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anyone care to explain?
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anyone care to explain?
And location ?
ahh my location was deleted for advertising i assume? back now though. still would like to know where my PRIVATE messages have gone
:scratch:
Will look into the issue :agree:
i would appreciate that, odd that its only mine that seem to have gone?
Lee, perhaps you can also look into why my board moderator status has been removed, without so much as a PM from the Committee person who carried it out?
I'm not saying it is an option here, but all pm's can be read by admins through the cp panel.
Nothing is secret
Told ya Adey :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottKinnear
Here we go again :popcorn:
Will do Mart :agree:
RTOC police state!
well someone top level has done something and it needs to be sorted
id click like but i cant see that option here lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TopCat
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Originally Posted by TopCat
I hope not. I think the rank and file are simply not interested in the politics that have been going on around here but if this is more than just an innocent mistake it would be the last straw.
Hahaha. I'll pm u on rtof.... THIS I'm sure is one of the reasons rtof is building members. :jerkoff:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
its not the first time issues with messages being read has come up
You were correct in your first breath, it is not an option hereQuote:
Originally Posted by ScottKinnear
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeR5GTT
Your probably right mate, but I never give moderators the option to see that either in there c panel. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeR5GTT
I for one certainly have never had access to anyone elses messages etc.
As above. I've got no control over anyone's messages
who was the last person in there who changed my location? maybe they know something?
Not the only one :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mart
Poor show if this is been done on purpose....
We will loose long standing members, loyal club members, and not just those you want rid off...
Members are fed up with reading all this stuff... And will leave the club
No they can't. You should check information like that before you post it. Some might read that as you trying to trigger a backlash.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottKinnear
Agree ,what the hell is going on at the moment with the club and its committee ??? Some ones got a bee in there five by the sounds of it , very poor showQuote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
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Originally Posted by Scoff
Scoff is right...
I had most access, it was not possible for me to read pm's...
Well there is a hack, but would make it very obvious for the person who I wanted to hack....
You don't always need a hack, from what I can see db access is enough to get into them if someone wanted, there are legal and moral complications of doing this though.
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=299006Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoff
If your the admin scoff, you know it can be done. There is no traceability of it being done. Every message written in pm is available to see. It's also written into most skins as standard.
Whether it's available here in the c panel would be up to the person who set it up for you at the very start. It's just about choosing what you want too see.
I was just responding to a members post. The fact his pm's disappeared would indicate his right to use them was taken away. I was just saying that doesn't need to happen to read pm's. That's done else where.
Hope that's cleared up :) ( just be careful who's watching you. Not just here but on them all.
I should add. It might be available as a plug in and never installed in which case scoff would be spot on
:sad2:
They in theory could , but ethically not right to do. Its also a bit of hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoff
I have no fears that the RTOC committee can read any ones PMs but their own.
What the hell is going on with this club at the minute, all it ever seems to be is arguements arguements and more arguements about the same sort of shit. I think there are a fair few members on here who need to give there head a shake and stop shit stirring. Also if one of the committee or who ever has made this mistake be it genuine or not needs to grow a pair and hold there hand up!!!!!! Sick of reading this bs now
I'm getting a bit fedup of all of the bitching on Rtoc, didn't used to be like this. Feels like Rtoc has turned into Cliosport
RIGHT WHOS GOING TO OWN UP TO GOING INTO MY PROFILE? CHANGING MY LOCATION AND DISABLING MY PRIVATE MESSAGES?!!!!!
some ones done it and you need to hold you hands up! that is not on in the slightest :mad: im assuming theres a log of activity and id like someone to take a look into who has done it and an explanation
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It's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
Really is, when ever I edited permissions or banned people I always messaged them to let them know what and why.
Adey has done nothing wrong COMMITEE, long standing member... All car forums look the same.
Feel free to ban mr aswell, the way things are going not going to be much of a club left,..
No one here at RTOC has higher vBulletin admin permissions that I do and I was not aware it was even possible to read members PM's.
Assess to the site files and database via FTP, or anything, is restricted to only two or three people, me being one. The other two set up the website and I'd guess, would have no time, never mind reason or interest, in retrieving individual PMs.
As far as I can tell there are no plug-ins, or anything else, installed here to enable it.
As far as I know, the last time "issues with messages being read has come up" was about 2005(?) on the old site? Never before or since?
Such a facility WOULD be useful as when I was deleting spammers 7 days every week, up until the talk of a rival website 4 weeks or so ago and joking or otherwise, the inference that this site was about to be undermined and all the hard work reduced to nothing, I was also deleting spammers private messages so they didn't sit there for ever clogging the database, as deleting an account does not delete the messages. It would have be useful to see when the messages were if more than just the welcome message.
Also where people have been banned for, basically, thieving from members via the classifieds, it would have been useful, maybe helped us get some money back for whatever.
ok and a response to who changed my settings? the log of who went in there?
Yes, but again just to be clear to everyone, it isn't available here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottKinnear
It isn't available in adminCP, even to top Administrators, of which there are very few anyway, meaning the only possible way would be to enter the database and rummage round until I found what I wanted. Only me or Gordon could do that, and I'm sure I can say on Gordon's behalf too that neither of us have any interest in that at all :)
By 'they' I mean the committee and admin, and 'they' can't, with the exception of Gordon perhaps but I'm confident he's no time or interest in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
The last thing we need now is people thinking that their private messages are being read too.
good to know but someone did go in and change stuff in my profile, my location and turned of private messaging, is anyone looking at the logs to see who did it?
No, no - I clarified that in my last statement Scoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoff
I said they could. They being them who have permissions. I have no idea what has and hasnt been installed as an addon.
I also said I dont think they would.
Any way around , there are not T&C written by RTOC expressed or otherwise that say they will or wont access messages.
Just to reiterate , I dont think the committee do read messages.
ok so im starting to think something fishy is going on here, 4 committee members have posted in here and at least 6 have viewed the thread, only one has said they will look into it yet no one has given an answer at all. That's nigh on 50% of those in charge have seen this yet nothing is being said, in fact it almost looks like im being actively ignored?
Its really not on that someone upstairs can get in and mess things about like that and i will continue to keep bringing it up, you cant get this brushed under the carpet like all the other threads!
Well something must have happened to the site Adey, I was upgraded to Moderator status yesterday & could move threads about etc, today I can't but I can still warn members :confused:
So maybe a problem with the site ?
a moderator should be able to do them things?
to much of a coincidence for my liking, my location was deleted at the same time, and i know that was deleted
as a mod can you not see if its actually being discussed?
Mods can't see the committee boards... Can see the bad threads page...Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
I wonder if who ever changed Adey's settings actually told/had the committee permission to do so, or whether it was just some sort of drunken mistake/committee powertrip/abuse of powers, abuse of trust
even then all they need to do is come forward and hold there hands up and say sorry. there are usually logs for this sort of thing so im sure they could be looked at?
Might be wise to pm miller, he has been active lately and having a clean out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
I would of thought that one of the 4 CM's in here would of made it known to him and the rest of the Committee as they were going to look into it...
There are logs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
Assuming the relevant people can get into the admin panel ( Scoff - who can ? ) the logs can be viewed under Statistics and Logs then Moderator logs. This views all post moderation.
For profiles its a bit different.
Log into the CP and there is a user finder , find the user.
Note just to the right in small letters there is view change history.
You can then view who changed what.
Hmm, that appears to just tell the usergroups. Not profile changes.
:agree:
You got to the bottom of this yet Adey?
nope nothing no pms or anything
I've just asked Shaggy & he said it wasn't him....
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Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider
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Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider
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Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider
maybe big steve you should of asked genesis he had a invisible touch pmsl
I don't give a shit as to whom has done what but can someone from the Committee (I don't care whom), please just message Adey advice what happened apologies and then close this thread. (I just want to read about car's, project's and tit's). If anyone new was looking at the site at the mo i would not blame them for not wanting to join up (Bad enough being an existing member and reading all this on a daily basis),
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Poor show James :sad2:
No nips :cool:
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by James5
It's 60% of the daily live screen now just crap and all the good stuff gets swollowed up in clubs issues.. I still haven't renewed my membership as of yet and the jury is still out if I'm bothering this year. I may not be a loss but the slope might get slippery from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonny5
What piss take this club is. A member I'm good mates with (who will remain anonymous) has asked for the R T O F web address.
I messages him and it comes up with ******
Who's the :jerkoff: that wont allow that as content in a private message? You have no right at all to do that.
It could be telling you then that a fair few members are having a few issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nottswoody
:agree: I used to enjoy the free entertainment reading the bitching going on here but even for me it's getting a bit boring now, I thought it was a car club not a Jeremy Kyle club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonny5
And those that aren't need to get off those topic's and let the ones that are having issue's sort it out with committee / mod's :DQuote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Freedom of speech, Adey being treated discriminately, members who technically own the website are having the rights and freedom removed....Quote:
Originally Posted by TopCat
No response from the committee is a joke, their given the rights by US the members, we can also remove them!!!
whats really grating me is the fact ive sat and watched the majority of the committee log on to the site today and view the thread some repeatedly but not one has said a word....
yes i was that bored and i was off work but theres a neat button on this site that lists online users and what they are up too, :( not something i would ever thought would happen here.
Also blocking of certain words from the site it seems?
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
It's a joke, really is, I was on the committee for years, promote the club hard...
How ever now, I will be promoting the other club/group...
Now what to do with all the email addresses I collected over the years (evil laugh)
*for legal reasons I will point out the above line is purely a joke.... Just like the current committee (although some are top guys and work hard etc, their good name and work is being ruined by all this shit)
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Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
Think you mean this ;)
Freedom of Speech, No rules broken :p
Haha yepQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonny5
We can talk about mlr, clio sport, 21toc but not Adey's new one??? Discrimination against the member who OWN the website!!! The committee don't own RTOC
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
Bit like what you should have done. :mad:;):pQuote:
Originally Posted by James5
Why bitch & moan about it all the time. Just **** off & don't log on anymore, simples. It's a free world.
I've had enough of all the back biting, bitching & moaning from the same members. For all we know you could be making it all up yourselves to drive a wedge through an already split RTOC.
We need to move forward from all this & rebuild RTOC, if that means members leaving or receiving bans then so be it.
It is pathetic some of the pettyness thats been going on the last few months.
Adey someone will be in touch tonite you where told its being looked into and thats whats happening. I am working late so been checking on my phone all day to see whats happening. But thats all I can do.penfold I am really surprised you are being like this as you said you have worked hard over the years. this really could be the end of RTOC.
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Originally Posted by 5teve L
:agree:
Exactly but you should have done it a while ago also :D:cooter: (not just you Andy but all of us including myself).Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
( that's my last post for this thread) :D
.,.
I was helping both sides in my posts Ill have you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by James5
I said it is possible to access PMs with plugins etc , but I didnt think it was ethical and I didnt think the RTOC bods would.
Cheeky bloody Southerner :wasntme:
thanks for that, i was told it was getting looked into and that was it. there are plenty of cm's that have all been on line today and have been through this yet no one has said a word, the person who did it in the first place should of said something.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
And I just told you that it is being looked into. It really is that simple mate. The commitee are haveing a conference call tonite. And please guys if its that bad and your going to promote another site to pull RTOC members away then not on here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
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Originally Posted by 5teve L
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Originally Posted by 5teve L
Cos fug all seems to happen Steve.
Its great a few people shouting stop moaning and lets all have a group hug , but sod all appears to be happening from the outside. It seems that some ( lots ? ) are a little upset by some things on RTOC.
Threatning bans , or leaving the site is going to do a couple of things
1) ignore the problem
2) create a silence policy , where you will be brow beaten into silence.
3) drive people to find alternatives
4) lower renewals / new offenders. Sorry sign ups ;)
There are a few fixes.
1) Enter into dialogue with the troublemakers/backbiters/wedgedrivers/northerners/southerns
2) Start becoming more transparent.
Its great that Ross has started posting committee thingies up. Its great that some dialogue has been entered into.
Its then been negated by this PM-Gate saga. It was one thing that the hierarchy didnt need right now.
You cant make an omelette without breaking a few eggs unfortunately.
If I get a ban then so be it, but I cant sit back knowing I am cheesed with some things and I didnt speak up. Its just not the way I work.
look above for your post its that simple, its not that involved is it? the person who did it comes to me either on her or via pm (which should of been done first) and says it was me and this is why so on and so forthQuote:
Originally Posted by chris
+1000 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
Lets fix the issues , not try and drag them somewhere else.
Hey bud I'm far from saying any of this is your prob bud.. It's the "club" in general it's 60% doom n gloom.. I have Facebook to listen to people moan on the "club" used to be a place that was for the motors and that's what I loved.. I really hope someone helps you out I really do.. It's a shame it's come to this reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
it wasnt directed at you buddy it was for 5teve L, i should of quoted his post. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nottswoody
I generally do hope it's not the end....Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
But I am fed up with jack sh*t getting done, and certain members are taking away rights from members...
People on the committee need to look at the big picture and actually do something to make the members happy... That's all that is needed....
I feel let down down by the committee recently as a normal member, nothing good has happened in the last 6 months, ND saga, no updates on the forum, no new deals for the club shop, the general attitude towards members stinks... It needs sorting....
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Originally Posted by 5teve L
im sorry do i cause trouble? im a paying member all i ask is im told why this has happened and who by? but great response for a mod to tell me to fcuk off :agree:
What's all this moaning about change and getting things done?
What do you people actually want?
Adey, please refer to THIS thread.
Would be nice to be able to message certain members, for members to be informed of why they have been restricted.Quote:
Originally Posted by car.crash
Be nice to have club spirit, not a them vs is.
The nick K sage, not being able to say a website name (why not, we can mention all other websites)...
Blue let's rewind a week before the new site etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
People raving about change and wanting things, Andy bond a big shouter on all this.
What do you actually want?
How can you say about club spirit and start a new club.
I'm lost over all this.
Mate you've restricted me but I'm mearly the creator of the site, I haven't sent out any messages or anything? The only thing I have personally done was change my location, don't worry one of you cm's did the same. Posting screen shots from my site could be classed as intilectual property thus I will look into it further on my site. So basically you have restricted my access for no other reason than I run a site that I set up at the weekend?
At least we know now that somebody can read peoples pm's...
There's only one solution- Vote me in as Chairman :agree::cool:
I have £828million to spend on my campaign (and hookers and coke)
And...you all hate me already. Perfect candidate.
Cool. Infamous at last.Quote:
Originally Posted by car.crash
I have posted across several threads what I think is wanted and when.
I dont think you have read them.
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EFAQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveL485
I am not so sure it does buddy. It shows that someone ( me too ! ) recieved one. You can do that via massPM in Vbulletin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
Yeh forgot about that...Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Statement retracted, and apologises to the committee -(grovelling)
Well. Interesting developments since I wrote this in September.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveL485 in September
It's being expedited now though. I think, to refer back to another recent post, the Titanic just hit the iceberg.
As we plummet towards the icy waters, I do wonder to myself whether I should bolt for the small lifeboat of Adey's new forum, or start patching the large hole in the hull.
You do know that the film titanic is floored. There was plenty of room on the drift wood for him and the woman at the end.
In a bitter irony , when put to vote the 21toc decided AGAINST joining the RTOC at the end of November.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveL485
Mate you've restricted me but I'm mearly the creator of the site, I haven't sent out any messages or anything? The only thing I have personally done was change my location, don't worry one of you cm's did the same. Posting screen shots from my site could be classed as intellectual property thus I will look into it further on my site. So basically you have restricted my access for no other reason than I run a site that I set up at the weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashy
The committee felt that getting in touch with Rich Russell to try and gain permission to take our Articles to use on your site was reason enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
i did nothing of the sort!!!!!! can you prove this accusation. I am actually gob smacked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashy
I would post my response on RTOF but youve banned me. sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
Oh, me too.
That's the kind of forum you're wanting then :scratch:
now thats just childish, its an rtoc issue and should be discussed here, i expected more from you tbh. id also msg you here privately but i cant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashy
indeed i have for theft :agree:
What a load of crap the committee need to give there head a wobble ,this has all come off certain people in the committee how are jealous of events over the last year and seen the arse , and the people who are getting a hard time or sh,it of the committee are real members of this club who have been to events ,organised events more than the committee.
It's a free world and if some one wants to start another page or go to meet with friends then be it , nothing to do with rtoc or committee , try running the club is instead of crying over members and other web pages.
And I bet other members will agree , that's my 2pence worth.
no i dont want people steeling from my site, i dont do it here? morbo has also for trying to incite an inter forum slagging match :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slammed 66
OK Adey, I will answer your question. You say you set up the other site as a bit of fun or to show it could be done easily ?? Really? then why suddenly start to promote the site aggressively ?
You have advertised it/promoted it on here, directly & in-directly through others (& some not in a good way.)
Now you say someone tampered with your PM's, stinks to me my friend :disagree:
It's sad to see core members of RTOC starting a coup against this site.
This is all because of some stirrers IMO.
I'm going to say this now as I personally see it.
Dave I feel has had an agenda, Andy is possibly just a follower, or really clever not to look like a ring leader, for a start I would ban Dave. Don't get me wrong, we do need some say in the matter on here but this has gone way, way beyond that. People give up their free time to be on the committee etc. & for what ?? To be abused & accused of things.
It started by attacking committee members & has now undermined any confidence members new & old have in the way the site is run, so they have won, for now, it will take months if not longer to rebuild the reputation of RTOC, if it can be saved at all, I personally hope it can.
People want to change the committee, why, give good reasons from way before all this started, I bet you can't find many real reasons before all this sh1t started & how many of you are there exactly from the total membership ???
What roles need changing & why, I'm not going to be a hypocrite here, I for one say Miller needs to be more active or needs replacing, so who else & why ?
What exactly did I steel (sic)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
all that other crap has no place in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
But that's apparently what all the fuss is about Adey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
You have members PMing others, blatently posting up about the other site, lso where did you live until it was changed :scratch: ??
I'm not twisting anything, just stating a fact, just like you did, except sh1t sticks ;)
As far as I'm aware Adey lives in Endor? :agree:
Do you control the members here? Because being adults they do what they like
And without so much as a warning or message! For information that is not what I was trying to do, it's not my way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
We have had contact from a different member of RTOF who has said they contacted Rich. But this was done on your request to upload articles to your site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
What is really need is somebody to cast an eye over the committee... To check what there doing, to be able to read the forums, and to make sure the committee have rules and they are enforced...
Organisational abuse?? The members need to feel safe and protected....
Recently I feel a lot off us have lost confidence in the committee as a whole....
We haven't seen anything good come from the committee recently...
Takes an age to get anything sorted....
We need a mass email sent out for an election,..
*Should the club go back to 1-3 people in charge (if so who wants that job?)
*Should the committee continue as they are
*Should we get re-elect current committee members, have others apply for the roles??
*Club rules could do with an update.... Nothing in the rules about contacting members to offer them a new website for events... And yet 3 people so far have had their accounts restricted.
Ivory towers have been built and need knocking down now! :mad:
It's a car forum FFS not an excuse to get high and mighty with your CM title!
Big change required simple to see, or this bitter taste will stay and RTOC will struggle to recover.
Bring back Rach or Bruce!!!!! :)
Steve,Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Now stuff just got personal.
A follower I am not. Really Clever ? I am good at what I do. Thats IT. More specifically I have a wide knowledge of physical and virtual platforms, scripting and basic ( which could possible be epic depending on your knowledge ) of networking.
I have been around and in the Renault scene for many , many a year. Not as long as some of the old boys ( and girls if they are out there still ? ) I see a series of questions constantly be raised and asked. They have been closed / moved / locked just about every time and I asked myself why.
I have experience of running a board. I took some major flack from members when I updated a server from vbulletin1.something or other and migrated it to a more current version ( at the time ) so I know what its like. Do you know how much I charged , or made from that ? £0. It was nothing. I did it because I wanted to put something back into the club, back into the scene if you like.
Now , I have watched the club fall away through lack of members and exposure. The 21turbo was never particularly loved or desired in the UK. The club is now a small free board. We have enought brass to keep going for maybe 5 years with no upgrades.
You still reading ? Ill carry on anyway.
I can see the same things happening here as I could the 21toc. With the exception of locks / bans / breakaways.
I asked a few questions. They were locked. The committee has / had their reasons for locking. I dont agree with them.
I also took note from several older members that things have been amiss for a while ( bearing in mind I have ben here 8+ years )
The thing that is constant is that people are unhappy with various things. They might not say anything on the boards , but I hear it. Some do say things on the boards and are met with closed doors.
I have no issue with the committee as people, hell I know Romil and Lee personally. I have spoken to Chris several times , and Ross. Well Ross lives in Grimsby but lets not hold that against him.
I have spoken to IanS. I dont agree with him on lots of things. However, crucially I do value what he does for the club and its a thankless task.
Collectively though as a unit I feel that the hierarchy is flawed for several reasons. I think that key decisions are made by people , and expected to be backed up by the committee rather than thrown out to a vote to us , the paying people who pay for the upkeep.
I also think the hierarchy should be voted in and not recruited from inside.
So to sum up. I have no grand aspirations to lead the club , or follow Dave into a position of power.
I want to see the club progress , stay open in terms of respecting its members and keep posts that might criticise open otherwise you end up in a fuedal state and that isnt good for either the members or the committee.
I dont think ethically what Steve has done in terms on PM is a good move , I might have used a chinese whisper , or as the young uns call it a viral system to get some publicity over on RTOF. However , crucially I also think its a bit dodgy how Steve left all of a sudden. Something went on there. Shame, I had time for Steve and he put a lot of bloody hard work in this place too. And, its a crucial and , said hello to me at my first meet.
So there SteveL. Shame you thought that. I hope I have dispelled the myth that I am a follower , or that I am a leader.
I am an innovator , developer and evolutionary genius
( see GiraffeIT.com for evidence. )
Now play me off Johnny
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I do not, I don't wish to either, I just want RTOC to go back a bit & take a look at what nonsense this all is, but alas, it has gone way to far for this. People are going to leave, people will be banned & people will stay, the people that stay will rebuild this site, do you want to be one of the people that stay, or go ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
Obviously i don't have much say in this as i personally don't have lot's of experience of the past but i do have to say i'm genuinely surprised this is so drastic!
So let me do my say as an "outsider", i guess people (general speaking) are being spoiled by what we have. Ofcourse i'm guilty too this to as we live in an environment which is awsome to say the least.
What happens here (although less drastic) is something i've seen many times on the dutch forums. That's exactly why i've completely lost interest into posting shit about my own projects. Which is a shame ofcourse as i love to read and discuss interesting matter in other peoples topics.
I have to admit from the second i read the post about Sangliers being on a different forum is the moment i considered signing up for it. Purely cause besides considering this as the most knowledgeable forum regarding old Renault turbo's this is also a place to keep contact with people.
Because the only people i've really met irl and had loads of fun with are the ones going to Sanglier so that's something i don't want to miss out on.
I personally never had problems here but that's probably cause i don't go back that much and also don't understand 80% of your jibber jabber cause it's not my language of nature.
So please all who have issues gather with eachother and play open cards with eachother, don't be too stuborn to admit your faults and try to settle with eachother.
I know whe're all men probably with stuborn minds but in the end this (+ other maybe) forum has brought us all together to what we are now.
Cheers for reading the whole story if you did, hope it has helped!
Arthur
At the minute mate , I think a lot will answer not bothered and that is crucialQuote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Andy, with all that's gone on, & is going on, if you are indeed sincere in all you say I openly offer an apology. Sorry, it just kills me to see RTOC fall apart like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
That made me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tutuur
Because I changed my take on it and warned everyone off, openly on the thread I started suggesting it and changed my own vote after I was appalled at the treatment I received here.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Shame, it would have worked well for all parties. For the record though, I would promote it again if this place turned around.
With all this going on it's for the good of the site at the moment, when the dust has settled in a few day I will review my decisions :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoolio
Steve, you still got my number ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
There is no hard feeling at all. I am genuine and sincere in this honestly. I think RTOC needs some tough love and it will fix itself.
Is that aimed at me? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
[if so]
What in the actual **** have I done now? :confused:
I'm not that sorry you bleedin northerner :cooter:Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Well I don't plan on going anywhere unless I'm forced too, this thread was about someone going into my profile and switching off my messaging, it's gone way further than that. I'm still none the wiser as to who did it yesterday. I'm all for rtoc I wouldn't pay membership for 11 years otherwise. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
It's not like I have previous for inciting riots on here, I've never had a warning to my name that I know of either. I set up a quiet place to talk about cars and that's it.
Right you witch hunter you. I think I still have yours....Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
No one cares...
In defense of Adey.
I set the site up. Had no intention to do anything with it, I was just going to populate the basic structure and then screen grab it and post on here to show my 30 mins work. It was dormant for about a few days and then Adey found the site/me.
My initial thought was that If the club was interested they could have used the site and told all members to shift across to the new site, Scoff clearly got upset by this and I just thought you know what why waste my time. I've only been here 5 minutes. Proboards costs nothing to host unless you want/need upgraded features, the free features are more than you could ever need anyway and I was considering the clubs cashflow at the same time. The clubs poor hosting provider that goes up and down, and all the other stuff that new members see here on a daily basis.
Adey suggested a new name as I had chosen RTOC, like I said it was done for the club. This is when he suggested RTOF and that he would do some work on the site. I deleted the RTOC site and setup RTOF from scratch. The members who had already found it were asked to move across and they did so.
That's about it.
So you were banned from Adeys forum? without so much as a warning? no PM to let you know? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoolio
Sounds like a good old fashioned dictatorship... What were you just saying penfold about The members need to feel safe and protected.... Is that how you feel on RTOF?
Most of the crap lately stems from you, or posts on threads started by you, or you posting on threads... & you seem to feel singled out :scratch: ...Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveL485
& won't you be trying to merge 21OC with RTOF, pretty sure I read a post just now stating something like that... since you are a moderator on there...
While you're there ask him why he wants to ban me will ya :laugh::agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
As I am the supreme overlord on 21TOC , Ill decide when and if we merge. I just need to speak to Chairman Mao ( Craig ) and we then suggest to the minions via a poll which way they want to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
If they want to merge , we merge.
If not we wont.
Simple really.
Until the RTOF is large enough to have an influence in some way shape or form I doubt there will be a merger.
No, I think you'll find I vocalised my issues as many did and I was singled out by Ian because he thinks i'm someone else. I defended myself in kind and [snowball]. The last time he attacked me was when I asked Scoff for his opinion on cylinder head flow around valves FFS!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
And no, that post on RTOF was a suggestion to merge the 9/11/21/25 forums on the site itself together, as there isnt enough cars left to warrant individual forums even if every single car owner were registered. Please re-read my thread, Adey misinterpreted it initially. I just thought a 9/11/21/25 incorporated forum made more sense than individual ones.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Agree with you mate , the committee needs sorting out ,and it's leadership , club events and everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
Do you know what events the club organised last year matt? Which ones did you attend?Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmatt
ChildQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashy
Nope, inter forum slagging isn't tolerated and is stated but we don't have the same rules as here and you don't pay for the service, all decisions will be reviewed as I have said here and if you would like to contact me I'm sure you can get hold of my number. Nothing will be done untill the dust settles
Mmmm yes but to be honest like many on here I am sick to death of both "sides" on here, people are bringing their own agenda's to the table and not being big enough to put those aside and fight for the benefit of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashy
Broadly I am supportive of the club and committee though I now see there has to be change and it needs to be seen to be done. I am massively disappointed with some of the members whom I had some respect, shame on you.
You cant go that far and not name ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoolio
I named names in my rant. I said I dont agree with IanS on things. People need to have conviction in what they are saying instead of pussyfooting around.
Ashy, I give Adey's website 3-6 months max.... If RTOC gets sorted....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashy
How ever if there are no changes on rtoc I can imagine Adey's website to survive and to be well used.
Adey built the website one weekend (I built a pmt trackday in one evening ), which I invited people on RTOC to use whilst rtoc was on and offline a lot... Once rtoc got online my pmt track day one didn't get used.... The same could well happen to Adey's website and I am sure Adey and other members on there would be happy if RTOC improves and changes....
Tit for tat ATM, what really needs to happen is an open dialogue, miller to call Adey, restrictions to be removed, nobody needs to apologise... Just move one for the greater good...
RTOC has been apart of my life for 11 years, which is over a 3rd of my life, I don't want to see it go and I am sure most of us on here & Adey's website think the same....
We just need change, hopefully that will bring improvements....
Most likely some change will happen, and same old sh*t will happen next year... Truth is we are all grumpy old men over the winter because we don't use our toys as much...
He can call me too.
Lmao! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
Andy will call you. :agree::wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by JRP
:mad::agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
....but they won't because then the threat of a ban comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
People like me and you are not put off by that, most are.
Actually I can. You seem to have been fairly genuine, if you can say I did/said that for the good of the club and not feel guilty then fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
I don't know andy or miller so either will be interesting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Oi! You cheeky fecker :laugh:
Yes !Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoolio
IF you have issues with something or someone then let them know.
Dont just come out with Andybond is a plonker . Make sure they know why.
He'd be right though :scratch: :cooter:Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
At least we agree on something :agree::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Where are the mods round here when you want one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveL485
I sure you realise that my comment was not aimed at you. I think the personal is now the problem, positions are now too entrenched for too much compromise as things stand. Adding names will not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
I seem to have lost the ability to move/edit threads, I can give someone a jolly good warning though :pQuote:
Originally Posted by andybond
I realise that dude yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoolio
I cannot threaten you with anything other than my wit and charm.
Others could hand out the lock or ban.
Simply frightful darling.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Damn, better behave. Banned from two sites in a day, god forbid, I'd have to join ClioSport.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
I wouldnt tow the corporate line. After all we need to voice our opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoolio
Some have said shutup Bond. I ignored them and carried on. Your entitled to your opinion. I might not agree with it , but I understand you have one.
Ok so a decision has been made on the committee board I was directed to but this has been effective of just now and didn't answer my actual question? Also I would like an actual conversation with someone on the committee about all this but can't actually pm you to arrange it? Can arrangements be made for a phone call tomorrow?
..
2 things regarding that CM decision...
- Seems a bit of an o.t.t reaction for a few threads being deleted, no?
- Bar posting 'chit chat' on Adey's new forum, how exactly have I been 'working against rtoc'?
And after everything that was posted in that recent 'bad thread'.
Sad to see chaps...
Indeed :crap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mart
Yes its a shame Mart that the 2nd and 14th most active members on this site (based on numbers of posts) are in the Penalty boxQuote:
Originally Posted by Mart
National day , pod , sangliers , national day was not very good last year.what did the committee do ?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
National day was organised by big Steve who was on the committee at the time. The pod day on the same weekend was organised by ross on the committee and I believe sangliers is big Steve's we also did PPC event and then some members organised track days and so on. I don't think that's too bad:confused:
Again, no they can't. There is no facility. No plugins are installed for this purpose. No regular CM has access to the database. I don't know how else to say it sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
No he didn't. I think you have misunderstood something. If you want to show me the post you have misunderstood I will gladly try to explain what I ment.Quote:
Originally Posted by mingblus3
How did they read this message ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashy
GTMATT> that's a screen grab of someone's private profile. To be honest surely they can just do a password reset and then log in as that user.
Scoff, I got you wrong. Have just gone back over the thread, it was actually someone else who commented on my suggestion sorry about that.
Hmmmm.. that would need some special permissions and also send out a re-activationQuote:
Originally Posted by mingblus3
email, so a false email address would be needed too - this doesn't sound good :(
There's going to need some goodwill building on allsides before all this gets resolved. The
thing that really disturbs me is that there a very few posters that seem to be forthcoming
with that goodwill. Do people with an axe to grind really not see the harm they are doing?
It's only in maths where several negatives can possibly create a positive...
Regards,
Steve
It's a screenshot of a PM which was sent to on of the CM's??Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmatt
If Steve goes back through his sent items he can confirm.
No one can read your PM's, not sure how else to say this....
I do/retract my statement about pm's being read. I know they can't really be read (although that could easily be changed if really needed)....
The other loophole is exactly that, to change a members password to access their account, but the member would know something is up as when they next log in the old password wouldn't work and they would have to ask for a new password to be emailed.
As far as I am aware the committee do not read pm's. Adey now knows his pm's wernt read and knows his account has been restricted (this thread need not have happened of somebody had informed Adey about this...
Mate that wasn't the original issue, and 2 days ago it wasn't restricted some one was going in and changing stuff, yet that hasn't been answered in the slightest? the rest of the thread has been blown way out of proportion and I've ended up a restricted member for setting up another site. I still wasn't directly contacted to tell me who was going in and why it happened and I've asked to be contacted yet again and still seem to be getting ignored I can only think that some people have it in for me, I mean I was even getting sworn at by a moderator in here. Really is a sad state of a affairs when a member of the club is treated like this. This thread can now be locked down or whatever I won't be posting in it again, not like anything was actually resolved or sorted so why waste my breath any further trying to sort it as if you do stand up and say anything you only get dragged into being part of some secret agenda people think is going onQuote:
Originally Posted by Penfold aka The Dealer
:agree::agree::agree::goodpost:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
It is not a screen grab of someones profile its a pm sent to a cm. Its comments like that which keep windeing people up please read the thread properly before commentingQuote:
Originally Posted by mingblus3
Yes. This clarifies that there was no going behind the Committee's back with my actions of PM'ing everyone (Including Committee members) who showed an interest in going to Sangliers in 2014 and informing them that moving forwards I would be providing updates in an alternative place and not on RTOC.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
:coffee:
What is all of the needless thirst for power and the constant need to prove who can run a website better??
Whether you are pro RTOC or pro RTOF (First time I have heard of this website), I personally feel that judging by this thread you all have a lot to learn! This Thread has done nothing but damage both websites reputation as they apprear to be run by egotistical megalomaniac child like keyboard warriors.
If these were political parties that were applying to run this country would you vote for either of them??? I think not.
Its time to all grow up and move on. If someone wants to start another site then they are perfectly entitled to do so. Ethically maybe it should not be advertised on here as that's just taking the p1ss! The only aim of this that I can see is to rub people up the wrong way purposely.
I have no alliance to either side here, I do not know any of you. I just love the 5!! :wasntme:
They say the future of work is home and internet based ....ohh dear ,I wouldn't employ any of you based on this shower of shite .
Yes in fairness you sent it to everyone includeing commitee members. Can you see why it would annoy RTOC? I have tried over the last couple of weeks to get hold of you on Facebook and on here and no reply instead everything gets dragged out on the boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mart
Is someone going to answer, as I'm obviously failing to see what it is that I've done, that's apparently so against the club to warrant the decision made?
Ashy, Miller - Did you actually read the PM's?
If you'd like to switch my PM's back on, I'll happily discuss this off the boards.
Seriously, anyone would think I've committed a cardinal sin :rolleyes: :dearme:
I like cheese
Change is needed.
Miller needs to be replaced with someone active that will lead the club, innovate and manage. Temporarily, permanently, whatever. An absent chairman is no good, it's taken this melee to revive his involvement. I feel your pain Chris, I have a half-finished house too, and some half finished cars, 2 kids, an ex :rolleyes:, a GF :cooter: and a full-time job, but I am just calling it as I see it.
Ian- ignoring our own special relationship, you come across as elitist and seem to think we're all below you. I would like nothing more than to see someone relieve you of your workload across the management line of the club, something which an active chairman and a reorganisation would do. There is enough people here willing to help to spread the load IF someone communicates, organises, prioritises and delegates. If this position is making you sick then the other CM's should absolutely do something about it, they are letting you down. The above is not a suggestion that you are removed from the CM, just that you are supported and workload reduced.
Other CM's: Your hearts are in the right place, but look around you. We're in the middle of a civil war, so to speak. Things like this don't come about lightly, it takes a long period of discontent. Look at the unhappy people, key, core long standing and respected members of the club and scene....this isn't just causing upset for the sake of a laugh, it's not trolling, these are dedicated people on both sides that care about whats going on here. Sick of it? Yeah, hell yeah, me too.... ask yourselves why this keeps coming back and coming back and coming back!
I have no doubt that if this is resolved to a satisfactory level, the competing site will be removed. All that goes away and all that resource could be redirected here. If you choose to make everybody happy, then Mart, Steve, Adey, and all the other protagonists efforts will turn positive. Why would you not want this? Can you not see that you guys are as much part of the problem as we are?
Democratically elect a new chairman (unless Miller is going to rejoin the fold and has the time to resume the position properly)
Chairman summarises current landscape, tasks, roles and then redefines roles and reassigns- if more than one person wants each role then a vote is cast as above. This can be an open discussion with everyone, if so desired.
From therein the chairman can manage the team of CM's. Fill in gaps, assist, support, resolve, develop.
We could get there, if you all try!
You would love that wouldn't you Dave.
Let me guess you would be happy to take chairman or accountant.
Nope. Sorry but Ian's conspiracy theory is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by car.crash
Very poor and inflammatory response. Bad attitude :disagree:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok
That's not the case at all adey. It's been explained to you why this has happened.
It's more than anyone that you banned was given. Even your topic on who you've banned on RTOF has vanished
I think if you re read the statement democracy is mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by car.crash
That means voting.
You come across as a knee jerk reactionary.
Was not very good or were good ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmatt
Nat day way epic. Loved it.
The folks that went to pod loved it as well.
Lots of work by the committee on those. I know Big Steve has an oar in for that and needs to be congratulated.
If you want a good accountant who will sort out everything at a very good rate then look no further than here:-
http://www.cattaccountancy.co.uk/
:D :agree:
I will give you a very good deal! :coffee:
Hear hear. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1980
Kick the rif raf out :wasntme:
Define RifRaf ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nottswoody
People who dont agree? People who are perceived to have done something ? People who did their own thing ?
People who just want to argue!Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
or try to understand or move things on Phil ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil W
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
was a fantastic event.
Ask the people from rtof im just quoting the first line.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
EFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nottswoody
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Discontent and breakaways have happened a number of times before. The only reason this one has any additional gravitas is because the handful of malcontents who've done all the stirring, make up a slightly larger % of the membership base, purely by virtue of the fact the club is smaller than it was.
That's not to say change/refreshment is not healthy or required in places. Just not in this fashion.
Good afternoon Trev , you doom merchant :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevhib
Could Sir suggest a more acceptable method other than vocalisation via the boards ?
Genuine question , curious that you could , could not be in agreement but would do it another way.
Afternoon.
I did not suggest vocalisation via the message boards was unacceptable. The axiom runs as follows (and this isn't directed at any individual here): It's not what you're saying it's the way you're saying it. Swap in the word 'doing' for 'saying', for a similar affect.
Also, was suggesting that if past events are an indicator of future outcomes, then the club will survive. There's no doom there, in fact it's more the opposite.
The problem is andy I think you may be missing the point is whats starting to annoy members is the constant moaning and threads like this and thats the members telling you that in this thread? Pm me mate with what you want to change just list them and I will post them on the committee board and then get back to you. This thread has taken over the live page for two days the committee are working hard at the moment that I can assure you we are discussing loads of things:)
Where the hell did you learn that word from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevhib
I have googled it and the result is here
Understand your point though.
Hi Chris ,Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
thanks for the feedback.
The ideas that have been wanted by not just me , but a lot of people have been published. They are in a thread over there ( points to the feedback board ) but nowt appears to be happening , or stuff really , really slowly.
Slammed66 ( Ross ) has put up a thread with whats being discussed ( and cheers for that again :) ) but its not enough.
We need to move on a rate of knots. Move whilst the iron is hot so to speak. Look at the resources around us , Trev , apart from being a merchant of doom and dropping words in sentances that I have no idea is a IT bod. There must be people with a plethora of talent in this club.
I fear my time maybe wasted on producing a new list on what is desired as it will be treated in the way the last one was. Starting out with good intention , and ending up with a small amount of information.
One thing I might dare to say though, is I feel the committee needs to look at being voted in rather than recruiting from within.
Unfortunately until I am silenced ( banned / closed threads ) I will bring up these points. The majority of people wont speak up. They darent I will. I have nothing to loose. I just want to see the club evolve and prosper. In its current guise I dont think it will.
The google result for Axion is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
The word I used, axiom, is as here mate:
axiom (ˈæksɪəm)
— n
1. a generally accepted proposition or principle, sanctioned by experience; maxim
To be honest with you, the word I actually intended was maxim but axiom is ok, lol.
Also, 'lots of words' is what constitutes a message board.
So in a nutshell, i copied and pasted the wrong word , but you used the wrong word anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevhib
:)
I read your point , I was being pedantic ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevhib
Ultimately then you didnt say what people should be doing.
Amen to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
It's stuck in the mud, I have a spade, Andy has some sand and Mart has some cheese sandwiches, but what we need is the chump at the wheel to engage 4-wheel drive, low ratio and stamp on the gas.
God I love analogies! :wasntme:
You copied and pasted the wrong word Andy, though I'm not sure how that's possible. I didn't use the wrong word since they are synonyms so it was correct for the conversation and context. It just wasn't what I intended. Why do you care about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Ah at last. The truth between you and Andy is out :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveL485
In all seriousness though, you won't be banned for voicing an opinion in an appropriate manner. Likewise threads aren't locked for the sake of it or to just shut people up.
I bet at work you are a bundle of fun. I was trying to make light of the situation. Obviously I failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevhib
Apologies Trev. As you were.
So you read my point but didn't understand what I'd written.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
This is great :D
I am the postman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slammed 66
:laugh::laugh::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
No Trev , you saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Trevhib
In those words you mentioned you didnt actually say what you would do ...Quote:
Originally Posted by TrevhibMerchantofDoom
We all have styles. Some are less universal and less well understood than others. That's part of the problem on RTOC I imagine. Ooh, we came full circle!Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
No but in posting the maxim I made an implication about the 'saying' part.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybondMrPedantic
As for the 'doing'. I've made many points and suggestions on similar threads.
I guess I better own up, I was going to message adey & find out what the 'other' site was called. This thread popped up and then there was no need, in a rather backward move by cm's the 'other' site has been openly advertised for everybody to see/find.
I'm also confused as to why a suggestion from Ian s has ended up dividing the 'active members', ideas were being asked for with regards to the website, I will look for it if required but basically it read along the lines, use a back up to redesign Rtoc, making it more reliable & cheaper to host/manage. a simple yet effective forum was created using info from Rtoc to show what can be achieved.
We now have childish he said this, he said that and accusations of ip theft.
All it really shows is both sites are as bad as each other, both sides in agreement that the way a site is run ultimately decides the moral of the boards and something needs to change.
I disagree, looking back over the last few months, I have never been abusive or used inappropriate language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slammed 66
:laugh::laugh::laugh: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by andybond
Stop flirting with him before I get jealous :sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevhib
I never said you had Dave? Also you've recieved no infractions etc so I don't see your angle hereQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveL485
:agree::agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmatt
Andy, Dave
Could you please pm me the threads you are talking about with constructive feedback relating to the club?
The members
I think we need a new topic on Rtoc main boards asking what the members expectation of Rtoc is with regards to the club, event and the committee. The thread will state we are looking for constructive feedback and any post with statements like " this is crap but with no justification or reasoning will be removed" to a locked but visible thread.
This discussion with the members wil be acted on and also a mass email to all members with a link so everyone gets their opportunity to speak.
The conversation will need to be frank and open from the members if it is to achieve any positive outcome.
All we are doing in thread is going round in circles and we need to agree on the expectation of the members and what they want from the club. We will get this thread up and running ASAP.
Regards
Chris miller
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I refer to posts and threads deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slammed 66
I'm afraid not as most have been removed. We made numerous offers of help and offered advice although it got tangled up in the furore, and accusations/flaming of me being this other Dave (which I am still not, I might add).Quote:
Originally Posted by Miller
I can give you a reference on one post that was removed (at my request as to not clutter up the committee actions thread), as an example (Ross I hope you don't mind me part-quoting your PM)
I also refer you to the Club Calendar thread, which was a nice respite from the shenanigans, you can also search my posts if you wish to examine my general board conduct which should be, AFAIK, quite reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slammed 66
On top of that, if you want to seek permission of the senders, i'm happy to share private messages between me and those CM's who will respond when messaged.
Thank you for doing this. I have a few ideas as a relative new member but had no idea where to post them for fear they would just get swallowed up in a thread. Will the moderators ensure that this new thread is kept neat and tidy, so that just members ideas are posted? If it degenerates into another argument, member's ideas will just get lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miller
Hi Mr Hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer
There is a loverly clean thread in the website feedback section ( I think. ) it has all the ideas in there. You will note the thread is a few months old and we can't see a great deal of movement.
You don't think per chance that somebody maybe has suggested politely and than got a little more vocal all these points because of frustration and despair.
Chairman miller : I cannot post the links , as Dave pointed out , they have been edited to areas that I cannot get to.
Cheers bud, I just never know the right place to post anything ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by andybond
OK, so because I messaged all of the people who showed some interest in Sangliers telling them that my future updates would not be posted on the RTOC but elsewhere I cannot now buy some parts for my car through the classifieds section??Quote:
Originally Posted by Miller
Feels like a little bit of an over reaction to me.
So what exactly does my £15 Membership entitle me to now???
I await your response.
[ed209] You have twenty seconds to comply :) [/ed209]Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider
https://wiki.base22.com/download/att...5742000&api=v2
I shouldn't jest.
Miller this is beyond a joke, why are you alienating core membership to protect a committee that are failing the charge you left them with? You cannot deny that is true because otherwise you wouldn't be back here, and an alternative site wouldn't have been started.
Are you prepared to ban us all for no other reason than vocalising discontent?
[QUOTE=Big Steve - Raider;360766
The way i see it, with all that went on over the past few days Steve, your actions have been taken to be poaching members/rocking the boat, however you want to look at it. It may not have meant to be this way but it's how it looked then.
But i'm not on the committee so i don't know what they think.
That's what I'm trying to understand 5teve... Anything I add to the RTOC is my own IP so how can I be accused of stealing it from here??Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
I was just saying that I was not going to update the thread anymore on here, just moving the discussion.
There's nothing in the classifieds at the moment Steve so don't worry, but there is a ktec front mouth intercooler for a 5gtturbo ending on eBay in just over an hour.
Worth a punt :agree:
I hope I'm not redirecting people to a competitor??
:laugh: It's not from a Dodgy Geezer in Guilford is it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottKinnear
Dodgy yes but definitely not a geezer!!! Oh wait I think that was supposed to be the other way round!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider
The more I read the more I get upset.
We have 3 members on restricted access for reasons amounting to very little.
We have a committee that are now aware of the discontent.
We as members are going to have a voice via the thread that the committee will start.
So a good point a few bad points. I understand the need to act, but can I suggest re instating full access and issue warnings to the 3 musketeers.
They do pay for the site and have done for years. Please re think your decision.
Iam glad this looks to have got somthing moving so theism moaners are happy, maybe the ship will stay upright.
Now please committee respond to me here or via pm. Thank you.
Can I make a suggestionQuote:
Originally Posted by Miller
Can we have a separate board for internal power struggles that is not viewable from the live window?
This way the average car enthusiast can come here and enjoy the club
Rather than read the constant(last few years) shite we've had to suffer while egos fight it out
Please stop this the club is loosing its appeal to the guys that count
:)editedQuote:
Originally Posted by JRP
It may have been a bit knee jerk, maybe some of the committee saw it as a possible loss of alot of members overnight & panicked ? Especially with Mart deleting all his posts as well in the events ?? & Adey starting his new site & the content issues ... add that all together & it possibly came to all this ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Steve - Raider
I understand you added your own things to the events etc. & you should be able to do as you will, but it looked like you were jumping ship & had taken all details off RTOC & put them onto RTOF, so why do you care about whether you have access to RTOC anymore, or is it the £15 ?
I for one was gutted & saddened to see ND on the same day as Sangliers, I thought it was poorly thought out, but I can see why the FCS could be for the good of the club rather than a 'jolly' to Sangliers.
Steve, no content issue. I approached off my own back rich to ask, I saw both forums working.. Theft was not even a thought on my mind. Hence trying to do it in correct fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Sorry everybody my nieveaty made things worse.
I give up. :sad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by JRP
finally...the voice of reason....:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Jesus, can you heal the RTOC massif ?? :agree::sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by jesus in the seat of a 5
One more thing , I would like to see me win the lottery. But aside from that if you "reinstate" the ones that have had the chop that would be a good move.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Really , I think the world is big enough for THREE WHOLE renault turbo clubs.
Ian , have you got any anti spammer signup plugins on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian S
Take a peek at these : might make your life easier ? There are naturally better versions in later software but these are what I can find in 3.7
this one
This one is excellent
Another
I have read through all of the posts in the thread and I can not for the life of me work the the real reasons for discontent....
1. Is it the fact that committee members have been given the posts rather than elected? Possibly and to be honest an election should take place for paying members to decide. Anyone can put themselves forward and run however they see fit.
2. Is it the attitude of the present committee? Possibly as I can see some very blunt replies. However I can not really make a judgement as I have no idea about past situations and events. However I really do feel that point 1 comes into play again...
3. Is it how the club is run? Again if point 1 was put into action as it should always be with paying members, there can be no complaint about the committee and how they run it as they were fairly voted in. I am a medium level union activist who negotiates with possibly the largest company in the UK and to perform this role I have to run for election every 2 years. This is down to paying members to vote. If it is not working out, then after 2 years you can change the committee. This works very well in general politics too and is indeed the norm. (Timescales do vary)
4. Is it that the committee is not organising enough events at the right time? Possibly but why wait for something when you can do anything yourself? In life you can not wait for people to do things for you, you must seek to do thing yourself. This generally goes a long way towards success in my experience.
5. Unreliable website issues? I believe that this is getting worked on. If this is the major issue for people then once it is sorted then everyone will be friends again.
I apologise for writing down the thoughts in my head but sometimes it helps me to seek clarity. I can only conclude that an elected committee is the way forward. When you have people paying membership they must be given the choice via democracy. I have no idea where this stand legally when you have paying members but I'm quite sure that running a club disregarding members is ethically incorrect. Now I am not saying that this happens as I have not seem it but a fair few seem to believe this this too be true.
This is just my flip on the current situation and be easily be ignored as i may be way off the mark. however hopefully not and I am hoping that this list gets read and may hopefully help.
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Originally Posted by Rob1980
some more over here too
I do remember that thread, and the one before it. :agree:
+1 (we all count!)Quote:
Originally Posted by youngscottie
Regards,
Steve
Most sensible post in these whole 6 pages!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1980
Miller you need to derestrict access to the individuals concerned they are essentially paying for a service to be a member of this club, they have done nothing wrong in the eyes of anyone with any bloody sense.
Or you give them their £15 back and they are banned, simple but that would be very stupid.
Have they actually broken any terms and conditions of the website are there any t&c's? Is there legal intellectual property rights held by RTOC of the files on this club? If not anyone can take the information and use it wherever they want, which is not a problem as it's not secret. And it's been added free by club members over many years.
I have been a member of this club for some 15 years or so and this has got to be one of the most damaging times in the clubs history, everyone needs to chill the fcuk out and just get on with it, it is what it is a car club, not a political party!
I am a silent member mostly as I use the club for gathering data maybe you need to restrict me next as I have downloaded a load of stuff off here over 15 years.
Please can everyone just get on and can we get back to normal.
I think there needs to be a vote and a change, it has got stagnant, things do with age, Miller and CM's you need to let go and give others a try hell I would do chairman no problem, I would be crap though but I'm sure there are plenty on here that would do it and do it well and inject something fresh into the club.
Deleting posts and messages and locking threads is happening too much on here get a bloody grip and stop losing sight it's a car club.
Rant over. :sad2:
This may be appropriate at the moment.. :wasntme: :cooter:
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Originally Posted by 5teve L
Oh look mighty moderator being as helpful as ever must be a traffic warden in real life.
I know why I don't post much idiots like you the club is going down the pan, do I care not really, not a large part of my life that I have to give myself a glorified title.
Get over yourself FFS. I'm out.
Phil, take a step back from the keyboard my friend. It was posted in jest & not aimed at anybody in particular. I am not a mighty moderator as you put it, i am just as fed up as you with all the crap at the moment, the way things are going on here my stint as a moderator will be very short lived, especially if i have to be pc for having a title as anybody that knows me will tell you it's not my way. I say it how it is, i post what i like & my sense of humour is obviously wasted on this forum.... :wasntme::cooter:
You gotta admit the traffic warden line was good!,:cooter:Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve L
Carefull Phil, he does airsoft :pirate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil W
It was & I did :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil W
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Originally Posted by car.crash
I shoot Hunter field target, airsoft is for wannabe Rambo types Marc :cooter:
Hunter field target.
That's pellet guns to us out the loop :wasntme:
Love you Steve xx
:cooter::hump:Quote:
Originally Posted by car.crash