:agree: The Jaff man speak'th the truth there.
The usual reliable suspects were at the AGM, but where was everyone else? There must've only been a third of the Committee present as well. Poor show all round... :(
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I had to go before the day had even started for family reasons so as Jaffa says it would be unfair for me to comment on the day as a whole .
I let the track ticket sales go this year to see how it all panned out .We had a few members buying more than a couple .....It would seem that the system will be abused if allowed :sad2:
I left the code open for multiple use as we do get some members buying for other members that for whatever reason don't have a shop account .
Next year we will limit it to one per member and one use discount code .Also I will not be sending out the track wristbands .They will be put on by a member of staff on the day after the briefing ( as per any normal trackday ) and we can then check membership etc
This will of course slow the whole day down which is one of the reasons why we left it a bit ' relaxed '
Ok, so is it likely more people would attend the AGM if it wasnt at the end of the day when everyone is thinking about a journey home? If you're not camping the sat night which many dont, and you have a 3/4/5 hour drive home, you're not likely to want to go, are you? Has it been tried in the past to have it earlier in the day?
AGM can go on a bit so the only other time would be the lunch break + some issues raised might then drag on through the day and spoil the fun .
Personally i feel the Nd should be for members only...
something like this
£85 for members to go on track
£35 for 2nd drivers (also a sticker on the car with wristband numbers on for people paid to drive it (could be an issue if people want to drive other people's cars...but most staff/committee know 90% of the members anyway so we will see who is abusing the cheap 2nd driver..
£5 for passanger laps...
£10 for camping..
With the extra income from 2nd drivers and higher rate for passenger wristbands will hopefully balance out non members on track...
Also means for those who want to bring mate's/partners along and trust them with your car on track you still can :agree:
I think this year was definitely a learning curve and quite a few things can be improved from our experience with the 2010 show.
It's unfortunate that not many turned up the the AGM but to be fair, maybe the newer members didn't know what it was all about and why we do it, so next year I'll make a point to encourage attendance of this. Regardnig committee attendance, it was low but to be fair, most of them had personal reasons for not being able to attend. I was surprised still at how few were there.
This kind of thread is great as we need to know exactly what the members think and some suggestions that have been made are actually excellent and will be discussed in detail later on the CM forum. I've personally got a few ideas too which I'll go into more detail on later when I have time. Keep the opinions and ideas coming though guys :agree:
sounds like a plan, its a renault day, long term members bring a push bike for all i care, but these join it and get a cheap day is always a little cheeky.. i wasn't there as due to my car being in bits and my vans not all that sharp on the bends.. its not a crying shame that the moneys gone back into the pot via the non renault tag alongs, but would rather they stayed home..
buy the ticket - list the car entered, reg etc.. if its a string or mazdas, bmw's, hondas etc then refund them... if they all turn up claiming there 5's broken but there track ready mx5 was good to go, send them packing..
i had a mate asking to bring his none renault along to the pod, i said its a bit cheeky and only fair if he turned up and there were tickets on the day.. to sit there and round up all your mates, get them to join or buy up a batch of tickets seems abit low..
who were the guys buying up all the tickets then? i did run my eyes over the last few pages but must have missed it..
i cannot and dont believe the majority of the active rtoc community with any sense including you lee believe that it is such a bloody issue by letting a few other type/model cars come along to the national day be they are members or not...its not as if a couple of hundred of saxos,fiestas,or cortina owners were on track this year or any other year leaving no room for all the "up for it" renault turbo owners.........in fact there was a lad from m3cutters with the 328 who attended who has posted in the general section and has been embraced by all the rtoc that have replied????
wtf is the problem why do people feel threatend by them?? or am i right in saying the ones that want to change the national day at mallory which is a "trackday" into a world series style procession... but is 6 hours long...are the very same ones that feel they are victims of some strangers coming to play in what they must think is there playground!!!!!
i see your point, but the clubs got Renault in the title and the line has to be drawn somewhere.. its can easily get out of hand and it'll be 106 gti owners, polo gtis etc taking over 50% of the places.. we always have the odd one but groups will have to be cut out.. the more other makes out there the less interested i am in going, if i want to blat about with every tom d1ck and harry i'd go on a propper track day.. i want to join in with a higher % of renaults and fingers crossed next year i'll turn up to more than the pod..
im pretty sure some other lads in the playground feel the same..
lots of people are in the club still that have had a 5, or 20 renault turbos.. they will always be welcome, its the join it and go racing crew that need the chop... yeah they can say they thought of buying one once, or there nan had one, my knees go weak over such beautiful storys, but im not buying and hopefully neither are they:)
i know someone will say where do you draw the line etc etc..
who knows.. :scratch:
i stuck my spoon in..:agree:
I really wanted to attend the AGM this year :cry: but being strapped to a spine board was a small problem! Did anybody moan that i shut the track 18 mins early due to a slight issue with my clio?? Sorry about that :sad2:
As said earlier the brief was a joke, even the flag board shown in the briefing room was out of date and did'nt show all the flags being used. I heard something mid morning over the loud speakers saying please only overtake on the left!!
Afew knobs out on track again mentioned earlier and to add the dick head in the red 182 clio who undertook my brother( who has it on film if you want to name and shame the cliosport member on youtube!! ) and then me approaching and on the hairpin.
I agree with J8TRO's input :agree: and maybe mistakes made this year can be rectified for next year's Nats Day,
a member should be allowed to bring whatever car they want as many have moved on but are still long serving members, bod, mart etc, BUT if somone has only joined purely to grab a ticket once a year and never post or contribute feck all then why should they be allowed in. if we have spare tickets and a members friend wants to come along and the comittee agree its ok then game on, but promoting it on the m3 forum and clio sport to get all of them to come is unfair as its our day that we pay for.
also the brief needs stiffening up and the black and blue flags need to come out.
Thanks Jaffa for defending us non renaults.
But it's the same for every club day if other makes didn't turn up it would fail, ala Penfolds coments.
Also the fingers pointing at mx5, is it the hairdresser image?
Because there were as many non renault turbo as renault turbo on track,
5 TURBO BLACK F298 OYR 3
CLIO BLACK L3 VOM 10
CLIO KP08 LMS 1
VX220 GREY RF03 XVS 2
M3 YELLOW M3 JYF 24
5 TURBO RED G143 CPH 9
RENAULT 16v BLUE ACE VEHICLE TRANS 2
CLIO WHITE H186 JBJ 13 INC SPIN
CLIO BURGUNDY M399 RPP 6
CLIO YELLOW K3 MGK 6
406 BURGUNDY R65 EVW 1
SCOOBY BLACK S843 VOR 3
CLIO RED HA55WELL 6
5 TURBO WHITE/RED ELF STICKERS 13
TWINGO L453 AVC 1
M3 BLUE YX52 VUV 9
5 TURBO BLACK F126 GFJ 2
CLIO BLACK KM54 VRV 3
9 TURBO RED 9 TURBO 2
CLIO LIME GREEN 1
5 TURBO BLUE F711 PJH 1
MEGANE BLACK BD06 EXP 5
MX5 RF06 TVO 4
SCOOBY BLUE L33 RJA 1
FOCUS BLUE RV53 WUX 2
FIESTA TURBO RED H79 CKX 1
M3 BLACK MW52 HSK 5
306 GREY P702 BPL 1
MK1 ESCORT BLUE WTT 351K 8
5 TURBO YELLOW F111 CFV 8
CLIO BLUE R13DYO 6
VX220 YELLOW FG02 ONK 1
5 TURBO RED NO 88 CUP 9
5 TURBO BLACK F396 STW 11 INC SPIN
MEGANE GREY HN58 XXR 4
CLIO BLUE BLIHTY 8
CLIO SILVER W286 MBF 2
FIESTA BLUE Y959 KMA 2
NISSAN RED ORANGE WHEELS 3
AUDI COUPE BLACK OIL 1
5 TURBO BLUE C11 GTT 5
PORCHE 911 BLACK 4
5 TURBO BLUE EMA B 15 INC SPIN
CLIO ORANGE BLACK LIGHTS 13
CLIO MK1 GREY WHITE WHEELS 1
SUPRA SILVER 3
5 TURBO BLUE D886 YHK 1
5 TURBO BLACK B2 GGT 1
:rolleyes:
If you have a register of all R5 turbos i'll be back with my reg no' when i dust off the photo cause i had it in 1988:p
wow 18 non renaults... its worse than i thought..
carcrash, even the cliosport boys aren't that bad.. if we can't sell tickets here then id say other hot hatch renaults is the next choice to bulk up the ticket sales..
its the Renault turbo owners club National Day, for us renault turbo or non renault owners as were not gonna be that petty.. old members not rocking a renault get on board too as no one would brush them aside, i was there once..
but if were gonna let everyone else join it lets just jog on the rtoc National day title and call it what it is..
what would have happend if 20 people put their name down on the m3 forum?
would you have provided 20 tickets? and the same applies to foxy on the clio sport thread after he promoted it on there.
http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?p=275274
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showt...hlight=mallory
Hmmmm, red clio 182, that sounds like me :) get the vid posted up for a laugh, just out of curiousity though if there was a vehicle behind wanting to get past why didn't you just pull over and let him past? Plenty of other people were quite happy to let me by there? and a word of advice you should be very carefull who you call a dick head on a public forum as some people might take offence to it ;)
Ok i will put the video online so other can call you the same ( If it was you of course ) as it had nothing to do with moving over when in the braking zone approaching the hairpin!! Don't remember this kind of problem being a issue over the last few years of Nats Days but i suspect the people in question don't actually give i **** as its not there club members there pissing off!
mistakes will be made..........but to be honest if i under took anyone and yeah i did it was 100% intensional cause i had good reason to...the times i backed off on the corners to wait for the straights the cars in question wanted to "race" me along the straights??? fair play??? yeah.i loved it.....if a driver is acting a bit of a pillock all of the time ie in my opinion the lad in the renault 19 early on and the lad in the escort(trying to drift).......there the ones we should be mentioning.......but not a word??? i dont think its a proper issue having spoken to the mushroom racing lad who is a prof driver and spent a lot of time on track for every national day at mallory he says and i quote"the standard of driving is very good and gets better every year"...this statement is also supported by the staff at mallory park.
The position they finished in the race :laugh:
FECK IT... i actualy think it was a cracking turn out even the rain didnt dampen my day :)
Lets discuss the mallory park wasp problem...
They need exterminating in some wasp gasing.... i'll be ready for them!
Can RToc invest in some anti wasp stuff ?
I think you guys need to quit bitching, you sound like a bunch of women. So what if its not all renault turbos. If your driving like a ****er fair play fcuk off, concentrate on the driving experiance.
TBH Nick I'm not sure it was me, but I was the only red clio 182 trophy out there, there was a orange cup race car as well but that was pretty much it clio 182 wise.
If I did offend you then apologies, I did whizz past a few cars there once but it was more because I'd flew through the chicane and was carrying so much speed that I didn't think I'd be able to stop behind the cars ahead. As you well know people make mistakes.
Oi Mart that was the first session (of my first trackday) and I was that nervous I definatley didn't check my mirrors enough LOL but again apologies. :cooter:
I have never attended any ND's in a renault and probably won't for a few years yet as i have just decided to sell my 5 to concentrate on other projects.
I will have a 5 again but i just don't have the time and space to build mine the way i want it.
Is anybody unhappy that i don't bring a renault since i've not been a member for years, just the 3 years? If they are then i won't bring my nissan or whatever to ND or any other events for that matter.
I joined RTOC because i was friends with Miller and Emma and joined them on a trip to the nurburgring arranged through the club, i was really impressed by how friendly everybody was and also the team spirit that was there in spades, i'll never forget everybody on the hunt for springs to try and help Logg fix his actuator at a motorway filling station! I then joined just before ND 08, i have since attended ND 09, ND 10, POD 08 and world series 09.
Am i to be discriminated against because i don't bring a renault to the party?
Not in my experience, i been made to feel very welcome and a part of the club by everybody i have actually spoken to face to face, seems to me that if the mx5 or bmw guys or whoever turns up without a renault were to camp on the fri/sat or both alongside the rest of us and wander round meeting everybody and have a few beers that they would also receive the same warm welcome that i have and nobody would be moaning about them?
provided that non-renaults didn't take over the event should we not just be trying to sort out the mashalling/drving standards and making future ND's better for everybody?
if its a rtoc national day it renaults..
if its a track day for anyone run by the rtoc thats fine, just call it a track day, or link it up with other clubs on the flyers etc so its a propper event..
i'll carry on, i pay my money and i want renault only days.. your moving away from them and want to keep your foot in the door for the unlimited run no Q at the pod and cheap track days.. funny that:) like i say, old members join in, ex renault turbo owner etc join in.. its more than just about the cars etc.. just highlight that for warpspeed above, friends etc are more important that what car etc, but lets stamp out the post it on any other forum and some randoms in.. im sure there nice people, and im sure we'll all get along, but more renaults at the next one..
its a renault day, for renaults..
if we want to do a joint effort with other clubs why not, but on the Renault turbo owners club national day it would be nice to stick to the guide line thats in the title.. :)
[quote=dangerous dave;172926]if its a rtoc national day it renaults..
if its a track day for anyone run by the rtoc thats fine, just call it a track day, or link it up with other clubs on the flyers etc so its a propper event..
i'll carry on, i pay my money and i want renault only days.. your moving away from them and want to keep your foot in the door for the unlimited run no Q at the pod and cheap track days.. funny that:)
Funny how you have you edit your post, scarcastic smiley face:) I want to keep my foot in the door? Just because im not in the position to keep three to four cars at the moment why does that mean im moving away from them? Plenty of members on here that dont have renault turbos anymore, go and tell them the same. I have attended the last two pod days and would have attended more meeting etc only if I had the time, this year at pod I made the journey up to meet up with old friends etc and have a fcuking good piss up not to make good use of the track? :rolleyes:
:agree:, more rtoc gold..:laugh:, to be honest id love to see more 5`s out on track and less of these other excuses for 5`s...:wasntme:..;) but if our members dont turn up , let alone go out on track etc, what do we expect, i must admit , perhaphs we need to provide more in the way of traders etc, maybe more alternatives, anything that might make it more than just a meet /out and out track day, then maybe more members would turn out...:scratch:, hmm tricky one really, just my thoughts really.
All this , you should of moved over for me, i was pissing past you etc though is feckin hilarious...:D...:dearme:..:bored:
[quote=rs250nut;172932]it wasn't that funny...
to be honest with you when dale set up the rtoc curry meet over here in Reading i was a little cheesed off when adam turned up in his s15 and dawn didn't even have a renault.. but i sat through it and had a good time while my p1ss boiled..
i know its about friends and having a good time etc, thats why i go, but its renaults that bring us together..
you can never get your point across on here without sounding like your having a massive pop at someone, there just words on a screen getting bashed out.. if we were all down the pub im pretty sure everyone would have a chat, agree to disagree and get on with the evening without feeling shat on..
I dont think its down to the cars being driven, its down to the members who are there. Do we not let a renault 5 on there because its not a renault 5 gt turbo???
Sometimes this site does have problems of being a gtt only club, eg megane 225 owners, the club does need to move on to continue gaining members otherwise it will just slowly die.
The RTOC national day imo (even tho i am sorry to say i have not been able to attend one yet) or any other club day even is for members like minded who have either past present or future want to own a 5 can get together meet each other and have a good time. Preferably as many renault turbos there as possible but at the end of the day if you are a member and have been for some time its just an occasion to meet the people we all talk to each day/night on this website. National day should be for members who have been involved and even there friends and family, maybe a limit to each member on there friends coming along. But i think people who have recently joined do have something to prove before being allowed on track. Maybe a ban on non renault turbo new members on the track but they can still attend the national day to meet fellow members? In that case if the track is quiet these members who have travelled potentially not going on track will have proved there willingness to be involved and could maybe get some track allowance?
[QUOTE=dangerous dave;172939]
No its was not funny hence my reply after your sarcastic post, you piss boiled because not everyone turned up in a renault turbo? Even when I had a five on the road chances are I would have still driven the bm as the five has always been a second car. Chill out with the angry bull$hit
So you pay your twenty five quid to be a member and are then denied access to club stuff, not goong to work.
:eek: Wow...National Day was to bring us together! :scratch:
Some really good points made and some not so good! Its a very thin line trying to keep everyone happy but perhaps a little more can be done to help the case somewhat..
When we arrived on the Saturday morning my bands weren't checked once. I actually said to the missus we could have got in without them!!!:sad2: Ok I know Im a scouser but I'm being serious! ;)..Not one check..I could of got in without paying!! I was kinda shocked! 2 years ago we actually had one of the funniest episodes standing on the gate checking bands etc..Aint that right Jaffa & Robbo! ;).. I realize people have the day to enjoy as well but if you are part of the organising team then Im afraid its one of the jobs you need to do.
With regards to track, and ok I haven't been on Mallory but thats because the Clio would kill me in the wet and Jesus needed a gearbox, would it be at all possible to split the cars in to categories? For example, GTTurbos out for one session or cars of a similar stature, then progress through out the morning leaving the afternoon free for everyone to race it out? just an idea?
Also, a membership card needs to be shown along with the tickets on the gate. If the car doesn't have a membership car it isn't getting in regardless of whether it has tickets or not!
Another option: Could we not perhaps shut the gates after a certain time? Gates closed although if you have a valid reason for not making it on time then at least phone a member of the 'committee' to sort things out?
Just some ideas to add to the mix..:)