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Scoff
09-05-2009, 20:43
I was at santa pod doing some tuning today, I met gianni santi, the itilian R5 drag racer and his team. They recognised me and said hello, I'd already spotted their car so I knew who they were, great bunch of guys :) Gianni was competing in the king of europe event. Today he posted an 11.1 ET @ 130mph from a a C1J and original carburettor. I'll say that again, he posted an 11.1 @ 130mph from a C1J and original carburettor! Ok, with a lot of nitrous too. He made a whole bunch of passes with no aparant mechanical issues at all. Respect where it's due !

Unfortunately I wasn't able to get any good passes because my new clutch slips like a good-un out on track, I had to feed power in gently to try and get some good logs for mapping. Thankfully the tuning went OK, now I have only a couple of weeks to find and fit a better clutch.

Ashy
09-05-2009, 20:52
wow, have you updated the 1/4 mile table Chris ;)

What clutch were you using, thought the VAG ones would take the abuse?

Scoff
09-05-2009, 21:00
Not yet ashy, I could do with getting in contact with him and getting the rest of the info from him.

my clutch is a 228mm sachs 4-paddle, I need to look into vw clutches and find out what the high powered VR6 turbo guys use, it should fit in my gearbox.

Penfold aka The Dealer
09-05-2009, 21:03
Blimey thats an amazing time, fair play to them! :agree:

Ashy
09-05-2009, 21:05
Not yet ashy, I could do with getting in contact with him and getting the rest of the info from him.

my clutch is a 228mm sachs 4-paddle, I need to look into vw clutches and find out what the high powered VR6 turbo guys use, it should fit in my gearbox.

What does andy use in the Corrado?

Scoff
09-05-2009, 21:08
Dunno, I'm planning on pecking his head tomorrow ! His mates VR turbo that andy built makes a stack of torque, I need to know what he used.

Ashy
09-05-2009, 21:10
Dunno, I'm planning on pecking his head tomorrow ! His mates VR turbo that andy built makes a stack of torque, I need to know what he used.

Aye, thats the engine thats going in the clio isn't it! He was telling me that he's building a new engine for Mike with even more power :eek:

Scoff
09-05-2009, 21:20
Thats the one. regardless of power even the old engine is going to be making more torque than mine so whatever Mike uses in that one currently should be OK. Having said that, my current clutch worked OK on the road and yet it gave up instantly when it had to deal with slicks and a sticky track. I think I need to invest in something brutal, I don't want to be changing it again in a few months time.

TommyB
09-05-2009, 21:33
Massive congrats to Gianni and the whole team.

Was awesome watching it.

I'm lucky,im going back tomorrow, will we see a 10???????????

How bad was the head wind today????

Scoff i loved your taking it easy pass 11.78@130 :agree:

The italians are worried about your car!!! hehe

TommyB
09-05-2009, 21:38
pictures of Gianni here

http://eurodragster.com/santapod/live/2009ptmshow/pictures/saturday/default.asp

Rob@Backyardracing
09-05-2009, 21:38
holy f**K, thats shifting in a c1j! props to that guy.

was you running the big tyres then scoff? 60ft? :)

JRP
09-05-2009, 21:46
Like this pic, shows the stress on the rear tyre.

http://eurodragster.com/santapod/live/2009ptmshow/pictures/saturday/images/pic55.asp

I think a 10 seccy soon :)

turbo ted
09-05-2009, 22:15
got scoff run and gianni santi run from pod today on youtube to watch search under tedsturbo under my youtube profile:burnrubber:

Scoff
09-05-2009, 22:34
Bah the italians need not worry, I'm no renault-5 technically speaking, they're welcome to the 5GTT record. Gianni's friend was telling me he's been tuning that car for 20yrs. not many people I'd take my hat off to, but he is one of them for sure. :)

Ashy
09-05-2009, 22:40
got scoff run and gianni santi run from pod today on youtube to watch search under tedsturbo under my youtube profile:burnrubber:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu3HreR6FUw

Ha ha that 106 thought he'd had you there Scoff!

Scoff
10-05-2009, 00:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu3HreR6FUw

Ha ha that 106 thought he'd had you there Scoff!

I take no prisoners!! you can hear the clutch throwing the towel in during 2nd gear in that video. (note I only use 3 gears for the whole track). I shifted into 3rd early and out of boost, if I wind the boost up slowly like that then the clutch seems to hold. I got some good data from the logs from a couple of runs, the last one being that run :)

sphinX
10-05-2009, 01:03
That looked like a quality day out, and flipping heck, what a crazy time in a c1j!!!! scary

Duncan Grier
10-05-2009, 08:02
Not yet ashy, I could do with getting in contact with him and getting the rest of the info from him.

my clutch is a 228mm sachs 4-paddle, I need to look into vw clutches and find out what the high powered VR6 turbo guys use, it should fit in my gearbox.

Scoff sounds like a great day, good to hear you are still pushing it ;) heard some good stuff around Spec clutches on the VAG scene http://www.specclutch.com/products

Don't think they ar cheap though :(

All the best
DG ;)

Scoff
10-05-2009, 10:40
Thankyou mr G, I'll look into those too. :)

UKG grant
10-05-2009, 10:47
scoff, im regards to Vr6 turbo's my brotherinlaw has turbo'd his, the o.e clutch is good for 400hp realy, but http://www.bahnbrenner.com/media/php/search.php i belive theres a few upgrades on there, i know someone who uses some sort of organic clutch , helix or somthing mabie?

Mart
10-05-2009, 11:12
Good stuff :agree: Lovin' the 130 traps with a carb still in situ :cool:

Top arrows as well Scoffmeister - I've got a tenner on you to hit the 10's this year, so don't let me down squire :D ;)

Scoff
10-05-2009, 11:42
Good stuff :agree: Lovin' the 130 traps with a carb still in situ :cool:

Top arrows as well Scoffmeister - I've got a tenner on you to hit the 10's this year, so don't let me down squire :D ;)

yeah, well, just need the re-mortagage to come through to buy the clutch and we're onto a winner :D:cry:

gtmatt
10-05-2009, 12:33
well done scoff glad to see you still at mate,some great results there ,will be good to catch up mate , keep at it:)

TommyB
10-05-2009, 19:37
Gianni went 11.12@131 today with a 1.97 60ft.What i forgot to metion was his time's are on DOT Hoosier Drag radials.

They only made 2 runs today as they said the engine was on its last legs.

paul b
11-05-2009, 11:42
OOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFF....

bloody good times by your car too scoff ....

:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:

Kenny_GTT
11-05-2009, 20:01
Congrats to Gianni Santi.:agree: Normally i was also at the Pod with my 5 for King of Europe. But had engine problems.:crap: Last year Gianni told me he makes 8000rpm with that C1J engine.:eek:

Scoff
11-05-2009, 20:27
bloody good times by your car too scoff ....

:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:

you think ? that was at part throttle, wait until the 29th :D

ROB C2GTT
11-05-2009, 20:31
http://www.rennenparts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=10

Found this on the net scoff, not sure if its of any use to you?

Scoff
11-05-2009, 20:39
http://www.rennenparts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=10

Found this on the net scoff, not sure if its of any use to you?

I was looking at those rob, I hadn't found a retailer though. I read some bad reviews actually, but I'm sure if I searched for pretty much any other brand I'd find bad reviews of them all. I've ordered something pretty industrial from helix today.

ROB C2GTT
11-05-2009, 20:42
I was looking at those rob, I hadn't found a retailer though. I read some bad reviews actually, but I'm sure if I searched for pretty much any other brand I'd find bad reviews of them all. I've ordered something pretty industrial from helix today.

Oh good glad ya sorted mate anyway. Atleast ya can trust helix, Good luck on the 29th:)

Alex
12-05-2009, 07:38
That's pretty impressive stuff - there's life in the old C1J donkey yet! :D

He must have a lot of power for a 130 MPH trap...:eek:

TommyB
12-05-2009, 08:59
He said he was making 300bhp @1.6 bar of boost, without nitrous

And he makes 430bhp @2 bar with nitrous.

Woooooooooooohooooooooooooooo:D

James_Surridge G1 5 GTT
14-05-2009, 00:20
Awesome

Adam L
14-05-2009, 16:43
Maybe K-tec and GDI could help him and you, Chris, extract some more power, considering they're leaders in the Renault tuning scene...

stuTHC
14-05-2009, 17:01
Maybe K-tec and GDI could help him and you, Chris, extract some more power, considering they're leaders in the Renault tuning scene...

:laugh:
It's always worth ringing them and having a word, ive heard they know a thing or 2 about the 5 :coffee:

Nayls
14-05-2009, 17:07
:laugh:
It's always worth ringing them and having a word, ive heard they know a thing or 2 about the 5 :coffee:

i'd love to hear that call!! ring them askin what they reccomend as you're getting very close but cant quite hit 10's

BriC
14-05-2009, 17:24
i'd love to hear that call!! ring them askin what they reccomend as you're getting very close but cant quite hit 10's

And when they asked if they've tried 'x' yet, what the response is.. :laugh:

Brigsy
14-05-2009, 17:38
They would offer you the grp 'a' carb or adjustable tdc sensor :laugh:

Rob@Backyardracing
14-05-2009, 17:41
Lol.... Would love to see ktec build a drag car...:wasntme:

The new Bill J
14-05-2009, 17:48
i'd love to hear that call!! ring them askin what they reccomend as you're getting very close but cant quite hit 10's

:laugh:

I'd LOVE to hear that. I reckon it has potential to beat "wiv da boost" :D

Nayls
14-05-2009, 18:02
:laugh:

I'd LOVE to hear that. I reckon it has potential to beat "wiv da boost" :D

get the "wiv da boost" man to do it!

yo yo yo kirky wassup, iz ringing bout ma ali g machine innit!!

Andrew Cooke
14-05-2009, 18:12
Maybe K-tec and GDI could help him and you, Chris, extract some more power, considering they're leaders in the Renault tuning scene...

I think they said arguably, plenty to argue about there :D

minty83
14-05-2009, 19:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vE7uEI6--I&feature=related
11.1 130.63

Kris M
14-05-2009, 19:56
Awesome. Loving the way he "pats" the dash at the end of the run.......well done girl :D:D

Bass J
14-05-2009, 20:11
Congrats on the time ..just watched the vid ...fookin quick!! :cool::eek:

jesus in the seat of a 5
14-05-2009, 20:13
Awesome. Loving the way he "pats" the dash at the end of the run.......well done girl :D:D

:agree:..i do that when ole nicole makes it to germany an the ring...again, feck me that run was fantastic , lets hope krissey m pulls one just like it with me an all the camping gear in the car @ the pod soon...:laugh:

Kris M
14-05-2009, 20:17
Ha, dont forget Dawns bottle of skittles vodca rolling around in the back :D.

Matt Cole
14-05-2009, 22:10
that is just awesome!! So what are we going to do about reclaiming the title? Im wondering if that car will get into the 10's??

Markey Mark (BD)
14-05-2009, 22:17
Im wondering if that car will get into the 10's??

I recon it could, if he found abit more traction i recon it'll dip into the 10's, you can here it spin on the way up.

Wonder how much Nos is running through the engine, i had a chat with Turbo Ted tonight who saw the Nos set up on it and it sounds abit special

Scoff
14-05-2009, 22:33
That is certainly a 10second car with real drag slicks on, maybe even 10.8 with his trap speed.

Stuart might be able to beat gianni's ET but I don't think anyone with a c1j is likely to get close to gianni's trap speed though, that is just outstanding.

Os8472
14-05-2009, 22:40
Awesome. Loving the way he "pats" the dash at the end of the run.......well done girl :D:D

I do that every time I race, dunno why just seems right:D

Rob@Backyardracing
14-05-2009, 23:02
Do you think 450hp is a little to high to state? ok awsome car etc etc hands down to the guy but 450 seems a bit high for 130mph??? mind you its spinning all way down too..

Defo a 10s car there. 1.9 60ft he did, bring that to a 1.6 sit nicely in a 10 there.... :smokin:

Scoff
14-05-2009, 23:04
1.97, call it 2.0 60', so easilly knock 0.3sec off the ET with better traction. 450hp seems a bit ott, 400hp+ though to make 131mph.

Rob@Backyardracing
14-05-2009, 23:08
Lets get him back to pod, ill lend him some rubber to rip up..... :D yeah 400 seems a better statement.... whats it matter tho hay.... its haulinggggggggggg.....:agree:

Matt Cole
14-05-2009, 23:13
How come scoff? At the end of the day unless he knows something we dont in terms of tuning the cij, i think some one needs to have a crack at it!:)

Matt Cole
14-05-2009, 23:16
Do we have any info on his setup too?

Scoff
14-05-2009, 23:29
How come scoff? At the end of the day unless he knows something we dont in terms of tuning the cij, i think some one needs to have a crack at it!:)

Thats just it, he does, no question about it! That engine is the result of countless hours trial and error, I don't know a single person that is prepared to put the effort in that those guys have done. You need to meet them, see their setup to know what I mean. He tells me he's been tuning that car for 20yrs. Not really a case of having a crack mate, it's a case of devoting all of your time and effort to an 8v ohv until you've got it to do what you wanted it to. Don't hold your breath, that trap won't be beaten for a while !!

Stuart Clark
14-05-2009, 23:32
Wow!!!!! :):agree: Awesome stuff.

Crikey, got something to aim at now lol (what do ya reckon scoff??)

Mucho congrats to Gianni, fantastic run. Scoff, not sure if you have found it but i have ran higher traps (max 125) but at much lower ET's. I have used the theory of reducing 60ft times or increasing power etc and it seemingly doesnt work out like it should. At York i find i can run 123-125 traps no prob but have only ever managed 2 11.4's and they were at 120 and 121.

Can't wait for the 29th..................scarily since fitting the nos i too have clutch issues even though i now run twin 7 1/2 inch rally copper solid 6 mm plates with ally cover :eek:

Defo praying for good weather at the end of the month.......doo or die for my little red 5 i reckon (well at least do or die for my wallet lol);)

Stuart Clark
14-05-2009, 23:39
Pic for ya scoff

Scoff
14-05-2009, 23:40
well done with the 125mph's stu, I didn't know :cool: your the only person that's anywhere near that level with a c1j. I suspect gianni's secret might be good exhaust breathing, large exhaust valves, nice manifold and so on. something is certainly helping that gas to work very well.

Stuart Clark
14-05-2009, 23:45
cheers
you could well be right, in my experience working with just 1397cc i have had to keep the gases flowing as fast as poss and have therefore retained moderate exhaust mods and kept the original valves turbine sizing i believe is the key for me and making sure it compliments the cam profile...

Stuart Clark
14-05-2009, 23:48
ps i have managed a 123.9 at pod the last time i ran but that put in a 11.5......
due to having more track time i am going to try and lean out on the fuel side of the nos as it is running very rich as i have been playing it safe and me not be getting the max out of the nos at the mo?

Dave Reed
15-05-2009, 01:59
yep fantastic time by Gianni I always new that car would be very quick at pod......... Sounds like he is only in 4th at the end of that run?? mind if he's revving to 8k I guess it would do it? I no I have to use all 5 gears in mine and that's just to get a 122 mph trap lol.

O well can only but try on the 29th lol :D

Matt Cole
15-05-2009, 09:22
Thats the spirit Stu!!! More gas! lol

TommyB
15-05-2009, 20:02
Gianni has two foggers on his car, i believe he was spraying around 120hp of nitrous.You can hear a system come on when he hits 2nd gear,because it starts spinning the wheels.

Thats my arse hanging out of the mini in the return road, I think we should raise some funds to get Gianni over to run some 10's.
I did tell the team about the end of month gathering.

Stuart Clark
15-05-2009, 22:56
Cool, i am running a full wet 4x injector system with just 25 bhp jets so the system can easily handle more gas, the question is whether the rest of it can!?!
I have trapped at 125 but with poorer et's with nos, this is possibly highlighting some possible over fuelling at some point through the rev range and as i use 3 gears for 123 need a good curve of useable power. If the gearbox and shafts can take a more fierce launch and i can lean out the nos a bit in theory i could go quicker, i am seeing 101 at the 1/8 so feel slotting 4th with a tad more nos might do the trick?
What am i thinking, i have been trying to crack the 10's since i did the 11.4 back in 2005.........................
Oh well, here goes....i am going to throw everything at it for the 29th, be great if Gianni is there, would love a head to head with scoff again and defo against gianni, may the most reliable man win lol :)

Mart
16-05-2009, 09:43
If Gianni makes the effort to come over, and given how much his/his car's appearance would help boost interest on the day, it wouldn't be a bad idea for the club to give him a freebie entry/run ticket, imho.

Has anyone (from the Committee) contacted Gianni to see if he would be interested?

Stu Clark, Scoff, Gianni all gunning for that first elusive 10sec' pass is somewhat of a mouthwatering prospect, and for it to happen at an RTOC event...! :cool: :)

Just need to kick Andy Cooke's ass out of 1/4 mile retirement now... ;)

Adey aka Ewok
16-05-2009, 10:22
+1 :agree:

TommyB
16-05-2009, 11:10
Im 100% sure they wont be over,the drive is way to long for them.Plus they save the car and engine for 'King of Europe' events.

We offered to let them keep the motorhome and trailor at our yard (20mins) from santa pod but they just wanted to get everything home.

Maybe next year we can sort an event which they could make.

Stuart, i have a very nice nitrous programme on my laptop which makes the nitrous tuning easyer, I'm using 28hp through 1 fogger with a N/F ratio of 6.7 Could it be any use for you on the day to put your figures in?

I will have the jet drills to hand!!!

sphinX
16-05-2009, 16:43
Santa pod is going to be awesome :D My first big even with the club...can't wait !!

Markey Mark (BD)
16-05-2009, 17:10
Sounds like everyone is going all out for the 'Pod Day', sod it i may aswell with the mini set her up for as much as she'll put out and see how we go:D

I'm sure someone could crack a 10 on the day if the weather is good.

Adey aka Ewok
16-05-2009, 17:29
yeah man, proper excited about going to pod now, just for the sake of seeing a renault do a 10. used to go there alot but haven been since the last rtoc @pod day, got a personal best to beat too, bring on the beers and bbq's

Ashy
16-05-2009, 17:47
got a personal best to beat too, bring on the beers and bbq's

Amen to that... 13.5 @109.87 to beat for me :)

Which I did in 2004!!!

Adey aka Ewok
16-05-2009, 17:49
madness, ill be happy with a 13.5, my fastest fwd car was a 13.9 @ 102 so gota beat that. guna get no where near my 12.6 @ 118 that the 200 pulled

i l k e r
16-05-2009, 19:18
Just need to kick Andy Cooke's ass out of 1/4 mile retirement now... ;)


pah, he is already aiming for 9s with the Twingo I bet :wasntme:

Andrew Cooke
16-05-2009, 19:46
pah, he is already aiming for 9s with the Twingo I bet :wasntme:

lol, I'll be happy with 14s with that :) I wonder how deep into the 90s it'll go, if at all.

Apparently the 5 manifold has been repaired, it's been kicking around under various benches for a couple of years. I might put the engine back together when it gets here.

Ricardo
16-05-2009, 19:51
madness, ill be happy with a 13.5, my fastest fwd car was a 13.9 @ 102 so gota beat that. guna get no where near my 12.6 @ 118 that the 200 pulled


I hit 13.9@102 last year, was totally ecstatic i hit the 13s, albeit .9 i couldn't believe i cracked into it. Maybe not a big feat in some peoples eyes as 12s seemed so the norm but for me it meant a lot :)

Adey aka Ewok
16-05-2009, 19:51
think the 5 will run a 10 when put back together?

i l k e r
16-05-2009, 19:53
I might put the engine back together when it gets here.

please do, I'm more excited than you to see what it will do with the new setup :smokin:

Andrew Cooke
16-05-2009, 20:00
think the 5 will run a 10 when put back together?

no, I'm not looking to increase power, just the power band and driveability. I know what to do to put it in the 10's (bigger turbo, 2 bar boost), but the engine won't be suitable for hillclimbing. If I run again at the pod it won't be on drag tyres, so don't expect it to run better than a 12.

Adey aka Ewok
16-05-2009, 20:12
cool man, let me know when your hitting the hills again and ill come spectate at the local venue

Mart
16-05-2009, 20:30
Im 100% sure they wont be over,the drive is way to long for them.Plus they save the car and engine for 'King of Europe' events.

We offered to let them keep the motorhome and trailor at our yard (20mins) from santa pod but they just wanted to get everything home.

That's a shame, and likewise that they aren't members on here.

Scoff
16-05-2009, 20:46
If any of you guys (tommy ?) has additional information that I can include in Gianni's 1/4m table entry then please let me know :cool:

Matt Cole
16-05-2009, 21:12
I cant stop watching giannis run!! Almost makes me want to ditch all the crap out of my car and tune the 225 lump up for drag!!:D:D

Matt Cole
16-05-2009, 21:16
no, I'm not looking to increase power, just the power band and driveability. I know what to do to put it in the 10's (bigger turbo, 2 bar boost), but the engine won't be suitable for hillclimbing. If I run again at the pod it won't be on drag tyres, so don't expect it to run better than a 12.

Andrew, you cant dangle the carrot with words like that and then say its not going to happen!!:scared: I know drag racing aint your bag but if you have the knowledge and the kit to get that thing into the 10's then DO IT!!!:agree:

Tooks
16-05-2009, 22:01
New poster! (less than 10 posts)

dont think i will bother racing my car engine pritty much standard dont want to get piss taken out of me :)

Markey Mark (BD)
16-05-2009, 23:18
If I run again at the pod it won't be on drag tyres, so don't expect it to run better than a 12.

If you fancy using your old drag slicks for a few goes mate your more than welcome as i have them now (believe there your old ones:D)

Andrew Cooke
16-05-2009, 23:32
If you fancy using your old drag slicks for a few goes mate your more than welcome as i have them now (believe there your old ones:D)

those slicks are such tarts :) Got them off Scoff then?

They won't go over my new brakes, I'd need 15s, plus I don't want to risk my new gearbox, it was a bit expensive...

Adey aka Ewok
16-05-2009, 23:42
anyone wana bring some 15 inch drag slicks with them? ;););););)

Markey Mark (BD)
16-05-2009, 23:44
those slicks are such tarts :) Got them off Scoff then?

They won't go over my new brakes, I'd need 15s, plus I don't want to risk my new gearbox, it was a bit expensive...

Yeah got them off Scoff mate, should do me a treat.:)

Andrew Cooke
16-05-2009, 23:54
Yeah got them off Scoff mate, should do me a treat.:)

should do, I had to limit boost in 1st (dumping the clutch at 6500rpm), but in 2nd gear they took the lot :D

Rob@Backyardracing
17-05-2009, 01:20
pah, don`t you know all the cool kids run at least 24.5" these days ;)

Andrew Cooke
17-05-2009, 01:22
pah, don`t you know all the cool kids run at least 24.5" these days ;)

pah, I'm running 31" :cooter:

Nayls
17-05-2009, 10:05
I've never done the 1/4 before!

what's an ok time to get on your 1st run? with road tyres

Nayls
17-05-2009, 10:06
New poster! (less than 10 posts)

dont think i will bother racing my car engine pritty much standard dont want to get piss taken out of me :)

dont worry mate,go up against me,i've never done it before :)

Adey aka Ewok
17-05-2009, 10:18
your only really racing yourself, i remember my first time, i ran a 1.2 clio up loi, i usually set myself a target and go from there anyway

Maka
17-05-2009, 10:35
ill be happy to get mine up the strip without anything falling off or flying out the bonnet.

looking forward to seeing everyone nuke their motors. im bringing the tow rope to drag mine home! definatly in the do or die mood with the car currently.

Big Steve - Raider
17-05-2009, 11:14
I've never done the 1/4 before!

what's an ok time to get on your 1st run? with road tyres

Anything under 16 seconds.

J$£5GTT
17-05-2009, 19:31
Awesome. Loving the way he "pats" the dash at the end of the run.......well done girl :D:D

:agree::cool:

jaffa
17-05-2009, 21:06
anyone wana bring some 15 inch drag slicks with them? ;););););)

i believe they will be some available for use...just ask nicely :)


AND BRING SOME FECKING BEERS IT MIGHT HELP LOL

Adey aka Ewok
17-05-2009, 21:07
star man, what beer do you drink ?

Ashy
17-05-2009, 21:38
star man, what beer do you drink ?

He's not fussy, he'll drink whatever anyone brings! :cooter:

Adey aka Ewok
17-05-2009, 21:41
pims o'clock:agree: