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Or are you all waiting for pay day ?
http://www.rtoc.org/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=22&zenid=e99522061077d27848066d19ce2862df
gatecrashing perhaps ? :D
If yer names not on the list .....nobody but nobody gets in without a wristband :banned:
First post!
finally signed up, will be paying for the day shortly :)
clee, got a few questions (about a possible 3/4 other cars interested), will send you a PM now if thats ok :D
i want to go , looking into options as how to bring the car back
home if it breaks down etc as we speak .
i got rac cover but not sure they will give me a lift after seeing the car has
been on a track day :crap:
btw "95 units available" :eek::eek: there will be queues i reckon ?
Nah , we had 80 on track last year and it was noted by Mallory how empty the track was at times .
TrixNFlix
09-07-2009, 22:44
How many track places have been sold so far clee?
bye_all_c_ya
10-07-2009, 07:33
ordered mine :)
How many track places have been sold so far clee?
25 track and 13 entry bands :rolleyes::crap:
Alastair
10-07-2009, 08:28
25 track and 13 entry bands :rolleyes::crap:
Ive got mine!
TrixNFlix
10-07-2009, 08:37
25 track and 13 entry bands :rolleyes::crap:
:(:eek::cry:
I will be going for sure, just not got around to booking tickets yet
how much is it on the day to get in? And what discount do you get for ordering through rtoc?
Andrew Cooke
10-07-2009, 13:04
I want to be on track, but need to sort a car first...
Matt Cole
10-07-2009, 13:09
I know of at least 4 from Durham going. Waiting untill August to get tickets.
how much is it on the day to get in? And what discount do you get for ordering through rtoc?
It will be the same price on the day .
Track time ticket is £80 to non members and £45 to members when they use the discount code .This knocks £35 of the track time ticket only .It's cheaper to join RTOC to purchase the track time .
It can only be used once per member/shop account .
If you ordered 2 track time tickets using the code it would still only take £35 off the total not £70 ;)
Entry and camping is a flat rate to all ...£15 and £5 camping ( for 2 nights ) .All these prices are PER PERSON .They are all wristbands this year so if you're not labeled up you won't get in ....That includes camping .
Kids under 14 go free .
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booked :)
i want to go , looking into options as how to bring the car back
home if it breaks down etc as we speak .
i got rac cover but not sure they will give me a lift after seeing the car has
been on a track day :crap:
btw "95 units available" :eek::eek: there will be queues i reckon ?
have it pushed down the road and call them to there.:)
I'll be there just not got tickets yet :smokin:
Lowiepete
13-07-2009, 17:51
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I've already booked my day ticket, though I do have a question or 3.
What are the parking arrangements like? Are we all packed in like
sardines? As a partly disabled fella, I do need to fully open the
doors of my Laguna Coupe to be able to get in and out. If it's all
tightly packed, are there dedicated disabled spaces?
If the weather permits, I may spend some of the day detailing my car.
http://www.rmscaronia.talktalk.net/coupe62.jpg
Regards,
Steve
There will be loads of room Steve you could take your car apart and lay it on the ground to polish ( please note.... 'detailing ':sad2: on your own head be it ;) )
It's not like a normal event, it's ours, all ours to play with all day :devil:Even if we sold all the tickets we'd still rattle around in the paddock .
HAUUGE PIC TO EMPHASISE POINT .....this is just a tenth of the space available
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Events/National%20Day/National%20Day%202008/rtocmallory%20011.jpg
dickiegtt
13-07-2009, 19:22
I will be purchasing my ND ticket but i am not sure wether to get a tracktime ticket as i am not sure wether i will be able to have the time off work for a full day on the track that saturday. If i turned up after work around 1ish with a trackpass would i still be aloud on the track and does the ND go on into sunday?
Yes, you can turn up at any time of the day and still get on track, just sign on and sign your life away before you go on :)
Our track day is the Saturday only, but we can hang around all day Sunday if we want to watch whichever event is on :agree:
The new Bill J
13-07-2009, 19:27
Yes, you can turn up at any time of the day and still get on track, just sign on and sign your life away before you go on :)
What about the drivers briefing?
dickiegtt
13-07-2009, 19:43
Yes, you can turn up at any time of the day and still get on track, just sign on and sign your life away before you go on :)
Our track day is the Saturday only, but we can hang around all day Sunday if we want to watch whichever event is on :agree:
Cool, thanks:agree::)
Well people just turned up at all times of the day last year. I think it's sensible to go to the briefing but it's not a legal requirement.
The new Bill J
13-07-2009, 19:55
Well people just turned up at all times of the day last year. I think it's sensible to go to the briefing but it's not a legal requirement.
At most, if not all the track days that i've been on, you get a wrist band to let the officials know that you attended the drivers briefing. Without one, you don't go on track! :cry:
Matt Cole
13-07-2009, 23:19
Yeah got to agree with Bill. I would prefer only going on track with all those that have been briefed. At the end of the day i don't want my car damaged if someone ain't briefed on the nasty bits of the track.
I wasn't disagreeing, if you read what I said I actually said it's sensible to do the briefing. But you always get the know-it-alls that think they don't need a briefing as they've done track days before and still manage to get themselves on track.
Cant wait!
My missus is gunna be scared ****less at first but I reckon she is going to love driving the Clio around :D
Lowiepete
14-07-2009, 01:29
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( please note.... 'detailing ':sad2: on your own head be it ;)
Can't make head nor tail of that remark... Not very welcoming by the sounds of it.
Perhaps I should change my mind about going...
Regards,
Steve
TNT ANDY
14-07-2009, 06:35
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Can't make head nor tail of that remark... Not very welcoming by the sounds of it.
Perhaps I should change my mind about going...
Regards,
Steve
Track day event?
Detailing?
Horny dog?
Ms lovely legs comp?
Make of it what you will - Please note smilies - to be taken in jest and good humour:)
TNT ANDY
14-07-2009, 06:44
BTW - I'm going, just need to organise a few locals and then get the tickets ordered:cooter:
Penfold aka The Dealer
14-07-2009, 07:46
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Can't make head nor tail of that remark... Not very welcoming by the sounds of it.
Perhaps I should change my mind about going...
Regards,
Steve
Steve its just a joke, seriously what ever you do with your car is your own choice.
There are those who have track car, those who have show winning cars, those with extremem body kits, those whom have huge I.C.E install's... every body accepts everybody wish's...Seriously you should come and put some faces to people's names. You wont regret it believe me.
Big Steve - Raider
14-07-2009, 07:53
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Can't make head nor tail of that remark... Not very welcoming by the sounds of it.
Perhaps I should change my mind about going...
Regards,
Steve
Don't worry Steve, That was just a dig at the guys on Cliosport as all they bang on about is detailing!! :rolleyes: :laugh:
Clee's right when he says their's ACRES of room at Mallory for you to park your car & not worry about any dents chips or chavs!!!
Come along & introduce yourself matey, there'll be plenty of us there. ;)
Duncan Grier
14-07-2009, 08:10
Need to get this booked up :D don't worry will be there in the beast ;)
DG
Lowiepete
14-07-2009, 17:20
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Don't worry Steve, That was just a dig at the guys on Cliosport...
Phew... I feel isolated enough with living in a street where some people
think I'm sad simply for driving a Renault, let alone trying to keep it pristine!
At some points in the day I'm probably going to go completely green with
envy, just witnessing others having a "go wild with your R5GTT" opportunity,
borne from the frustrations of my limited mobility. So, to do a bit of detailing
in totally different surroundings, I saw as my chance for a temporary escape.
I miss the days when I was driving around in an R11 Turbo and R5GTT, the
11 especially. In the interim I had a Megane Alize and Laguna II 2L IDE, so
returning to this turbo engined car is pretty special. As it seems to be quite
a rare motor, a future classic(?), is it any wonder that I've transferred my
passions to wielding MF cloths as best I can?
When I had my first dog, anyone saying "walkies" to her got given her lead
with very precise instructions on where to take her. Anyone on the day who
says "you've missed a bit" will be given a pad and window cleaner to tackle
the inside of the only window that I can't reach and frustrates me the most.
Don't say that you haven't been warned...! :)
Regards,
Steve
bye_all_c_ya
14-07-2009, 18:05
do helmets need the gold stamp ?
forgot to ask before :)
dickiegtt
14-07-2009, 19:15
do helmets need the gold stamp ?
forgot to ask before :)
Good question, i only have my old motocross helmet it is as new and had the gold stamp on that was legal for motox racing would that do if i do get me a trackpass?
I am happy to do briefing, i only have knowledge of racing mx not tracking cars, i have a good basic knowledge of the flags etc. n i'm not guna go out on my first time there and try and break any laptimes or oat! Just get passed by a lot of fast 5's!:D
No one is going to inspect your helmet :wasntme:
But it should be in good nick and preferably Type A , it's your noggin .....
Regards briefing ,it should be a requirement but it is usually no more than the flags ,overtaking etiquette and don't drive like a **** .....
There will be no track ,line or driving tips info given apart from the very basic brake before turning .
Those that drive like ****s will always drive like ****s anyway regardless of any instruction but I doubt we'll have any of them on the day ;)
bye_all_c_ya
14-07-2009, 20:04
im also motorcross but did gokart racing but flags change so any info is good ow and sand trap if needed
jamie rigby
14-07-2009, 22:00
First post!
Ive just signed up and booked the track time :)
I know f0xy off here, he suggested I sign up and come along to the day :)
Nice one Jamie, make sure you say ello to everyone :)
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too bad he dosent own a renault :laugh:
Will have to see how his Fiesta on ITBs keeps up with things!
just paid up for entry and track time :cooter:
fingers crossed i will be there :agree:
sihorton
15-07-2009, 12:36
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I'm now booked, so one more on track
Si
jamie rigby
15-07-2009, 18:11
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Nice one Jamie, make sure you say ello to everyone :)
have started a thread in the 'say hello' section :)
yeh will be a good day, cant wait, my first track day :D
Andrew Cooke
15-07-2009, 22:08
sod it, ticket bought, best get the car built :D
sod it, ticket bought, best get the car built :D
Twingo or Rainbow Warrior ?
Big Steve - Raider
15-07-2009, 22:41
I'm in! :D
Andrew Cooke
15-07-2009, 22:44
Twingo or Rainbow Warrior ?
Twingo
Matt Cole
15-07-2009, 23:11
Twingo
Why dont you build them both and choose on the day?:D
I'll probably buy my entry ticket on the day Cleeski, if that's ok, as I won't be going on track if I bring ol' whitey.
Then again, I missed out on track attack action last year as well. Hmmm...
I'll probably buy my entry ticket on the day Cleeski, if that's ok, as I won't be going on track if I bring ol' whitey.
Then again, I missed out on track attack action last year as well. Hmmm...
Dude, you can have a drive in the Clio :D
Big Steve - Raider
15-07-2009, 23:54
I'll probably buy my entry ticket on the day Cleeski, if that's ok, as I won't be going on track if I bring ol' whitey.
Then again, I missed out on track attack action last year as well. Hmmm...
:dearme: Come on you GEEZER!! Bring the old Heave Ho down & get on Track! Or even take ol' whitey round!! :niceone:
Cheers Sukhi mate :)
If I can get some drives and/or pax laps, that'll be the best of both worlds :agree:
It's an rtoc day after all, hence no place really for the Evo, and would be nice to turn up to our ND in a Renault motor.
Hoping to blag a pax lap or 3 in that 26.r :cool:
:dearme: Come on you GEEZER!! Bring the old Heave Ho down & get on Track! Or even take ol' whitey round!! :niceone:
As above mate.
Ol' whitey will never see track action.
Yea, no worries dude, you're more than welcome, I'll just keep the missus distracted as its her car :laugh:
I'm sure you will squire :hump: ;)
Big Steve - Raider
16-07-2009, 00:05
As above mate.
Ol' whitey will never see track action.
Ahem ..... :innocent:
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/DSCF3061.jpg
:mart:
Edit.
Whilst it's in my possession.
;)
I'm sure you will squire :hump: ;)
:laugh: :agree:
Big Steve - Raider
16-07-2009, 00:08
Edit.
Whilst it's in my possession.
;)
:niceone:
Mart, I've only been back 5 mins and I'm having to kick your arse again. Stop the excuses and get on track.;)
jamie rigby
16-07-2009, 19:50
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wristband came today :D
Penfold aka The Dealer
16-07-2009, 22:01
MArt, you can have a go in my cup car.... also need you to tweek the carb... so make sure you bring some drill bits. :)
Cheers mate :agree:
Yep, I'll have my LM1, stethoscope, soldering iron, and drill bits with me :)
Cheers Sukhi mate :)
If I can get some drives and/or pax laps, that'll be the best of both worlds :agree:
It's an rtoc day after all, hence no place really for the Evo, and would be nice to turn up to our ND in a Renault motor.
Hoping to blag a pax lap or 3 in that 26.r :cool:
come and see me Mart....I will personally make sure that happens..
then , i might take you out in the old girl, LOL......you'll see just just how far Renault have come...LMFAO
:D Cheers matey, would defo love some pax laps in the R as I'm tempted to get one...well, in a few years time when/if the price of them come right down.
Don't suppose they'd let me loose behind the wheel of it for a few (dozen :D ) laps per chance? :)
jesus in the seat of a 5
17-07-2009, 14:58
Twingo
Nah, come on andrew bring the warrior...gawd i love that car.....:crush:, you know it makes sense....:D
dickiegtt
17-07-2009, 18:25
I don't know the rainbow warrior, but would love to see that twingo!:D
TNT ANDY
17-07-2009, 18:27
Just ordered tickets for entry, track and camping - ooooh sailor.:cooter:
Andrew Cooke
17-07-2009, 18:54
I don't know the rainbow warrior, but would love to see that twingo!:D
Rainbow Warrior:
http://www.youtube.com/user/andyfandango
dickiegtt
17-07-2009, 19:54
Well said! That was ace mate! I must go and watch one of these events! yeh...bring both cars!:wasntme:
Cheers mate :agree:
Yep, I'll have my LM1, stethoscope, soldering iron, and drill bits with me :)
LM1 eh? Is it transferable between cars? :D
Skint until payday :( Me and the missis will be there in the cab and campus turbo :D
We still have loads of tickets to shift .So far we have 38 cars on track and only 21 others attending :scratch::sad2:
I know you'll be there Nick ,I'm just hoping everyone else is waiting for pay day :agree:
Penfold aka The Dealer
22-07-2009, 19:45
Clee, can i make payment direct to RTOC bank... Paypal are messing me around...
I can't see why not ......or just send a Gregory ...plenty of time :agree:
Just let me know if you BACS as I don't have access to the bank account so will have to ask Ian to keep an eye out .
I will be buying my entry and track tickets very soon :)
jesus in the seat of a 5
22-07-2009, 21:03
I will be buying my entry and track tickets very soon :)
Dont let him clee, hes trouble that young un`....:wasntme:
Penfold aka The Dealer
22-07-2009, 21:32
I can't see why not ......or just send a Gregory ...plenty of time :agree:
Just let me know if you BACS as I don't have access to the bank account so will have to ask Ian to keep an eye out .
Dont do cheque's, but yeh i will sort out bacs..
Rob@Backyardracing
22-07-2009, 22:07
Ill be coming down for the day and prob camp over. Cant miss out on the Twingo action.... chop chop Andy..:) stop thinking about head conversions for the Rainbow :scared:..
Mart great idea...Think ill bring LM1, drill bits etc aswell.. :D
It can be.
Cool. Could we set it up on my car? :D
The carb had supposedly been set up for 15-20 psi the previous owner told me, and I want to see just how much boost I can safely run :)
I'm not waiting for a pay day, i'm waiting till I get a fresh mot on the car i'm putting on track. I've been battling rusty nuts and seized ball joints this evening.
First post!
I just joined RTOC just to go on this lol my mate with a 5 Turbo asked if I fancied it and couldn't resist for the price! Afraid I don't own a Renault tho anymore, used to have a mk1 Clio 172 and a Clio RT, but after the 172 blew 2 gearboxs after track abuse I got rid.
Now have a 306 GTi-6 with a few tweaks, stripped, RR at 150bhp ATW before tweaks, prob around 180-190bhp at the fly now, good fun, only done 3 ring trips and Bedford track in this so look forward to Mallory!
See you all there.
Matt Cole
23-07-2009, 13:12
Whats the max cars allowed on the track?
We still have loads of tickets to shift .So far we have 38 cars on track
How many of them are Renault (turbo) motors though?
To me, this is all beginning to look like a cheapy trackday for non-rtoc esque motors/free-loaders who are just joining up for the day.
Still, as long as the club makes its money back... :rolleyes:
There's a simple solution to that ...Members with Renault Turbos get off their arses and buy a ticket ......I think we've got about 30 Ren Turbo .
I've only put the info out to Renault clubs but I can't stop people joining and buying a ticket and anyone can register a shop account .
Looks like im going to have some busy times ahead of me then. Need to sort out this smoking problem :( hope it dont rain this weekend else I might as well just bring the convertible again to go around the track if I have the money.
A little rain never hurt anyone Dale, get ou this weekend as I want you take me around Mallory in your 5
Still need to work out where this smoke is coming from. I know the stem seals have lifted, however after a heavy run it starts smoking out loads, then it stops for a while, it seems to have been getting worse :( somebody said about the oil return is blocking up so oil is not going through the turbo well and then pushing out the exhaust. But would this cause smoke to come out the air filter though? Or is it something worse on my car which is causing the smoke everywhere. Any ideas else its going to be a see what I find as I start taking things off.
How many of them are Renault (turbo) motors though?
To me, this is all beginning to look like a cheapy trackday for non-rtoc esque motors/free-loaders who are just joining up for the day.
Still, as long as the club makes its money back... :rolleyes:
Been a member for 5 years have attended every National day since then have two renault 5gtt which are currently in the process of being restored so will bring the Clio is there a problem with this or are RTOC making enough money on this event so non 5gtt are allowed on track:crap:
When are you going up Bod?
*sigh*
You own a Renault, and you've been a member of this club for a long while.
I mentioned non-rtoc esque motors, and free-loaders simply joining the club just to have a cheapy trackday.
Neither of which are applicable to you.
In my humble opinion, which will no doubt be shot down in flames, the ND should've been about Renault/Renault turbo motors/rtoc members, and not about the club having to sell vast number of tickets to joe public just to break even/make a profit/whatever.
The club ISN'T a business, therefore it isn't imperative that we make money on the day. Annual memberships and event entry/other fees should be enough to keep the coffers topped up each year.
If it isn't, we should've been looking at alternative ways of increasing the nest-egg ages ago.
Yes in a perfect world that would be just dandy but how long do you think the club could suffer the loss of Pod and Mallory ? ...2k loss from Pod wasn't it ?
We can shut out non-members but surely the best way to do that is for the Members to buy up the tickets .....
They've been on sale for two months now and we've shifted 38 for track .
No the club is not a business but it can't continue to lose on every event .Event entry will cover the cost but only if people buy the feckin tickets .....
Pisses me right off when people start moaning about things that are well within their power to change .
If you don't want non Renault Turbos on track at National Day then I expect to put in a full day tomorrow processing the orders :cooter:
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Don't see the issue of anyone going myself, end of the day the RTOC members hear about it first on this forum and get there fair shot, the fact other cars are there doesn't detract from RTOC members meeting each other, enjoying the track and day. Just because I don't own a Renault Turbo and I'm attending in another French car doesn't mean I'm not interested in Renault Turbos, far from it, I've been a member of Renault Sports Club for 9 years and been in every Renault turbo you can imagine, I've a massive interest in them but choose to drive something else! I've been in Clios running 350bhp VAG Turbo lumps, driven 5 Turbos and all sorts.
Anyho, looking forward to the trackday, should be good fun. I'll be in convoy with my mate who owns a 5 Turbo :P
Pisses me right off when people start moaning about things that are well within their power to change
Who's moaning? The comments were my humble opinion, that's all, and it was said in general, not pin-pointing.
It's exactly the same as saying I wouldn't want to go to an RSOC ND and see Saxo's, Pug's, BMW's, even Renault's, etc, making up a third or whatever of the attendance figures.
Again, my humble opinion is that we shouldn't worry too much about how much money we lose at an event, if that is the case. To my knowledge I don't think we've ever made a profit at any previous ND's/Pod days, but here we are in 2009 still plodding along ok.
Obviously as long as the coffers are still looking rosy (which they are at the moment anyway, correct me if I'm wrong) and are enough to fund the next given event, whatever that should be, then what's the problem? If that scenario should ever change, then of course the club needs to look at other avenues of keeping the money pot topped up.
Don't start that 'humble opinion ' stuff ..I've seen Talladaga Nights :D
My comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular .
The fact remains that the tickets are on sale and are available to members at a discounted rate .If the paid members chose not to buy them then
they can hardly complain if a few non Renault owning members turn up .
I'm sure a few very long serving members will turn up in non Renaults .......................
booked my ticket.
cars in pieces, if it aint ready im going round on the skateboard!!! :cool:
As long as you tape a diamond to the front that's OK :cool:
yrrab nostaw
23-07-2009, 21:05
as long as the driving is up to scratch and theres no looneys :disagree: :disagree: on track then some different cars coming makes the event a little more interesting. gives it a bit of variety.:agree: although obviously the more rt,s the better.
i dont plan to go all out in my car, so i do hope people dont expect us all to go flat out.
i dont plan to go all out in my car, so i do hope people dont expect us all to go flat out.
No no, you'll all be attending a track briefing beforehand so just drive within your limits and be safe :agree:
No no, you'll all be attending a track briefing beforehand so just drive within your limits and be safe :agree:
i get a briefing everytime i pick up the keys for the 172 :laugh:
i get a briefing everytime i pick up the keys for the 172 :laugh:
that's cos you're a liability!!! :p
I'm sure a few very long serving members will turn up in non Renaults .......................[/quote]
:D Priceless
If the paid members chose not to buy them then
they can hardly complain if a few non Renault owning members turn up .
I'm sure a few very long serving members will turn up in non Renaults .......................
Probably those same long serving members who have attended previous ND's/supported the club over the years & continue to do so, and not just sponging our day for a cheap track attack, of which we'll probably hear nor see said people again.
If that's the way-forward/future vision of the club, then I'm obviously in the minority thinking the way I do.
Either way, I'll be there in my gtt... :)
Andrew Cooke
23-07-2009, 23:22
Probably those same long serving members who have attended previous ND's/supported the club over the years & continue to do so, and not just sponging our day for a cheap track attack, of which we'll probably hear nor see said people again.
If that's the way-forward/future vision of the club, then I'm obviously in the minority thinking the way I do.
Either way, I'll be there in my gtt... :)
why not bring the evo and go on track :laugh: I'll bring the Renault, you bring the turbo, and between us we'll be legit :coffee:
Because, as I posted on a previous thread, it's an rtoc day, hence no place for an Evo. As I say, it seems I'm in the minority with that way of thinking though...
Barr's Irn-Bru
24-07-2009, 00:17
Forth National Day in a Row, all with track usage. We make the journey every year from Glasgow :coffee:
Touch wood , past events have had great weather except rockingham which was a bit wet :rolleyes::burnrubber:
G
PeteMac27
24-07-2009, 08:43
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Probably those same long serving members who have attended previous ND's/supported the club over the years & continue to do so, and not just sponging our day for a cheap track attack, of which we'll probably hear nor see said people again.
If that's the way-forward/future vision of the club, then I'm obviously in the minority thinking the way I do.
Either way, I'll be there in my gtt... :)
Well I think this is a bit harsh.... I personally do like R5 GTT's nearly bought one once... but insurance it a bit too much on them and I dont really have space for one (because I'd want it mint and spend alot of time and money on it... living at home my dad wont let me keep it here)
Now im not a renault turbo owner, but I came last year to National Day with a mate who is an owner, and about a month or two ago went to meet up in cumbria with BriC, Robbo, Dave-SBS and another member(cant remember his name), I will openly admit I am coming on track because its cheap, but like others have mentioned, if your members with renault 5's dont buy the tickets it seems pointless to turn down people who are willing to pay for it just to be stubbon and prevent others that may not be able to afford/ have space for a renault turbo to come to the events. and the end of the day money talks....so what if the club has money to burn which is almost what you suggest...
I do apprehiate what you are saying about some people just coming and the never coming back again. but to label all non-turbo owners that are coming in that field is a bit harsh to me.... I will more than likely be back next year!
and in theory I do have a Renault Turbo (1.5DCi)
Have I said anywhere that the club has money to burn? I said that it isn't a business, therefore it's not imperative to make a profit on the day. I also said the coffers were/are looking rosy, and appear to do so each year. Again, for the third time of posting this; if the coffers ever did start to look a bit low, then we should look at alternative ways of keeping the money pot topped up. That hasn't ever been the case though, and isn't a current scenario either, given this year's Pod days, etc.
And all of this has got nothing whatsoever to do with being stubborn. It's because I'm passionate about the club & marque, I have been for many years now, hence why this old fart simply believes that the day should be about the cars & dedicated members, and not making money/off-loading track tickets onto joe public.
If I'm in the minority there, fine, so be it, but don't start shooting me down just because I maybe have an old skool mindset/you don't agree.
Have I said anywhere that the club has money to burn? I said that it isn't a business, therefore it's not imperative to make a profit on the day. I also said the coffers were/are looking rosy, and appear to do so each year. Again, for the third time of posting this; if the coffers ever did start to look a bit low, then we should look at alternative ways of keeping the money pot topped up. That hasn't ever been the case though, and isn't a current scenario either, given this year's Pod days, etc.
And all of this has got nothing whatsoever to do with being stubborn. It's because I'm passionate about the club & marque, I have been for many years now, hence why this old fart simply believes that the day should be about the cars & dedicated members, and not making money/off-loading track tickets onto joe public.
If I'm in the minority there, fine, so be it, but don't start shooting me down just because I maybe have an old skool mindset/you don't agree.
Couldn't have put it better myself :agree:
If I'm in the minority there, fine, so be it, but don't start shooting me down just because I maybe have an old skool mindset/you don't agree.
But you're not allowed an opinion...
:wasntme:
PeteMac27
24-07-2009, 09:26
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fair enough then.... did you not comment on this before the tickets went on sale? as its a bit late now to do anything about it... sorry I bought a ticket now!
Yes, I did, and I've always said the same when it comes to ND's.
I'm not trying to alienate you or anything like that; it's just simply my look out on it all :)
I'm just suprised that hardly any tickets have sold .We won't have that many freeloaders anyway .Would you turn up at a VW,Ford ,whatever track event just because you could get the tickets cheap ?
PeteMac27
24-07-2009, 09:58
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Well before I joined I was told that it was open to all and it may even be apprechiated as even though you do have enough finances as a club to cover losses more people would minimise this... meaning you guys would have more money to benefit from in the future... I didnt realise people felt it should only be Renault Turbos. (which I can understand as this is what the whole day is about)
and I know you don't need to make money... but its always nice too. :)
I'm sure if you made enough and offered a free event to Renault turbo owners (say who've been members for a year or more or summit) you'd have a rammed track full of just Renault Turbos. but I dunno that probably wouldnt be do-able.
I'm just suprised that hardly any tickets have sold .We won't have that many freeloaders anyway .Would you turn up at a VW,Ford ,whatever track event just because you could get the tickets cheap ?
Entry wise to have a look around or whatever, yes, and that isn't a problem with regards to that happening at our ND either.
For the sole intent of going on track though, no.
But that's just me.
PeteMac27
24-07-2009, 10:04
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I'm just suprised that hardly any tickets have sold .We won't have that many freeloaders anyway .Would you turn up at a VW,Ford ,whatever track event just because you could get the tickets cheap ?
I understand what you say... but like i mentioned a good mate of mine has many Renault 5's and i've had about 10-15 clios myself (i know not turbos) and at 20 I think that shows I like renault's just so happens that I cannot afford/ have space for a turbo at the moment ...
I wouldn't just turn up at another event if I didnt know anyone or had never been before, or hadnt been told that it was available for other people...
anyway I think I've discussed this enough now... if anything its an issue you need to bring up with the committee and attempt to get it changed if thats what you wish.
PeteMac27
24-07-2009, 10:07
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Entry wise to have a look around or whatever, yes, and that isn't a problem with regards to that happening at our ND either.
For the sole intent of going on track though, no.
But that's just me.
on a final note... my sole intention is not just to use the track... i like renaults and as said before have been last year and not been on track. I coming to look at some of the cars that are there as well.
i've had about 10-15 clios myself (i know not turbos) and at 20 I think that shows I like renault's just so happens that I cannot afford/ have space for a turbo at the moment ...
No it just shows that you either cant have a clio last on your or you keep selling them on for no apparent reason. Not what I would call somebody liking them just a opportunist more than likely, like some people on here to make a quick buck or saving money for track days, some people who have never owned a renault in their life.
Granted come and join in on the fun of ND for us if you want but joining up just before RTOC ND and buying tickets its just for the purpose of getting them cheaper for a full days track.
To be fair ,on any other forum postings I have made it clear that if you join the club you will get the ticket cheaper so you can't blame people for taking me up on the offer ;)
I thought that would be a good way to bring more into the fold and poss up the membership longer term .I'm sure a few will not renew but equally I think many will and may even buy a Renault Turbo in the process .....Who knows they may even buy something that is not a 5 GTT :cooter:
PeteMac27
24-07-2009, 10:17
No it just shows that you either cant have a clio last on your or you keep selling them on for no apparent reason. Not what I would call somebody liking them just a opportunist more than likely, like some people on here to make a quick buck or saving money for track days, some people who have never owned a renault in their life.
Granted come and join in on the fun of ND for us if you want but joining up just before RTOC ND and buying tickets its just for the purpose of getting them cheaper for a full days track.
lets be honest you don't know anything about me... I repair accident damaged Clios, and break them for spares at the same time as running them for myself, my dad and my sister so that they have cheaper cars... so remarks like that are rather uncalled for.
and joining up... was actually recommened by a committee member ... i think earlier in this thread...
Quote Clee: Track time ticket is £80 to non members and £45 to members when they use the discount code .This knocks £35 of the track time ticket only .It's cheaper to join RTOC to purchase the track time.
Its not my fault you made that the case!
PeteMac27
24-07-2009, 10:18
To be fair ,on any other forum postings I have made it clear that if you join the club you will get the ticket cheaper so you can't blame people for taking me up on the offer ;)
I thought that would be a good way to bring more into the fold and poss up the membership longer term .I'm sure a few will not renew but equally I think many will and may even buy a Renault Turbo in the process .....Who knows they may even buy something that is not a 5 GTT :cooter:
you beat me to it... thanks for that!
Out of all the RTOC events over the year, the National Day is THE one day where we will see the biggest gathering of turbo'd Renault cars, whether it be a Turbo 2, Gordini or the GT Turbo etc
It's a good way for newer members to mingle and older members to catch up.
It is the best way to combine a community of passionate car enthusiasts.
I think there should be a qualifying period or at least a different way of gaining access to our annual club event for 'new' members if people are just joining to take advantage of the clubs generosity. For example, a member must be active for a minimum of 6 months prior to a National Day to achieve the discount we offer...
Just my thoughts as I've been about for a while now too :mart: ;)
:agree:
Or you're not allowed in unless you are wearing official club clothing :coffee:
Matt Cole
24-07-2009, 13:21
Both my brothers now have R5's as a result of coming to national days/rolling road events and seeing the mighty Renaults slay against what they previously owned (mazda mx5 and a kit car!) They are now fully paid up members and buy national day tickets every year. I think as long as the club member who recommends for someone to join the club, that they emphesise on 'get rid of that piece of dog **** and get a renault turbo'! then its a good way to recruit as long as it doesnt turn into a 'flax tower' event.
On another note, have we heard anything from the megane sport club on maybe attending/joining the club? They seem to love their track days and it would be good to have the next gen of RT's in presence!
as long as it doesnt turn into a 'flax tower' event
That's my concern :crap:
On another note, have we heard anything from the megane sport club on maybe attending/joining the club? They seem to love their track days and it would be good to have the next gen of RT's in presence!
Totally agree :agree:
Rob@Backyardracing
24-07-2009, 20:47
Well just ordered my entry ticket/ camping, thats if i end up staying over and no one mines me crashing there group :)... BYR loner
dave-sbs
24-07-2009, 22:11
would be good to see the megane sport club make an appearance, as long as they are not free-loading or using it as a cheap track day :D
The Megane sport club are well informed about the day. As are all of the other Renault owners clubs.
Or you're not allowed in unless you are wearing official club clothing :coffee:
RTOC mankini's selling well I hear.......LOL
RTOC mankini's selling well I hear.......LOL
Mankini's for sale in the clubshop?:cool: That was kept pretty quiet.
As long as i can get cover at work I plan To bring J150 to this.
Rite-so ...In response to the concerns expressed by some members I have just listed these in the Shop .
If these are not all sold by the 5th August I will reinstate any left to outright purchase .
I don't think we can do anymore.
It is now up to the Real Members to buy the feckin things .
http://www.rtoc.org/shop/index.php?m...products_id=95 (http://www.rtoc.org/boards/../shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=95)
so can non members now not purchase tracktime? not sure what that means^
One person I told about the day still wants to come, dosent own a renault though. He was going to sign up this evening then pay for the track time etc.....can he still do that no problems?
Yes non members can still purchase Track time .
They either join RTOC or pay the full £80 .
These reserve tickets are for Members who, for whatever reason ,cannot commit to buy a ticket outright at present .
I've had enough now ...I'm off to have some beers and try to work out why a GTA will still not kick it's rad fans in ....I think there is a hidden 3rd relay somewhere :scratch:
AdamAnderton
25-07-2009, 19:15
First post!
Just signed up and booked, was told about the day by f0xy!
Should be a good day!
How many of them are Renault (turbo) motors though?
To me, this is all beginning to look like a cheapy trackday for non-rtoc esque motors/free-loaders who are just joining up for the day.
Still, as long as the club makes its money back... :rolleyes:
Yeah but it would be nice to give us RTOCER's a chance to join in. Some of us might have a project in the making or might not get paid until nearer the time. I really hope to be there, if i am i'll, be paying on the gate, and certainly hope that tickets haven't gone to any willy nilly person instead of a genuine bonafide Renault enthusiast :)
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and in theory I do have a Renault Turbo (1.5DCi)
In the loosest of terms qouting renault turbo!!
Penfold aka The Dealer
25-07-2009, 21:08
In the loosest of terms qouting renault turbo!!
oi i had a 1.5 dci clio, best Renault Turbo i had owned for a long time. :)
Yes non members can still purchase Track time .
They either join RTOC or pay the full £80 .
These reserve tickets are for Members who, for whatever reason ,cannot commit to buy a ticket outright at present .
I've had enough now ...I'm off to have some beers and try to work out why a GTA will still not kick it's rad fans in ....I think there is a hidden 3rd relay somewhere :scratch:
off topic :scared:
did you get my pm matey ?
ile be layed up in hospital... but i can see it now more cars non renault turbo than renault turbo... just a vibe iam getting.
id be really hacked of it turned up on the day wanting to drive my TURBO'D renault on track to find vauxhalls and citrons in my place:coffee:
It's really starting to irritate me now .
We have 4 non Renaults attending so far.... as far as I know .
If you don't want a load of Fords or Fiats turning up then buy a feckin ticket .
You can now even just reserve a place on track if you still can't make up your mind if you want to play or not .
Jesus Christ ! How difficult can it be .
off topic :scared:
did you get my pm matey ?
Yes ,sorry .
Rite-so ...In response to the concerns expressed by some members I have just listed these in the Shop .
If these are not all sold by the 5th August I will reinstate any left to outright purchase .
I don't think we can do anymore.
It is now up to the Real Members to buy the feckin things .
http://www.rtoc.org/shop/index.php?m...products_id=95 (http://www.rtoc.org/boards/../shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=95)
The way tickets are selling i think you won,t have to worry about putting 15 aside;)
ok clee ile buy a ****ing ticket and you best have a video link to my hospital bed. ile be like holly from red dwarf! aright dudes
do we have to go to RED alert....I'll have to change the bulb.........:p
lol purp alert purp alert....
Yeah but it would be nice to give us RTOCER's a chance to join in.
Buying a ticket is pretty much the best way to be guaranteed a chance to join in.
Some of us might have a project in the making or might not get paid until nearer the time. I really hope to be there, if i am i'll, be paying on the gate, and certainly hope that tickets haven't gone to any willy nilly person instead of a genuine bonafide Renault enthusiast :)
Well if you are a true Renualt enthusiast, and passionate about the mark/club, then why would you mind losing £45 (or even £15 now we are offering the chance to resevere track time) if you cannot make it for one reson or another?
Im stunned really :confused:
What more can we do? We arrange the events that YOU the members ask for. Heavily subsidise tickets. Put them up for sale well in advance to give everyone plenty of time to plan for it and save up, and still people aren't happy. Still people wont buy tickets.
No other car club subsidises events like we do, no others can afford too. God knows what the spend their membership takings on, cos' if we didn't subsidise events we'd be minted. But we are not minted, we are in a comfortable position thats lets us use takings to make events and parts for sale in the shop cheaper for members.
Id like to see what Ticketmaster, or Seetickets or one of those other companies said if you emailed saying 'I really want to go to see Oasis in concert, but i think my dog might be ill on that day so will you hold a ticket for me, ill pay on the door'.
I dont know what's gunna happen before the 15th August. My house could burn down, i might break my arm/leg/face on a rock, my car could get nicked/blow up/fall apart, a plauge of locusts might ravage the earth and we are plunged into a thousand days of darkness. But ive still bought a fecking ticket, 'cos i really want to go to National Day and thats the best way of making sure i do.
Im stunned really :confused:
What more can we do? We arrange the events that YOU the members ask for. Heavily subsidise tickets. Put them up for sale well in advance to give everyone plenty of time to plan for it and save up, and still people aren't happy. Still people wont buy tickets.
No other car club subsidises events like we do, no others can afford too. God knows what the spend their membership takings on, cos' if we didn't subsidise events we'd be minted. But we are not minted, we are in a comfortable position thats lets us use takings to make events and parts for sale in the shop cheaper for members.
Id like to see what Ticketmaster, or Seetickets or one of those other companies said if you emailed saying 'I really want to go to see Oasis in concert, but i think my dog might be ill on that day so will you hold a ticket for me, ill pay on the door'.
I dont know what's gunna happen before the 15th August. My house could burn down, i might break my arm/leg/face on a rock, my car could get nicked/blow up/fall apart, a plauge of locusts might ravage the earth and we are plunged into a thousand days of darkness. But ive still bought a fecking ticket, 'cos i really want to go to National Day and thats the best way of making sure i do.
EDITED due to fear of reciving strikes blah blah
Too late JRP :laugh:
CM type dudes have just as much right to moan about the lack of support as someone else has to moan about non Renault attendance etc ......
Too late JRP :laugh:
CM type dudes have just as much right to moan about the lack of support as someone else has to moan about non Renault attendance etc ......
:laugh::laugh: ive been struck hahahahahahahahah :upyours:
PAH you can moan but you cant hide! :wasntme:
No no, you'll all be attending a track briefing beforehand so just drive within your limits and be safe :agree:
sideways, on the roof while on fire! is all in my limits!!
not done it at the same time but have done so in singular events, while i believed i was driving safe.
Ill go steady!
rtoctimgt5
26-07-2009, 21:10
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ill be going just not bought ticket yet:)
rtoctimgt5
26-07-2009, 21:14
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i will be goin just not bought ticket is it on saturday:)
Matt Cole
26-07-2009, 23:22
I think we all need to calm down and re evaluate the sales/spaces after pay day!!
rtoctimgt5
27-07-2009, 22:42
crap cant get time off bar stool....................err so wanted to go :disagree:
wreelybro
28-07-2009, 09:26
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I've just booked my ticket :D:D - sorry I don't go on the forum much but will be there with the R5 Coupe Cup again..
Was excellent last year and looking fwd to another great day lets hope the sun is shining again!
TNT ANDY
28-07-2009, 13:25
Too late JRP :laugh:
CM type dudes have just as much right to moan about the lack of support as someone else has to moan about non Renault attendance etc ......
Dude - I am supporting the club as much as I can, I have bought track time for my Scooby entry and camping. I hope I will not be being shunned for not bringing my 5 along. I never expected to have my car off the road for 2+ years but when I started working on it to get rid of the rust, well you know the score. I hope this is not the case that non renault attendance will be frowned upon. My heart is always with the 5 and I can't wait to get her back on the road.
Hope this is not taken in the wrong vain.
TNT
Big Steve - Raider
28-07-2009, 16:03
I have to agree with what StuTHC is saying, if you want time on the track then buy a ticket.
If you don't want to buy a ticket and want the option to buy one on the day then you run the risk of them all going?
Simple isn't it??
People can only vote with their wallets at the end of the day.... :coffee:
I've already bought an entry ticket. If I can get my car sorted for the track can I pay the difference or do I have to pay the full whack?
You can .
PM me the serial code on your std entry ticket wristband, I will log it as upgradable to track .You will have to pay the balance in cash on the day .
I haven't shifted a single 'reserve' deal ticket so far so that seems like it was a waste of my time as well .
Moan, gripe, whinge ...why doesn't the world revolve around me etc :cooter::laugh:
I've already bought an entry ticket. If I can get my car sorted for the track can I pay the difference or do I have to pay the full whack?
Good question ! Is this possible or is it taking the biscuit ?:p
err ................I think I just answered that .God it's hard work some times :sad2:
The only reason why you couldn't upgrade is if we were to sell out of track tickets before the event .
I will be deleting the reserve ticket for track listing on the 5th .Any tickets left will go back to outright purchase and once they're gone they're gone .
I will not be holding on to any track tickets for upgrade after the 5th .If there are any left on the day then you can upgrade ,if not then tough .
err ................I think I just answered that .God it's hard work some times :sad2:
The only reason why you couldn't upgrade is if we were to sell out of track tickets before the event .
Ha i was playing with the kids while writing my message and apparently took longer than 15 mins !!:wasntme:
I have to agree with what StuTHC is saying, if you want time on the track then buy a ticket.
If you don't want to buy a ticket and want the option to buy one on the day then you run the risk of them all going?
Simple isn't it??
People can only vote with their wallets at the end of the day.... :coffee:
You have to (the club) think of the scenarios presented to the people in the club. Not everyone has the luxury of buying a ticket in advance, there might be a minority of people either working on projects or working on their cars doing repairs who hope to have them ready by National Day. It's a bit narrow minded to expect everyone to purchase a ticket in advance, i'd go as far to say nice attitude to say we run the risk of them all going, you'd be the first to pipe up if your best friend in a Renault arrived the night before or on the morning hoping to buy a track ticket for them only to be sold out.
As mentioned there's a few held back for us only until the 5th.Why not hold a few back?? It's not the end of the world, i thought this club wasn't primarily a business.
Feel free for anyone to shoot me down, everyone's entitled to a opinion, there's no harm in a convo or debate that might get a bit 'involved'. Seems like the people with something to say or an opinion have dissappeared, nothing wrong with posting an opinion, when it turns personal or a slanging match then it's a different matter.
Big Steve - Raider
28-07-2009, 20:09
You have to (the club) think of the scenarios presented to the people in the club. Not everyone has the luxury of buying a ticket in advance, there might be a minority of people either working on projects or working on their cars doing repairs who hope to have them ready by National Day. It's a bit narrow minded to expect everyone to purchase a ticket in advance, i'd go as far to say nice attitude to say we run the risk of them all going, you'd be the first to pipe up if your best friend in a Renault arrived the night before or on the morning hoping to buy a track ticket for them only to be sold out.
As mentioned there's a few held back for us only until the 5th.Why not hold a few back?? It's not the end of the world, i thought this club wasn't primarily a business.
Feel free for anyone to shoot me down, everyone's entitled to a opinion, there's no harm in a convo or debate that might get a bit 'involved'. Seems like the people with something to say or an opinion have dissappeared, nothing wrong with posting an opinion, when it turns personal or a slanging match then it's a different matter.
Now where's my gun.... :wasntme:
I agree with what you're saying Riccaay about not knowing till the last minute if your car/project will be ready on-time and also the disappointment that you'd feel if you got everything sorted out in-time for the day & then arrive at Mallory to buy a ticket & find they've all gone.
However you know better than I do about the fabled "RTOC Rule of Three" and how this would play out with the club would reserving a few tickets for people who then don't show on the day??
Clee has put an option for people to reserve tickets & as of 18:04 today still no-one had bought these...? :confused:
I know the club is not a business but it is also subsidising tickets through the money it does make & if it just loses money after every event then the club is just going to have a long slow death over many years of losing money & we'll all be out on our ears :(
I know all the people can't be pleased all the time.
The new Bill J
28-07-2009, 20:18
Roll on Nat' Day weekend. I've got the time off work sorted at last, so I'll be there.....
.....in a Volvo :scared: :D
Roll on Nat' Day weekend. I've got the time off work sorted at last, so I'll be there.....
.....in a Volvo :scared: :D
.................Towing the cup i hope ?? :D:D;)
The new Bill J
28-07-2009, 20:32
.................Towing the cup i hope ?? :D:D;)
A little C30, with no tow bar. I think not :laugh:
Now where's my gun.... :wasntme:
I agree with what you're saying Riccaay about not knowing till the last minute if your car/project will be ready on-time and also the disappointment that you'd feel if you got everything sorted out in-time for the day & then arrive at Mallory to buy a ticket & find they've all gone.
However you know better than I do about the fabled "RTOC Rule of Three" and how this would play out with the club would reserving a few tickets for people who then don't show on the day??
Clee has put an option for people to reserve tickets & as of 18:04 today still no-one had bought these...? :confused:
I know the club is not a business but it is also subsidising tickets through the money it does make & if it just loses money after every event then the club is just going to have a long slow death over many years of losing money & we'll all be out on our ears :(
I know all the people can't be pleased all the time.
I don't think we do too bad on every National Day, we don't set the world on fire in attendance levels every year for the last few years. Has the club broken even on every National Day in the last 5 years?
People join the club, this i assume generates the funds to pay for ND, could you then say it's down to the committee and/or us to generate new ideas every year to entice peple to our brilliant club?? Wasn't this debate around a while back about quality and not quantity? Charging more to join, enthusiasts willing to pay the extra or keeping it cheap to get the numbers in??
The true enthusiasts wil be here year in year out regardless, it shouldn't be a slow death, it'll plateau at some point
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
got my tickets,can't wait.missed the last 1.what's the latest you can get in to mallory for camping friday night,as i don't know wot time i can leave work.
You can .
PM me the serial code on your std entry ticket wristband, I will log it as upgradable to track .You will have to pay the balance in cash on the day .
Thanks mate, I'll let you know :cool:
TrixNFlix
29-07-2009, 18:58
Just Paid up for track time.:) Got to sort out strut top, bearing and cracked manifold, :sad2:Please dont shun me guys because im in a saxo, i do consider myself a rtoc'er :D
I don't think we do too bad on every National Day, we don't set the world on fire in attendance levels every year for the last few years. Has the club broken even on every National Day in the last 5 years?
People join the club, this i assume generates the funds to pay for ND, could you then say it's down to the committee and/or us to generate new ideas every year to entice peple to our brilliant club?? Wasn't this debate around a while back about quality and not quantity? Charging more to join, enthusiasts willing to pay the extra or keeping it cheap to get the numbers in??
The true enthusiasts wil be here year in year out regardless, it shouldn't be a slow death, it'll plateau at some point
Ricky fella, i hear what your saying, and to a point agree with it, the true enthusiasts will keep supporting this club. But there will come a point when the numbers of those enthusiasts is so low that we won't be able subsidise events like we do.
Attracting people to the club is really out of our hands, we try and appear in decent numbers at some events through the year, hand out flyers etc, the odd magazine advert. But other than that it's word of mouth that attracts most members. You either have a Renault turbo, and want to join or you dont. Or you join R5GTT owners club or retrorenault or meganesport or cliosport..............
Our 2 biggest assests are our website, and how heavily we subsides events, mainly our 2 big ones Pod and ND. These events are RTOCs showcase really, the events that those members who only go to 1 or 2 meets a year will attend. It is also an oppertunity to show anyone from another club, or that is with their mate how good RTOC events are and how well supported we are/can be. These people may come along, see whats what and join up as members. If we can get them to join up before hand then even better.
We are only advertising to non members in appropriate places, IE other renault clubs (and pistonheads i think but ive not seen it yet), people who have an interest in the marque/cars and may join afterwards. We need to do it to raise our profile and keep the bank balance at a point where we can do this. We have 900ish members, if those 900 stay as true enthusiasts (?), and renew each year for £10 that's 9 grand, about what Mallory costs to hire. Pod is near enough 4 grand, website costs, running costs.....
To answer your question, No, we haven't broke even on the last 5 ND's, nowhere near, or the Pod day 2008 and 2009, £1800 and £1600 lost on those respectively. We lost £1200 on FCS 2008, ND 2006 was a lot more than that, so yeah, we've had our fingers burnt and learnt a few lessons, keeping it low key, enthusiats only is fine, but it doesn't pay the bills. Unless we ask you to pay £120 for a day at pod or ND tracktime.
We need to attract new people and keep a good turnover of members so we can keep the numbers up around 1000, it benefits everyone.
Why worry anyway, as Steve says it's RTOC! there will be tickets left on the day.
dickiegtt
30-07-2009, 21:01
Got my ticket today!:D Cheers Clee:agree: My first ND, should be there for the afternoon at least and really lookin forward to it. Hopefully see as many renault turbos as poss but either way i'm sure it'll be an amazing day i just hope the weathers decent:cool: Unfortunately i will be attending in a non turbo:crap: (let down!:laugh:) but i'll still be coming along in a renaultsport. gtt's undergoing resto work and a rebuild and then she'll be at every ND in future and the way i look at it is there is so many members doing resto work nowadays the future should (in theory) look bright for renault turbos attending ND:D kana wait:)
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
im trying to get the friday off work, but if i can't wots the latest you can get in to mallory for camping friday night
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
im trying to get the friday off work, but if i can't wots the latest you can get in to mallory for camping friday night
The gate will be open to at least 10pm :)
yrrab nostaw
31-07-2009, 22:20
just park outside then jump the fence;). people are up till well into the early hours. and also back up again at 6:scared:.
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
thanks stuTHC FOR for that .not ment to finish work till 10.even if i finish early still be pushing it .i fill a sick day cuming on lol .not missing this one
I know the club is not a business but it is also subsidising tickets through the money it does make & if it just loses money after every event then the club is just going to have a long slow death over many years of losing money & we'll all be out on our ears
Then, as I keep repeatedly saying, that's when the club needs to start looking at alternative ways of keeping the money pot topped up.
If we're relying on the income of ND/Pod entry tickets, and that's not doing the trick, or so it would appear, then start thinking of other ideas now before the coffers do run empty/ND's aren't affordable.
If that isn't the case though, then Ricky's quality not quantity comment is bang on what I've also been harping on about these past few pages of this thread.
Penfold aka The Dealer
01-08-2009, 08:13
Then, as I keep repeatedly saying, that's when the club needs to start looking at alternative ways of keeping the money pot topped up.
If we're relying on the income of ND/Pod entry tickets, and that's not doing the trick, or so it would appear, then start thinking of other ideas now before the coffers do run empty/ND's aren't affordable.
If that isn't the case though, then Ricky's quality not quantity comment is bang on what I've also been harping on about these past few pages of this thread .
What post's?? I cant see any... :D
just an observation so feel free to try kick my ass at nat day
but the clubs main owners car is a R5 GT Turbo
which last time i looked is long gone off the production line and becoming rarer.
More than likely the examples that are left have at one point been owned by an existing or past member.
The hardcore diamond geezers and long term owenrs are of a particular average age. (soft choice of words there for 30s upward old farts)
However the new generation of people buying these cars, of which are of a younger late teen/early twenties age group are shot to pieces for asking advice on dump valves and speaking leet/text talk.
Its hard to swallow for someone buying a car of this calibre and not buying into the batsh*t they read in fast car and maxpower.
instead of educating these people out of this frame of mind..it takes one or two responses form them before we loose it and crucify them publically.
i know its annoying, but i was also of the ooo i have a GT Turbo i must see what gt tuning have to offer ex generation. but with gentle pursuasion i listened to the masses of intelectual gt brains on here and got out of the habbit of chrome and dvs = bhp mentality.
that was only a few years ago when the forums where a little less hostile to DV, charisma kitted R5 loving bling hoes!
I go for the R5 as it had a big relutation and is attractive to the younger generation, its cheapish, insurances isnt a massive killer, you can peform plenty of big power upgrades, massives tuner market and its got a bad ass reputation.
R11s are a choice for old school reno owners if you ask me.
turbo2s, alpines etc are expensive classic cars which ae few and far between.
the Megane turbo (now dont hurt me for this) is but a fast rep mobile currently. Every street these days owns a suburu imprezas of some form. Many years ago i guess when this site/club was formed, there was a different fast car geography.
what im trying to say is many megane turbo owners will just be regular car owners feeling flush with credit before the recession jumping on the hot hatch boom weve had in the past few years.
so until these drop below the £5k mark and become accessible to a GT turbo mentality generation your going to be stuck trying to get these cars into club. unless the way we operate changes to entice the more mature age bracket that owns these type of cars currently.
I wounder how many members there of renault sport forums, yet how many do acutally turn up for any event!!!!
I do personall think the majority of megane turbo owners, brought the car for the love of the diamond, its just to jump on the hot hatch band wagon. when the become more affordable in a few years they will start flushing through this club if it tailors for it.
how you do that is not up to me.
But at some point you need to look at your cars target audience and how the club operates etc.
plus this past two years has been an absolute killer due to financial insecurities all round.
not everyone knows if there going to have a job next week, let alone know if theyre bloody ancient piece of tin car will be working next week. the downside of having a 15yr old+ car. Also a big downside to a club thats owners mostly own a 15yr+ old car.
Just scan reading most events there is always peeps wanting to go but have to "work" on their car.
the remark well if it was maintained properly, just wont cut it in a response unfortunatly. I maintain mine all the time, its gone past a hooby its more of an obsession trying to keep the bloody car on the road.
you fix something, then something else goes.
these cars are old, prone to failure die to age (look how old the engines/electrics are now), so the majority of them will be in pieces most of the time.
POD days will be no good really for new breed Renault turbos, and i doubt someone wants to take an £8k car round mallory with a bunch of tarmac terrorists thrashing past them either.
Problem i see is theres a big gap between renaults R5 GT (majority of members) and the new big renault turbo the megane. (far to expensive to be enticed to our type of events). and there will be a big difference in what the majority of owners of both type of cars want out of their cars.
You cant see Megane owners chasing 1/4 times.
but you could see megane and R5 owners probably wanting to take part in steady appreciation track laps maybe! (ooerr)
only the flush hardcore diamond geezers would want to take a new megane on a track with us.
Other cars like clios...well they head for cliosport etc. And that has a big member bank due to the clio also being common and cheap to buy.
but you will also note the average age of the member bank, mentality of that age generation and the mentality often seen here.
im not seen either is good or bad.
just observations only.
to get more peeps into this club you would need to accept the generation differences, or alter the clubs dirrection to bring in the newer renault turbos on mass therefore slowing down the activities for the R5 generation terrorists.
that took me 30mins to type...and its all bullsh@t yey!!!
wow, and i thought i could type a long post...............:coffee: :)
TNT ANDY
01-08-2009, 10:05
just an observation so feel free to try kick my ass at nat day
but the clubs main owners car is a R5 GT Turbo
which last time i looked is long gone off the production line and becoming rarer.
More than likely the examples that are left have at one point been owned by an existing or past member.
The hardcore diamond geezers and long term owenrs are of a particular average age. (soft choice of words there for 30s upward old farts)
However the new generation of people buying these cars, of which are of a younger late teen/early twenties age group are shot to pieces for asking advice on dump valves and speaking leet/text talk.
Its hard to swallow for someone buying a car of this calibre and not buying into the batsh*t they read in fast car and maxpower.
instead of educating these people out of this frame of mind..it takes one or two responses form them before we loose it and crucify them publically.
i know its annoying, but i was also of the ooo i have a GT Turbo i must see what gt tuning have to offer ex generation. but with gentle pursuasion i listened to the masses of intelectual gt brains on here and got out of the habbit of chrome and dvs = bhp mentality.
that was only a few years ago when the forums where a little less hostile to DV, charisma kitted R5 loving bling hoes!
I go for the R5 as it had a big relutation and is attractive to the younger generation, its cheapish, insurances isnt a massive killer, you can peform plenty of big power upgrades, massives tuner market and its got a bad ass reputation.
R11s are a choice for old school reno owners if you ask me.
turbo2s, alpines etc are expensive classic cars which ae few and far between.
the Megane turbo (now dont hurt me for this) is but a fast rep mobile currently. Every street these days owns a suburu imprezas of some form. Many years ago i guess when this site/club was formed, there was a different fast car geography.
what im trying to say is many megane turbo owners will just be regular car owners feeling flush with credit before the recession jumping on the hot hatch boom weve had in the past few years.
so until these drop below the £5k mark and become accessible to a GT turbo mentality generation your going to be stuck trying to get these cars into club. unless the way we operate changes to entice the more mature age bracket that owns these type of cars currently.
I wounder how many members there of renault sport forums, yet how many do acutally turn up for any event!!!!
I do personall think the majority of megane turbo owners, brought the car for the love of the diamond, its just to jump on the hot hatch band wagon. when the become more affordable in a few years they will start flushing through this club if it tailors for it.
how you do that is not up to me.
But at some point you need to look at your cars target audience and how the club operates etc.
plus this past two years has been an absolute killer due to financial insecurities all round.
not everyone knows if there going to have a job next week, let alone know if theyre bloody ancient piece of tin car will be working next week. the downside of having a 15yr old+ car. Also a big downside to a club thats owners mostly own a 15yr+ old car.
Just scan reading most events there is always peeps wanting to go but have to "work" on their car.
the remark well if it was maintained properly, just wont cut it in a response unfortunatly. I maintain mine all the time, its gone past a hooby its more of an obsession trying to keep the bloody car on the road.
you fix something, then something else goes.
these cars are old, prone to failure die to age (look how old the engines/electrics are now), so the majority of them will be in pieces most of the time.
POD days will be no good really for new breed Renault turbos, and i doubt someone wants to take an £8k car round mallory with a bunch of tarmac terrorists thrashing past them either.
Problem i see is theres a big gap between renaults R5 GT (majority of members) and the new big renault turbo the megane. (far to expensive to be enticed to our type of events). and there will be a big difference in what the majority of owners of both type of cars want out of their cars.
You cant see Megane owners chasing 1/4 times.
but you could see megane and R5 owners probably wanting to take part in steady appreciation track laps maybe! (ooerr)
only the flush hardcore diamond geezers would want to take a new megane on a track with us.
Other cars like clios...well they head for cliosport etc. And that has a big member bank due to the clio also being common and cheap to buy.
but you will also note the average age of the member bank, mentality of that age generation and the mentality often seen here.
im not seen either is good or bad.
just observations only.
to get more peeps into this club you would need to accept the generation differences, or alter the clubs dirrection to bring in the newer renault turbos on mass therefore slowing down the activities for the R5 generation terrorists.
that took me 30mins to type...and its all bullsh@t yey!!!
:agree::agree::agree:
Here here Maka- some of the things you say here have been banded about for many years in respect to sarcastic remarks being made about hoow to stop fan belts squeeking / DV issues etc. there are genuinely some really helpfull people on here so try not to get too wound up with the not so helpfull members and concentrate on the helpfull ones. This topic has been discussed at AGM's on several occassion with no direct outcome. So find the helpfull lot and take their advice. Also use the search function;)
As for the transgretion to Megans Etc, this is inevatable how many Renault 4's, Maxi's T2's, Gordini's etc do you see running around today??? The 5 will be about for some time yet.
Old farts? I'm one of them you young wipper snapper - (I guess) Some of those older types have made a stand on there own due to the silly antics of others on this site and circulate in there own circles and pop in here every now and again, which again is fine for those to do that and I'm sure within there ranks they are a very helpfull bunch.
I think this is a great club if you know who to listen to etc and some of the articals / files are very helpfull - Lets leave politics out of it and simply enjoy the cars and have a laught for the few times we meet up every year (well for me anyways)
Find TNT Andy,TNT Hammond, Tricky Nicky and Raider at the national day and have a beer.
Peace - that took me 30 mins to wright and now me tea has gone cold - B*stid
TNT ANDY
01-08-2009, 10:07
wow, and i thought i could type a long post...............:coffee: :)
Go one Stu - You know you can do it - Just copy mine then add a few lines to it, mine looks hugh.:eek:
Err you can buy the mintiest mint GTA for under £5k these days .......
I think part of the reason we are not getting a new generation / different types of Renault Turbo's (bar a few..), is because the club still has the image of being the Renault 5 GT Turbo owners club
Then, as I keep repeatedly saying, that's when the club needs to start looking at alternative ways of keeping the money pot topped up.
If we're relying on the income of ND/Pod entry tickets, and that's not doing the trick, or so it would appear, then start thinking of other ideas now before the coffers do run empty/ND's aren't affordable.
If that isn't the case though, then Ricky's quality not quantity comment is bang on what I've also been harping on about these past few pages of this thread.
I think your missing the point.
We ARE keeping the pot topped up.
We ARE in a good position and will be in a position to keep subsidising events like we do......
IF we keep attracting new members. Which we are, and learn a few lessons, which we have.
We have 400-600 core members, that renew every year. By doing what we are doing with the Pod day and ND (advertising to different clubs, offering cheaper tickets if you join the club etc) we are attracting new members. That keeps a healthy turnover and the pot topped up. Some of those will stay around, some, if not most, will not. But the cycle continues.
The fact that a tiny minority of members will have their nose put out of joint because a few new faces will be around at ND and other events is quite frankly hard fecking lines. We will always welcome new people as we always have.
There is no quality over quantity argument, we will never have large numbers of members because there is not a huge 'fan base', we just need to keep attracting the interested like we do/ are trying to do.
Maka, i agree about the age of these cars/age of members and age gap situation. I certainly want to broaden our range of events for next year, to have club representation at more 'classic' events, La Vie en Bleu etc, as well as the usual stuff that members ask for at the AGM.
I still think new members should be given a qualifying period...3 months before ANY discounts are offered.
Sounds ****ish but I think it'd stop whats happening in this instance anyway.
And Stu...EAT ME :cooter:
Err you can buy the mintiest mint GTA for under £5k these days .......
yes you can but
there far and few between
and im not being funny but the saxo crew wouldnt buy one.
an R5 gt they might do
but then we are back to the new text/leet younger generation coming in to the club etc etc.
:agree::agree::agree:
Here here Maka- some of the things you say here have been banded about for many years in respect to sarcastic remarks being made about hoow to stop fan belts squeeking / DV issues etc. there are genuinely some really helpfull people on here so try not to get too wound up with the not so helpfull members and concentrate on the helpfull ones. This topic has been discussed at AGM's on several occassion with no direct outcome. So find the helpfull lot and take their advice. Also use the search function;)
As for the transgretion to Megans Etc, this is inevatable how many Renault 4's, Maxi's T2's, Gordini's etc do you see running around today??? The 5 will be about for some time yet.
Old farts? I'm one of them you young wipper snapper - (I guess) Some of those older types have made a stand on there own due to the silly antics of others on this site and circulate in there own circles and pop in here every now and again, which again is fine for those to do that and I'm sure within there ranks they are a very helpfull bunch.
I think this is a great club if you know who to listen to etc and some of the articals / files are very helpfull - Lets leave politics out of it and simply enjoy the cars and have a laught for the few times we meet up every year (well for me anyways)
Find TNT Andy,TNT Hammond, Tricky Nicky and Raider at the national day and have a beer.
Peace - that took me 30 mins to wright and now me tea has gone cold - B*stid
ner im an old fart i was just making NEUTRAL observations about club direction comments in previous posts on this thread etc.
you need to identify the problem before the solution
but is the solution in benefit of its current members.
thats what my post was about.
if its been banded about at agms a number of times but nothing definitive done about it, then maybe its time the issue was addressed properly and not just left till all hell breaks loose.
im not wound up at all, like i said just a neutral post about some of the comments made on thread is all.
just wanted to make a contribution of some sort.
TNT ANDY
01-08-2009, 12:30
ner im an old fart i was just making NEUTRAL observations about club direction comments in previous posts on this thread etc.
you need to identify the problem before the solution
but is the solution in benefit of its current members.
thats what my post was about.
if its been banded about at agms a number of times but nothing definitive done about it, then maybe its time the issue was addressed properly and not just left till all hell breaks loose.
im not wound up at all, like i said just a neutral post about some of the comments made on thread is all.
just wanted to make a contribution of some sort.
All coolio budski, the term b*stid was in reference to me tea going cold, so don't take it any other way. I have agreed with all your comments. All hell won't break loose, it will just be another nail in the coffin which is the RTOC. It seems a shame that some people can't just get on with it and enjoy the club in which it was meant to be, which is outlined in the mission statement on the home page. I don't think you're wound up at all I think you're points are valid and sound as indicated, and if you want to contribute have a word with the comitee they may be able to help you there also.:agree::agree::agree:
I think your missing the point.
We ARE keeping the pot topped up.
We ARE in a good position and will be in a position to keep subsidising events like we do......
With the greatest of respect mate, I think you've missed/misread the comments that I've posted previously in this thread.
I've already acknowledged that the club coffers are seemingly ok, otherwise we wouldn't be holding Pod days etc, let alone a yearly ND. If you read back, I said IF the situation should arise that the money pot is looking low, then we should look into alternative ideas.
Not sure where the shpiel about newcomers being at ND was being aimed towards, but if it was in my direction, you're way off the mark, as none of that has anything to do with what I was originally getting at in my previous posts. I welcome all & sundry to our ND's; even those that don't own an rtoc/Renault turbo/RenaultSport motor, if it's to look around on the day, chat to the owners, etc etc.
My problem is with the non-rtoc/non-Renault(turbo)/non-RenaultSport owners that are blatently signing up just to obtain cheapy track action in the process.
I'm now bored of posting the same sh1t over & over again. I've made it clear several times what the score is from my point of view, and I'm bolloxed if I'm gonna repeat it all again :D
Chow mein.
This is all being blown out of proportion ...we have 3 or 4 non-renault/turbo/sport type dudes turning up ...that's all .
I still have over 70 track spaces and 200 entry tickets left .
Now who needs to buy a ticket ? Trackday Organiser :p
I've already mentioned I won't ever track my current gtt, and likewise, already mentioned that I wouldn't bring the Evo/take it on track at an rtoc/Renault related event.
There is an rtoc trackday already in the pipeline for Autumn time though, that'll be posted about after ND (as to not take away any potential ND track ticket sales in the meantime).
rtoctimgt5
02-08-2009, 10:32
is this event until sunday or will most pepole be going bk home sunday morning:confused:if they are not kicking us out till late sunday then ill be there early sunday morning and can i pay on the day so can someone let me know cheers :)
it'll be all over on sunday fella. Our day is on the Saturday. Quite a few people will be heading off home on sunday morning. All we will be doing on sunday id wandering around watching whatever racing is on through bleary eyes, and having a large fry up in the cafe to chase the hangover away :wasntme:
Got my tickets and track pass, I paid before I was even the 5 would make it, thankfully it will and its gunna get a hammering :D
Rob@Backyardracing
02-08-2009, 14:49
Couple of Questions:
Is there a supermarket close by?
Is there a place or a tap close by to wash cars :ashamed:? (if needed)
Couple of Questions:
Is there a supermarket close by?
Is there a place or a tap close by to wash cars :ashamed:? (if needed)
Dunno about a supermarket but there was a shower/toilet block so there's some taps to fill buckets
rtoctimgt5
02-08-2009, 15:20
balls to it then i feel swine flu cumin on for 15th:laugh:
rtoctimgt5
02-08-2009, 15:20
:)then ill have to be off work lol
balls to it then i feel swine flu cumin on for 15th:laugh:
Nice, that'll get you a week in isolation, plenty of time to work on ya motor so it'll be ready
rtoctimgt5
02-08-2009, 18:26
can i still pay on the day:confused: or will i have to buy a ticket just in case i back out of gettin swine flu and end up going to work :laugh:
yrrab nostaw
02-08-2009, 21:50
Couple of Questions:
Is there a supermarket close by?
Is there a place or a tap close by to wash cars :ashamed:? (if needed)
from memory i think theres an asda or tesco about 15 minutes away.
Just ordered and paid for my tickets...better late than never I guess :ashamed:
My missus wont be there with me in the Clio, she's pretty ****ed off about it, so I wont be on track :cry:
GTT wont be on track as I have a slight braking issue...:crap:
Never mind, roll on Friday :D :agree:
Just ordered and paid for my tickets...better late than never I guess :ashamed:
My missus wont be there with me in the Clio, she's pretty ****ed off about it, so I wont be on track :cry:
GTT wont be on track as I have a slight braking issue...:crap:
Never mind, roll on Friday :D :agree:
What kind of braking issue, you've got just under 2 weeks, I'm sure the collective minds of the club can sort it
No GTA for this now ....I'm going to sorn it ,sort the new paint and lump .
I will still be in a Renault though ...21T ...I doubt I will track it though as it handles like a pig on acid :laugh:
Andrew Cooke
05-08-2009, 15:51
No GTA for this now ....I'm going to sorn it ,sort the new paint and lump .
I will still be in a Renault though ...21T ...I doubt I will track it though as it handles like a pig on acid :laugh:
pah, give it a go, if the Twingo isn't done I'll be tracking the Delica :sad2:
I'll just pootle around if I do ...daren't risk bending it or Me-Dawny will kill me :scared:
Wonder how it would handle 4 up :scratch:
Edit ....she just said ...You will not !!!! she meant it too :laugh:
Andrew Cooke
05-08-2009, 16:03
I'll just pootle around if I do ...daren't risk bending it or Me-Dawny will kill me :scared:
Wonder how it would handle 4 up :scratch:
4 up you'll drive rings around my bus:laugh:
Just ordered and paid for my tickets...better late than never I guess :ashamed:
My missus wont be there with me in the Clio, she's pretty ****ed off about it, so I wont be on track :cry:
GTT wont be on track as I have a slight braking issue...:crap:
Never mind, roll on Friday :D :agree:
Gawd Spoooooky, you're such a wussy :cooter:
I've got a gearbox to sort by next Saturday :rolleyes: Anyone free this weekend :D
Andrew Cooke
05-08-2009, 16:20
Gawd Spoooooky, you're such a wussy :cooter:
I've got a gearbox to sort by next Saturday :rolleyes: Anyone free this weekend :D
give him a break, he's got Mallory in 2 days:laugh:
give him a break, he's got Mallory in 2 days:laugh:
im going up to get my 'eye in' this weekend :laugh:
Gawd Spoooooky, you're such a wussy :cooter:
I've got a gearbox to sort by next Saturday :rolleyes: Anyone free this weekend :D
yea bite me :cooter:
Jesus christ just read all this.
Im really looking forward to the National Day Every year since I went to the first one that LOMO sorted out at Croft back in 2002.
Im looking forward to going to see my mates, enjoy the old and new Renaults, have some BBQ, Beer and good banta withthe boys and girls. The fact that I can go on the trrack is a big bonus.
I dont have a Renault any more, but owned about 5 over the years and love the little buggers to bits.
This year I will be in the Golf GTi as it the only car I have working at the mo, sorry its not a Renault, should having a non Renault at a Renault event stop me being there or going on track? NO FRICKING WAY!
Andrew Cooke
10-08-2009, 10:18
should having a non Renault at a Renault event stop me being there or going on track? NO FRICKING WAY!
no, but being a lanky southerner might:coffee:
no, but being a lanky southerner might:coffee:
:agree: ok you got me there :cry:
Tommy!! Can you still fit in a 5? ;)
should having a non Renault at a Renault event stop me being there or going on track? NO FRICKING WAY!
Kudos on reading all the thread, taking in comments made, and replying thus so... :rolleyes: :cartman:
No GTA for this now ....I'm going to sorn it ,sort the new paint and lump .
I will still be in a Renault though ...21T ...I doubt I will track it though as it handles like a pig on acid :laugh:
it was fun round rockingham....:):):).......
shame the GTA ain't going....enjoyed the Vee 6 soundtrack last year far toooooooo much
Kudos on reading all the thread, taking in comments made, and replying thus so... :rolleyes: :cartman:
Go eat some pies, im there to see you lot and talk ****, AKA the RTOC, who gives a fig what car ones come in if Im am there to support my mates and the club?
be different if I joined the club just for the cheap Track day, that I agree thats not on and i agree china!:cooter:
Go eat some pies, im there to see you lot and talk ****, AKA the RTOC, who gives a fig what car ones come in if Im am there to support my mates and the club?
be different if I joined the club just for the cheap Track day, that I agree thats not on and i agree china!:cooter:
:agree::agree::agree:
TNT ANDY
12-08-2009, 06:23
:agree:
Go eat some pies, im there to see you lot and talk ****, AKA the RTOC, who gives a fig what car ones come in if Im am there to support my mates and the club?
be different if I joined the club just for the cheap Track day, that I agree thats not on and i agree china!:cooter:
:agree::agree::agree:
be different if I joined the club just for the cheap Track day, that I agree thats not on and i agree china!:cooter:
Yeah, that's exactly the point I've been trying to make.
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