21 turbo engine into 5 gt turbo

now please dont jump down my neck on this guys iv done a search and couldnt really find anything on this
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what i want to know is can the 21 turbo engine be put into a 5 gt turbo or even better has it been done, i know the volvo engine is popular and the f7p but this is something id really be interested in as it has 2.0 8v (no replacement for displacement) and t3 turbo 175bhp and 199lb/ft torque as standard ,plus its injection :).
now im not sure on the tuning potential of these but i should imagine its not hard to get them to 250bhp and more torque

any input would be great on this :agree:

21T engine is longitudinal i think, GTT is transverse.

It's been looked into before, and the general consensous was that it would be hard work to make it fit, and be of no real benefit anyway given you could fit a 172/182 engine instead (and therefore have more power straight away), and then turbo that if needs be.

ah right :( id of liked to have seen this engine in my car tbh seems like it would be a cracking combination

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Originally Posted by Alastair

21T engine is longitudinal i think, GTT is transverse.

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You would have to cut bulkhead back or extend front end, not worth it for little power gain imo. Also the engine is pretty tall.

f4r FTW :agree:

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Originally Posted by Mart

It's been looked into before, and the general consensous was that it would be hard work to make it fit, and be of no real benefit anyway given you could fit a 172/182 engine instead (and therefore have more power straight away), and then turbo that if needs be.

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good point but i know the turbo conversion on the 172/182 is not cheap lol plus id imagine a 21 turbo engine as standard vs 172/182 standard in an r5 the 21 would hammer it due to the massive advantage of torque

cheers for the answers guys am sorry if this has been bought up before iv just been watching vids of the 21 turbo beating imprezas etc they seem to go really well so it just got me thinking about this :)

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good point but i know the turbo conversion on the 172/182 is not cheap lol plus id imagine a 21 turbo engine as standard vs 172/182 standard in an r5 the 21 would hammer it due to the massive advantage of torque

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Disagree. The 21 engine is more heavier, old technology, and has nowhere near as good a v.e as the 172/182 lumps.

If you want a 2L turbo'd lump to 'drop in', have a look at Matt C's (Ringworm Tuning) 225t conversion.

i was also looking into converting mine to injection but the whole kit is around £1300 would you guys like a link to have a look?

that looks like a rather mad conversion i bet that goes like mad as well with that much torque coming so low down only having run 14psi as well

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Originally Posted by Mart

The 21 engine is more heavier.

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Grammar at its finest. :agree:

here is the injection conversion kit for the c1j engine has anyone gone over to this as id like to get away from the carb tuning/probs. also is the claim about there being an instant performance gain by using injection right ?

heres what it says below

Airflow surface increased with 64% and as a result a power and torque increase of 20% garanteed at same boost level!
Due to lower turbo RPM, cooler boost air and as a result more power and drivability



http://www.mbcarperformance.com/cata...h=680_777_1327

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Grammar at its finest. :agree:

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:laugh: You know what I meant.

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Originally Posted by Mart

:laugh: You know what I meant.

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Not that you're in any position to question my grammar, Sparkster...

"joined back in 2000.
became Birmingham area rep,
was senior area rep for a few years,
then became one of the Wizards.
now selling alot of my stuff, so i can buy a house"

:dearme: :D

Is the f4r lighter than the 21t lump? its alloy head/block. Agreed on the 'old technology', the std injection management isnt exaclty tuneable.

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Is the f4r lighter than the 21t lump? its alloy head/block. Agreed on the 'old technology', the std injection management isnt exaclty tuneable.

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would that be where aftermarket management comes in though? i had an emerald k3 on my old mg zr and that was a cracking ecu

If you want EFI on your C1J have a look at the kits Michael produces https://www.rtoc.org/boards/member.php?u=349

hi mate thanks for that :) do you know what he charges and what ecu id be best using with it ?

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Originally Posted by Chris Hebden

If you want EFI on your C1J have a look at the kits Michael produces https://www.rtoc.org/boards/member.php?u=349

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:agree: With one of Scoff's Adaptronic ecu's running the show.

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Originally Posted by Mart

:agree: With one of Scoff's Adaptronic ecu's running the show.

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FTW as they say :D

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:agree: With one of Scoff's Adaptronic ecu's running the show.

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link to the adaptronic please :)

hey iv seen a vid with scoffs 550bhp gt turbo on youtube christ thats wild

Google Adaptronic, or drop Chris (Scoff) a PM on here.

http://www.efi-parts.co.uk/index.php?productID=117

i take it thats one then id need the universal loom to go with it. is it true then about there being a big advantage and an instant performance gain as the area is greater by 64% and an average of 20% increase at the same boost levels ?

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Not that you're in any position to question my grammar, Sparkster...

"joined back in 2000.
became Birmingham area rep,
was senior area rep for a few years,
then became one of the Wizards.
now selling alot of my stuff, so i can buy a house"

:dearme: :D

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Off to get a real life Mart, you know with a woman and everything.

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Off to get a real life Mart, you know with a woman and everything.

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Off to get a real life Mart, you know with a woman and everything.

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Yes thanks. You?

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Exactly, do explain :confused: :dearme:

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It's just Kenobi trying to be cool. He's too cool for Grammar... innit. :laugh:

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It's just Kenobi trying to be cool. He's too cool for Grammar... innit. :laugh:

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it wasnt a question.

I was just saying Sparkies off to do important things. Not hang about on a forum like us plebs,

http://www.mtb-motorsport.nl/tekoop_...oop_counter=15

it is in dutch , but fully build race spec

and it's for sale

10500 euro's if only i won the lottery..:eek:

that white 5 has been around for a llong time.
its a very nice car.

that 5 is very nice