Clio wider track setup.

[g10far]

Does anyone run the clio wishbones for a slightly wider track on the 5, what needs to be changed? Im guessing wishbones, ARB and drive shafts. Has anyone got this setup? if so does it make a difference at all?

Any info would be great thanks

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[rs250nut]

I thought about this in the past using willy bottom arms, shafts etc I think you may have to use willy legs aswell or change the mounting position for the gtt ones. Can anyone confirm that the willy bottom arms fit the gtt subframe? I think aside from using willy bottom arms why not make some totally adjustable rose jointed items.:)

[Markey Mark (BD)]

Yeah you can fit Williams wishbones to the 5 frame (saw a 5 at Ace Cafe with them fitted) but the trouble you will get is you will have rediculous camber on the front wheels, you will have to adjust the camber somehow so you don't wear through the tyres within a few miles:D

[Andrew Cooke]

in order of wideness...

5
clio 16V
williams
172

[rs250nut]

Yeah you can fit Williams wishbones to the 5 frame (saw a 5 at Ace Cafe with them fitted) but the trouble you will get is you will have rediculous camber on the front wheels, you will have to adjust the camber somehow so you don't wear through the tyres within a few miles:D

So you need to move the strut top position with adjustable top mounts or re drill the holes for the strut mounting. Wider arches might be a good idea aswell:)

[Maka]

save some cash

chuck some spacers on it

[Andrew Cooke]

save some cash

chuck some spacers on it

you might want to read up on 'scrub radius'

[Lewis]

What steering rack do people use when running the wider track?

Is it possible to use the standard gtt rack with the track rods and track rod ends from the williams to compensate for the extra width?

How man turns lock to lock is a gtt rack and is the standard 5 n/a rack a different number of turns?

[rs250nut]

What steering rack do people use when running the wider track?

Is it possible to use the standard gtt rack with the track rods and track rod ends from the williams to compensate for the extra width?

How man turns lock to lock is a gtt rack and is the standard 5 n/a rack a different number of turns?

I thought about this and was going to use the willy rack because of the length of it although without the pump running you would never no how long it would last, I guess it would come down to trial and error. As a bonus it has less turns lock to lock.

[Andrew Cooke]

I thought about this and was going to use the willy rack because of the length of it although without the pump running you would never no how long it would last, I guess it would come down to trial and error. As a bonus it has less turns lock to lock.

I'd think the difference would be in the trackrods, and the rack itself would be the same length as the GTT one. On my car I made some extenders.

[Pete@Backyard Racing]

So wots the best/ easiest/cheapest way of widening an r5gtt. What parts are needed. what modifications would be needed? how much would it widen the car by? Is the extra grip worth the extra weight? :)

[Pervy Mechanic]

New poster! (less than 10 posts)

Borrowed off cliosport.net, posted by rich 16v :)

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This it the parts list for conversion of a 1.8 16v to a Williams wide track suspension setup.. Parts price are a alittle old but give you a good idea.

Springs:

You can use williams springs, 172 springs or clio 1.8 16v springs - I won't list OE part numbers for these as they are dependant on a coloured spot on the original items. Aftermarket wise you can fit any lowering springs designed for a williams or clio 1.8 16v or, alternatively, you can fit coilovers (see below). Stock springs are 125lb and from a 172 full fat.

Front Shock Absorbers:

77 00 838 095 - Williams front shock absorber (40.67 each)
77 00 838 095 - Williams front shock absorber (40.67 each)
You could obviously also fit aftermarket shocks or coilovers - however, these must be designed for a williams. SInce hubs are the same on valver and Williams only the shocks give the different track.

Wishbones:

60 01 025 842 - Williams wishbone - right hand side (48.30)
60 01 025 841 - Williams wishbone - left hand side (48.30)
Renault 19 16v wishbones will also fit.

Anti Roll Bar:

60 01 025 814 - Williams ARB (72.11)
Renault 19 16v ARB will also fit, as will some megane 1 ARB's (IIRC its the non-16v and non-coupe one you'll be after)

Anti Roll Bar Fixing (At Middle):

77 00 785 788 - ARB Bush (5.49)
77 00 785 788 - ARB Bush (5.49)
82 00 078 548 - ARB Clip (2.75)
82 00 078 548 - ARB Clip (2.75)
77 03 035 027 - Nut (0.73)
77 03 035 027 - Nut (0.73)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
These items are not really necessary as you will be able to use the 1.8 items but IMO it's worth doing as your original bushes could be quite worn dependant on age/milage of your car.

Anti Roll Bar Fixing (At Wishbones):

77 00 784 170 - ARB Bush (5.49)
77 00 784 170 - ARB Bush (5.49)
77 00 784 169 - ARB Clip (3.61)
77 00 784 169 - ARB Clip (3.61)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
77 03 034 017 - Nut (0.36)
77 03 034 017 - Nut (0.36)
These items are necessary to mate the ARB to the wishbones - the 1.8 setup mounts differently so you cannot use your existing components here.

Driveshafts:

77 01 367 623 - Williams driveshaft - right hand side (156.19)
77 01 367 627 - Williams driveshaft - left hand side (156.19)
Depending on if you car has ABS you may also need an ABS toothed ring for each shaft. It may be possible to salvage these from your 1.8 setup but if not then the part number is 77 00 867 344 (14.23) - you would need two of these if applicable. It is also possible to substitle the passenger side driveshaft with a R19 16v item.

Also try ringing round comapnys who make driveshafts I got mine from a motor garage for a lot less than Renault and it a new not refurb part just took a few days to get to made up. However be careful they they don't sell you the valver shafts Halfords etc order Williams ones in but they turn out to bee the same part from a Valver and won't fit.

General Notes:

If you get asked for an oval plate number (i.e when ordering driveshafts etc) you can use 'C57M' which is for a Williams. If going for alternative parts (i.e. R19 16V) then you would need the corresponding oval plate.

Also, going for all new parts will cost quite a lot so i'd try and source some of the parts secondhand.

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The track rods and rack are apparently the same on both valver and willy. People say u just wind them out more