following morning and a quick further buffing, leaves me with this to take
back to the workshop...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5j5bpdlx3/r5gt15151.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5008g3uif/r5gt15152.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4eb9jzzg7/r5gt15153.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/u4r8tityv/r5gt15154.jpg
There's been a bit more painting done in the hidden places on the car. The
roof has also had its initial blocking completed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/8i76fdp2v/r5gt15155.jpg
An empty engine bay...
http://s5.postimg.cc/uy3um4zzr/r5gt15156.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/g4p71ds8n/r5gt15157.jpg
Unlike the new driveshafts, both of the originals have the same shaft diameter
of 35mm...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wc02v6omv/r5gt15160.jpg
Sorry for the camera-shake on this one...
http://s5.postimg.cc/z5ymuw1fb/r5gt15158.jpg
There's a fair bit of cleaning work to do on the outside of the engine, before
the head gets removed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/m86rlaiif/r5gt15159.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/58xt617av/r5gt15161.jpg
The gearbox is now loaded for delivery to the bead-blaster...
http://s5.postimg.cc/720pucshj/r5gt15162.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/c3cp9gpbr/r5gt15163.jpg
The whole of the water-pump housing is also being treated, so all the aluminium,
apart from the head, will look refurbished...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6qnuvc1fb/r5gt15164.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ggb8rvy2f/r5gt15165.jpg
More booty! The replacement turbo heat shield and a new oil-feed pipe
arrived today, along with a starter heat shield...
http://s5.postimg.cc/a3w3i1v07/r5gt15166.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/s45amfn7b/r5gt15167.jpg
One thing that outwardly looks in a bit of a poor way is the fuel pressure regulator.
Is it worth spending £50+ on a new one at this stage?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Nice work on the Heat Shields and Plastics. Looking really good. As for the FPR, they can fail, but it's not that common. I'd be very tempted. If you have the cash and you want the OE look, it's probably worth it?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good work Steve, so take it the driveshafts you bought from Mister Auto are not right? what were the diameters on the new ones you bought? Was just about to buy some...
Regards
Karl. :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I've seen multiple stories of failed fpr's here in the Netherlands so wouldn't say it's uncommon
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Karl,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Good work Steve, so take it the driveshafts you bought from Mister Auto are not right? what were the diameters on the new ones you bought? Was just about to buy some...
Well, the diameters on the new ones are not the same on each side. Apparently, that's
not uncommon these days, so I won't say the new ones are "wrong" as such. I'll
still be fitting them. I trust in the SKF name enough to not be too bothered. There
won't be any centrifugal force upset, indeed, there'll be a bit of a weight saving.
As for the FPR, well, I chatted to the guy selling them and there might be a problem.
The fuel line to the carburettor on the R5GTT is 6mm internal diameter, whereas on
the replacement FPR the connectors are 8mm. He assures me that he's sold many of
these in the past and not had one returned because it couldn't be fitted.
I'm a bit concerned about this because I'm obviously relying on Karl to do the fitting
for me. I'm not keen on straying from keeping things simple. Bearing in mind the quite
parlous state of the original, I've ordered one in the hope we can resolve this easily.
If anyone else has encountered this, I'd be pleased to hear of your solution...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Can I ask why it is it that you're not just fitting a new water pump?
Great work on the plastics.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt_S
Can I ask why it is it that you're not just fitting a new water pump?
Great work on the plastics.
Cheers Matt, these magic sponges are amazing. I'm giving a couple to everyone
who attends my detailing day on Saturday. The water pump is new, it was only
replaced last April - it's the pump backing plate that mostly needs the bead treatment.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Ah I see.
Yes I did see the thread about the valet day.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Cheers Karl,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Found oe heatshield Steve ;)
I see that it's already at silly money :( This when you think that I can buy one for
a 1990 Aston Martin for....
...wait for it....
just 18 of our British Pounds :confused:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Tutuur
I've seen multiple stories of failed fpr's here in the Netherlands so wouldn't say it's uncommon
I know that Scoff used run two in parallel on his old C1J as he was paranoid that one might fail. Not sure how much the Malpassi ones are, but they're pretty good quality and a credible alternative to OE.
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A Bit More Progress and Expense :)
Hello Folks,
I took my exhaust manifold and downpipe to Fast Eddys in Naaaaarch, for a bit
of help to stay hot...
http://s5.postimg.cc/oiwk0qcdz/r5gt15168.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qsg2xqvxz/r5gt15169.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/oue0dhstz/r5gt15170.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/sa1j9b0on/r5gt15173.jpg
That web in the casting across to the turbo mount proved to be a bit of a problem...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ufvu3t453/r5gt15171.jpg
...mostly as witnessed here. Trying to trap a piece across without it fraying to pieces
proved too difficult :(
http://s5.postimg.cc/y0rpn18on/r5gt15172.jpg
The new FPR has arrived...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6z3z51ik7/r5gt15174.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/79bhodx6f/r5gt15175.jpg
Thankfully, there was just a shrug of acceptance from Karl; I did say he was a man
of few words :)
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Without going too far off topic I thought I would upload some photos of an aftermarket starter motor heatshield. If that is of interest I can find the supplier, looks fairly simple to make one up though. Perhaps a group buy could be arranged and we can stock in the club shop?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lewis
Without going too far off topic I thought I would upload some photos of an aftermarket starter motor heatshield. If that is of interest I can find the supplier, looks fairly simple to make one up though. Perhaps a group buy could be arranged and we can stock in the club shop?
Fitting one of those looks like you mean it! :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lewis
Without going too far off topic I thought I would upload some photos of an aftermarket starter motor heatshield. If that is of interest I can find the supplier, looks fairly simple to make one up though. Perhaps a group buy could be arranged and we can stock in the club shop?
That looks great, be interested to know if that works still with being metal rather than the material the original one is made from.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bigfoot
That looks great, be interested to know if that works still with being metal rather than the material the original one is made from.
Well, the thickness of the OE one means that there's little or no air gap below,
or between it and the starter. With the stainless steel one there is sufficient gap
to allow an air-flow, so it should be just as effective. It certainly won't disintegrate!
Regards,
Steve
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Feast your eyes, guys, feast your eyes...
...upon some serious detailing results :niceone:
Hello Folks,
Remember this..?
http://s5.postimg.cc/720pucshj/r5gt15162.jpg
Well, it now looks like this...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wmdkee7g7/r5gt15182.jpg
A bit of camera shake here, I'll re-take this in the morning, before I deliver it
back to Karl...
http://s5.postimg.cc/zf26koiev/r5gt15183.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xlz9wcx87/r5gt15184.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/l28qmcyev/r5gt15176.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/c8hu59bg7/r5gt15177.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cvgqus8c7/r5gt15178.jpg
Remember the water-pump backing plate? So, from this...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6qnuvc1fb/r5gt15164.jpg
to this...
http://s5.postimg.cc/l4sm9722f/r5gt15179.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/a03nnx4c7/r5gt15180.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/57tuch9o7/r5gt15181.jpg
All the cleaning here done by Darren from Suffolk Blast Clean :niceone:
Now, I have a dilemma. I bought a brand new Valeo water-pump last year
for loadsamoney. It's already looking a bit worse for wear, though that isn't
surprising, bearing in mind just how mucky the cooling system was. I got a
'phone call from Darren last Saturday, telling me he was fearful of not getting
glass beads out of the pump bearings and told me I could replace the pump
for less than he'd charge me for cleaning the Valeo one :eek:
So, do I go with a new 18 quid CGBMotorsport special, or stick to my Valeo
one, even if it isn't quite as clean? One will obviously stay as a spare.
Decisions, decisions!
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That gearbox looks awesome! Easily mistaken for new if you didn't know. :cool:
Car coming long nicely, keep the pictures coming. :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bigfoot
That looks great, be interested to know if that works still with being metal rather than the material the original one is made from.
https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...-text=&act=url
Found the supplier for the starter heatshield, listed at €45. A bargain considering the genuine one went for £120.99 on eBay last night!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lewis
Would members be interested in these if we could obtain for the club shop?
(doesn't help you Steve, sorry! :crap:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That gear box is immaculate! Good find on the cleaning firm Steve. Seem to do a brilliant job.:agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Would members be interested in these if we could obtain for the club shop?
(doesn't help you Steve, sorry! :crap:
Yes, but it is time dependent. Can we obtain them before May 15th?
Can they be retro-fitted, or is it only when the engine comes out?
As for someone paying £127 for one from CGB last night, what were they
thinking? (Don't forget the postage) Their normal price was £95 and that
was already way too much, despite including the postage!
I have very mixed feelings about next Sunday's "For the Love of Cars". Whilst it will
no doubt push up the price of R5GTTs complete (at least OE ones) it'll also embolden
parts suppliers to ask for even greater sums, even for worn tat! It looks like our
hobby is turning from happy boosting into a cheque-book sport :(:cry:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Thanks for the kind comments about the gearbox guys. The next stage is to mask-off
the steel end-cap and repaint it. Then the whole lot will get a blow over with a
satin laquer that should slow down any discolouration. Once re-installed, there _will_
be an undertray fitted, even if we have to fabricate one.
http://s5.postimg.cc/6v9qsy8mv/r5gt15189.jpg
Another small haul of goodies arrives...
http://s5.postimg.cc/42gj8x8af/r5gt15188.jpg
Now back to the water-pump dilemma. This is theValeo one that was fitted new this
time last year...
http://s5.postimg.cc/7d4w8sy7r/r5gt15185.jpg
I couldn't get it blasted because of fears around the beads getting into the bearings :(
So, for the same price as a blasting, here comes a potential replacement. No apparent
outward difference, apart from being clean...
http://s5.postimg.cc/u0k5eydrr/r5gt15186.jpg
It's when you turn them over that the real source of the dilemma reveals itself...
http://s5.postimg.cc/fsugqb12v/r5gt15187.jpg
The impeller on the Valeo pump looks like it'll pump twice as much water as the other
one. Could that be why the water was staying too cool when I was running the car?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
The thermostat controls the water temp, the water pump has not effect on this apart from speed of water running around the hoses.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bigfoot
The thermostat controls the water temp, the water pump has not effect on this apart from speed of water running around the hoses.
I'm not unaware of that, but could it be being pumped around too fast?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Another parcel arrived today. With my new speakers going in, I thought I'd go
for some more modern equipment to drive them. Nothing over the top mind,
but at least a bit easier to use than a tape-deck. Quite apart from all that,
the original radio has a loose button, so I'm looking to "retire" it before it drops
out and gets lost. The set will still be kept!
So, for me with my gammy hands, an early CD player gives me more playing
options. Then came the fun of finding one. Oh my goodness, the range of
styles is phenomenal, but I hope I've made the right choice. Here it is...
http://s5.postimg.cc/a8mkterlj/r5gt15190.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pimg0ln3r/r5gt15191.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xpj15x2k7/r5gt15192.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lewis
Did any read the translated description? Awesome!
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I would go with the new water pump Steve. Unless your going for big power I can't see it making much difference. I would imagine the flow rate to still be adequate.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Woznaldo
Did any read the translated description? Awesome!
...and a one-off buy, forever!:niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
I would go with the new water pump Steve. Unless your going for big power I can't see it making much difference. I would imagine the flow rate to still be adequate.
Well, I'm hoping that I can clean up the Valeo pump. I've bought some stuff that
might help me achieve that. Watch this space...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
I've just collected a pile of photos taken by Karl during and after the process
of engine removal. They aren't in any particular order, but they were mostly
taken as an aide memoire of the re-assembly process. Quite apart from
finding the engine in very good condition, especially the water-ways in the
head, along with tight pistons and clean bores, there were nearly 50 pieces
that were sent to Aerocoat for powder coating.
http://s5.postimg.cc/lgq8r4oc7/r5gt15193k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/z7uptcd9z/r5gt15195k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cumz6jcc7/r5gt15196k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/uw644c6d3/r5gt15197k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wlalynwon/r5gt15198k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/whldw5gl3/r5gt15199k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/icazgli5z/r5gt15200k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/8iydhj5fb/r5gt15201k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6ogxm1t13/r5gt15202k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ucwfhbpkn/r5gt15203k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/fr5et2ss7/r5gt15204k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ghy4yuv5j/r5gt15205k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/kbrl80chj/r5gt15206k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/m2am9hu0n/r5gt15207k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wmkjs2yif/r5gt15208k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/iu64wg7qv/r5gt15209k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/470l11jqv/r5gt15210k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/my2ib7ebb/r5gt15211k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wu3lauk3b/r5gt15212k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/clg7p4ks7/r5gt15213k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5akpd04dz/r5gt15214k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/54709wv93/r5gt15215k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d8f4enho7/r5gt15216k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3mljycqif/r5gt15217k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/toee6wc3b/r5gt15218k.jpg
The condition of the head, and even the original head gasket, were just a
source of sheer joy! This is bearing in mind the muck that was drained from
the cooling system last year. It looks like the several flushes, including 2
involving dishwasher tablets, have done their work marvellously...
http://s5.postimg.cc/vwx61z8l3/r5gt15219k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vlfpp7s53/r5gt15220k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ei8cfym2f/r5gt15221k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bkbdm9eev/r5gt15222k.jpg
The block in its undercoat...
http://s5.postimg.cc/sjkc1ipmf/r5gt15223k.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/70z50qwjb/r5gt15224k.jpg
Sadly, it looks like no pictures of the removed engine sub-frame were taken
before also going to Aerocoat. Hopefully, the bits will be returned next week.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Good stuff Steve, that is a clean head, dishwasher tablet does the job ;). Original headgasket still fitted must be somewhat of a rarity! :agree: :)
Regards
Karl.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Karl,
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Original headgasket still fitted must be somewhat of a rarity!
What the photo doesn't show, and I find amazing, is that it looks almost in good
enough condition to put back in place! There's been so many pleasant surprises
with this car... :niceone:
BTW, I've pulled out of the retro-kings day. There's been a couple of unplanned bits
and bobs pop up recently, including Tia being poorly :(
There's a small possibility that I will make the Hexham Show on the 16th, fingers Xd.
Regards,
Steve
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Great work & progress Steve :agree: :).
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Hello Folks,
Finally, I've managed to secure a new engine bay wiring loom. This is another
of my rare French imports, considering where the car was built...
http://s5.postimg.cc/he25mg1tj/r5gt15250.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/jjwggy59z/r5gt15251.jpg
The dreaded "connector of doom!". At least if there are electrical issues when
the car is re-assembled, it'll be easier to track down which side of this
connector it is.
http://s5.postimg.cc/7e2nst16f/r5gt15252.jpg
Now, a variety of 1980's style electrical connectors. I guess this made for
easier identification of where each plug and socket went at original assembly...
http://s5.postimg.cc/sz7qgexx3/r5gt15253.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/edgps614n/r5gt15254.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lhyj178dz/r5gt15255.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/t1rm391kn/r5gt15256.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/q1armpq9j/r5gt15257.jpg
The engine bay will be repainted this week. Getting it back to a rolling shell
will be for next week, then a final push to get paint onto the body. It's time,
as we're way behind schedule...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
:agree::) Engine loom looks spot on Steve.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Is the loom one of the 'remade' one that I've seem recently, which I thought looked excellent as well btw.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Hoolio
Is the loom one of the 'remade' one that I've seem recently, which I thought looked excellent as well btw.
Yes, this is one that Julien was offering us via the RTOC Facebook group.
I think he also occasionally sells them on eBay.fr. I saw one there at a
similar price, but missed the "buy it now" by just a couple of seconds. :eek:
It should save Karl a few hours of wiring-up...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I've missed updates on this.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looks fantastic, mmm fresh tungy paint! :cool: :agree::agree:
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Hello Folks,
As promised, some closer views of the front, including fully painted bonnet hinges.
There's a clue in the first picture as to what's coming next...
http://s5.postimg.cc/opq759cxj/r5gt15273.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mvdcnipx3/r5gt15274.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/j97javjjr/r5gt15275.jpg
The subframe is being fitted, with the wishbone already attached on one side...
http://s5.postimg.cc/hqgqjn2d3/r5gt15270.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4858tm0tz/r5gt15271.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ftff1bmbb/r5gt15272.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/x1ly6iabb/r5gt15276.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6f9hhj647/r5gt15277.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/95iteq2t3/r5gt15278.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/rfzj2g9mf/r5gt15279.jpg
Now, having the engine bay lacquered makes sense. The shine on the tungy paint
matches that of the subframe. Thankfully, whatever rust was on that was only
surface grot, so it's looking superb. We won't be shining up the wishbone tops,
they've got a coat of anti-rust treatment which won't be removed.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
It's looking great. Top job. I love reading this thread!
Can see the green tint in the tungy on some of the pics. Love that!
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Hello Folks,
Progress is very slow at the moment, although I'm assured that the engine will be going
back in this week. That is if we can resolve the power steering fitment issues. :smokin:
Here we can see the new power steering rack beside the manual one...
http://s5.postimg.cc/oihrnmxfb/r5gt15280.jpg
At the bottom of this picture, one of the new steering rack bearings / clamps
is seen fitted. This required a quick drop of the subframe to get the bolt to
thread through from the back
http://s5.postimg.cc/w9yhm71kn/r5gt15281.jpg
The new brake master cylinder now fitted, with brake lines replaced, along
with some wiring...
http://s5.postimg.cc/su6dcn4c7/r5gt15282.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/l05rr8wjb/r5gt15283.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/siowzvnw7/r5gt15284.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nqaiap3uf/r5gt15285.jpg
3 photos that are slightly out of chrono order. The 2 steering racks compared, just after
arrival of the power rack from a Megane Coupé...
http://s5.postimg.cc/sbp62ttpz/r5gt15279a.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/70rlykblj/r5gt15279b.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/moxej3gl3/r5gt15279c.jpg
The various brackets and mounts from the powder coaters, all laid out...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cawkpuvuf/r5gt15286.jpg
More progress with the rack. Some steps forward, and a few back, though
so far, so good. The track rods on the new rack are too long and they have
a different thread on the ball joint fitting, so the existing parts from the
original cannot be transferred. Some different track rod ends will need to
sought as one has male threading and the originals have female sleeving :(
http://s5.postimg.cc/8d9b0g913/r5gt15287.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/omzh3cjp3/r5gt15288.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5s3qcxjnb/r5gt15289.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/crhscajlj/r5gt15290.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xpnyadjg7/r5gt15291.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3m9fifg6v/r5gt15292.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mtwkf0yif/r5gt15293.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/gnq2b5y9j/r5gt15294.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4kkqnln7b/r5gt15295.jpg
More bits are refitted to the engine block. Timing chain cover and sump...
http://s5.postimg.cc/qv8lnkkhj/r5gt15296.jpg
Water pump and pulley wheel...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4i0v0rjjr/r5gt15297.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/y643zp0vr/r5gt15298.jpg
Engine mount bracket...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mwbe4qvuf/r5gt15299.jpg
...with mount bearing attached...
http://s5.postimg.cc/v8755zt87/r5gt15300.jpg
More fittings replaced within the engine bay...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6k1cf0hiv/r5gt15301.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/yucyimzlj/r5gt15302.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/aldu6xkfr/r5gt15303.jpg
Now, have you been paying attention to the detail in these photos? Here's
two close-up clues for you...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6g7iyrc1j/r5gt15304.jpg
This picture is deliberately rotated 90 degrees...
http://s5.postimg.cc/zfxc1059z/r5gt15305.jpg
Now go back up and look at all the other bolts. If that's not a lovingly restored
piece of work I don't know what is. I thoroughly appreciate that level of
attention and care! :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work Steve, please PM me the contact no. of the guy involved as I mentioned last Wednesday night my raider needs abit of work soon so keen to pop down and have a chat. ;) :agree:
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Hello Folks,
Well, the engine is back in and from initial observations, it looks like there
will be plenty of space to accommodate the power steering rack. I'll let the
photos do the talking, with some occasional commentary.
One of the last pieces to go back in to the bay was the new fuel pressure
regulator, so, here it is fitted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5k7d8bauv/r5gt15306.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nx7yivlbr/r5gt15307.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ij96bbvlj/r5gt15308.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5mmnhep4n/r5gt15310.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nbee910vr/r5gt15311.jpg
Last minute preparations of the block, like fitment on lifting eyes. The original
one, newly powder-coated, will be refitted once the engine is back in...
http://s5.postimg.cc/lh6551393/r5gt15312.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nj6mja187/r5gt15313.jpg
Fitting the new clutch. For some reason the soft clutch adapter didn't fit,
though Karl reckons he can make some adjustments to make the clutch a
bit lighter...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wyhwiqtvb/r5gt15314.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/n3vcq9fav/r5gt15315.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bl0grn83b/r5gt15316.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cm0pgrp2v/r5gt15317.jpg
Block and gearbox re-united...
http://s5.postimg.cc/jzg3fq94n/r5gt15318.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/owto0ub3r/r5gt15319.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ctocda01j/r5gt15320.jpg
Engine protected from any stray bumps that could scratch the paintwork...
http://s5.postimg.cc/jnyn2yson/r5gt15321.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/z2xo63647/r5gt15322.jpg
Engine still held by the crane, while front engine mounts are fitted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5z9g9ui0n/r5gt15323.jpg
Looks like everything is well clear of the steering rack...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4ixxrpf3r/r5gt15324.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/kfwpof7hz/r5gt15325.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/92a6d7wzb/r5gt15326.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d55sq1ghj/r5gt15327.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nwyrre6k7/r5gt15328.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d8v0sjwl3/r5gt15329.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vxd2fvnhz/r5gt15330.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/iizzjugtz/r5gt15331.jpg
Quick adjustment to help insert the locating bolts...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9iqslwvcn/r5gt15332.jpg
The rear mount temporarily positioned. Sorry for the camera shake :(
http://s5.postimg.cc/6amb8v92v/r5gt15333.jpg
In this photo you can see the shadow of where the bracket was placed on its
host car. With it needing to be slid along almost an inch, the looped pipe needed
to be raised clear. The alternative was to shorten it, but that would have required
a bit of specialist work. Luckily, there was space to accommodate this quick
work-around...
http://s5.postimg.cc/kmaerigmv/r5gt15334.jpg
The rear engine mount is a composite of 3 interlocking pieces and each piece
had to be fitted over its top securing bolt before the whole assembly could
be refitted. The piece seen in place in other photos had to be removed for
this to take place. There's a lot of patience required in this work!
http://s5.postimg.cc/hygd3ey7r/r5gt15335.jpg
Karl disconnecting the crane from the lifting chain. The engine is securely
back in its bay...
http://s5.postimg.cc/qs79kil6f/r5gt15336.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/e5wunoipj/r5gt15337.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pbvr2di9j/r5gt15338.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/40y6y4053/r5gt15339.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pjjdyvt87/r5gt15340.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3lmx53e7r/r5gt15341.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cup3f7n3r/r5gt15342.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/a9exdy8c7/r5gt15343.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xjt39mks7/r5gt15344.jpg
Rocker box refitted, temporarily, for a final tappet check to take place...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6kp8egybb/r5gt15345.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/95ut1znp3/r5gt15346.jpg
The original lifting eye re-fitted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/m8qfl9dx3/r5gt15347.jpg
We are now at a point where the car can be handed back to Jason for the
paint preparation to continue. He wants to do most of the blocking while the
car is on the hoist. As for the engine bay, I want to get in there with some
protective coatings whilst there is ready access to the painted and powder
coated pieces. We're avoiding doing that now, just in case there are any
potions that aren't bodyshop safe.
Karl in the meantime will be sourcing the pump for the steering, along with
bracket and electrical controls for a trial fit, ahead of removal once more
so the scuttle area can be painted.
I have to admit that the delays were causing me to lose interest in this
project for a short while. However, witnessing this progress, I've got that
silly smile on my face once more. The one I can't seem to get rid of :)
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Brilliant work. One small thing I would mention is......... I would have moved that new FPR to a more convenient place so you can adjust it as and when you need to - it'll be a pain doing it in that location. :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work, nothing like a freshly built shiny engine being dropped back in. :agree: :)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Alex
I would have moved that new FPR to a more convenient place so you can adjust it as and when you need to - it'll be a pain doing it in that location. :)
Alex - isn't the FPR a fit and forget fitment? How often am I likely to need
to get it adjusted? I'm assuming it comes adjusted out of the box. The
new one has been placed in more or less the same position as the old.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hi Steve. What you have there is an adjustable Malpassi regulator. You'll need to check the instructions to see what the base fuel pressure is (you'll need 4psi) If you're likely to be running more boost in the future you 'might' need to tweek it a bit. :)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Alex
You'll need to check the instructions to see what the base fuel pressure is (you'll need 4psi) If you're likely to be running more boost in the future you 'might' need to tweek it a bit. :)
This page on the Malpassi site says nothing more than a 1:1 ratio. 4psi seems very
low where in specs for other FPRs the range starts at 14psi. No matter, really.
As for extra boost, forget it, the engine is remaining as close to standard that
I can get it. I'm only going for light touch OEM+. The FPR in that circumstance is
a fit and forget item. The replacement is in the same position as the original
and I'm not sure about giving Karl extra work on this...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
4 psi is just base pressure Steve, it will raise with boost. If you run OE boost (~8 psi) the fuel pressure will be 12 psi. I imagine the standard setting is in the right ball park for OE boost.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Alex
4 psi is just base pressure Steve, it will raise with boost. If you run OE boost (~8 psi) the fuel pressure will be 12 psi. I imagine the standard setting is in the right ball park for OE boost.
Alex, I was given that assurance by the guy I bought it from and Karl didn't
raise an eyebrow when I presented it to him. I can't imagine any fiddling
with them in the factory, considering the care taken to calibrate them at
time of manufacture.
The only changes under the bonnet are a better air filter, some NGK plugs
and good leads. Now that the valves have been re-ground, it'll be premium
fuel only too. Probably the biggest change involves the power steering.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Haven't checked this thread in a while and i have to say woe!
What an amazing attention to detail! Only thing i can comment on is i hope the steering rack won't cause any vague behavior!
It's not only the rods that are longer, it's also the rack itself. So basically you've destroyed the geometry of the wishbone & track rod combination
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work Steve. Loving the rack!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Tutuur
It's not only the rods that are longer, it's also the rack itself. So basically you've destroyed the geometry of the wishbone & track rod combination
That sounds a bit scary!!:eek: However, with Karl I have a mechanic I can trust
and I have little doubt that he'll find a solution, if he can. I'll mention your
comment to him and see what he says...
Regards,
Steve
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Well,you shouldn't be scared as it's not like you're going to die or anything.
It'll just kill the feel in the wheel and handling.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Tutuur
Well,you shouldn't be scared as it's not like you're going to die or anything.
It'll just kill the feel in the wheel and handling.
Phew...!!
That wasn't the fear! It was more about tyre wear and loss of grip.
I'm not going racing in the car, though I do hope to enjoy some
fairly spirited runs, occasionally...
It's amazing how views on power steering are polarised. Some say
it's the best thing to do, others offer dire warnings :eek:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve. All looking great. A word of warning, I wouldn't wrap the exhaust manifold. It being cast iron tends to crack when wrapped. I've had a couple cracking over the years.
Matt
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great stuff, what driveshafts did you decide to fit Steve? :agree: :)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr Raider
Great stuff, what driveshafts did you decide to fit Steve? :agree: :)
The new SKF ones, Karl. They fitted a treat... There's no centrifugal force difference
because all is held in by the wheel bearing.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Any further progress Steve?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Slammed 66
Any further progress Steve?
Not much... :(
Regards,
Steve
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Come on Steve, your public awaits!:D
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
A little progress is better than none, think thats where Im at now lol :(
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Well, the power steering pump has new brackets - sent to powder coaters.
Just got to work out how to join rack to track rod ends. Apparently some
lathe turning required. It has got a bit complicated, but no-one has given
up - not yet at least :)
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve, will it be ready for next July RTOC national day?;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Steve, will it be ready for next July RTOC national day?;)
Ummmmmmmmmmmm... :coffee:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
It has been a long time coming, but here's Part #6 of my video series...
here's part 6 of the video series
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Love it. Bare metal for the way!;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Well, Part #6 was a bit delayed, but it's closely followed by Part #7...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDyqDpjBQ5Q
Regards,
Steve
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More Parts Are Sourced
Hello Folks,
While I'm intent on restoring this car, I'm ever mindful of just how far to go
with it. With so much of the original metal to start with and the engine found
to be in good condition, I'm not going to go overboard with replacement of
cosmetic parts, other than those which need replacing, at least, where that
is possible.
In earlier posts I had mocked-up the interior mats and I've finally been able to
source the fixing kits that came with my Laguna mats. When I enquired about
these at my local dealers, they seemed to be unable to find them. Then I
came across some on eBay, with a part number Renault: 7711220013, just
£4.30 exc VAT - yay!
The caps are flat enough for me to attach the self-adhesive badges to, so in
the photo the parts are upside down in the top row...
http://s5.postimg.cc/79tqkndbr/r5gt15364.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6j7qv1zcn/r5gtt14081.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wg1f7o307/r5gtt14082.jpg
It's just a case of making the holes in the mats into which they'll fit.
Another part of the car which would let the side down would be the aerial.
So, a replacement one of those was also a good find.
http://s5.postimg.cc/rrjaa1et3/r5gt15365.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qg6xntttj/r5gt15366.jpg
Then a couple of plugs. The top one was offered at 70% off its original price
and the lower one is the filler / level plug in the gearbox.
http://s5.postimg.cc/ykjn6b5mf/r5gt15374.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/rjr1zsegn/r5gt15367.jpg
Next comes a treasure found on Amazon, from a company in Italy. They were
offered at £24.92 + £17 postage from Milan. I umm'd and ahhh'd for all of five
minutes before hitting the buy button...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3jyp5hquv/r5gt15368.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ouw99r8zb/r5gt15369.jpg
I must have woken them up. When I clicked buy I was buying one of the last
two available. Revisiting the site, I noticed they're now closer to 50 quid with
19 quid's worth of postage and there are 15 in stock! Looking at the cost of
those available for modern cars, it looks like I bagged a bargain. We all agreed
that that its colour would look very subtle on the car.
Now to another service part. During the shakedown we had some problems
with the fuel sender and I happened upon its part number. Doing a search for
it rendered a result of a Valeo one, again from Amazon, for a little over £57.
Then I happen upon a Jaeger one with the same part # on eBay France.
The seller, in Germany, accepted my offer of a similar price which avoided the
risk of one not being forthcoming because of no stock at the Amazon suppliers.
When I handed this to Karl, his first words were: "Well, that's a bargain!"
http://s5.postimg.cc/wjoi7qk3b/r5gt15370.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/kj3270con/r5gt15371.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/i5pptqnnb/r5gt15372.jpg
With the instruments being Jaeger, these will be a matched pair with the dial
it feeds..
http://s5.postimg.cc/bukidbmev/r5gt15373.jpg
Having managed to source an engine bay loom, I later became aware of its
companion, the joint twixt dashboard and plug of doom. It came with a
request to return the 90 degree grommet inward from the engine bay...
http://s5.postimg.cc/68y399lpz/r5gt15375.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/f58vd7cc7/r5gt15376.jpg
...in the event, the grommet on the new loom has been mounted the wrong way
round. As ever when dealing with a Frenchman, I only got what I perceived to
be a deep shoulder-shrug when pointing this out. Karl will remedy that before
fitting...
http://s5.postimg.cc/saodjb67r/r5gt15377.jpg
I've also been able to locate some of the side-skirt clips for a reasonable
price. Even GT Turbo Spares in the UK asks £16.50 each, which for what they
consist of is just way too much. This is probably fed by cheque-book sport
folks who bid £76 for just 4 of these clips on eBay. With the postage, they
came to over 20 quid each.
The resale prices of restored cars have yet to catch up with that level of
stupidity! It's still not clear just how many of the thousand vehicles still
extant are OE originals. There seems to be a move toward both the kitting
out of Campus shells to GTT spec, and also the import of left-hookers from
across the channel. Does this mean a severe price-hike is imminent?
I'm also now putting aside several service parts for the future. Things like
spark plugs and filters. One thing I'm quite proud of is the fact that the car
and the majority of its present fittings are those that left assembled at the
factory in the back end of 1989. Okay, so it's not original paint, but that was
taken out of my hands by a vandal keying every panel for me, just weeks
after I purchased it.
Hopefully, the car should be rolling again by the end of the week...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
I don't know how you do it Steve! I guess you have a knack of sniffing out the bargains and NLA OE parts!:D
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
I don't know how you do it Steve! I guess you have a knack of sniffing out the bargains and NLA OE parts!:D
It's quite simple - you find a part # then add a French word or two and Google
finds the parts suppliers. Then it becomes more difficult, not many French suppliers
will despatch to the UK, even when you ask very politely in their own language :(
A bit of patience is needed too because there are many blind alleys. Reading the
screen closely pays off. I think I was looking at fuel filters when I came across the
wind deflectors seen as "other options for R5GTT" lower down the page - Yay!
I've managed to find a pair of brand new Siem electric window winders - £170 delivered.
Beware the 3 door / 5 door trap!!
Also, found some more wind deflectors. Not tested this for postage costs, but the
starting price is pretty good...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work, you've sourced some real 'gems' there Steve! :agree: :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
After a long delay, there's some forward progress on the car. The dash and
ancilliary parts have been removed and brought round for cleaning. Pics of
the finish dash below...
http://s5.postimg.cc/a6wzjldiv/r5gtt16001.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/r8ptlosdz/r5gtt16002.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lbqjim0mv/r5gtt16003.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/w8n9tmy0n/r5gtt16004.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3kex45l87/r5gtt16005.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/entxw0h4n/r5gtt16006.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/l2sysonuf/r5gtt16007.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4chl3cpfb/r5gtt16008.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wgfi3vyd3/r5gtt16009.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xwr0m119z/r5gtt16010.jpg
The cleaning was achieved with heavily diluted shampoo very quickly wiped
dry, followed by a generous coating of ADS Blue Lotion. This has really helped
to enrich the finish of these 1980s plastics :niceone:
All going well, there should be more pictures of the week's progress posted
here tomorrow. [looks for fingers crossed icon] :)
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
First off, eight pics of the parts brought round for cleaning when the dash
was removed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/y8mpne2t3/r5gtt16011.jpg
Above and below, the cover under the dash to the right of the steering wheel...
http://s5.postimg.cc/a65vsim5z/r5gtt16012.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/8xi06vu7r/r5gtt16013.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4cvtryaif/r5gtt16014.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/gssjlp3uf/r5gtt16015.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/v4c1qlm0n/r5gtt16016.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/usuldu5kn/r5gtt16017.jpg
The white shadow to the top right of the fuel gauge is a fault in the plastic
dials cover. It wasn't on the outside, and it there wasn't evidence inside,
though I couldn't remove it away from its mask. At some point, I'll look at
replacing that cover. If anyone has one going spare...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ywvk6c1iv/r5gtt16018.jpg
Then back to the power steering. Here's the new pump temporarily placed
into its new housing, ahead of its strip back and repaint. The rusty pipes will,
of course be replaced...
http://s5.postimg.cc/scxtx3ttj/r5gtt16021.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xpmob8hpz/r5gtt16022.jpg
The original track rod end...
http://s5.postimg.cc/906xqu46v/r5gtt16023.jpg
...and the piece it screws into...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6gbawqgmv/r5gtt16024.jpg
The thread on the new track rod, the bit that fits into the steering rack...
http://s5.postimg.cc/bt05av4jb/r5gtt16025.jpg
...compared to the one that came out of the original R5 steering rack...
http://s5.postimg.cc/j1bs05h9z/r5gtt16026.jpg
Part #SS2480 - track rods / ball joints
http://s5.postimg.cc/k2c0p9y9j/r5gtt16027.jpg
Now, evidence of the problem...
http://s5.postimg.cc/mv589aylz/r5gtt16028.jpg
New track rod end...
http://s5.postimg.cc/tpfiyzr93/r5gtt16029.jpg
...and the new threaded bar it will be fitted into...
http://s5.postimg.cc/96kmtxdbr/r5gtt16030.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5pn64p3nb/r5gtt16031.jpg
Back to removal of the dash now. It looks like the front seats are going to
need a second clean...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3wk9gdign/r5gtt16032.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/51eblr4xj/r5gtt16033.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4efew881j/r5gtt16034.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/x7w494hiv/r5gtt16035.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/rem28k5vb/r5gtt16036.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/8vcd8nbnb/r5gtt16037.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/dek0gf453/r5gtt16038.jpg
The heater assembly removed so that the heat exchanger can be replaced.
Amazingly, unlike the Valeo radiator, this old Valeo part was in remarkably
good condition. I can imagine Karl having a bit of a swear under his breath,
as most of the dash removal is because of this very piece! Grrrrr...
http://s5.postimg.cc/uo0hf0tyv/r5gtt16039.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nm2jstqd3/r5gtt16040.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ojdkffr93/r5gtt16041.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/e817mrzjr/r5gtt16042.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vvef78k3b/r5gtt16043.jpg
The new dash to "plug of doom" wiring loom has now been fitted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/pzp2xku5z/r5gtt16044.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bhrvpl2uv/r5gtt16045.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/hy0ufobef/r5gtt16046.jpg
Re-assembly begins...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ed4ywg6uv/r5gtt16047.jpg
While the gear knob gaiter was freed, the opportunity was taken to replace
the gear lever return spring. Apparently, the hole in the body where one end
clips in is in good shape, though the original (very thin) spring had long since
given up.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great work Steve, well worth replacing heater matrix/heat exchanger now as a bit of a pain to do with dash in situ. :agree: ;).
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
More progress... :niceone:
Dashboard back in...
http://s5.postimg.cc/xattoq1tj/r5gtt16048.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/oh7ild48n/r5gtt16049.jpg
Replacement of the broken gear stick return spring...
http://s5.postimg.cc/snnrmyegn/r5gtt16050.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/x0qwj4cl3/r5gtt16051.jpg
New spring and proper clips fitted (not cheap @18 quid!) The hole in the
bodywork where the outer clip fits was found to be in good fettle.
http://s5.postimg.cc/jrczj0nuf/r5gtt16052.jpg
The broken spring...
http://s5.postimg.cc/u97msie2f/r5gtt16053.jpg
Car moved to the preparation studio...
http://s5.postimg.cc/pbu27ec3b/r5gtt16054.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5eo4yft87/r5gtt16055.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/tm8q2zh6f/r5gtt16056.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wud7g13g7/r5gtt16057.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d113nbq2f/r5gtt16058.jpg
All that cleaning-up deserves an undertray (sump guard) be fitted. These are
still available from Renault in France.
http://s5.postimg.cc/wk5owootz/r5gtt16059.jpg
The part is actually from a diesel version of the R5...
http://s5.postimg.cc/7feoj9pdj/r5gtt16060.jpg
Closer-up to show the part #...
http://s5.postimg.cc/n4uex7w6v/r5gtt16061.jpg
More blocking of the doors, this is the 3rd and final rub down before the next
primer coat. Karl is glimpsed applying some power to the window winder to lower
the glass pane...
http://s5.postimg.cc/n2ajadsjb/r5gtt16062.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/k9hbqcs6v/r5gtt16063.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vxfyyn6pj/r5gtt16070.jpg
The car body in rub-down too...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9ezvof92v/r5gtt16064.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/53b9zf25z/r5gtt16065.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/kq2jcsfxz/r5gtt16066.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/tnn9a58dz/r5gtt16067.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5xxtlga0n/r5gtt16068.jpg
The eagle-eyed amongst you may have noticed that the sunroof surround
seems a bit wonky. What's happened is that a small strip of the original paint
has been left in situ until now to prevent a build-up of paint at the edge
itself. The "join", such as it is, will be rubbed-down to provide a perfect finish.
http://s5.postimg.cc/cpo8oaz07/r5gtt16069.jpg
I've just arranged the insurance; it worked out at just under £200 for an agreed value
of £10,500, so, it's now getting a tad exciting once more :niceone:
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Progress is painfully slow and there's yet another deadline past and gone! :(
Here's the car being prepared for its final coatings...
http://s5.postimg.cc/ll7yoparb/r5gtt16071.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vp19ylgvr/r5gtt16072.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/defyx4kon/r5gtt16074.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/fyg74yxmf/r5gtt16075.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ih1w5njcn/r5gtt16076.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xsbp69gon/r5gtt16077.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/kznl6c52v/r5gtt16078.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/f2jppinxz/r5gtt16079.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/p14obzxdj/r5gtt16080.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3sqzukiwn/r5gtt16081.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/khsfqhfhz/r5gtt16082.jpg
It's so smooth, there's even a shine in the primer :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/k7pikvq9j/r5gtt16083.jpg
Now, a couple of teaser pics...
http://s5.postimg.cc/725f11707/r5gtt16084.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/63tnchj1z/r5gtt16085.jpg
The car has had a partial wet-sanding and is looking good. As I write,
it's going through the jeweling stages of polishing. The new windscreen
will be fitted on Tuesday, as hopefully, will the carpet.
Talking of which, after an extended stay in my garage, it was time to give it
a final cleaning, ready for re-fitting. I'd only done part of the passenger side
the first time round...
http://s5.postimg.cc/wauu8g1br/r5gtt16086.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/u8ucu73cn/r5gtt16087.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/nwf7kd0af/r5gtt16088.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cy3y26bp3/r5gtt16089.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/obqhddm7r/r5gtt16090.jpg
It's getting close, but it's painful trying to get this guy to prioritise anything! :(
I'm torn between the anguish of his relentless delays and the final outcome,
which should be outstanding!
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Re-Assembly Begins
Hello Folks,
So, now that the shell is painted and given a polish, it's time for re-assembly to
begin. Some while ago I bought some sound-deadening panels and here they
are finally being fitted. There's 3, placed in a distorted H formation inside the
rear quarter, ahead of the refitting of the rear door-cards.
http://s31.postimg.cc/m1lyo1rjv/r5gtt16091.jpg
It's amazing just how these re-inforce the panels and there's absolutely no
echo when you tap the outside.
http://s31.postimg.cc/hgzs947uj/r5gtt16092.jpg
One each side under where the front seats go...
http://s31.postimg.cc/n6g0tfe0r/r5gtt16093.jpg
Two views of the carpet being refitted. This was given a second cleaning this past
weekend, then given another Scotch-Gard treatment. The camera flash is just as
unkind as ever :(
http://s31.postimg.cc/ltybrjgl7/r5gtt16094.jpg
http://s31.postimg.cc/pp1pu3zqz/r5gtt16095.jpg
Rear quarter glass re-installed...
http://s31.postimg.cc/icw9okhiz/r5gtt16096.jpg
Door cards inserted...
http://s31.postimg.cc/o2ci8vnp7/r5gtt16097.jpg
http://s31.postimg.cc/p61ohyenv/r5gtt16098.jpg
What isn't so clear is the refitting of the inner door aperture trims, along with
the seat-belts and their fittings.
http://s31.postimg.cc/bsyjfc9tn/r5gtt16099.jpg
Rear seats refitted...
http://s31.postimg.cc/ub2vzkrln/r5gtt16100.jpg
Rear quarter glass and passenger seat are back in. I was surprised that both
the front seats had more fungal spots on them. So, it was another session
with the steam cleaner. The back seats were much cleaner than the front ones,
though my work was cut out over the past weekend.
http://s31.postimg.cc/jxb8xtlmj/r5gtt16101.jpg
http://s31.postimg.cc/hvarjknnf/r5gtt16102.jpg
This process is progressing reasonably well. The windscreen should be back
in later this week. Hopefully, the rehanging of the doors can be completed too.
There's a new driver's door which has new hinges to fit, so it's going to take
an hour or three yet...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looking stunning already Steve. Great project thread.;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
With almost 12 months since I last posted, the reason for no updates is that
there's been no progress. The car was painted, the engine partly refitted and
then I was subjected to the biggest betrayal experience of my life! This went
on for several months.
It ended up making me ill to the point where I was hospitalised last May, just
days before my trip to Cumbria. I missed the Duxford Show for the first time
in 8 years. I'm not going to go into any further detail save to say that I'd not
wish to repeat any part of it, including having to start legal action.
Eventually, the car was returned to my garage, with no doors, bumpers or
glass refitted. These, the plastics and various other parts were not returned.
Following receipt of my solicitor's letter, and 2 days before the parts were
released, there was a mysterious fire at the workshop.
All the car's interior had been refitted, after it had been given a 2nd thorough
cleaning, but left open to getting filthy for a 3rd time. My next worry, with
no doors and the onset of the colder weather was that mice would attack the
new leather in the rear cards. That has been the only part of the resto to go
to plan and be on budget, so any damage to those would be the last straw!
Luckily, the car has now been moved to Karl's new unit. There has been some
progress. Windscreen and rear windows are refitted, and driver's door rehung.
The paint job however, is not up to standard, with marks in the roof letting it
down. Quite what will happen with this is not yet decided.
On a personal level, I'm unsure about keeping the car; it now has some hefty
bad memories associated with it. I was not far from scrapping the thing at
one point! Whether I can rekindle any love for it is moot. I have instead put
down my deposit for #1684 of the 1,955 Renault Alpine Visions for delivery
in 2018. I have the plate V15 XON on retention for the new car.
http://s5.postimg.cc/sq3c5rzef/whitealpine00.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Anyway, after this delay, we come to progress in 2017. Some pictures
are going to appear out of chronological order as Karl has taken several
which will come to me on a memory stick.
Re-assembly of the car has not been straightforward, with several parts
having to be removed to accommodate something else close by. That's the
penalty of delay. So, the car had spent several months in my garage, with a
dispute over the remainder still off-site.
Luckily, they were stored in lock-ups the other side of the access road away
from the workshop that got burned down. That episode brought about some
return of common sense and it was quite a relief to call the dogs off. The
solicitor was intent on going for blood, which even gave me the jitters! Karl
was eventually able to secure return of all the exterior add-ons, bumpers,
doors and side skirts, etc.
Once the colder weather arrived, my main concern was that the local vermin
don't decide to take up residence and chew away my brand new leather on
the rear door-cards. There had been a delay with Karl securing his new unit,
so there was no option but to endure another nail-biting time.
At the point where these photos were taken, most of the bodywork restore is
complete. Only the passenger door needs polishing and that's delaying its
completion, fitting handles, door card and bits.
So, as I walk into the workshop last Friday, the car is identifiable - yay!!
http://s5.postimg.cc/khunmqiyf/r5gt17000.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3vd3dnq0n/r5gt17001.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/k7rqh4tpz/r5gt17002.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6s4prol87/r5gt17003.jpg
The car still doesn't run, with several parts yet to be refitted, wired-up etc.
Hence the bonnet remains off the car. The rear bumper has yet to be secured
so ignore the fact it has a large uneven gap.
http://s5.postimg.cc/ssl28b3w7/r5gt17004.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/77fzkp75j/r5gt17005.jpg
There's some debate over whether to place dummy fixings on the number
plates. Karl was wary of drilling them. I do like the raised characters.
http://s5.postimg.cc/x49nxbat3/r5gt17006.jpg
Here's the parcel shelf in place. I'm just thrilled to bits with how that sits.
Personal opinion is that it's much better than plain black carpet!
http://s5.postimg.cc/55fi6g96f/r5gt17007.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mwr4kwol3/r5gt17008.jpg
I hope you noticed the period decals in the back window.
At this point the paint has not had any cleaning done. In fact, I have put a
total ban on anything but a light dusting taking place. The paint everywhere
except the roof looks to be okay. I have yet to see it outside.
http://s5.postimg.cc/3sxt4kbqv/r5gt17009.jpg
The driver's door has its wind deflector fitted...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3u7qxzdkn/r5gt17010.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cdr4vqlx3/r5gt17011.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6qzdc08s7/r5gt17012.jpg
One problem we've encountered is in securing the bumper inserts. The main
problem with double-sided foam tapes is their thickness which creates a gap
twixt bumper and insert where there should be a close fit. If anyone has
solved this problem, I'd be keen on hearing your solution.
Now we come to the bit where I'm not happy. The roof looks a mess and will
have to be re-done. Lee, Karl's brother, has said that he'll give the paint a
polishing but I don't hold out much hope of it coming up to standard. I'm
sorry about the quality of some pictures, the lighting wasn't helpful.
http://s5.postimg.cc/6fhwz8sc7/r5gt17013.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ad56onf5j/r5gt17014.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/s4gt33uk7/r5gt17015.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Now we come to the interior. The one part of this restoration that has given
me the most joy was restoring the door cards. They came in on time and on
budget, quite apart from being some meticulously completed work. I'll let
the pictures do the talking...
http://s5.postimg.cc/kd034jqev/r5gt17016.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/y7ydn0ktz/r5gt17017.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/hlgtdxrw7/r5gt17018.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/jejq29d2v/r5gt17019.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/a81fez7uf/r5gt17020.jpg
The sound-deadening panels have really worked their magic. Just closing the
driver's door gives a very satisfying clunk and tapping around the body no
longer gives away its tin-box construction. The doors have had their new
speakers fitted though they have yet to be tested. The gear lever gaiter
isn't replaced, pending fitting of the CD player. I have securely stored the
tape player for its next owner.
Completion should be in a two or three weeks, depending upon what problems
occur under the bonnet. I may yet get the car to Duxford for the first show
of the season late April, despite being 2 years late...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Steve,
This looks stunning and problems aside will make you very happy when complete I'm sure!
The small attention to detail such as the door cards and parcel shelf make it stand out from the noreal oe restorations although it all seems to fit in extremely well!
If the pictures are a true reflection, this car is worthy of showing at major events. I would start with retro show this year and get it displayed proudly.
Keep us informed!;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Sounds like you've had a bit of a nightmare with this, thats often the issue when you're having to outsouce work. Bodyshops in particular seem bad when it comes to timescales and agreeing the final bill with customers for restos like yours. I'm glad you got it resolved (sort of!) and now have the car and parts back.
From looking at the most recent pictures it looks like the bulk of the real hard graft has been completed so hopefully won't tak too long to finish it off now. That roof though, I agree it needs rework. Did you not consider just removing it and making the hole solid? A lot of work but I would have probably gone down that route to save further issues down the line.
Whats the engine bay looking like at present?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
With the car being in the workshop close to a paintshop for such a long
while, the use of any silicones was a complete No-no. So there were some
parts that were refitted to the car without protection. I'd have loved to
give the engine underframe a coating for example, but it wasn't to be.
Another part was the rocker-box cover and that has spent nearly 2 years
with no protection after its powder coating in red. As the focus transfers
from the bodywork to under the bonnet, with the tappets to adjust, I've
taken advantage and got this home for treatment.
http://s5.postimg.cc/b2anf5shj/r5gt17021.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/j6irjwewn/r5gt17022.jpg
I'm amazed at just how much oil is trapped in the bottom groove...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cwnhwwfhz/r5gt17023.jpg
The cleaned article, treated with 2 coats of ADS ArtDeSicko and topped with
Nano Bio Coat. The cap has received its Elf oil emblem and the spark plugs
guide is attached too.
http://s5.postimg.cc/j92n6qik7/r5gt17024.jpg
This shows that rough cleaning _will_ damage the powder coated finish :(
http://s5.postimg.cc/tzq9sew6v/r5gt17025.jpg
I'm rather pleased that the fire engine red specified to the coaters matches
that on the cap decal :thumb:
http://s5.postimg.cc/ozstkgqk7/r5gt17026.jpg
The passenger door has now been polished, had its fittings replaced inside
and out, and also been fitted with its wind deflector. The roof has also been
polished and while it's much better, I still need to see it out in the sunlight
before I decide on what happens next. Pictures to follow...
Regards,
Steve
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A New Train of Thought...
...Over Losing the Love.
Hello Folks,
Giving that rocker cover a clean has set off a completely unexpected train of
thought. If we look back at the last time it was depicted, it was clean and on
top of a freshly refurbished engine. Between then and when I recently picked
it up for cleaning, as filthy as it was, what has transpired?
How the devil did it gather all that dirt, especially in folds at the bottom? The
engine has not been started and the car has been nowhere other than stuck
for 2 years in a dirty workshop. The worst aspect of it being that whatever it
is, it has softened the powder coating. There's no hiding from it in these most
recent photos.
One of the things I wanted to ensure was that the engine subframe was
treated to a protective coating yet that, along with all of the engine bay,
is completely devoid of any protection. The concern being that this was
meant as a job to be done once and properly. Instead, if all the grot that has
gathered is softening the surfaces, what has been stored up for the future
instead?
This had been a secondary string to my concerns during the course of the
problems, but completely overshadowed by the friendship/emotional aspects.
What I'm finding very difficult to assimilate now is how hard it is hitting me!
Of course, this is all driven by trying to find a satisfactory resolution without
having to take everything apart again.
Perhaps I've got to resign myself to the inevitable, but trying to retrace the
love with that constantly nagging at me is proving far more difficult than I
could ever have imagined. At present, I'm seeing it all as a complete failure
on my part. At one point I'd imagined being out of the woods; clearly not! :(
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Well, there were two trips to the workshop last week. One to discuss progress,
and while we were doing that, attaching replacement decals under the bonnet.
Sadly, I left my camera at home.
Second trip was to try and tackle a couple of cleaning tasks. One that went
quite well, the other not so successful. This time I did take the camera but I
got so absorbed in what I was doing that I overlooked taking pictures of the
new decals. With the car partly jacked-up so Karl can turn the engine over
and do the tappets, I've not been able to get more than these two pictures of
the passenger door now that it has been polished.
What this picture also shows is the continuing nightmare that is Renault
plastics. With the mirror brackets staying with the mirrors during the repaint
process, this has been the first occasion that I've had to tackle them. In the
photo the bracket doesn't look too faded.
http://s5.postimg.cc/oaayaunw7/r5gt17027.jpg
This next picture shows the new wind deflector in place along with the new
trims...
http://s5.postimg.cc/f3snnkinr/r5gt17028.jpg
However, in the plastic the mirror bracket was not looking good. There are
some weird reflections in this photo that mask the small area I had treated.
Quite by accident, the vertical edge of the part I had treated lines up with
reflections in the paint...
http://s5.postimg.cc/o03fri99z/r5gt17029.jpg
The completed thing. Treatment was with a newer version of Blue Lotion that
Mak had sent from Singapore before Xmas. This has been my first opportunity
to use it.
http://s5.postimg.cc/9i68jihyv/r5gt17030.jpg
Looking down from above, it looks like I'm able to keep a fairly matt finish
which is pleasing...
http://s5.postimg.cc/nd4j1zcdz/r5gt17031.jpg
The driver's side shows the fading much better. I should say that I'm unsure
about whether or not these brackets were originally black. I'm going to be
happy enough with a darkish grey.
http://s5.postimg.cc/9xm3q9t9z/r5gt17032.jpg
The fading is a tad clearer in this shot...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6fa3tvsdz/r5gt17033.jpg
Bracket partly coated...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4or2seauv/r5gt17034.jpg
Completed and looking okay...
http://s5.postimg.cc/pmx8qhapj/r5gt17035.jpg
The view from above indicates that a second coat might not go amiss. I had
not expected to get this done in one shot anyway...
http://s5.postimg.cc/as8ncb14n/r5gt17036.jpg
The remainder of the cleaning involved a few of the many pipes under the
bonnet. I think I'll wait and chat to the CO2 (dry ice) cleaning guy, in the
hope that he can address the issues. The engine bay is a bit disappointing,
despite all the wonderful attention to detail paid by Karl. It will, by hook or
by crook, have to look the part eventually.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
...If the pictures are a true reflection, this car is worthy of showing at major events.
I would start with retro show this year and get it displayed proudly.
What can I say? Your entire post is one huge compliment and has inestimable value
to me considering recent past experiences. Approbation from one of my peers at that
level humbles me and I can only say a heartfelt thanks.
Thankfully, that little car still beguiles me and it'll start off with shows a tad closer
to home. However, I'm also intending to do a bit of boosting on in-between days.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
The wing mirror mounts were always an unpainted grey colour on the Tungsten GTTs afaik.
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All Going Well...
...Completion Maybe This Week!
So, I'm having a bit of a sort-out at home and come across an almost full
bottle of Type D coolant. This was probably surplus from when I had the
timing belt and water pump done on the Coupé a couple of years back.
We had discussed the probability of there not being enough in our store. On
arrival at Karl's workshop, the bottle was taken with a cheeky grin then
promptly emptied into the expansion bottle, with nary a drop left. Not only
that, there's a heat shield in place with its fan sensor in place and all wired up.
http://s5.postimg.cc/lrgzlfl9z/r5gt17050.jpg
http://s5postimg.cc/5ui7opsvr/r5gt17051.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wguodox2v/r5gt17052.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/qh6xa1caf/r5gt17053.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/l71yiqs1j/r5gt17054.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/n04v72d87/r5gt17055.jpg
The carburettor has been primed by attaching a temporary power line to the
fuel pump; there's oil in the engine and enough coolant for bleeding, so just
very last tightness checks are left to be made before the key gets turned.
A lot of bits had to be removed then refitted to accommodate other parts so
these checks will be key. Nevertheless, Karl has his video camera on charge
ready to record the big moment.
At home I had arranged for next year's insurance: £177 with all the trimmings.
So, it's just the bonnet to refit then it's along for its MoT. Question is, do
I lose 3 weeks of tax by putting it back on the road on Friday? I think it's
only right and to let Karl give it its full road test - he's earned it!
Other work done has been to remove the gummy stuff from the backs of
the bumper inserts...
https://s5.postimg.cc/o3u1g546v/r5gt17056.jpg
https://s5.postimg.cc/4ahxnfqt3/r5gt17057.jpg
Oh my word, that's a job I don't want to repeat! As you can see, there's
still some stuff to remove, though I gave up due to the fumes from the TarX.
I still have the other front corner to do and the complete rear one, so that'll
get done in bite-size chunks.
Finding a suitable replacement tape may be a job too. It looks like the wider
strip runs along the bottom, so weather-proofing the top is going to present
a problem to solve. These won't be replaced on the car ahead of its full detail,
so there's plenty of time to research suitable bonding materials.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
It's always an exciting moment on first turn of the key. :D my recent maiden voyage was to the mot station in a car untested on the road. Very nervous journey.:eek:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
I realized, having spoken about fitting the new engine heat shield, that it's
absent from pictures in my previous post. So, a few more pics to include
that and to show the choke cable installed and the throttle cable also in place.
The latter is waiting for its nipple to be crimped (oooer, :o missus) which
requires a bit of care in its placement.
https://s5.postimg.cc/6dafvie0n/r5gt17058.jpg
https://s5.postimg.cc/6eoz2o587/r5gt17059.jpg
https://s5.postimg.cc/9mtgfprhz/r5gt17060.jpg
Also fitted are the replacement pedal rubbers; apparently quite a tight fit...
https://s5.postimg.cc/kax7ek1h3/r5gt17061.jpg
So, as soon as the car passes its MoT it'll be taxed and I've told Karl that
he'll be taking it out on an extended road test. He can pick a co-pilot if he
wants and I can immediately think of a couple of people who will jump at
that chance. Karl is a man of few words, but the expression on his face
spoke volumes :niceone:
More news is imminent...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
These are some pictures taken by Karl as he's been re-assembling the car.
Certainly, with the delay of re-assembly it has been a case of fit, remove
and re-fit until the reassembly order can be established. I don't think anyone
can question the standard of the finished work!
The first piece is the front bumper...
http://s5.postimg.cc/vkvhdj69j/r5gt16280.jpg
...then ensuring that it lines up with the trims on the wings. That job was
much easier said than done, and what a superb job!
http://s5.postimg.cc/6svv6ap2v/r5gt16281.jpg
Then came fitting the rear door and these two pictures show the sound
deadening material in place...
http://s5.postimg.cc/knu5orjhz/r5gt16282.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/f0xsragzb/r5gt16283.jpg
Next came fitting the brand new driver's door. Again, a lot of care involved
with making sure everything lines up. That wasn't helped by one of the
hinges welded to the A pillar having been bent when the original door was
damaged. Here's the quality in the finished job...
http://s5.postimg.cc/jo3ut24c7/r5gt16284.jpg
Next comes lining up the front bumper on the driver's side after refitting the
side mouldings. The latter have nylon nuts secured into them and nylon
bolts holding them in place. Getting the nuts secured presented a bit of a
problem, meaning several tries at mounting. Here's job ahead of its doing...
http://s5.postimg.cc/sx6136d87/r5gt16285.jpg
Now comes mounting the embossed metal number-plates, front and rear...
http://s5.postimg.cc/f4rm7jmgn/r5gt16286.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/cbyenim47/r5gt16287.jpg
So, now to fitting the bits into the driver's door. The difference that sound
deadening has made just has to be heard to be believed, even just as you
undo the catch to open it.
http://s5.postimg.cc/8m3trqgl3/r5gt16288.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/7sm62048n/r5gt16289.jpg
So, are we complete yet? Not quite, the next few photos show the dwindling
but not yet small range of parts of this kit yet to assemble...
http://s5.postimg.cc/4lwofhq47/r5gt16290.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/i43krs29j/r5gt16291.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/elrkve1dj/r5gt16292.jpg
The car has now been started, but there were a few little problems. There
was some fuel loss from the fuel sender, apparently a smaller diameter
connector than hitherto. There was what looks like a dry gasket on the carb
resulting in more leaking fuel. Also, just one coolant leak and a tiny oil leak;
both quickly resolved.
Luckily, I have a carb kit, so that's easily solved. The car started with very
little fiddling and sounded pretty good to Karl, so it'll be nigh on perfect!
Hopefully, MoT tomorrow and my next report is the car being taxed and
a bit of boosting going on.
{{Huge sigh}} Finally!
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Great project, looks close to completion now!
Did you have any luck with the bumpers strip tape?
I fitted some second hand strips a couple of years ago, and I found it very difficult to get the ripples out of the strips, any tips?
I also know how painful it is removing the old tape! :mad:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matty
Did you have any luck with the bumpers strip tape?
I won't be able to answer that question for a while yet. The car will first be going
to a professional detailer for him to apply a special 9H coating. I have bought a
couple of tapes, but no tests have been carried out. I wanted to get some 3M
tape but there's a problem with getting both 6mm and 12mm tapes in the
same range, without having to spend nearly 40 quid!
I bought some Yuzet VHB tape off eBay and if it doesn't work, then it's at a
cost of less than 7 quid for both rolls. The problem is that the 12mm width tape
is on the lower half, so any apparent weakness will be masked. I have also
bought some 12mm Everbuild Mammoth tape, so a comparison can be made.
The biggest factor is whether either or both will be the required thickness. If
too thick, the insert sits proud and too thin puts too much stress on the bond.
Apparently, you need a Toffee/Caramel Wheel to remove the old foam tape.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looks excellent! I'm thinking the sound deadening material will make a big difference.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looking good Steve. Not long now ! :agree:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
These first two images are the printouts kindly provided by the MoT centre.
While the emissions are not bad, I'm just thrilled with the performance of
the brakes and just how balanced they are, side to side...
http://s5.postimg.cc/latzh1e9j/r5gt17062.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vaovwxpiv/r5gt17063.jpg
Did you note the car's axle loadings?
At last, I have fog lights. These have LED bulbs and I can't wait to see what
they're like in use, not that I'll be encountering fog too often.
http://s5.postimg.cc/m1mpmtgmv/r5gt17064.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5hp10krcn/r5gt17065.jpg
Then it was time to see the car outside a workshop for the first time in a very
long while...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cyy8fsgvr/r5gt17066.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5x0atld9z/r5gt17067.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/96eq021dj/r5gt17068.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6vgnvvqlz/r5gt17069.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6dlig1113/r5gt17070.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ak6cvd0mv/r5gt17071.jpg
This is the passenger side door card, with the cap looking a bit sorry for itself.
http://s5.postimg.cc/yqm23lt2v/r5gt17072.jpg
50/50 shot after a quick wipe-over with some ADS Blue Lotion...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5cqbo0qd3/r5gt17073.jpg
Outstanding jobs I haven't listed includes installation of the replacement
radio / cd player and re-install of the Renault alarm / immobiliser. We have
a Toad unit that could be installed if needs be.
I like the Renault one because there isn't an obvious way of turning it off.
This means that a thief will get deafened inside the car for 30 seconds out of
every two minutes, and this while the car is still or in motion. I caught a car
salesman out with this; he'd pressed the wrong switch whilst out on a test
drive, heheheh.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Oh boy, have I missed this car! Managed to do 27 miles today, mostly around
town and down the A12 a little way. The engine is as sweet as a nut and really
pulls well. A couple of people tried tail-gating me (grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!) and it was
such a pleasure to show them a clean pair of heels!
Tomorrow, there's a car show at the Ufford White Lion. Google tells me it's
33 miles away and being that it was so well behaved today, I think I'll take
a chance and go. The show's on from 11am, but it'll probably be midday
before I get there. Do say Hi, if you're going too.
I have a few more pictures that I'll probably post tomorrow.
Regards,
Steve
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Finally, It's Home!
Hello Folks,
Finally, it's home
http://s5.postimg.cc/c3v5gab93/r5gt17074.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ki66qmmwn/r5gt17075.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/erg0cwewn/r5gt17076.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/4vexd994n/r5gt17077.jpg
Some nice reflections...
http://s5.postimg.cc/r13mhaohj/r5gt17078.jpg
Sally's travel arrangements installed...
http://s5.postimg.cc/8hkqpwfhz/r5gt17079.jpg
Out & About
Then a nice little trip down to Ufford for a car show. These photos taken
after I had moved the car out of the classics field into the vintage...
http://s5.postimg.cc/b0b14bqlz/r5gt17080.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/pnbzlzp87/r5gt17081.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/66r9zgu47/r5gt17082.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/5iifgivef/r5gt17083.jpg
So, 103 miles later, the car draws plenty of admiration :wave:
I stopped for petrol on the way and got away after fielding several really nice
compliments. If I could collect a quid for every story I hear about encounters
with Fiats, Pugs and Fords of a certain era, I could soon recoup my costs ;)
I took my neighbour out in my "almost looks like new" car and all I heard was
how comfy the seats are, "kinda like bucket seats" and "don't they grip you?".
There was a chuckle as we were on the inside lane and left a potential 4x4
overtaker for dead in the outside. Having said that, I'm not keen on the
run-ins I get with people seeing an old car and come what may (read as
danger) they _have_ to get in front. I might delay their lives by nought point
five of a second. It tends to spoil a nice trip out :mad:
Regards,
Steve
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A Small Addition...
There has been one small addition. The little yellow "dealer serviced" sticker
sourced, and a facsimile of my first tax disc for the car, in its original holder.
Yesterday I went to collect a couple of bits at the local dealers, drew a crowd
and just mentioned that it would be good to source one; minutes later I have
one and a couple of spares...
http://s5.postimg.cc/xx23p041j/r5gt17084.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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A Bit of a Dilemma
Hello Folks,
It appears that the original bonnet lagging piece has gone missing, presumed
engulfed in fire. There's no chance of a replacement from France, though I
have a part# 7700 754 120 - I've not found one available second-hand.
So, it comes down to alternatives and the minefield that exists there. I have
managed to find some 10mm, as opposed to Silent Coat's 20mm offering with
both having a sticky backing for mounting and heat deflection by aluminium cover.
I have 4 sheets of 2mm Silent Coat pads to use in the indents and be covered
by the bigger sheet.
However, how messy and afterthought is this...?
http://s5.postimg.cc/jpv92p1tj/r5gt17085.jpg
That's after a day or two since unwrapping and trying to lay the sheet out
flat. Then I had a brainwave...
http://s5.postimg.cc/x825ezdyv/r5gt17086.jpg
I have a small travel iron and without any heat I managed to get the surface
a little smoother. Here's an attempt at a 50/50...
http://s5.postimg.cc/cy4tzuctz/r5gt17087.jpg
I'll probably have another go, maybe with a little heat, just to see whether
it can look a bit better. I'm open to alternative, and tidier, suggestions.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Looks great! Are you going to bring it along to retro show? :agree:
What did you sue on the mirror bases to bring them back to grey?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Very well done Steve and it looks awesome!:agree:
It's great that you have got in it and thought it great to drive especially when you have the Laguna for power and refinement!
My phase 1 is crazy even in its current running in period but great fun. I am looking forward to getting my standard phase 2 roadworthy and would be over the moon if it was as good as yours!;)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Wow!!! absolutely stunning Steve, great to see it all finished off and looking very shiny fresh from the show room! :agree::agree::)
Awesome work :cool:
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Some underneath pictures...
With the car round at Karl's workshop for a few more snagging items to be sorted,
I took the opportunity to take some pictures under the car, mostly to keep an eye
on any areas needing protection. The rear suspension beam now needs a quick
coating of Bilt Hamber Dynax C and a couple of nuts and bolts need a squirt of
some ACF 50, otherwise, it's looking pretty tidy under there.
http://s5.postimg.cc/y9e3u5cvr/r5gt17094.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lgpzu819z/r5gt17095.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/torxf7t6f/r5gt17096.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vvw634ygn/r5gt17097.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/jvfbg5gfr/r5gt17098.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bn8shez5j/r5gt17099.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/chzxh6wdz/r5gt17100.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/hfdi2ayd3/r5gt17101.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/uncvv8vw7/r5gt17102.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/k4cw62t87/r5gt17103.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/gfn76lj7b/r5gt17104.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3s2ugcewn/r5gt17105.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/43kat3vcn/r5gt17106.jpg
If I get an opportunity, I'll be having a go at removing some of the accumulated paint
shop dust, though it isn't as bad as I'd imagined. The biggest mystery on the snagging
list is why the car still jumps out of 5th gear. The end cap has been off and suspect bits
replaced, with no apparent effect. Also on the list is the choke flap sticking shut.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
As the car progresses slowly toward completion, the snagging stage is almost
over, there's been some expensive spending. We start with replacement
bumper strips. The prices that have been asked for even a split into front or
rear has been eye-watering, so I'm thinking the £150 for the set, even though
they are replicas is not too bad.
http://s5.postimg.cc/x6miixawn/r5gt17107.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/778yjh3lj/r5gt17108.jpg
The originals are a bit scuffed and untidy looking so with newly fettled paint
on the bumpers, these will look the part. I like the guiding inserts which will
make it a little more certain that they'll line up beautifully straight.
Next comes the biggest jump in price of almost anything. When these were
advertised at the beginning of the resto, I could have got change out of a
tenner, including P+P. Then they began to escalate in price to the point where
I asked Karl about the condition mine were in. He assured me that they were
okay, as far as he could remember.
When it came to the final re-assembly, things were not quite as tidy, and it
might be a good idea to find replacements...
http://s5.postimg.cc/as4u2p853/r5gt17111.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/999fxq1kn/r5gt17110.jpg
However, the price by now has multiplied 10 fold, which is just stupid! At least
there was a kind of lottery option where the seller offered a single set each
week in an auction starting at a penny. Some of those auctions were even
more profitable than the fixed £99.99 inc P+P. Can you believe it? :doublesho
Here's the replacements, just the caps, with a saving of 40 quid, but still way
over the top...
http://s5.postimg.cc/6x1g04ozb/r5gt17109.jpg
The last of the R5's 2017 show outings was a couple of weeks ago at Helmingham
Hall Classics. I regularly attend this show with PistonHeads, usually going in the
Laguna Coupé.
On this occasion, being parked right next to a fabulous and rare Prowler in solid
black, I was a bit embarrassed because quite often it was being upstaged by
this wee beastie ;)
http://s5.postimg.cc/by8u1hwfr/r5gt17113.jpg
Photo Copyright (C) Darren Gee 2017
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Love this thread!
Crazy prices for some items. Even the reproduction stuff is mad at times!
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A Bit of a Photo-shoot...
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Your car is looking great in these pictures! A quality restoration👍
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Back in a Workshop
Hello Folks,
Well, the R5 is back in a workshop, being readied for its final tickles into shape.
I had intended that it go to Matt up in Oldham, but the mechanical issues,
among other things, prevented that idea of going further. The car is in a
workshop not far away from Karl's and even before I met him, Haydon, in
whose shop the car presently resides, was enquiring of Karl (read that as
pestering) about whether or not I wanted to sell it :doublesho:doublesho
Of course, no sooner than he'd met me, I received the same enquiries, though
with maybe even more urgency. I think it's fair to say that his eyes lit up
when I broached the subject of a damp/wet sanding and final paint / decal
preparation and protection.
So, here's the first 9 pictures of the car in its new temporary home...
http://s5.postimg.cc/9sag05x13/r5haydon001.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/6mpu9yeev/r5haydon002.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/y3tfypfuf/r5haydon003.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/coxh0g2uv/r5haydon004.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/3l3ndqqnr/r5haydon005.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/jtfa9ha47/r5haydon006.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/suyf0txfb/r5haydon007.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/i6uo1zng7/r5haydon008.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d4dc77e5z/r5haydon009.jpg
Haydon, I did say temporary!! :wall:
The car will receive a full treatment, including caliper repaint, wheels all
re-sealed and the full-fat ADS Octagon Kit, once the surface is flatted and the
OE decals are attached.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Very clean - I'd be scared to drive it! :)
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello Folks,
Well, there were periods when I thought this day would never come. There
were some high points and, sadly, some very low points. The highest was
probably the return of the gearbox as almost a work of art :niceone:
There's still a bit of a snagging list; the biggest hurdle being why it still wants
to jump out of 5th gear so easily when it didn't do it during the break-in runs
and to cure the gearbox leak caused by one of the brand new driveshafts and
its faulty seal :eek: It looks like paying premium prices to specialist
suppliers has not necessarily been a wise move toward securing reliability.
I know everyone likes pictures, so here goes...
http://s5.postimg.cc/74jr58mdz/r5gt17126a.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/xpma0sh1j/r5gt17126b.jpg
Revel in the ones that show the new bumper inserts, and also the replaced
side decals.
http://s5.postimg.cc/3xp7lnc8n/r5gt17127.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/se7dg3aef/r5gt17128.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/bqfvdmahz/r5gt17129.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/gp3ds4yvb/r5gt17130.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/vxtb5x09j/r5gt17131.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/8wcq05l6f/r5gt17132.jpg
...and outside in the sun; plenty of amazing reflections...
http://s5.postimg.cc/3xp7lnjyf/r5gt17133.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/rbx6xl9lj/r5gt17134.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/t3q5sj393/r5gt17135.jpg
I know how to put on a good scowl!! :D
http://s5.postimg.cc/d5hg2dlvr/r5gt17136.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/99446dlgn/r5gt17137.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ky83uck53/r5gt17138.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/ekj0r4htz/r5gt17139.jpg
See the green tinge in the fleck?
http://s5.postimg.cc/4zze48d2f/r5gt17140.jpg
The new bumper-strips really set the finish off :niceone:
http://s5.postimg.cc/q9n0f2lnb/r5gt17141.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d5hg2eogn/r5gt17142.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/z4nupmkqf/r5gt17143.jpg
Home Once More
http://s5.postimg.cc/csq1w8dwn/r5gt17144.jpg
Missing from the rear door is the spoiler and rear badges, both being at the
paint shop awaiting their own tickles,
http://s5.postimg.cc/j6f4zi5xz/r5gt17145.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/c379jw887/r5gt17146.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/gcbzm1w1z/r5gt17147.jpg
This has been a 4 year adventure that took double the intended timetable and
was kinda over budget. Two things occur from this. First, if I were to attempt
to make a start from scratch today, I'd definitely not be able to afford it!
Second, is the almost meteoric rise in the value of standard cars. Quite where
that will plate out is anyone's guess.
From a cosmetic point of view, the ADS Octagon Kit gives me probably 4 years
of good protection, though I am tempted to enquire about a little more work
on the bonnet to reduce the orange-peel a tad further. The decals on the hub
caps will also need to be re-done, these are in the wrong place.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Alex
Very clean - I'd be scared to drive it! :)
Nahh, I'm driving it like it's intended. I told Haydon, the guy who did the wet
sanding, that I haven't got a museum to put it in and besides there's plenty
more use in the car yet...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
It's just stunning!:) I imagine thus to be one of the very best in the country.:yeah:
Well done Steve, I'm quite sad this is the finale.....:cry:
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
It's just stunning!:) I imagine thus to be one of the very best in the country.:yeah:
Thanks for the compliment Matt, but somehow I doubt it. My attitude has been to have
it shiny in all the right places. I have only replaced what you might call "service parts",
at least those with some obsolescence in them, where others with masterpieces can
probably barely point to any part of their car and say it was attached at the factory.
That might produce a stunning looking car, but to my mind, it's only a replica. Each to their
own, but I don't belong to the "I can wave my PayPal harder than you" brigade. It'll still get
driven like I've stolen it! :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
I'm quite sad this is the finale.....:cry:
Nahh, it's just its first curtain call. It's really the start of a "2nd life" for the car and I'll
probably be updating this thread with its ongoing adventures...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
It looks amazing, well done. A credit to all the hard work that's gone into it.
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A Trip to Great Yarmouth Seafront
Hello Folks,
An absolutely gorgeous day by the beach at Great Yarmouth seafront, to join
an eclectic mix of ancient and modern American cars, a couple of supercars
and be more or less the only hot hatch on display. The R5 kinda stole the
show, with so many people being quite bowled-over by it. As ever, let the
pics do the talking...
http://s5.postimg.cc/g8rtgqu0n/r5gt17148.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/j2uyu691j/r5gt17149.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/wwjbj8whz/r5gt17150.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/l7fbv92yf/r5gt17151.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/r8d0sc507/r5gt17152.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/d1x9x4p07/r5gt17153.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/v4qcobxpj/r5gt17154.jpg
I have one remaining ambition and that is for one of the previous two owners
to present themselves at one of these shows, not only to meet them but to
see the expressions of probable disbelief at their sighting. I live in hope...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Love your car and the effort and dedication. You should be proud! An asset to the club 👍
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LiamR
Love your car and the effort and dedication. You should be proud! An asset to the club 👍
Hi Steve, the R5 ypu have is stunning. well done on all the hard work and getting to the end after what sounds like a hard slog. Where did you source the gear lever return spring and clips. i have been trying to source. Thanks Dougie
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
dmiller1
Hi Steve, the R5 ypu have is stunning. well done on all the hard work and getting to the end after what sounds like a hard slog. Where did you source the gear lever return spring and clips. i have been trying to source. Thanks Dougie
The spring and clip for the gear lever were still available from renault last year, have a look on this thread for part no's
https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthrea...elector+spring
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Gear Lever Return Spring
Dougie, give this a try...
Renault 7701468199- SPRING G/SHAFT
The fiver postage on top will keep you weeping :(
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
thanks Steve, parts ordered today.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Hello all thought id let you know that i Got my ordered refunded as no suppliers have this item left. Finally found it on the french Amazon site. Delivered to me for 17 quid. if you are struggling for parts might be worth a look.
https://www.amazon.fr
cheers Dougie
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An Interesting Dilemma
Hello Folks,
Access to the PDF brochure for the new Alpine A110 came through today and
a fair bit makes very interesting viewing, especially the power diagrams!
However, once in the "stable" I'll have a rather interesting dilemma. It is known
that owners of "projects seen to completion" do tend to be quite easily
persuaded to sell their rejuvenated steed, usually in pursuit of other challenges.
With the value of the OE standard R5GTT cars rising by 86% in the past 12
months alone (that's roughly £7k to £12k) it looks like I'll have one appreciating
vehicle keeping company with another doing its depreciation thing. Whether
one will balance the other is moot.
So to the dilemma. With two pretty toys to choose from and no projects that
worry the heck outta my brain, which one will have to go first, before the
boredom sets in? :burnrubber:
Regards,
Steve
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It's Complete...
...on the outside at least
Hello Folks,
I'm pleased to report that the tailgate is now all spic and span and complete
with its spoiler and insignia in place...
http://s5.postimg.cc/5ofyneysn/r5gt18001.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lzg2jqj07/r5gt18002.jpg
The first clean of 2018. Even though it has its own cover, it was surprising
just what muck came off. The ADS Octagon Kit surface has had time to fully
harden and it was rejecting the ONR with all it could muster. The smoothness
and slickness had to be felt to be believed.
http://s5.postimg.cc/6qq55zch3/r5gt18003.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/73hjc5fbb/r5gt18004.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/49edypkuv/r5gt18005.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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The Programmable AEI Arrives...
...with more questions than answers.
So, beginning with the sales blurb translated from the French site...
Quote:
Originally Posted by GT Turbo Online FR
This AEI is mounted in place of the origin! No beam modification or
fixation is required.
It allows to:
- Adjust your mapping in advance to improve the performance of your engine
- Reliabilize your engine with a very fast reaction compared to a RE209 ... but
especially more membrane capsule!
- Programme a breaker (avoid over-speed!)
- Programme Over-boost protection
- Improve startups thanks to an increased lead in the start-up phase
- Improve stability of idle speed
- Improve the flexibility of the engine, you will not recognise your GT!
The gain in torque and power is immediate compared to a RE209, RE208 or
RE037.
Thanks to its contemporary technology, integrated into the original case, this
AEI will give your GT a driving behaviour that's right up to date! You can set
your lead by connecting a laptop to your AEI, and change all the settings
related to this AEI live. The influence of the advance being decisive for the
performance of your engine, you are finally able to adjust your lead to ignition
based on your engine preparation.
Does your GT have trouble starting? Give it a helping hand by increasing
the lead at startup! The engine clicks at high speed? Calm down in this area,
without losing elsewhere! Do you ride at petrol competition or E85? Exploit
the potential of this fuel with the lead you need ... This is just a glimpse of
what this AEI can do.
There is no more option like the antecedent versions, everything is integrated
basic in the AEI, you just have to connect and exploit or not these possibilities:
Entrance Water temperature:
If you install a T ° probe on your cylinder head (closing plate), you give your
AEI the possibility to program a specific cold advance during the warm-up of
your engine. In the same spirit, you can program a switch controlled by the T°
of water: Your GT is cold, avoid destructive over-revs. Also, in case of
overheating, you can decrease the advance to avoid rattling ...
Entry Lambda AFR sensor or Narrowband:
Do you have an AFR wealth display? a simple lambda probe? Improve your
fuel settings, by logging all engine parameters at the same time on your AEI:
Speed, Pressure, AFR.
Programming Output:
Want to control an instrument with the AEI according to the conditions of
regime, pressure, or temperature? The possibilities are wide, but imagine, be
able to drive a boost solenoid valve, control a WMI, trigger a fan, a shift-light, ...
We ask for a box AEI in advance to the order, with imperatively all the
connectors in the 3 taken, and with a functional coil. The state of the
membrane is not important. The capsule and the case should not be broken
(to make you an AEI in perfect condition).
The AEI is provided with an advance map identical to the 209 or on demand
with an improved engine mapping. A PC + Software communication cord are
also included in the delivery.
So, here it is...
https://s5.postimg.cc/jbdfm7wjr/r5gt18010.jpg
I think the first surprise is that the 3.5mm stereo plug leads to a really old-
fashioned (VGA?) connector. Not found one of those on a laptop for a while.
So, first question is: Is there an alternate lead with a suitable USB connector
and if so, what are the specs..?
Next question is what software gives me access to all the potential controls
that are described in the blurb?
Does it really mean that I need to visit my nearest rolling-road outfit to be
able to realise most of it? I bought this AEI to be able to provide a certain
amount of future-proofing for the car, not least in allowing the engine to be
freed from its lumpy-running past.
That connector seems to indicate that I might need to preserve a laptop in
aspic alongside the car. Please, someone educate me in this sorcery ;)
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
That's a db9 serial connector not a vga. No doubt Amazon or eBay will have a cheap usb to serial adapter.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
An RS232 to USB connector should plug straight into that.
I have found that some RS232 to USB leads don't work, but others do.
I just had this with my ecu, I think it's more to do with the driver that gets installed with the cable.
I bought one from Maplins last week and works fine.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matty
I just had this with my ecu, I think it's more to do with the driver that gets installed with the cable.
My question from there is that if I can get the serial port set up, is the control
software already on the AEI?
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
A stand alone ECU is hardware, it contains firmware, the computer contains software.
Your PC will probably not know what the device is nor what to do with it.
Does the manufacturer not supply the software?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
It appears that ecu is plug and play Steve. I would try it on before doing anything else. As Ian says, you should have some software to load onto your laptop. The ecu would need to connect to the laptop so you can see what's installed via the software.
Great find by the way. Any links to the website?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Any links to the website?
Link to Seb's Gontier Racing site
There's still some research to go with this new toy. However, I am counting upon
it to "future-proof" the control of the engine. The translation of what attracted me
is shown above...
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
It's advantages:
Plug and play into the 5GTT, no wiring or plugs to be changed.
Same map as 209, or better, not sure what he saying.
Disadvantages:
For the cost of it, I'd rather have a proper standalone ECU that could also do EFI, and was a known item for mapping, such as the Adaptronic. And that more features cold be added to, such as wideband lambda, narrow band is a bit pointless really.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Well, it's the plug & play aspect that I see as a route into "future-proofing"
what goes on under the bonnet. I am assured by Seb that this unit povides
a much more fuel-efficient engine (at standard boost, which I'm perfectly
happy with) but without the need of going to EFI. Adding the latter only
brings electrical / electronic complications and is not subtle enough to hide
its non-standard presence below an opened bonnet.
Just the way that the "noise" of an irregular idle is removed assures me that
stresses on the engine will be put to better use as the smooth and improved
acceleration happens. The engine was in quite remarkable condition when it
was overhauled, so helping to improve its running via this simple route will
definitely benefit future keepers, if not its present one. Doesn't that go some
way toward achieving a level of future-proofing?
All that said, I'm glad I got in early as I too would baulk at the current retail
price the unit has crept to :(
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
You can't future proof it. In London in 3 years, they are banning non Euro 4 cars, that mean any petrol car older than Jan 2006. Fitting that mappable ignition doesn't make it comply with Euro 4 emissions requirements.
You wont get an improvements in acceleration or smoothness if it has the OE map, which said it comes with. It'll need remapping to tweek it.
My car didn't have an irregular idle once I fixed Renaults laughably poor electrics. Irregular idle can be related to the failing OE Renix units, mine did it and required replacement.
More fuel efficient means he's advanced the timing a bit to use more of the fuel, but that can lead to pinking. And I found that it can run a bit lumpy and weak if lean, but that was adjusting the fuel, which this unit can't do. To really get fuel efficiency you need EFI and a lot of sensors and good flow and mix and burn.
If the carb is not working fully, mappable ignition is not going to fix it.
His suggestion that his map is far superior to Renaults map for the standard car can't be more than a sales pitch as Renault will have spent a lot of money on those aspects of the original car.
This device is about changing the OE ignition map to get better out of more boost and a few modifications and is exactly what the modified car needs.
It's limited in that it only measures revs and manifold pressure. There's not a great deal that can be done with that.
A better solution is to use something that also reads:
coolant temperature,
inlet air temperature,
wide band lambda,
throttle position,
other stuff.
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ian S
You can't future proof it. In London in 3 years, they are banning non Euro 4 cars, that mean any petrol car older than Jan 2006. Fitting that mappable ignition doesn't make it comply with Euro 4 emissions requirements.
Being 120 miles away in the Suffolk countryside and the car only visiting
London once in my ownership, this presents no threat during my lifetime
and probably well into the lives of future owners.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ian S
My car didn't have an irregular idle once I fixed Renaults laughably poor electrics. Irregular idle can be related to the failing OE Renix units, mine did it and required replacement.
Kinda proves my point. With all new electrics to and from the Renix after
the resto, I have no change to the irregular idle found before this stage.
I have no idea if brand new ones are available, though used ones do fetch
stupid money, and I mean stupid for a piece of ancient technology with no
warranty that could break down the very next day. So, the cost difference
toward an upgrade that can be tweaked makes it less of a hurtful spend.
I'll report further once the day of fitting is decided.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Well, they'll extend that to other city's, then larger towns. Villages and rural areas eventually as they are saying they are ceasing combustion engine by 2040, if not sooner. 22 years probably is a long time but hopefully then I'll still be alive, having fun, and driving.
By fixed I didn't mean change corroded OE for new OE, I meant change for a much better way of moving current around the car. Joining the wires from and to different places. Doing it much better than Renault did. Which is more proof that for something that is going to be used, not a museum piece, sticking with OE is wrong.
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First 2018 Outing
Hello Folks,
Not long back from the car's first 2018 outing for a PH visit to a Lotus & Aston
dealer just outside Norwich. Some very interesting cars in their workshop!
Recent MOT passed with no advisories and some rather nice compliments
from the examiner.
The value of the R5 from April 2017 to March 2018 has increased by a little
under 50% which I find quite unbelievable. The 80 odd percentile increase of
the 12 months previous was a tad overdue, mostly because spares are either
hard to secure, or really expensive and often both!
These are live auction results, presumably of standard spec cars, rather than
some of the dodgy specimens found elsewhere on-line. So a few pictures with
which to renew my agreed value amount which this year is £16k - it's just
nuts and I fully expect it to reach £20k well before its 30th birthday.
http://s5.postimg.cc/w7docg9hz/r5gt18011.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/mmu1pkzlj/r5gt18012.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/kv12uo8iv/r5gt18013.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/9iohcwup3/r5gt18014.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/lkjv71w7r/r5gt18015.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/fwdkg67av/r5gt18016.jpg
http://s5.postimg.cc/glwcsikp3/r5gt18017.jpg
Yet another day when I got seriously asked to sell it. These are getting a tad
too frequent
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
The question is Steve, how much would you sell it For? 😁
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
The question is Steve, how much would you sell it For? 😁
At the moment, I could not part with it unless you stole it - and you'd need
to kill me to get past its immobiliser and alarms, both of which have been
very cunningly integrated into its looms. So, you'd need to come up with a
proper life-changing amount.
All these monetary values really become meaningless when you attempt to
assess the sheer fun these cars provide. You should know..!
Regards,
Steve
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The Final Touch...
Hello Folks,
Well, the snag list is slowly becoming a blank sheet of paper, so time to add
some finishing touches. I had planned to cut a sheet of proprietary matting to
the original shape and paint it black. Problem was the horrid creasing that
simply refused to go away, no matter what.
Then, on eBay came the opportunity of buying a new and exact replica, but
made in modern materials. A quick phone call to Karl and we came to the
conclusion that as everything else is so tidy under there, the new mat would
be a much tidier option than our home-made affair, even if we could remove
most of the creases.
So, a large amount of money, produces an equally large box, containing a
very smart looking mat. As with the side panels, there have been a couple
or three sound-deadening panels stuck in the "voids" which should help the
engine sound to become less rattly. Yeah, I know, without a pic, it didn't
happen...
https://i.postimg.cc/13sqzjDF/r5gt18018.jpg
Regards,
Steve
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Makes a huge difference Pete. Looks great! :) I take it that the mat is a reproduction item?
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Re: R5GTT Project - Off the road since Sept 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matt Cole
Makes a huge difference Pete. Looks great! :) I take it that the mat is a reproduction item?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lowiepete
Then, on eBay came the opportunity of buying a new and exact replica, but
made in modern materials.
Wot he said ^^^ ;)
Regards,
Steve