are 5gtt brakes the same as mk1 clio rsi brakes ? Im sure somebody said they were but im not 100% thanks in advance :)
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are 5gtt brakes the same as mk1 clio rsi brakes ? Im sure somebody said they were but im not 100% thanks in advance :)
If they are the same as clio 16v's then yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beardo
I thought clio 16v have 259mm discs? which are bigger than the renault 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
As far as I know they are the same, as I had a knackered caliper on my clio and Jon @ Torsion used a caliper off my donor 5 when they did the conversion :) Maybe the carrier is different or something like that :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigfoot
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The 16v front calipers are different from the gt's standard ones the rear are the same.I have them as an upgrade on my 5 and the standard disk size is 262.Unless the standards in the UK vary from the rest of Europe.
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standard clio 16v fronts are 259mm
r5 gtt and clio rsi are the same fronts (238mm)
the calipers are the same i believe, the carriers are different on 16v
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Originally Posted by Bass
:agree: agree....calipers same on the 5 and 16v...
So I was right :eek::laugh:
ok chaps thank you for your help :D
ok so what is the best brake set up (discs n pads) for fast road and track days ?
New std discs, ferodo ds2500 or mintex 1144 pads imo, or get a set of the motorfactor pads carcrash has, they stop really well!
why not go for grooved or drilled or even both ?
they also only cost £14.90 and they are schweeeeeet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brigsy
car crash do you know what make your pads are ?
lucas/trw. they come in a red box. i drove to the track didnt bed them in and ragged them hard all day 150 plus laps and there is still lots of meat on them and i got no fade, but mallory is a fairly mild track so they may not be so good on cadwell for instance where heavyer braking is required. but for the price who cares :).
most people will reccomend ds2500 im hoping to try some so i can compare budget to extreme.
ok ds2500 pads but what about discs ?
Standard.....
why not drilled or other , just wanted to know reason you say standard ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brigsy
Imho, drilled discs weaken the overall structure & rigidity of the disc. I personally wouldn't ever run those type of discs, not even on a relatively lightweight car like the gtt.
Brembo Max discs & Pagid pads worked v well on my old raider when it went on track. I'd imagine the 2500 pads would've been more of an improvement over that.
mart i have heard many people mention that drilled discs are weak on many cars and forums. have you ever seen or heard of a set crack or even break?
In fairness, no I haven't, but common logic (well, to me anyway) dictates that if you drill holes a-plenty to a given object, it's overall mass strength is then gonna be weakened somewhat.
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Originally Posted by Mart
i agree in theory they should be weaker and i worried about mine cracking too. i have heard lots of times of risk of drilled discs cracking but im still yet to see some too but tbh i havnt put any research into it. a google search is required.
brigsy , car crash and mart thank you very much for the info , going on spending spree 2moro ! One final question where is going to be the best place to get the pads from without having my wallet raped ?
If you're going for the 2500's, Tweeks or Rally Design would be a good bet.
thank you sir you are a legend :D
I have only ever had a rear set crack which were drilled. that was only due to severe over heating of it as the caliper was constantly stuck on.
I've seen some front drilled discs crack quite bad on a Vauxhall Vectra 180 jobbies i think it was! The bloke couldnt understand why the car failed the MOT as he had put brand new pads on them!
never needed anything better than standard renault discs.....more than up to the job...
pads...I have used mintex 1144 fast road pads for ages now......brilliant in my opinion......
have some DS2500 to try once thses are done....
if your cooking standard discs with a quality pad then somethings wrong IMO....like your pressing the wrong pedal.
Cup race cars used them for 5 or 6 practice,qualifying and races.....can't fault that
i ordered from them last night :D
I've heard people say that Brembo standard sized discs and standard pads work very well.
I think I'll be going back to standard sized discs now that I have the braided lines on the front. There seems now too much braking at the front even with the rear compensator jammed full on and the overall stopping power is a bit less. Maybe the rear callipers are a bit sticking though.
The bigger front discs certainly give a lighter pedal, which is good. If we could fit larger rear discs that would be better for the brake balance.
I wonder is there is a different level of abrasiveness between different manufacturers discs.
Isnt that part of the idea of having drilled/grooved discs Ian? Better friction between pad and disc?
you wonder right, they do have different levels of abrasiveness, alot more to it than just a peice of metal, as far as i know brembo max disks have a higher carbon content than stock disks, i dnt know how it works but it makes them bite betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Ian S
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Originally Posted by Chris Hebden
not quite......drilled holes and grooves are to remove surface heat and in extreme cases gases due to the high heat build up...
the friction comes from keeping the pad within its heat tolerance and the quality of the material used in the disc
Ah makes sense, how do you decide on the material that would be best to use?
depends on how much your on track, weight of the car, BUDGET etc....
do you want brakes that put you through the screen when dry but are too scary to use in the wet..???? and take 3 mile to warm up
a good track/road compromise
just track etc.....
need to know what your expecting from the brakes before we can make judgements...
also....standard brakes and track pads are a fantastic set up and hugely cheap compared to stuff only a little better....
just a thought
It was a general question to be honest, i am happy with my 4pots! For instance the car was to be used on track would you be looking for more of any type of material in the pads or discs? What materials should you be looking for in brakes, i know carbon is a big thing, but is their anything else?
here you go, these guys have forgotten more than I will ever know...LOL
http://www.ferodo.co.uk/ferodo_home/motorsports.html